I don't mind that Valve's games aren't coming on PS3. Their console versions are always less interesting than their PC versions, for one reason or another.
I can understand that, for those who only have a PS3 would love to have their game... but Valve doesn't have any PS3 programmers, nor show any interest in hiring any. Yet, why not have EA port it, like they did with Orange Box (or how Sega ported Platinum's Bayonetta to PS3)? Granted, the PS3 version of Orange Box faltered compared to the 360 version... but blame EA for that, it was their work. #left4dead2
Wrong but I will give him that it seems it won't be long before they are in terms of network capabilities if things keep going the way they're going.
Honestly, I do think Valve is missing out on a strong demographic by ignoring PS3 and while development difficulties are a valid reason, that can only fly for so long since they will eventually have to move with the times or be left for dead themselves.
The community excuse was just weak and I wouldn't have believe it came from Valve if someone just said it in passing. I wonder if Gabe has the same view of the PS3 community as Chet? #left4dead2
@-MasterDex-: the reason its not going to PS3 is because not enough people bought the PS3 version of the orange box, and it cost EA money. If valve doesn't want to develop for the PS3, so be it, they're an independent company and they don't have to do what they don't want to, and frankly they can shut down their game development portion of the studio tomorrow and just sit rich on Steam sales. What you have to question then, is why aren't EA pushing Valve to allow them to port the games to PS3. The reason for that is that Valve is making enough money on the 360 for them to not care, and they probably anticipate that porting to the PS3 would either not generate a profit, or the profit would be so minor that it wasn't worth the effort, like on PS3 Orange Box. Additionally, the different development groups means that the PS3 version would never be updated as any updates for the game its chiefly for the PC, and then trickles down to the 360, and then EA would have to take that 360 update and port it over to the PS3. #left4dead2
@-MasterDex-: I understand why Valve isn't releasing on the PS3. My theory is that they're afraid of not being able to provide as solid an experience on the PS3 as they can on 360 and PC, thus drawing the ire of PS3 owners. I mean, when Orange Box came out and was ported to consoles, and EA's PS3 version suffered from minor technical issues that were nonpresent in the 360 version, there were large numbers of PS3 folks pissing and moaning about how fkukin' M$ got the better version. How ungrateful. With the attitude that the PS3 userbase has toward Valve (and the poor Orange Box PS3 sales besides), it's no wonder they're not interested in spending time developing for their platform. We're all fairly certain that Valve can do just fine by the PS3, but they won't because of "business"? Fishy. Admittedly, PSN is relatively recent, while Xbox Live is an established network, has been around for years now, so it would make more sense to release their largely multiplayer experiences for a platform they're sure has a higher online userbase. I'll give you that, Valve. *shifty eyes* They'll start developing for PSN once PSN starts to matter as much as Xbox Live has for console gaming the last six or seven years. I hope it's sooner rather than later, though.
@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: The things you can do with the networking capabilities are not though, and never will be, unless they turn it into a PC
Yeah, that's what I meant. Poor choice of words on my part.
@ZeroJutsu: lol, normally I'd say that's a bit mean but given the circumstances, I'll let it pass :P #left4dead2
@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: You make some very good points. Valve has always been one for delivering quality so I can't imagine them wanting to ruin their image because of one bad port.
It would be nice to see PS3 owners get to enjoy their newer games but at the same time, I'm just glad they're still one of the stalwarts of my beloved PC. #left4dead2
Only if you can equate middle school softball players to be on par with Major League baseball players.
As for the PS3 comment, what? We get that you don't want to develop for the damn thing, but you don't have to diss it's community features, which are on par with the 360's in every way I have seen so far, except maybe some cross game chat or something. Which I personally hate, I don't want to talk to some dude playing Forza while I play Tales of Vesperia...if I had something important to say to him while I was, I would call him. #left4dead2
PSN isn't on par with the 360's online component, despite what XBL detractors feel about the community. That's fact. He's not saying the PSN isn't capable (it certainly is), it's just not as good as XBL.
