Dream Daddy Creators Explain Why You Can’t Smooch All The Dads

Image credit: Dream Daddy.
Image credit: Dream Daddy.
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In most dating sims, you can rest assured that if you pour time and effort into winning a character’s affections, you’ll have the option of ending up with them. In dad-tastic dating sim Dream Daddy, however, that’s not always the case—a fact that’s made some players upset. I recently spoke with creators Leighton Gray and Vernon Shaw about that.

Warning: Dream Daddy spoilers ahead.

Dream Daddy is a game in which you’re a single dad trying to juggle raising your teenage daughter and going on a series of “dates” with other dads. When it came out last week, players were confused as to why they couldn’t get Joseph, the cool youth minister dad, to get with them even after they did everything right. Joseph, the only blushing, doe-eyed dad in the game who’s not single, has a wife, Mary, but their relationship is on the rocks. Mary seems to be cheating on him. As the new hot dad on the block, your character can flirt away multiple days with Joseph in hopes of winning him over. Gray and Shaw, however, didn’t want to tell a story where the player character helps end a marriage. It didn’t feel right to them.


“Ultimately, there is no traditionally ‘good’ ending with [Joseph],” Gray said to me over the phone. “No matter what you do, he’s gonna stay with Mary. Same with [bad boy dad] Robert. Your ‘good’ ending with him is that he’s like, ‘I need to work on myself before I can be in a relationship with anybody.’ I think that’s more true to life than showing that you liking somebody will be enough for this to work.”

Shaw added that while Dream Daddy plays off dating sim tropes like “good” endings and “bad” endings, the dev team also wanted to subvert them. So while most dating sims make your feelings paramount—allowing you to crowbar your way into just about any relationship—the goal of Dream Daddy was to put players on equal emotional footing with the characters they’d be dating. That meant creating a couple of characters you could go on dates with, but not smooch in the end. “It shouldn’t necessarily be about ‘woo-hoo-ing’ everybody,” said Shaw, referring to The Sims’ term for video game sex. “Saying exactly what somebody wants to hear until they kiss you is what a sociopath does.”

Gray admitted that she was surprised by how many people were vocally upset about Joseph’s ending. Joseph’s wife Mary, Gray explained, was intended to come off as a crappy person during Joseph’s story, but you’re meant learn about her more redeeming qualities in bits and pieces throughout other dads’ stories. Taken as a whole, their portrayal of her character was intended to get players thinking about how they play dating sims.


“[The goal] was to get people to analyze why they’d villainize her when, in reality, if you’re dating Joseph, you’re not exactly doing so hot yourself—and how her potentially cheating justifies you doing things with Joseph,” said Gray. “I’m surprised, because I thought the discourse about that path would be like, ‘This feels morally dubious and bad,’ because you’re essentially trying to break up a marriage. I’m surprised that so many people have been like, ‘Why can’t we be together?’”

Disclosure: a friend of mine, Jared Rosen, contributed some writing to Dream Daddy.


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I get this, and it sounds like a good basis to make a game or any genre product—treat conventions as audience expectations and not rules, and play with them—but without getting too worked up, I can imagine being upset over this as well. It is called “Dream Daddy” after all, not “Realistic Daddy Dating.” I haven’t played it admittedly, but I don’t see a diversity of body types really, so it’s not certainly not signally convention-breaking that way.

A few years ago (I’m old enough that that may mean more than a decade ago) there was there was Silver Surfer run that angled it from what common non-superhumans would think of a creature like that appearing. The character has always had a new agey appeal, and it’s kind of a fascinating germ for a take. I started reading it, and I think the Silver Surfer didn’t appear till issue 4? Who can remember, it was a while ago. So on the one hand, interesting take. On the other hand, it was called Silver Surfer and I wanted more Silver Surfer.

Weirdly, I think they could’ve actually gone more exagerrated, “Hot Dads Dating” and that might’ve upped the contrast and made their intended depiction more explicit.