@ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.: Yeah like Sonic Unleashed is $29.99. F that! $19.99 I might consider it. Most titles on games ondemand should be $19.99.
Next time, Chair, create pathways linking areas so that I don't have to spend twenty minutes running like a bat out of hell from one side of the game to the other because I missed a powerup. Metroid Fusion had the right idea.
Microsoft probably saw all the chatter that said there's no way it'd sell at that price because, a) people will think it's a cheap peripheral, and/or b) they expect Microsoft will charge more.
So Microsoft probably thought, "Hell, they want it more expensive," and started messing around in the marketing department to see just how much they could charge.
Seriously, it's a camera with some software. I imagine most of the software is doing the work, so I have no idea why people believe it will cost (see any comment in comments section), but it may end up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. #rumor
@Victor Soon: It has multiple cameras in it. 2 to be exact. A good bit of tech in it to compile this info into one data stream and a microphone or 2 in it. It won't sell for the same as the PS3 Eye. Think about it. If Sony makes a rechargeable controller and Microsoft makes a controller that COULD be rechargeable with a $20 add on without motion control which will be more expensive. Even the quality is down the drain there. 360 is 25 hour life PS3 is 36 hour life. 360 has a new HDD size and it sells for over $100 when it is less then a 250GB HDD (Which you can find 250GB HDD online for about $70 now. Now why would they think about lowering the price of this? They can sell it when it first releases at let's say $120 with a Wii Sports style pack of games. They want to cover all of the development costs first. The cost to manufacture it is next to nothing seeing as everything Microsoft has made for 360 aside from the point cards are prone to damage. They want to pay everyone that put in their 2¢ and start making money on it. Then they will keep the price there until the holidays. It will go down to a new low price of $99.99 or $79.99 with a new bundled game and they will still be making upwards of $20 per unit they sell. #rumor
@Paul_Is_Drunk: I forget what it was exactly now, but there was once some informercial with some crap product for sale at 9.99. No one bought it. The price made it sound cheap. So they raised the price 10 bucks and suddenly they've got a hit on their hands.
Maybe Microsoft's taking a page from the Ron Popeil playbook.
@AD.Munck: Are you sure it doesn't have its own processor? I remember the E3 videos where Natal ran into a computer and the computer was hooked to the 360. Maybe it was just "in the mixing bowl" rather than being baked then. I don't know. It just seems like the calculations necessary for motion tracking would/could cause a significant drop in performance if the 360 was trying to run a game, too.
I find it amazing that people are still pissy about paying $50 a year to play online yet have no problem paying $60 to $240 on the games they want per month.
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@Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition ([k]): Exactly! These are the same people who yes, bash X-Box Live because you have to pay $50/year to play tons of games...but have no problem paying $15/month ($180/year) playing World of Warcraft.
$50/year to play tons of games on live.
$180/year to play one single game online.
Between Steam on PC and PSN on the PS3, there's absolutely no reason for me to pay to play online. $50 a year can buy quite a few used games. #freexboxliveweekend
@Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition ([k]):
Errm, yeah that's the point.
You pay for the game, but half of it is locked out until you shell up extra to MS?
WTS?
And on top of this many of the features that they charge for are free. Multipalyer - its P2P, your own connection
Facebook/twitter/last.fm - free to access from any browser, heck even phones do most that these days.
Netflix -you've already paid your sub. Why you need to pay more?
Ad's - come on, you have ad's too, even if you pay for XBL.
The XBL fee can represent an extra game a year.
What I find amazing is that not only are so many willing to pay for it, but that they will back it up and defend it.
XBL is is a rip-off. You know they made it free on PC yeah? They just know they can get away with charging for it console, so they do. It's a tens of millions effortless cash, why stop if the people clamour to throw it at you?
@Ramza69: Way to make the assumption that people who don't pay for XBL pay for WoW.
@ashlar: Nice to know that you can trivialize $50. You wanna pay me $10 for replying to your comment, don't complain its only $10. #freexboxliveweekend
@Ramza69: This is the same thing I said to my friend's and she rips on me for "wasting" my money. Yes. Because paying a 1/3 of what she does it a waste. :P #freexboxliveweekend
@thealibiguy: Plenty of games bought used are still played online. You also conveniently forget the vast amounts of single-player games (that I tend to enjoy more than online games anyway).
