Can I say this machine shoulda debuted even lower. 179.99.
It's less powerful and has less features than the original xbox which came out 5 years prior. Wii added one new element, motion control, and that one feature alone woulda made all the missing ones irrelevant, BUT THEY UNDER DELIEVERED IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
I appreciate the push for a new way to play games, but they marketed and gimmicked their way up the sales charts until the release of the Motion Plus add on which has only somewhat justified this consoles existence.
Sega should still be making hardware, and Nintendo the one simply selling mascot games.
Man, Nintendo has done a lot of things pretty right in this generation. Their pricing, marketing and overall sales strategy is really well thought out.
Of course, they expanded and "casualized" the market to a great deal, which led to serious controversy amond a lot of veteran -, hardcore - or how you want to call them gamers, BUT IMHO it turned out less bad than everyone is whining about.
Take a close look and you will find a lot of good games for the Wii.
Even how they approached the NEW GENERATION from an technical/strategy-wise point of view was pretty smart IMHO (eventhough I myself wished they did it a little different).
What I'm talking about is the fact, that the Wii turned out to be "underpowered" for this generation (though made A LOT up for it with INNOVATION).
So one could ask himself WHY Nintendo didn't come out with a much "stronger" hardware in the first place.
I guess it's because they A) realized they couldn't make the wii available for 250$ with BOTH multiple GHZ prozessors AND motion-technologie back then, and B) another guess of mine, they kinda wanted to TEST THE WATERS with an inexpensive hardware-structure because they didn't know for sure how WELL their motion-sensing technologie would catch on with customers.
Certainly, Nintendo was brave enough to not follow the usual "road maps" during development (like Sony and Msoft did), but didn't want to risk too much (bear in mind that the Gamecube was last last generation).
So yeah, now that Sony has launched a cheaper, smaller "slimline" ps3 and Microsoft also cut their price, Nintendo is going to reduce the Wii to 199 to be prepared of this Christmas. And they will sell as good as always.
Then 2011 at E3 (my speculation) they will anounce the Wii's successor and again have the chnace to get ahead of their competion, since their experiment (the motion technology) slightly turnd out better than Sonys and Microsofts 10 year life-span plan.
I also believe that during the next 2 years' the Wii will see a lot more BLOCKBUSTER games before big N takes off into the next-next generation.
Just like the difference between cheapest PS3 and PSPGo, the difference between Wii and DSi seems out of whack. I don't know why, but it always seems like the less powerful portables should be considerably less by comparison.
@lionkitten: I'm not sure about this, but I would guess the costs of LCD's, batteries and wifi chips(also now cameras and bluetooth) may play a factor to why portables don't drop in price faster.
I couldn't really tell you though, my best guess is that the ds sells like mad with it's current price, whats the point in losing money?
@sereal: Smaller things always cost more. It's just like computers, you can get a desktop that's got the same specs as a laptop and the desktop will always cost quite a bit less.
@SayeedaCeyx: Right; that's why it constantly sold out. Maybe they should have launched at $600 like Sony. Then they would have looked cool instead of like asshats, right?
Then the Wii isn't for you. Others might play it more than their other consoles. Just because "You" would only play it a few times a year doesn't mean it isn't worth 200 bucks. You aren't the only person in the world.
@RaptureScientist: If you'd only power it on a few times a year, you have pretty bad tastes in games. I don't care who you are, there is plenty to find and people are so stuck in your way of thinking that they've become totally blind to some of the best games of this generation.
@randomrawr: Calm down, RaptureScientist clearly wrote "too much for me". Nowhere did they say the Wii wasn't worth $200 in general. No need to jump down anyone's throat, here...
@Ueziel: Just because you're a Wii fanboy it doesn't give you a license to be a tool, a douche, a smartass, a jackass, a pisshead or combination on those.
Respect other's opinion. Plus, I don't agree with yours anyway. Best games of this generation? Are you kidding me? Lol
@HobbaHobba: Yeah man such a faaaaanboy. I'm only playing The Darkness on my 360, awaiting Batman: Arkham Asylum, probably own twice as many 360 games as I do Wii games, am looking into buying a PS3 Slim, charging my PSP and regularly play PS2 games. Yeah, man, I'm the biggest Wii fanboy there is. Jesus Christ.
No. I like good games. Wherever and whenever I find them.
@Hey_Blinkon: Yeah ya got me. I'm a fanboy of good games.
Being positive about gaming is not a bad thing. It's pretty laughable that people are actually whining and bitching that I'm being very positive about there being games on everything and that there is a 100% chance of people enjoying games on every system and that they are worth owning. I stick up for the Wii just as much as I stick up for my PSP or my 360 or any other system I own.
The biggest tell on who you should listen to these days is based almost entirely on whether or not they jump straight to calling someone a fanboy for saying there's something good on a system. It's exactly the same as the "comparing to Hitler" argument.
