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Eltigro
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
Me? I'm going to hand weave some natural hemp fibers into little decorative disc covers...

I saw it in my Assassin's Creed II case. Figured they were trying to save some money. I'm okay with that. It's a recession. Cutting costs is okay. If it just happens make sense ecologically as well as economically, that's fine, too.
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N●Gage Croal is grabbin' peels
12/01/09

In reply to Report: Nintendo Scaling Back Wii Production
Well.... the system is officially three years old now... they'd have to cut back eventually. Every system does.
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dagamer34
12/01/09

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Any unit ordered today probably wouldn't be ready by Christmas anyway, so there's little need to order a huge glutton of them right this moment.

Remember that shortages increase the perceived need of ownership. That's why it was so hard to find a Wii for 2.5 years.
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Demonbird
12/01/09

@dagamer34:
It was only hard when looking RIGHT AROUND Christmas, and immediately after launch.

Last christmas we had tons of wiis ALL the time leading up to the holidays, then sold them, and received one or two shipments with a few units.

Right after christmas, about a few days after, suddenly, large shipments, and that stock stayed around for quite some time.
I was finding wiis frequently in the wild in 2007 and 8.
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lukeswall
12/01/09

@Demonbird: I tried to buy a Wii in June, 2008. I saw some on a walmart, but I hadn't made my mind yet. Two days later I went back and they were all gone. I spent 5 days searching high and low before finally finding one. You're just being a Nancy Negative.
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Demonbird
12/01/09

@lukeswall:
How is that negative? I traveled frequently during this time, spotted in 2007 and 2008 Wiis at best buy numerous times in California, Texas, Colorado, at gamestop sometimes in California and Colorado, and most frequently at Walmarts and Target.
A target in Colorado sold out over aperiod I was there and had loads more two days later.

This does not constitute a difficult item to find, as I'm pretty sure a round of phone tag could yield a wii.
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brass2themax
12/01/09

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The Wii had a good start because it bore the Nintendo name... But it's finally starting to tank, the name can only keep a sub-par product alive so long. Brand loyalty isn't an invincible guarantee. It's a shame, because I have a lot of positive nostalgia for Nintendo; my first gaming console was the Nintendo Entertainment System. My last Nintendo console was the Gamecube, and will probably remain the final Nintendo product I will have ever bought.

The problem from my point of view, is that Nintendo left all their "core" fans out to dry. Sure, there was a Metroid game, a couple of Mario games (only one of which was really a MARIO game, and not just "Mario doing something unrelated to saving Princesses game"), and a Zelda game, but there was, overall, a big lack of first-party titles that appealed to the "core" fans of the franchise. It's great that they were trying hard to appeal to newcomers, but in my opinion, they forgot about the rest of us, and fed us a bit of Metroid, Zelda, and marginally entertaining Mario games just to simply keep us hanging onto the console by a thread.

The well seems to have run dry on the Wii, for the moment. Such a shame. Remember when it first came out how people envisioned running around Hyrule as Link swinging your sword about in real-time, dueling with Stalfos' and having some epic battles? Twilight Princess was the rushed, half-assed attempt at that idea, which flopped in my opinion in terms of control. I got it for the Gamecube for that reason, and played it with the regular controller.

Such a shame. It was a great idea, but that's what happens when you don't listen to the fans and decide you know better (in some cases, such as this).

RIP Nintendo. My burning spirit for you has died, long ago. I pass on the torch to the young gamers of the day, who might one day leave you as well when the novelty of waggle has worn off, as it is starting to now.
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andresegers001
12/01/09

@brass2themax: You do realize that at one point, the PS2 also scaled back production, right?

Starting to tank? Please. It's still the best best selling console.
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johnLD
12/01/09

@brass2themax: hahaha, i bought the legend of zelda twilight princess for the gamecube. I was pissed before it released because they said they might cancel the gamecube version. They finally released it though and i was sure i wasnt gonna play zelda on the wii because i dont like playing zelda waggle. I've been playing zelda with a standard controller and i dont need any different way to play it. The game basically justifies itself for purchase, story and nostalgia alike. But no zelda waggle for me.
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subnet6
12/01/09

@brass2themax: The wii is "tanking"? Really? So what was that report yesterday that it did 100K more than the PS3 on Black Friday? Must have been a lie, after all the PS3 is a rocket ship! The Wii demand could cut in half and still be greater than the PS3 or 360. No, all 3 consoles are doing just fine.