$50 a year is a lot if you're under a tight budget. The 360 has been out for 4 years already and if you've had a console since launch you've just blown off $200 down the drain just to use a feature freely available everywhere else (with comparable or better features). You can narrow your expenditures all you want ("IT'S ONLY A TENTH OF A CENT A MINUTE, GAIS!!!"), but the costs rack up and they rack up fast.
@RockyRan: Exactly!
WoW can charge whatever they want to play, I don't use it. I also don't use Live Gold membership because I have to pay to use it. I do however play online with my ps3, shitty dell, and wii. Because they don't charge me to do so. WoW's cost is for the fan base to take care of, and seeing as how I'm not a part of it, I'm not getting involved on that. The 360 fan base however I am a part of, and I think Mircosoft needs to drop the $50 fee.
@Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition ([k]): @Ramza69: Its because theres the option of playing online with no charge on ps3. If ps3 didnt exist then no one would complain about 360 but since paying 50 bucks a year is not a norm for gamers (thank god it aint) people still piss about it. #freexboxliveweekend
@_Ted_: Although I dont play exclusively or extensively on the 360 much because... well...it's a sad excuse for a PC really. I do still enjoy the exclusives it has but never play online because paying 50 (60 if you live in canada i think?) is ridiculous for something I will probably play for a few hours.
I don't understand how people can just accept to pay for it with no second thought about what is its true value.
But in any case yes I do agree with you. It would be so much better for 360 gamers to be able to play their games for free instead of being raped for every single thing. It really adds up in the end. Console,Games,Live,DLC(Multiplayer maps especially). Where does it end?
Also the whole Gold and Silver division I've seen on the forums of Xbox is just fucking foul.
It should be enjoyable to game. Not a hassle of having to be nickled and dimed for every single thing. #freexboxliveweekend
@thealibiguy: whats terrible about PSN? The times ive been on it I never have gotten disconnected and never experienced horrible lag. #freexboxliveweekend
@RockyRan: So don't pay to play online. If you spend that much on games a year you don't need online play because if you did you would have it. #freexboxliveweekend
@ashlar: I don't pay, and I'm glad I don't. I don't need to play online on the 360 because like I said, I already have my needs met on Steam and PSN. #freexboxliveweekend
@BryanGuitarDude: I have not used PSN. but every gaming blogger I have heard of say it is much slower then XBL. have you used XBL? #freexboxliveweekend
@RockyRan: well,I can understand that if you can't afford it then you can't. but it is very cheap. why would you buy a $300 xbox when you can't afford $50?
and if the games are 1 player why get them for the xbox. #freexboxliveweekend
@thealibiguy: What do you mean "if the games are 1 player why get them for the xbox"? You're suggesting the 360 is only good for online multiplayer and shouldn't be used for anything else? I'm not even going to begin telling you what's wrong with that logic.
I can afford $50. Being on a budget doesn't mean I'm poor. I spend around $150 on games total per year except on the very rare years when I buy a console, and to be honest I don't feel constrained at all. I don't get every single game I want at launch at $60, but then again I don't have time to play all those games anyway.
I could pay the $50 if I wanted to, but I don't because I do all my online gaming on PSN and Steam. With those two services being free, I see little reason to pay cash for something Steam does better and PSN does comparably. I'd much, MUCH rather have an extra game or two every year than pay for online when I already get online for free. It's not XBox Live online, but it doesn't really matter to me.
@thealibiguy: I have. back in the gears of war 1 days. It was what you would expect from an online game. now maybe psn might have been bad during those days but from what I know from the last year, gaming online with psn is as good as anything else I've seen. I heard the wii is crap for online but I never bothered to play online with it so I would not be able to tell you if thats true or not. but yeah psn is good dude. Plus the fact that there is no charge for it is really a plus. #freexboxliveweekend
@BryanGuitarDude: just so you know, everyone on XBL said GOW and GOW 2 have the worst matchmaking on the xbox. well, maybe were the Fancasters
live PSN is bad.
@RockyRan: I did not mean it is Only good for MP it is just the best*.
I think SP only games are beter on the pc because of price and mods.
I did not mean to sound like I think you are poor.I only get 3 or 4 games a year, about what you get.
If you don't what XBL then you don't have to get it.
@thealibiguy: man that sucks. Especially since they are exclusives. You would think they would be able to get their shit together. Although if you would like to elaborate on your opinions of why psn is bad that would be great. To tell you the truth, I don't care which console I play on but the 50 bucks a year does tend to make me go play multiplatform games on the ps3. Of course its PC for anything thats more PC centric over consoles.
