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With folks self-isolating and social-distancing, relationships are suffering under the strain⊠and some people are discovering that theyâre quarantined with the wrong people entirely. How do you recognize when someoneâs using their mental health issues as a way to excuse their toxic, abusive behavior? What if youâre worried that leaving might literally kill them? How do you tell if your crush is stringing you along, especially when youâre just starting to get over them? And how do you know if your new relationship is for real, or just a rebound?
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Dear Dr. NerdLove,
I fear I am âstuckâ in an abusive relationship, and Iâm scared to get out.
My partner has extreme (and untreated) anxiety, depression, and an unbelievable amount of insecurity that makes her jealous, petty, confrontational, and not-at-all trusting. Sheâs come from a rough past, with abuse, and despite it, or maybe in spite of it, has achieved great, great things professionally.
Iâm no stranger to mental illness myself. I have suffered from depression my entire adult life, but after a particularly bad period which ended up with a suicide attempt, followed by a divorce, Iâm in a much better place. A lot of therapy/counseling, and well regulated medication seem to be holding the demons at bay.
I feel like I know my own shit, and I can certainly empathize with her shit. Weâve been together less than a year, and Iâm at the point where my fight or flight response is teeter-tottering back and forth faster than I can handle.
There are good days, and bad days. Of course, I will say that she has amazing qualities that I like very much, but I have to admit – Iâm burned out.
I admitted to myself today that I am afraid of talking to my girlfriend. Afraid if I donât say the exactly perfect thing, I am going to set her off and then âwell here we go againâ I spend the next 24-72 hours in full retreat, apologizing for slights that didnât happen, defending positions I never had, and fumbling over remembering and explaining words I never spoke (or at this point, donât even know my ass from my elbow as I get in full panic mode.)
Itâs exhausting.
If I am not perfect, say and do exactly the right things, I certainly hear about it. I have no room for error, and I donât make the big âerrorsâ – I am not excusing bad behavior on my part – I have no bad behavior! My now ex wife told me that the #1 reason she married me was because she knew I wouldnât cheat on her. So I guess thatâs my #1 quality – Iâm a loyal dog. Beat me (emotionally) and Iâll come whimpering to you seeking forgiveness like it was my fault.
On my ex, she never in nearly a decade actually, sincerely apologized to me for anything. I always felt at fault, I wasnât âallowedâ to get mad or upset, because it would turn around and all be my fault and if I wanted to âfixâ things I had to suck it up and be the bigger person. I told myself I would never allow someone to treat me like that again. Yet, here I am, still the whipping boy.
My girlfriendâs in a very high stress and incredibly demanding period of her professional career, and that certainly escalates the issues. Sheâs always tired, always in a bad mood, always over worked and over stressed, always full of anxiety and sheer panic over the volume of shit on her to do list that never gets smaller. She canât control that. Thatâs not her fault and I donât blame her for it. I donât think she tries to take it out on me, if anything I try and be the calm ânormalâ in that world of crazy, and offer her a refuge and ear to listen and shoulder to cry on.
Which is part of the problem for me, Iâve convinced myself that âthis isnât really herâ and that once this phase is over, sheâll be better, sheâll be less beaten down and we can have far more happy days than bad ones. I am more so every day believing this to be false – this is just who she is.
Iâve read several of your columns and blogs, includingâis my wife emotionally abusiveâ and âlabeling women crazyâ and âinvisible victims: men in abusive relationshipsâ and I definitely see the signs.
I know I am a fairly âwokeâ person. I am not the typical macho-bro, hell I couldnât be farther from that as an ultra-sensitive introvert geek myself (hence Kotaku). I certainly had a bit of a dude-bro spell in my college years, and I still like to get together with my mates and pound a few tasty alcoholic beverages and watch sportsball, play golf, etc. but Iâve always kind of felt like a pretender. Itâs fun, Iâve had some great times and great memories, but Iâve always been happiest gaming online with friends or sitting around a table and playing D&D.
