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Sun Nov 22
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02:19 AM
Hurrah!
12:15 AM
Even though they can patch it easily, it is still no excuse.
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12:29 AM
The game was still released broken. Just because they can fix it whilst you own it, doesn't make it good in any way.
How about if you have had a lot of these issues whilst playing? You would be pissed. A released, new game that you have waited for, broken.
Prevention is better than cure.
#speakup
12:40 AM
L4D2 has never crashed for me, nor are these gameplay inhibiting issues.
01:08 AM
#speakup
01:19 AM
You're nitpicking.
01:38 AM
A lot of people are playing the game fine, but there are also alot of people that a getting issues.
If you think that losing your stats is fine, then play away.
#speakup
02:22 AM
I don't get achievement points or anything for the PC version, so if something disappears I just go and get it again.
Left 4 Dead 2: SERIOUS BIDNESS.
11/21/09
I think mine just disappeared today. Hoping they come back next time I boot the game up.
11/21/09
But Activision also knows that nobody will take a $40 purchase to the court. Which is why they get away with it playing dirty. Somebody should really sue them for some killer punitive damage for stepping on customer rights like that.
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11/21/09
If Valve set the prices, you only need to look at Valves past release history to see that they wouldn't fuck over the consumer with the price gouging that Activision is doing.
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Btw does anyone know why speakup is appearing at the bottom of all my comments?
11/21/09
Let's just say that until Valve enforce worldwide pricing on the games they distribute and there is a live price conversion system that pulls its numbers from say xe.com, we are all gonna get ripped off sooner or later.
11/21/09
11/21/09
@StressedOutCat: Left 4 Dead 2 is a Valve game, what I meant was they don't set the price on the third party games they sell like EA games or THQ games, on their own games of course they set the prices, as for it being $74 where you live I have no idea why that would be.
11/21/09
#speakup
11/21/09
Just look at the other games on Steam, most are inline with the American pricing, only a few stand out, the main offender seems to be Activision.
I remember back when CoD4 came out, it was $84 US then the market crashed and it was still that price, once you converted it, us Aussies ended up having to pay $140 AU for that game. It only went down to a decent price once the market recovered (here is Australia anyway).
Another offender is 2K, how they removed Borderlands from the Australian store only to put it back up at the discounted price of $80 US, almost double what it was originally on there for.
11/20/09
11/20/09
If this is the case then they should totally ban every PS3 and 360 owner who got their copy for £26 in Sainsbury's... Dicks.
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11/20/09
I wonder if having the disc is part of an license agreement or whatever when you buy it off steam? I don't own that version of MW2 so I'm curious.
11/20/09
Activision and Valve know who can and cannot sell their product. If they say that G2Play.net is not allowed to sell their product, they have the right to block that product from working. Why?
Because it's in their damn Terms of Service. Duh. With a proper ToS they can do this all they want and it's perfectly legal for them to do it. Dumb complainers and dumb key-resellers (who usually steal their keys anyway) are dumb.
11/20/09
Let's change the perspective here, I think only a dumb fool would bend over for such an easy reaming.
Good thing I also know legalese in parallel importation laws, and also how to operate VPNS. Still, gotta love services that allow remote cancellation of licenses for consumers whom atleast try to pay (albeit less).
11/20/09
Oh and don't get me started on the price gouging dependent on region. All kinds of fucked up going on there...
11/20/09
11/20/09
That's like saying it's OK to just keep a tricycle that a bully stole and sold to you, because you didn't know the bully stole it. It's called fraud and pretty much everyone gets screwed somehow in the process.
11/21/09
That's like saying it's NOT OK to keep a tricycle that a foreign friend sold to you because he got it in Japan, and no Japanese tricycles are allowed here. It's called extreme region control and it's going to destroy DD.
11/21/09
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#speakup
11/20/09
I must be missing something. Because that doesn't exactly seem like a good way to get someone to pay YOU for the game- forcing them to buy it twice to play it...
11/20/09
Valve's games are, at least, region locked. If you leave the country then you can't play it anymore, or at least that's what they said years ago.
11/20/09
They have no right to ban people for that. That's utter bullshit! That's the equivalent of breaking into my house and smashing my copy of Sonic Adventure because I bought it from a guy in hong kong.
I bought it, it's a legal copy, and it's mine. Screw that.