@Ueziel: Nobody's denying that there's good games on the Wii. The question is, are there enough games on it that appeal to A SPECIFIC person so that the person in question should take a plunge and buy the system?
That's where experiences differ. Not because they think there's zero games or none that appeal to a person, but because the games that are on the system aren't desirable ENOUGH to buy a console.
It's a matter of preference and a matter of taste. Saying the Wii is for everyone is ignorant at best.
@Ueziel: You're positive about gaming, but you're often very negative to others who disagree with you in the slightest. Often that is concerning the Wii. This is what makes you end up being labeled a fanboy. If you turned down the vitriol and insulting language, people would just think you were a fan of good games.
Saying someone is "stupid" because they don't enjoy a specific game, or needs to have their preferences changed because they don't think something merits the money is, well, stupid.
@Hey_Blinkon: I never said anyone was stupid. I said they were misinformed. Willfully misinformed, but misinformed nonetheless.
There's no "vitriol" here until you guys all started jumping on the ol' fanboy bandwagon.
I will honestly say though that yes, I am very very tired of reading "Oh I'll only turn it on once or twice a year." or "it just gathers dust." It's basically a bunch of people spouting off memes and they've turned it into their own reality.
It goes the same way with the PSP. For the longest time, all you saw was "blah blah there's nothing on it. Sony should get the AAAAAAA material over here blah blah" when it was pretty obvious that there was indeed a ton to choose from.
People do need their preferences challenged though. Nearly everyone here does, 100%.
Consoles just drop in price with time. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Companies have been doing this ever sense the freaking Atari 2600.
@wtf_G: Oddly enough a lot of people have been asking about price drops on the WIi at this point. The system has been out long enough with no cut of any kind that Nintendo has kinda saturated the market for the $250 price point. Silly as it seems to us, I wouldn't be surprised if a $50 drop got a lot more people to pick one up.
@wtf_G: Let me get this straight, what you're saying is that if no one owns a Wii by now, it's pretty clear they aren't waiting for a pay cut?
I don't own a PSP after how long? but if they made a price cut you better believe I'd consider it. A $50-$100 price cut means a lot to some people, a difference maker you might say.
I'm sure the DSi/lite still topping charts had a bit to do with the < $100 price-cut. Though, if Nintendo lowered the price on their handhelds just to drop the Wii to $150, they would slaughter the holidays.
What they should do is package the new "lower priced" system with more pack in games, such as Wii Fit or Wit Sports Resort.
Make it the NES bundle of today.
like i said before, a price cut for the wii wont have drastic sales spike like the ps3. Its because price of the wii wasnt a big factor in purchasing it. Even at 249 people still buy the system no problem. The fault lies with its games. first party games from nintendo is top notch but the third party needs to catch up. plus most of the people i see buying a wii has no idea of video games anyway, mostly older people.
It's about maintaining that lead. The Wii is already - by far - the most dominate console on the market.
Sony makes a push for market share, and the other companies will follow suit.
Honestly, that huge spike in PS3 sales was a multi-faceted affair that owed a lot do mistakes Sony has made in the past, and is as much a good thing as a bad thing (for showing just how much sales they had to make up, and just how far they still have to go).
@johnLD: "like i said before, a price cut for the wii wont have drastic sales spike like the ps3. Its because price of the wii wasnt a big factor in purchasing it. "
I agree. The PS3 "finally" hit the sweet spot for pricing. Wii was already there.
@johnLD: The PS3 got a price cut and redesign. The Wii is just getting a price cut. So obviously it won't be as drastic as the PS3's spike. Please forgive those older people for not having your own taste in games. What idiots they must be right!? *rolls eyes*
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It's less powerful and has less features than the original xbox which came out 5 years prior. Wii added one new element, motion control, and that one feature alone woulda made all the missing ones irrelevant, BUT THEY UNDER DELIEVERED IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
I appreciate the push for a new way to play games, but they marketed and gimmicked their way up the sales charts until the release of the Motion Plus add on which has only somewhat justified this consoles existence.
Sega should still be making hardware, and Nintendo the one simply selling mascot games.
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Of course, they expanded and "casualized" the market to a great deal, which led to serious controversy amond a lot of veteran -, hardcore - or how you want to call them gamers, BUT IMHO it turned out less bad than everyone is whining about.
Take a close look and you will find a lot of good games for the Wii.
Even how they approached the NEW GENERATION from an technical/strategy-wise point of view was pretty smart IMHO (eventhough I myself wished they did it a little different).
What I'm talking about is the fact, that the Wii turned out to be "underpowered" for this generation (though made A LOT up for it with INNOVATION).
So one could ask himself WHY Nintendo didn't come out with a much "stronger" hardware in the first place.