I also know as you say in âOn Labeling Women Crazyâ I âgrew up in a world where certain attitudes towards women were just âthe way things wereâ and we absorbed them without thinking about them.â As such, I canât help but feel like she is over thinking, exaggerating, playing the victim… acting crazy. I try and give her feelings credit, to not invalidate them, but itâs SO hard to understand her position and perspective when it makes no goddamn sense, and I know for a fact that the situation is not as she has twisted it to be. I know that is her anxiety, her depression, that is poisoning her own thoughts against her. I know what it feels like when your brain is acting against you. Like the devil on your shoulder has gagged the angel on the other, so the only whispers you are getting are evil ones.
Her insecurity and jealousy make me check in constantly, not that she asks me to, but because I know if I donât sheâll start creating a mental picture where âbecause I havenât texted back in 30 minutes, I must be with another woman.â
I am afraid, actually afraid to run into a random woman in the elevator and for her to say âgood morningâ to me, because I know I am a nice/friendly person and I will say âgood morningâ back… and then I can either lie to my girlfriend and tell her âno, I didnât have any completely innocent and random awkward elevator exchanges with total strangers just being normally socially politeâ or, door # 2 is I get 50 questions and by God if I donât answer them all perfectly correctly, well âI must have been attracted to her and I should just leave my girlfriend to be with the random elevator skank instead, maybe SHE wonât care if Iâm âchecking outâ and âflirtingâ with other women all the time.â (Iâm not, I may be as incapable as most men are in knowing when a woman is interested in me, but I know when Iâm flirting and when Iâm not.)
It may sound like an exaggeration, but itâs really not. Writing it out (for the first time I think) makes me feel like Iâm dating a âcrazyâ person. I know sheâs not crazy, sheâs hurting. She needs help. Iâve told her this, because I feel like I know and I finally got help after it was almost too late for me. She wonât admit she has a problem. Well, she will admit she has anxiety and depression, but she wonât do anything about it. Itâs never the right time, there is always something more important to do, she canât afford it or make the time… I know I canât lead her out of this. Iâm not trained for this, I donât know how to deal with this, Iâve just barely started to figure out and âcontrolâ my own emotional state after some pretty serious shit in my own life.
I canât be the perfect prince she asks me to be, and I canât live with the guilt and fear and stress she causes me by the fact I donât, and canât, live up to her completely unrealistic expectations.
I also know I shouldnât have to, because I know I am a good person, and itâs taken me so long to get any self confidence…. my girlfriend shouldnât be the one making me doubt myself and hate myself all over again.
Itâs put a wedge between me and my friends, because she doesnât trust them and doesnât trust me when Iâm with them because âthey are those kind of guys who talk about other women all the timeâ and she will go as far as to remind me, every time I mention something about seeing them, that âwell I get so anxious and start thinking of that and this is how it makes me feel…. but Iâm not trying to tell you that you canât hang out with them, just telling you what it does to me.â Talk about a guilt trip. Iâm supposed to what, go out with my friends and NOT think about the fact sheâs sitting there worried and anxious? Feeling like I have to check in and be on my phone the whole time or Iâll be accused of cheating?
What do I do?
I feel like I am the emotional punching bag, but I am also afraid if I leave sheâs going to kill herself. Iâm also afraid, if I DONâT leave, Iâm going to end up in another bad bout of depression eventually and end up killing myself for real this time, rather than just a half-ass âcry for helpâ attempt like last time.
I canât âfixâ her, I canât fix this situation.. and Iâm dragging myself way, way back down trying to do so. Iâm not even sure I believe in love, and maybe because this is just âhow things areâ with women and if I want to be with someone Iâve just got to take the bad with the good. I feel like it shouldnât be this hard to be happy with someone?
Sincerely,
Guy who is quickly running out of fucks to give
Letâs do the TL;DR first, Guy: yes, this is abuse. No, her having mental disorders doesnât excuse it. Yes, itâs only going to get worse. No, itâs not your fault. Yes, you need to get the fuck out. Like, yesterday
No, seriously, why are you still reading this? Break up with her now. If you live with her, make sure you have a place you can goâa friendâs, your parents (if theyâre not vulnerable to COVID-19), somewhereâand run like all of hell and half of Hoboken were after you.