And he's also right to tell people to buy it on 360/PC if you want to play it because it's not coming to the
PS3 (similar if you told me not to buy MGS4 on the PS3 because I'm hoping it comes to the 360).
People get so aggravated nowadays. He wasn't "dissing" the PS3.
This seems like an oddly unprovoked attack on the PS3. Just say "we don't want to make a PS3 port" and call it a day. Pretending that it doesn't have friends-list support is pretty ignorant. #left4dead2
I've never seen a game developer come out and straight hate a console this much. You don't like the PS3, we get it. Do you have to say it every 4 months? #left4dead2
Once the PS3 overtakes the 360 in worldwide sales, Valve will be singing a completely different tune. At the current sales rate, PS3 should be able to achieve it in a year or two. #left4dead2
@mangs: Expecting the PS3 to keep it's current sales rate for the next 50 to 100 weeks is insane. Much like expecting the 360 to stay the same. And your also not factoring in that in order to catch up and over take, the other person must slow down by a huge amount or stop moving. #left4dead2
@Chaotix3: They're not at the same price. The cheapest 360 is the cheapest console on the market. Xbox has a higher family value function than the PS3, and arguably a better library, with a superior online service (although it has a price). They both have their pros and cons, and if the PS3 was that much better than the 360, it would still outsell it despite being a higher price. #left4dead2
@Toasticus: Never said they were bad games. Just saying since I can't play those, I'll find alternatives. Even though I never had any real interest in those games anyway. #left4dead2
PS3 gets an exclusive (often without explanation or because of money) = Ps3 console owners are happy.
360 gets an exclusive, with explanation = PS3 fans lose their minds.
He's got a point, too. Playing multiplayer on a friend's PS3 is 3x more frustrating than my friend's 360. (Not a console owner. PC gamer). The PS3 is a good machine, but I kind of see it as the "I want to play alone" machine. #left4dead2
@Paul_Is_Drunk: On the other hand, you could argue that When the Xbox 360 gets an exclusive, 360 owners are happy, and when PS3 gets an exclusive, 360 users RAGE. The difference is that my argument isn't as true as yours is. #left4dead2
@Paul_Is_Drunk: I completely disagree. Fallout 3 and GTA4 expansions? Multiplatform games with exlusive DLC, because MS paid them. It goes both ways. I see a lot more of fanboys bashing their "rival's" exclusives more than crying that their system doesn't have it.
I find the PS3 lacking some MP features but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I think what Chet was trying to say refered more to the programming end of MP, not the user end. #left4dead2
@Archaotic: pretty sure you were singing EA DICE's name yesterday for making BC2's beta PS3 exclusive thinking it's "easier" to build the game on PS3 and port to PC/360.
God the things fanboys say are hilarious. #left4dead2
@Archaotic: That's a fact. But there is also the fact that 2 platforms is more important than 1. Especially the PC which is STRONGER than the PS3 which means that should be the system to focus on.
You know, I like Valve, n I love Steam.
But damn their attitude towards PS3 just doesn't help them one bit.
First they say they don't want to develop for PS3 because it's too hard and they want all versions to be equal, while at the same time not supporting console versions of Orange Box at all.
Then they say they don't make a Ps3 version of L4D because the Ps3 online isn't on par? for a 4-8 player game?
@deanbmmv: Look, I own both systems, and any owner of both systems worth their salt knows that PSN isn't in any way equal to XBL when it comes to games that pretty much rely on multi-player gaming. Tried Borderlands on each system lately? The PS3 version is a ghost-town. The 360 version you have to turn people away.
PSN is just not there yet. It simply isn't. I wish it was. I even bought a headset (finally) so I could at least WANT to play Burnout Paradise with some friends... but it's just ridiculous how far behind XBL it is. Ridiculous.