I was none too excited about this update, but i checked out Last.fm and am actually quite impressed. I had a hard time stumping its search function and its recommendations were all pretty on the money. I can see myself putting it on in the background relatively often. Nice addition. #freexboxliveweekend
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I regularly just DRIVE. I will drive around the city at NORMAL SPEED.
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So Microsoft probably thought, "Hell, they want it more expensive," and started messing around in the marketing department to see just how much they could charge.
Seriously, it's a camera with some software. I imagine most of the software is doing the work, so I have no idea why people believe it will cost (see any comment in comments section), but it may end up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. #rumor
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I wouldn't say it's just a camera though. It's a camera with Wii speak. #rumor
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but isnt this a camera, with another camera AND wii speak? #rumor
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Maybe Microsoft's taking a page from the Ron Popeil playbook.
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$50/year to play tons of games on live.
$180/year to play one single game online.
Whatever. #freexboxliveweekend
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I LOL because it's true, yes we shouldn't have to pay $50, but again it's only $50, get over it. #freexboxliveweekend
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Between Steam on PC and PSN on the PS3, there's absolutely no reason for me to pay to play online. $50 a year can buy quite a few used games. #freexboxliveweekend
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and with the money MS makes we get Exclusive DLC. #freexboxliveweekend
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Errm, yeah that's the point.
You pay for the game, but half of it is locked out until you shell up extra to MS?
WTS?
And on top of this many of the features that they charge for are free. Multipalyer - its P2P, your own connection
Facebook/twitter/last.fm - free to access from any browser, heck even phones do most that these days.
Netflix -you've already paid your sub. Why you need to pay more?
Ad's - come on, you have ad's too, even if you pay for XBL.
The XBL fee can represent an extra game a year.
What I find amazing is that not only are so many willing to pay for it, but that they will back it up and defend it.
XBL is is a rip-off. You know they made it free on PC yeah? They just know they can get away with charging for it console, so they do. It's a tens of millions effortless cash, why stop if the people clamour to throw it at you?
@Ramza69: Way to make the assumption that people who don't pay for XBL pay for WoW.
@ashlar: Nice to know that you can trivialize $50. You wanna pay me $10 for replying to your comment, don't complain its only $10. #freexboxliveweekend
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$50 a year is a lot if you're under a tight budget. The 360 has been out for 4 years already and if you've had a console since launch you've just blown off $200 down the drain just to use a feature freely available everywhere else (with comparable or better features). You can narrow your expenditures all you want ("IT'S ONLY A TENTH OF A CENT A MINUTE, GAIS!!!"), but the costs rack up and they rack up fast.
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WoW can charge whatever they want to play, I don't use it. I also don't use Live Gold membership because I have to pay to use it. I do however play online with my ps3, shitty dell, and wii. Because they don't charge me to do so. WoW's cost is for the fan base to take care of, and seeing as how I'm not a part of it, I'm not getting involved on that. The 360 fan base however I am a part of, and I think Mircosoft needs to drop the $50 fee.
WHO'S WITH ME!?!.....anyone? #freexboxliveweekend
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I don't understand how people can just accept to pay for it with no second thought about what is its true value.
But in any case yes I do agree with you. It would be so much better for 360 gamers to be able to play their games for free instead of being raped for every single thing. It really adds up in the end. Console,Games,Live,DLC(Multiplayer maps especially). Where does it end?
Also the whole Gold and Silver division I've seen on the forums of Xbox is just fucking foul.
It should be enjoyable to game. Not a hassle of having to be nickled and dimed for every single thing. #freexboxliveweekend
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and if the games are 1 player why get them for the xbox. #freexboxliveweekend
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I can afford $50. Being on a budget doesn't mean I'm poor. I spend around $150 on games total per year except on the very rare years when I buy a console, and to be honest I don't feel constrained at all. I don't get every single game I want at launch at $60, but then again I don't have time to play all those games anyway.
I could pay the $50 if I wanted to, but I don't because I do all my online gaming on PSN and Steam. With those two services being free, I see little reason to pay cash for something Steam does better and PSN does comparably. I'd much, MUCH rather have an extra game or two every year than pay for online when I already get online for free. It's not XBox Live online, but it doesn't really matter to me.
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I think SP only games are beter on the pc because of price and mods.
I did not mean to sound like I think you are poor.I only get 3 or 4 games a year, about what you get.
If you don't what XBL then you don't have to get it.
*my opinion.
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Whoa! When did they ratchet up the price? There's no way facebook costs near that! Damn YOU MICRO$OOOOOOOOFT!
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