Hereâs the thing: the fact that she has a mental illnessâor severalâdoesnât give her a license to treat you like shit. Yeah, she may have chemical or emotional issues that make life difficult for her and bring out all the worst aspects of her, but that doesnât change the fact that sheâs abusing you. You know as well as I do what depression does: it drips poison in your ear, whispers all these horrible thoughts to you that are all the more convincing because theyâre coming in your own voice. But depression, anxiety and insecurity donât force you to act out like this. Itâs not as though sheâs out of control of her actions and canât stop herself from treating you like her own personal punching bag.
I mean, letâs be real here. I donât doubt she has issues with her mental health, but if sheâs able to hold down her job without getting fired for treating her boss or her coworkers the way she treats you? Sheâs got some control over this.
In fact, sheâs got enough control that she doesnât directly make demands of you. She just makes it clear that if you donât do what she says or anticipate her moods or manage her anxieties for her, there will be consequences. Maybe this is the excuse that she uses to justify her behavior. Maybe sheâs aware enough to know that if she were to make demands directly, you might have an easier time accepting this for what it is and GTFOâing so hard you leave a human-shaped smoke-cloud behind. It doesnât matter; the results are exactly the same.
And thatâs important. Because what sheâs doing is putting you in a state of hypervigilance, having to always be on your guard. You have to be aware, not just of her moods and emotions, but of anything that might set her off. So even if sheâs not around, youâre still under her control because hey, you know how she gets. Youâre put in the position of being responsible for her emotions and her anxieties.
Just as importantly: sheâs cutting you off from literally everyone else in your life. You canât see your friends because âtheyâre the kind of folks who talk about women all the time.â You canât talk to total strangers because âyou know what that does to her.â Youâre being isolated from everyone in your life, everyone who might support you and tell you âDude, shitâs not cool!â and help give you the support and strength to leave her.
And let me remind you, Guy: isolation and hypervigilance are two of the primary tools in the abuserâs toolbox.
So, for that matter, is the fear of self-harm. Plenty of abusers and toxic people will use the threat of self-harm, implicit or explicit, as a way of keeping their victim under control. Once youâve been made to feel responsible for their mood, for managing their insecurities or anxieties, itâs easy to say âwell, if you do something wrong, I might just hurt myself and it would be all your fault.â Itâs a classic move by abusers and one that transforms the interaction from a relationship to a hostage situation. If you leave, sheâll kill the hostage. Itâs just that sheâs the hostage as well as the terrorist.
But hereâs the thing: none of that is on you. Even if sheâs dealing with extreme emotional distress or mental health, thatâs not your fault, nor is it your responsibility. You canât force her to get better, you canât force her to not be mentally ill, you canât control her moods and you canât fix her. Itâs her responsibility to manage her insecurities, her depression and her anxiety, not yours. Offloading it on youâespecially to the point of harming youâis just an abdication of her responsibilities to herself
And youâre buying into a lot of this. I mean, itâs in the language you use in your own letter. Sheâs not asking you to be âher prince,â sheâs demanding that you be her servant. Thatâs not your job, thatâs not what you signed on for, and itâs not your responsibility.
Your responsibility is to yourself. As the saying goes, youâve got to make sure you have your own oxygen mask on before helping others with theirs. But this isnât about helping her, this is about someone trying to keep you under her thumb, in the most damaging and painful ways possible.
FUCK. THAT. NOISE.
I donât doubt that you care for her. But right now, you need to care for yourself more. You need to love yourself enough to say that enough is enough, shit has gone too far and itâs time for you to do whatâs right for you. You canât love her into being better, but you can sure as fuck love yourself out of this abuse and into a better life.
Thatâs what you need to do, right the hell now. Get out. Dump her by text, then delete her number, block her on every social network youâre on and get the fuck out. Thereâs no debate to be had, no argument to be made; you just need to leave
I know youâre worried that she might hurt herself. If youâre truly afraid of that, then give someoneâher parents, her closest friendsâthe heads up right before you leave. And I do mean right before; send that break-up text the microsecond you tell someone else that she might be in danger of self-harm so that she doesnât have the time to try to brow-beat you into staying. If you canât reach her family, you can leave the number for the suicide hotline with your break-up text. Or a link to an app like BetterHelp.