@MrBionic: That's really more a factor of sales than it is PSN vs XBL. The 360 version has sold much better than the PS3 version, largely because the PS3 version had the unfortunate timing to go up against Game of the Year contender Uncharted 2. The 360 version basically had open seas. #left4dead2
@theflux: That's one reason, certainly, but I only used Borderlands as an example. I can name off UT3, Burnout Paradise, COD4... it holds true for all of them, in my experience. All the above are just a better experience on XBL than PSN. I don't even know WHY, really. I just meet and stay connected with people on XBL at a far, far greater rate than I do on PSN, over all my games. #left4dead2
@MrBionic: er how is borderlands a ghost town? i played with a full 4 every single time on there from release date until this week when i took a break from it so i dont get bored with it..
just because you couldn't find someone to play with 1 time doesnt mean psn is that far behind live. #left4dead2
@hurricanedj: All I have are my experiences, and those of many people that have had the same. It's great that you've found games, but that's a rarity from the communities I'm a part of. Another part of it is the isolation that PSN makes me feel. I hate that I can't get into a chat with a friend that's playing something else so we can shoot the bullshit while playing our games. I hate that I can't send a voice message to someone so my fingers stay free to do some killing. I hate that I can't co-ordinate a game to start in a half-hour while everyone is playing something else for the time being.. that's another reason why I use the term 'ghost-town'. It's because PSN just simply makes me feel isolated, all the time. #left4dead2
@MrBionic: I also own both, and I think PSN is pretty close. PSN level party systems would pretty much make it on par, but to be honest, I don't find that feature very useful. What other features do you think PSN needs?
I don't know what kind of issues you had with borderlands, but asking some friends about it, they said they almost always see at least 10 people exactly the same level as them, and considerably more within their range. I personally use the PC version and I don't play with randoms, I play with friends I know. #left4dead2
@supo: For the first part, see my response to hurricane.
For the second part, admittedly, it was just in the first week, and I had only rented the game on ps3 (while trying to find a copy for the 360 to buy), but man, I couldn't get involved in a game at all. If that's changed, great, but I figured it'd be like any other online game I've ever tried for PS3, and would kind of just remain hard to get into. UT3 is one of the worst. #left4dead2
@krztov: And how many people actually play the mods? Not very damn many from my experience. It doesn't help that I personally hate mods. I don't use them. I don't like searching for them, trying to find the ones that people actually play, trying to keep updated, all that shit. I just want to pop in the game, find a decent server with a bunch of people playing on it, that are willing to shoot the shit and have fun, and don't take the game too seriously.
PSN isn't a very good playground for that. #left4dead2
My dearest Clara,
I hope this letter finds you well. It has been many years since I have seen your smiling face, and I am afraid it may be many more. The Console Wars continue unabated and now that Valve has picked a side I feel it may never end. I forgot why I decided to enlist in this foolish endeavor. We trudge on, lambasting the competition whenever we can, but I feel it has little effect. All sides are so entrenched in their disparate beliefs that I feel there will be no end. It has even consumed another generation. I saw that young Prichard boy on the other side of the line shouting "ZOMFG RROD LOL!" It tasks me greatly to see another boy lost. I remember seeing him just a babe when I enlisted to support the SNES militia. I doubt he would have joined if he had seen what my tired eyes have seen o’er and o’er again. The forlorn looks of all those abandoned by General Robert E. Sega still haunt me so. Nevertheless, I will fight on.
With love always
Lieutenant OW-Holmes #left4dead2
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I can understand that, for those who only have a PS3 would love to have their game... but Valve doesn't have any PS3 programmers, nor show any interest in hiring any. Yet, why not have EA port it, like they did with Orange Box (or how Sega ported Platinum's Bayonetta to PS3)? Granted, the PS3 version of Orange Box faltered compared to the 360 version... but blame EA for that, it was their work. #left4dead2
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Wrong but I will give him that it seems it won't be long before they are in terms of network capabilities if things keep going the way they're going.
Honestly, I do think Valve is missing out on a strong demographic by ignoring PS3 and while development difficulties are a valid reason, that can only fly for so long since they will eventually have to move with the times or be left for dead themselves.
The community excuse was just weak and I wouldn't have believe it came from Valve if someone just said it in passing. I wonder if Gabe has the same view of the PS3 community as Chet? #left4dead2
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The things you can do with the networking capabilities are not though, and never will be, unless they turn it into a PC. #left4dead2
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Poor choice of words on my part.