I guess it's because they A) realized they couldn't make the wii available for 250$ with BOTH multiple GHZ prozessors AND motion-technologie back then, and B) another guess of mine, they kinda wanted to TEST THE WATERS with an inexpensive hardware-structure because they didn't know for sure how WELL their motion-sensing technologie would catch on with customers.
Certainly, Nintendo was brave enough to not follow the usual "road maps" during development (like Sony and Msoft did), but didn't want to risk too much (bear in mind that the Gamecube was last last generation).
So yeah, now that Sony has launched a cheaper, smaller "slimline" ps3 and Microsoft also cut their price, Nintendo is going to reduce the Wii to 199 to be prepared of this Christmas. And they will sell as good as always.
Then 2011 at E3 (my speculation) they will anounce the Wii's successor and again have the chnace to get ahead of their competion, since their experiment (the motion technology) slightly turnd out better than Sonys and Microsofts 10 year life-span plan.
I also believe that during the next 2 years' the Wii will see a lot more BLOCKBUSTER games before big N takes off into the next-next generation.
Gahhh... sorry for that much text!
09/17/09
Unfortunately just have spent 2 grand on a Vaio, Slim and a PSP, I should probably wait. My head is still spinning from that.
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I also really would like to get Madworld and The Conduit, regardless of all the haters.
09/17/09
Maybe if you didn't buy one of the most overpriced laptop brands on the market you'd still have money left to buy a Wii.
09/17/09
This laptop is balls-deep, brother.
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09/18/09
A. I said the brand is overpriced. I said nothing about your model specifically.
B. You spent $2000 on a vaio. I have a rough estimate of the crap which you purchased.
09/18/09
It was $1209, to be precise. The rest was PS3/PSP related.
For fuck sake, who cares. Troll elsewhere please. I'm done.
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I couldn't really tell you though, my best guess is that the ds sells like mad with it's current price, whats the point in losing money?
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Then the Wii isn't for you. Others might play it more than their other consoles. Just because "You" would only play it a few times a year doesn't mean it isn't worth 200 bucks. You aren't the only person in the world.
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Respect other's opinion. Plus, I don't agree with yours anyway. Best games of this generation? Are you kidding me? Lol
09/17/09
No. I like good games. Wherever and whenever I find them.
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Being positive about gaming is not a bad thing. It's pretty laughable that people are actually whining and bitching that I'm being very positive about there being games on everything and that there is a 100% chance of people enjoying games on every system and that they are worth owning. I stick up for the Wii just as much as I stick up for my PSP or my 360 or any other system I own.
The biggest tell on who you should listen to these days is based almost entirely on whether or not they jump straight to calling someone a fanboy for saying there's something good on a system. It's exactly the same as the "comparing to Hitler" argument.
09/17/09
That's where experiences differ. Not because they think there's zero games or none that appeal to a person, but because the games that are on the system aren't desirable ENOUGH to buy a console.
It's a matter of preference and a matter of taste. Saying the Wii is for everyone is ignorant at best.
09/17/09
Saying someone is "stupid" because they don't enjoy a specific game, or needs to have their preferences changed because they don't think something merits the money is, well, stupid.
09/17/09
There's no "vitriol" here until you guys all started jumping on the ol' fanboy bandwagon.
I will honestly say though that yes, I am very very tired of reading "Oh I'll only turn it on once or twice a year." or "it just gathers dust." It's basically a bunch of people spouting off memes and they've turned it into their own reality.
It goes the same way with the PSP. For the longest time, all you saw was "blah blah there's nothing on it. Sony should get the AAAAAAA material over here blah blah" when it was pretty obvious that there was indeed a ton to choose from.
People do need their preferences challenged though. Nearly everyone here does, 100%.
09/17/09
Not sure what this'll achieve.
09/17/09
Consoles just drop in price with time. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Companies have been doing this ever sense the freaking Atari 2600.
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I don't own a PSP after how long? but if they made a price cut you better believe I'd consider it. A $50-$100 price cut means a lot to some people, a difference maker you might say.
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i don't know why the word "asshat" seems to be flying around this thread so much.
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Not really, since both the $249 Wii and the $199 Wii come with Wii Sports. So, it's still a $50 price cut.
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$199 ain't bad for the full package alright.
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Make it the NES bundle of today.
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It's about maintaining that lead. The Wii is already - by far - the most dominate console on the market.
Sony makes a push for market share, and the other companies will follow suit.
Honestly, that huge spike in PS3 sales was a multi-faceted affair that owed a lot do mistakes Sony has made in the past, and is as much a good thing as a bad thing (for showing just how much sales they had to make up, and just how far they still have to go).
09/14/09
I agree. The PS3 "finally" hit the sweet spot for pricing. Wii was already there.
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