But, spoiler alert: itâs extremely unlikely that sheâs actually going to hurt or even kill herself. This is just another implied threat, one that she relies on to keep you under control. And if, against all odds, she does harm herself? Thatâs on her. That is not your fault
None of this is your fault. Remember that. Tattoo that backwards on your forehead, so you see it in the mirror every morning. Shave your head if you need the room. This is not your fault
As soon as youâre out of this relationship, itâs time for you to get your ass back into therapy. You need to find a counselor whoâll help you work on establishing and enforcing your boundaries, advocating for your own needs and recognizing your own worth. Youâve got some deep, deep scars, Guy, and youâll need professional help to let them heal.
But that healing canât start until you get the fuck out of this toxic, abusive relationship.
Like the wise man once said: âI may love you, yeah, but I love me more.â Itâs time to love yourself enough to save yourself.
None of this is your fault.
Youâll be ok. Youâre stronger than you realize. You will get out and you will be ok.
All will be well.
Dear Dr. NerdLove,
I am finding myself in some predicament, and as your advice is always brutally honest, to the point and causes me to reconsider my initial reaction to readersâ stories quite often, I decided to ask for your help.
My last relationship was pretty great. Though I donât usually agree with the clichĂ©, that guy motivated me to implement some very positive change in my life (e.g. less stress, better dealing with emotions, healthy eating, sports etc.). If I am to believe him, I did the same for him. We werenât together for all that long, about 9 months, but I was really thinking it would last a damn long time. I loved, gave it my all, and felt loved in return. Except apparently I wasnât, so last July he broke up with me for not feeling enough.
Unsurprisingly that broke me, I cut contact for a while, then found myself obsessing over him all the more so decided to hang out with him again, instead of forcing myself not to. At first as fwb, but thatâs not happening anymore. Slowly Iâve been processing shit and just enjoying his company as a human being rather than my human being. I did hold out hope for a long time though, that maybe someday. But that seems to have disappeared as I recently started dating someone else.
I havenât told Mr. Ex about the dating yet, am planning to when I am a bit more sure about that (weâve only really recently started dating). Also I see the ex quite often, we still do sports together. And no; there is nobody else I can rely on for that, Iâve tried. Also I donât think itâs necessarily bad to do that with my ex, as long as I am not doing it to just be close to him or stay on his mind or whatever.
My issue is; I am awfully terribly scared that itâll all be great and then suddenly Iâll find out I wasnât ready for this after all, using the new guy as a rebound or whatever. Certainly not doing that on purpose, but how do you know? Is there any way to figure out if I am actually over Mr. Ex, and not being a shithead to Mr. New? And to myself of course, cause messing around with my own feelings isnât exactly kind to me either. The only way Iâve caught myself comparing them is whether my family/friends will adore Mr. New as much as they did Mr. Ex.
So here I am, hoping you can shed some light on this situation. Thanks in advance, Doc.
Kind regards,
Miss Confused
Yâknow, MC, a lot of folks misunderstand why I tell people that they need to take the nuclear option in the wake of a break upâunfriending and unfollowing their ex on social media, deleting their number, killfiling their emails, etc. Itâs not because itâs a case of âwe broke up AND SO NOW YOUâRE DEAD TO ME!â Itâs because you canât heal the wound cleanly when youâre still picking at the scab. Trying to be friends too soon after a break-up tends to lead to emotional self-harm instead; what you think of as trying to be âjust friendsâ is, in effect, an attempt to backdoor your way into a de-facto relationship. This, incidentally, includes friends-with-benefits relationships. While thereâre definitely couples who could transition from the two smoothly and without complications, theyâre few and far between. And honestly? It doesnât sound to me like youâre there.
How do I know? Well, first thereâs the trying to make the FWB relationship work and the rationalization that heâs the only person you know anywhere, ever, who likes sports like you do. And then thereâs the fact that you havenât told your ex about the new guy. Not that youâre dating Mr. New specifically, but that youâre dating at all. How many of your friends know that youâre back on the market? How many of them know youâre seeing somebody and itâs pretty promising so far? Iâm guessing that at least some of them do.