11/20/09
I mean, the people who at least made the attempt to buy something are the ones being banned. Does that not seem backwards to anyone else?
Whereas, the pirates who paid NOTHING are actively enjoying multiplayer fun. What. the. hell are they (Activision) thinking?
11/20/09
Regions are bullshit. They are protectionist relics for a business model that refuses to change.
11/20/09
That's a "I don't want to support these people" situation but valve is so popular they can pull that kind of crap and there will be no noticable consequences.
Unless, like, they decide to class-action them. But even then, I don't know if they legally have a case, though I'd think they would.
11/20/09
11/20/09
What about the guy who bought games in his home country for others, and their copies got banned? Is eh "no better than a pirate"?
You can't do that. Businesses cannot punish you because you bought their product in a place it was cheaper.
#speakup
11/20/09
You can't honestly be surprised that when you fuck them over, they fuck you right back?
Edit: Your argument would stand some ground if you were one of the people who just so happened to buy his copy while he was in a foreign country, then flew back with it. As it stands, you're just a whiny idiot that got exactly what was coming to him.
11/20/09
What kind of retarded company BANS PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THEIR GAME? That's not going to get them any extra sales! It's pathetic!
Again, what about imports? What the hell would you do if a company barged into your house and shattered the disc of a game you imported? Would you go "Oh, I shouldn't have bought it at a cheaper price despite it being legal as hell to do so, even if the shop I got it from wasn't supposed to sell it and is in the wrong instead of me"? Hell no you wouldn't!
11/20/09
And like I edited into my earlier post, your argument might stand some ground if you actually bought it yourself while in a foreign country, and then moved here with it, but that's not the case.
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11/20/09
Well, then you'd have a legitimate complaint. But as others in the comments have said, this isn't just Valve getting pissed off and banning people, this was at the request of Activision.
As for them shutting down, they've said before that they'd release a patch of some kind to make the games work without Steam, or make Steam work without the Valve servers (though it already kind of does). And besides, it's not like they'll be going out of business any time soon.
@Mancomb: lol fair enough.
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11/20/09
I mean, you do have a point, digital sales do have their risks. Who's to say someone else won't release some super awesome game platform that puts Steam out of business? It could happen. It's just a point of weighing the benefits and the risks.
11/20/09
Oh, and about your statement that this was all Activision's idea: Valve did the same thing two years ago with Team Fortress 2 ( [www.eurogamer.net] ) .
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11/20/09
Yes, there are risks, but there are risks in everything. You could just as easily lose your whole physical game collection in a fire or something. It's not like I'm investing money in a scam or something.
Also, I'm not stupid enough to do something like hack in a multiplayer game, or play pirated games through Steam, so I think I'm safe in betting that Valve won't go completely off their rockers and start arbitrarily banning people's accounts.
@Chrisyoung001: Read my comments. I've said several times that the people who actually go to foreign countries and buy the game, then bring them back, have a perfectly valid reason to be upset by this. It's the cheapskates I have a problem with.
#speakup
11/21/09
#speakup
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11/20/09
-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All Special Infected in all campaigns
-All weapons in all campaigns
-Director causes various things to change in L4D1 campaigns, just like in L4D2 cmapaigns.
Requires to have both games installed and linked to your Steam account, of course. But certainly would be an awesome "reward" to those who own both games.
Only issue would be that new dialogue would need to be recorded for all survivors (so they can speak with any of the survivors, as well as react to the differences in each game's campaigns).
C'mon. Do it, Valve.
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11/20/09
I was thinking more of it being a patch to each game, that would be "unlocked" if you had both games. :p
11/21/09
I would gladly take it as a free DLC, if it included the following:
-Play any of the 10 (so far released) campaigns
-Play any of the 8 survivors, regardless of campaign
-All weapons in all campaigns
For me, it would be sufficient.
Should not be hard to realize from a technical standpoint, so not that much work would be required from Valve, therefore justifying it being free DLC for owners of both games (such as me, for example).
The other two points would probably be more difficult to realize, but the short list I've given above should be a matter of two-three weeks worth of programmers work plus additional two-three weeks for QA team - and it would be a great bonus for those that have bought both L4Ds.
11/20/09
This would be a nice thank you for all the people irritated that the newer game was rolled out so quickly for a typical Valve title.
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[gamesblog.ugo.com]
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