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01:42 AM
Wait longer, IW, before claiming victory. Maybe 10% of all-time CoD4 PC gamers bought it first week.
I'm not a frog and you're not a bunny, so let's not jump ahead. Let's wait for a couple of months to really start comparing numbers
12:55 AM
12:53 AM
Or they're saying the first week of MW2 was better than COD4 on PC which is a way of reading it. Either way it's either complete bullshit or complete bullshit and damage control.
12:45 AM
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12:55 AM
I'd also like to point out a couple of things regarding the infamous Steam Boycott group:
1. That at the time the screenshot was taken the group was set to be open to anyone; allowing those who wished to mess with the boycott group to join with inpunity.
2. That at the time the screenshot was taken the admin of the group was not aware of what was going on until myself and others brought it to their attention.
3. That said boycott group has since then kicked every single person who was playing and set the group to invite only. And they have also made it clear that anyone caught going forward WILL be kicked.
So, the cheap shots going forward really need to stop. To keep harping on it and using them as a scapegoat is not only unreasonable but unfair especially considering the steps that were taken since it happened.
12:40 AM
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12:45 AM
If Valve set the prices, you only need to look at Valves past release history to see that they wouldn't fuck over the consumer with the price gouging that Activision is doing.
11/20/09
If this is the case then they should totally ban every PS3 and 360 owner who got their copy for £26 in Sainsbury's... Dicks.
11/20/09
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11/20/09
I wonder if having the disc is part of an license agreement or whatever when you buy it off steam? I don't own that version of MW2 so I'm curious.
11/20/09
Activision and Valve know who can and cannot sell their product. If they say that G2Play.net is not allowed to sell their product, they have the right to block that product from working. Why?
Because it's in their damn Terms of Service. Duh. With a proper ToS they can do this all they want and it's perfectly legal for them to do it. Dumb complainers and dumb key-resellers (who usually steal their keys anyway) are dumb.
11/20/09
Let's change the perspective here, I think only a dumb fool would bend over for such an easy reaming.
Good thing I also know legalese in parallel importation laws, and also how to operate VPNS. Still, gotta love services that allow remote cancellation of licenses for consumers whom atleast try to pay (albeit less).
11/20/09
Oh and don't get me started on the price gouging dependent on region. All kinds of fucked up going on there...
11/20/09
11/20/09
That's like saying it's OK to just keep a tricycle that a bully stole and sold to you, because you didn't know the bully stole it. It's called fraud and pretty much everyone gets screwed somehow in the process.
11/20/09
I must be missing something. Because that doesn't exactly seem like a good way to get someone to pay YOU for the game- forcing them to buy it twice to play it...
11/20/09
Valve's games are, at least, region locked. If you leave the country then you can't play it anymore, or at least that's what they said years ago.
11/20/09
They have no right to ban people for that. That's utter bullshit! That's the equivalent of breaking into my house and smashing my copy of Sonic Adventure because I bought it from a guy in hong kong.
I bought it, it's a legal copy, and it's mine. Screw that.
11/20/09
I mean, the people who at least made the attempt to buy something are the ones being banned. Does that not seem backwards to anyone else?
Whereas, the pirates who paid NOTHING are actively enjoying multiplayer fun. What. the. hell are they (Activision) thinking?
11/20/09
Regions are bullshit. They are protectionist relics for a business model that refuses to change.
11/20/09
That's a "I don't want to support these people" situation but valve is so popular they can pull that kind of crap and there will be no noticable consequences.
Unless, like, they decide to class-action them. But even then, I don't know if they legally have a case, though I'd think they would.
11/20/09
11/20/09
What about the guy who bought games in his home country for others, and their copies got banned? Is eh "no better than a pirate"?
You can't do that. Businesses cannot punish you because you bought their product in a place it was cheaper.
#speakup
11/20/09
You can't honestly be surprised that when you fuck them over, they fuck you right back?
Edit: Your argument would stand some ground if you were one of the people who just so happened to buy his copy while he was in a foreign country, then flew back with it. As it stands, you're just a whiny idiot that got exactly what was coming to him.
11/20/09
What kind of retarded company BANS PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THEIR GAME? That's not going to get them any extra sales! It's pathetic!
Again, what about imports? What the hell would you do if a company barged into your house and shattered the disc of a game you imported? Would you go "Oh, I shouldn't have bought it at a cheaper price despite it being legal as hell to do so, even if the shop I got it from wasn't supposed to sell it and is in the wrong instead of me"? Hell no you wouldn't!
11/20/09
And like I edited into my earlier post, your argument might stand some ground if you actually bought it yourself while in a foreign country, and then moved here with it, but that's not the case.
11/20/09
11/20/09
Well, then you'd have a legitimate complaint. But as others in the comments have said, this isn't just Valve getting pissed off and banning people, this was at the request of Activision.
As for them shutting down, they've said before that they'd release a patch of some kind to make the games work without Steam, or make Steam work without the Valve servers (though it already kind of does). And besides, it's not like they'll be going out of business any time soon.
@Mancomb: lol fair enough.
11/20/09
11/20/09
I mean, you do have a point, digital sales do have their risks. Who's to say someone else won't release some super awesome game platform that puts Steam out of business? It could happen. It's just a point of weighing the benefits and the risks.
11/20/09
Oh, and about your statement that this was all Activision's idea: Valve did the same thing two years ago with Team Fortress 2 ( [www.eurogamer.net] ) .
11/20/09
11/20/09
Yes, there are risks, but there are risks in everything. You could just as easily lose your whole physical game collection in a fire or something. It's not like I'm investing money in a scam or something.
Also, I'm not stupid enough to do something like hack in a multiplayer game, or play pirated games through Steam, so I think I'm safe in betting that Valve won't go completely off their rockers and start arbitrarily banning people's accounts.
@Chrisyoung001: Read my comments. I've said several times that the people who actually go to foreign countries and buy the game, then bring them back, have a perfectly valid reason to be upset by this. It's the cheapskates I have a problem with.
#speakup
11/20/09