Now ask yourself: why do they get to know, but Mr. Ex doesnât? Because it ainât to spare his feelingsâheâs the one who dumped you, after all. Iâm guessing because you know that once you tell Mr. Ex that thereâs somebody new, the dream that maybe, maybe things can go back to the way they were will come to a screeching halt.
I think thatâs the bigger concern here, not whether or not this new guy is just a rebound. Thereâs nothing wrong with dating this new guy casually, especially as youâre trying to get over your ex. In fact, I recommend it; part of why we have a hard time getting over our exes is because love isnât just emotional, itâs chemical. Our brains generate oxytocin by being with our partners, and when we break up with them, weâre left high and dry without our supply. Our oxytocin dealer just cut us off.
Part of what eases the pain after a break-up is to find a new supplier of oxytocin. And since sex and physical touch are the most reliable ways of generating oxytocin, the old cliche of âget over someone by getting under someone elseâ is actually good advice.
I think the best thing is to not look at Mr. New as anything more than a casual relationship for now. Youâre still clearly unsure about things with your ex, and thereâs no need to rush into anything just to replace him. Thereâs nothing wrong with just seeing someone whose company you enjoy and not having any expectation of anything serious, yet. If heâs someone whoâs right for you, you can figure that out down the line as you get to know him better. And if he isnât⊠well, not having any expectations of commitment makes it easier all around.
But itâs not going to be easy figuring that out if youâre worried that heâs just going to be the replacement relationship goldfish to fill the hole that Mr. Ex left. You need to let that hole close⊠and right now, I think youâre standing in the way of letting that happen.
Take it slow with Mr. New⊠but let Mr. Ex go.
Good luck.
Hey Doc,
Big fan looking for some advice. So Iâve been friends with this girl for about 8 years and since weâve known each other Iâve had on and off again feelings for her. The thing is that while she does know this and has expressed feelings towards me as well nothing has ever come of it. It has frustrated me to the point many times of dropping contact with her, because she has been able to say things to manipulate my feelings into thinking that she cares more than she does (you know me better than anyone, I do love you etc).
When she starts dating someone when issues arise Iâm the one she calls. We briefly had something for a few months before she moved but she moved back and continued the same trend quickly.
Now Iâm in the situation of having moved out of state and hearing the same usual ânobody gets me but youâ and âI canât wait for you to come homeâ all in a flirtatious manner with pictures. I want to be over this but I canât escape the feeling even though in my mind I believe it to be all manipulation.
Can I escape the madness of this gut feeling?
Emotionally Stuck
This is the sort of situation that I think may be a little one-sided, ES. That is: I think this is all coming from you.
I mean, eight years is a long goddamn time to backburner someone, especially if you two actually did date briefly. Even the most emotionally manipulative people out there arenât going to be so invested in playing that long of a long game.
Iâm curious: do you have many female friends in your life? Or have you seen how women interact with their friends? Women, on the whole, tend to be much more emotionally demonstrative and expressive with their friends than men are. Men tend to equate emotional demonstrativeness and emotional intimacy with sexual intimacy, and so we assume that being that close or affectionate with someone means that they must want to bang. As a result: men tend to have fewer and shallower platonic friendships than women do. Chalk it up to the toxic masculinity party package
Her behavior and the things she says? Those sound an awful lot like treating someone like a close friend. Without more details, itâs kind of difficult for me to assume that thereâs more behind it. I mean, unless those pics are lewds and thirst trapsâand I mean explicitly so, not just âwoah, that shirt is tight on herââthis doesnât sound that different from a friend keeping in touch with a friend.
All that having been said: if you donât want to be friends with her, or if itâs too painful for you to do so, nobody says you have to. You can break up with a friend, much in the same way that youâd break up with a lover. All you need to do is go nuclearâblock or mute her number, unfollow and unfriend her on social mediaâand you wonât have to deal with her manipulative behavior (or, yâknow, her friendship) any longer.
Up to you, chief.
Good luck.
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