The YouTube video, which comes off a little condescending, says that closed and spam accounts don’t count toward subscriber numbers. But YouTube isn’t unsubscribing spam accounts. Accounts that YouTube has flagged as bots are still getting videos in their subs feed. And those videos appear in the subs feed, on average, 30 seconds after they’re posted. This line of reasoning, commenters allege, evades the question of why meat-based humans widely report being automatically unsubscribed or not seeing videos from their favorite content creators.

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YouTube directs them to the app’s feedback button. Comments under the new video are scathing:

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YouTubers have directly forwarded me several messages from their subscribers alleging they’ve been unsubscribed. They’ve also forwarded charts describing wildly erratic changes in subscriber counts. The evidence is out there that something is up—and even if something isn’t up, YouTube should be able to explain to its content creators why their channels are suffering.