Some game developers and publishers did try to make accommodations for enthused newcomers—especially as the days wore on and they realized what they were dealing with—but those efforts were inconsistent at best. For every instance of Nintendo ensuring that wait times were semi-manageable or Call of Duty bringing in a fake drill sergeant to keep people entertained while they waited, there was a six hour-long line outside Bethesda’s elaborate diner-themed booth or a demo that was over in a fraction of the time people waited to play it.

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“I’m a Sonic veteran,” one attendee wearing a Sonic t-shirt told me. “I finished the levels in Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces in a minute and a half. So I waited an hour and a half for a minute and 30 seconds [of play time].” Others described similar letdowns, telling me of four-hour Call of Duty lines and day-long waits that culminated in the show floor closing before they ever got to play.

At one point, I saw a professional camera crew for a news outlet almost running straight intoa yodeling streamer with a selfie stick and a guitar. (It was the most E3 2017 moment of E3 2017.) People are interacting with games in more ways than ever, and the industry side of the gaming industry is having trouble keeping up. Video game companies and the ESA want those people involved, but they seem to know what to do with them or where to put them.

That same awkwardness expressed itself during the weekend press conferences. Where once E3 shows were characterized by stuffy execs rattling off marketing buzzwords, this year we saw companies like EA, Microsoft, and Ubisoft trot out YouTubers, streamers, and esports-style presentations with mixed results. Industry folks snarked it up about EA’s awkward YouTuber and Microsoft’s jarring, colorful-shirt clad esports yellers, and even popular YouTuber Jesse Cox said he felt “gross” about companies using players’ clips in press conferences.

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Good streams and esports events rely on genuine excitement that’s very hard to manufacture in the midst of a marketing event. Watching people halfheartedly feign it rings even more hollow than boring-ass men in suits talking like they’re giving Power Point presentations. Most attempts at manufactured excitement also failed to match a handful of genuine displays of emotion. Ubisoft developer Michel Ancel wept when he introduced Beyond Good and Evil 2, and Davide Soliani started tearing up when Shigeru Miyamoto spoke on stage about their collaboration to create Mario + Rabbids. It was heartwarming, but it also served to drive home just how insincere some of the other moments that shared the same stage had been. E3 will probably never be a show about celebrating art for art’s sake or the triumph of the human spirit, but even when companies are out peddling products with a million Mardi Gras’ worth of glitz and glamor, it’s still people who made those products.

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One thing many fans cited as an upside of this year’s E3: they got real face time with developers. They got to meet the people behind their favorite games, even if it was during business hours for some of those developers. “I like to talk to people, especially developers,” said an attendee named Kevin Song. “A lot of the developers at booths are pretty talkative and friendly, so it’s easy to learn about their mindset, the development process of the game, and what their intent was. Usually as a consumer, all you see is the outcome. You don’t get to see what led to it.”

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Developers I spoke to—while not always thrilled that they had to wade through seas of people—echoed that sentiment, saying that fans’ flood of fresh enthusiasm was contagious. After years of attending E3, it’s easy to walk in and immediately feel tired and jaded. But when you’ve got people acting like they’re at Disney World and you’re a damn wizard, it’s hard to stay cynical. “I think there’s always an energy that comes when people get to interact directly with your game,” said Johnnemann Nordhagen, a developer who helped make Gone Home and is now working on folk-tale game Where The Water Tastes Like Wine. He also noted that this year’s increased floor traffic pushed more attendees toward indie games, which often get passed over at E3. “It’s really cool when people see a game they’d never have come across, and then they’re incredibly enthusiastic about it,” he said.

2017 found E3 in an an awkward pose , with one foot still in the business world and another clumsily lurching toward fans. Organizationally, it was a mess. In all likelihood, it will continue to change as the ESA struggles to keep it relevant in a time when it’s less and less necessary for companies to spend millions of dollars just to compete with other companies for the attention of media and organizations they’ll get attention from anyway. If this year is anything to go by, the transition will not be graceful. But while I spoke to a handful of fans who said they got their fill of this gangly new E3 and probably won’t be returning next year, others told me they had a fantastic time despite a little grumpiness and a lot of waiting. One person even told me they had stopped playing video games, but coming to E3 with a friend got them interested again. Everyone I talked to agreed on one thing, though: they hope the show is less crowded next time.