@ZeroJutsu: lol, normally I'd say that's a bit mean but given the circumstances, I'll let it pass :P #left4dead2
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It would be nice to see PS3 owners get to enjoy their newer games but at the same time, I'm just glad they're still one of the stalwarts of my beloved PC. #left4dead2
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Only if you can equate middle school softball players to be on par with Major League baseball players.
As for the PS3 comment, what? We get that you don't want to develop for the damn thing, but you don't have to diss it's community features, which are on par with the 360's in every way I have seen so far, except maybe some cross game chat or something. Which I personally hate, I don't want to talk to some dude playing Forza while I play Tales of Vesperia...if I had something important to say to him while I was, I would call him. #left4dead2
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And he's also right to tell people to buy it on 360/PC if you want to play it because it's not coming to the
PS3 (similar if you told me not to buy MGS4 on the PS3 because I'm hoping it comes to the 360).
People get so aggravated nowadays. He wasn't "dissing" the PS3.
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360 gets an exclusive, with explanation = PS3 fans lose their minds.
He's got a point, too. Playing multiplayer on a friend's PS3 is 3x more frustrating than my friend's 360. (Not a console owner. PC gamer). The PS3 is a good machine, but I kind of see it as the "I want to play alone" machine. #left4dead2
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I find the PS3 lacking some MP features but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. I think what Chet was trying to say refered more to the programming end of MP, not the user end. #left4dead2
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I'm glad I don't buy their games, or I'd be furious.
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I think you just have a raging boner for Sony. #left4dead2
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Valve's attitude toward Macs, the PS3, and essentially any platform that doesn't run on DirectX is lame, foolish, and ignorant. #left4dead2
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God the things fanboys say are hilarious. #left4dead2
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But damn their attitude towards PS3 just doesn't help them one bit.
First they say they don't want to develop for PS3 because it's too hard and they want all versions to be equal, while at the same time not supporting console versions of Orange Box at all.
Then they say they don't make a Ps3 version of L4D because the Ps3 online isn't on par? for a 4-8 player game?
Come on Valve. #left4dead2
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PSN is just not there yet. It simply isn't. I wish it was. I even bought a headset (finally) so I could at least WANT to play Burnout Paradise with some friends... but it's just ridiculous how far behind XBL it is. Ridiculous.
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just because you couldn't find someone to play with 1 time doesnt mean psn is that far behind live. #left4dead2
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I don't know what kind of issues you had with borderlands, but asking some friends about it, they said they almost always see at least 10 people exactly the same level as them, and considerably more within their range. I personally use the PC version and I don't play with randoms, I play with friends I know. #left4dead2
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For the second part, admittedly, it was just in the first week, and I had only rented the game on ps3 (while trying to find a copy for the 360 to buy), but man, I couldn't get involved in a game at all. If that's changed, great, but I figured it'd be like any other online game I've ever tried for PS3, and would kind of just remain hard to get into. UT3 is one of the worst. #left4dead2
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PSN isn't a very good playground for that. #left4dead2
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Pack your bags, politically correct, opinionless PR guys- it's time to grow a pair and huck some dirt. #left4dead2
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I hope this letter finds you well. It has been many years since I have seen your smiling face, and I am afraid it may be many more. The Console Wars continue unabated and now that Valve has picked a side I feel it may never end. I forgot why I decided to enlist in this foolish endeavor. We trudge on, lambasting the competition whenever we can, but I feel it has little effect. All sides are so entrenched in their disparate beliefs that I feel there will be no end. It has even consumed another generation. I saw that young Prichard boy on the other side of the line shouting "ZOMFG RROD LOL!" It tasks me greatly to see another boy lost. I remember seeing him just a babe when I enlisted to support the SNES militia. I doubt he would have joined if he had seen what my tired eyes have seen o’er and o’er again. The forlorn looks of all those abandoned by General Robert E. Sega still haunt me so. Nevertheless, I will fight on.
With love always
Lieutenant OW-Holmes #left4dead2
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Keep up the good work, guys!