I went home for thanksgiving and I wasn't in the house 10 minutes before 3 people asked if I brought the Wii again this year. No one asked me about the 360 or PS3. I got the thing out and everyone was playing it till the wii hours of the morning 3 nights in a row. We had an amazing time. It would have been really hard to keep that many people entertained with a "hardcore" console. Being a grown adult, I value the Wii for its ability to entertain such a wide range of people. We don't need 3 identical consoles on the market all for the core gamer. It just doesn't make any sense. The Wii does what it does better than the other 2 by far. Don't get me wrong, I love my 360 and my PS3, but the Wii is far more unique and special in many ways IMO. I just hope Nintendo stay true to their vision because otherwise, that would be a sad day.
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NeoAkira
12/01/09

@brass2themax:

How'd you get a star? Your post reeks of fanboyism.
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Vizion28
12/01/09

@subnet6: I think a lot of "hardcore" gamers have no clue about the gaming market and sales.

Remember when the elite hardcore gaming crowd derided the Wii when it was unveiled? And we all know how the successful the Wii turned out to be.

Or another example is Wii Fit. Remember when hardcore gamers laughed when it was first unveiled? Who is going to pay 90 bones for a bathroom scale they said. Well, it sold over 23 million (almost as many PS3s) and made a few sexy Youtube stars to boot.

Or how about the DS? Remember when the hardcore gamer elite said it will be "pwned" by the PSP because touch screen was gimmicky and it had weaker hardware? If you didn't know the DS is on track to surpass the PS2 in sales.

Or how about Wii Music? The most hated non-played game by hardcore gamers yet it still sold more than 2.7 million which is more than Little Big Planet and Killzone 2 sold.

To hardcore gamers if it doesn't reflect their narrow gaming taste and preferences it is bound to fail in their eyes. To them the gaming world should revolve around them dammit!
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karoc
12/01/09

@brass2themax: Once more I'll try to address this perception of Nintendo"abandoning the hardcore."

Gamecube:

Zelda: WW+TP, Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime 1+2, Smash Bros Melee, Pikmin 1+2

Wii:

Zelda: TP, Mario Galaxy 1+2, Metroid Prime 3, Metroid Other M, Smash Bros Brawl, New Super Mario Bros.

There's also the new Zelda game in development, and Pikmin 3 has been mentioned but I won't list that as for sure.

And if you want to bring up second-tier GC stuff like Star Fox or F-Zero GX, Nintendo fires right back with Wii exclusives like Sin and Punishment 2, Punch-Out etc.

Seriously, how has Nintendo done any worse this gen? What were all these first party games you were playing in the Gamecube days that Nintendo has stopped producing?
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brass2themax
12/01/09

@andresegers001: If you take into consideration the fact that certain developers *cough* EA *cough* have admitted that they are scaling back GAMES (to accompany this report of scaling back hardware) due to taking losses on software, yeah, I think it's showing an uncertain future on the horizon for the Wii. I'm not so surprised it sold well on Black Friday, but a lot of sales on Black Friday are also for the sake of... Black Friday. Things are marked down for really good deals. People don't *always* buy things on that day/weekend just because they genuinely want them... Sometimes it's just to get some good deals.
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brass2themax
12/01/09

@johnLD: It could have worked out well if you could have better control of the sword. I'm talking precise, real-time 1-to-1 tracking. All the Wii ended up doing in the end was recognizing ambiguous, vague flicks in approximate directions, not even counting depth.
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omgwtflolbbl
12/01/09

@brass2themax: Honestly, this is a terrible post. People don't realize that the Wii has seen plenty of "core" games from Nintendo this gen. We have 2 Marios, a Zelda, and a Metroid, with another Mario and Metroid on the way, over the span of three years. On the GC, we had Sunshine, MP 1+2, WW and TP over 4 years. The things that make it seem so "bad" is that 3rd parties have attached themselves to the notion that they can't make a serious game on the Wii and that Nintendo has also learned to cater to a wider audience. It has hardly detracted from the "core" games that they've made. Nintendo's first party support is just as good (better, probably) as the other 2 consoles; if you stripped all third party games away, the 360 and PS3 would be pretty bare as well. Nintendo has also included "casual" games, and they sold a lot because a lot of people liked them. People may have mixed feelings about Wii Fit, but for many it is a genuinely good motivator. "Hardcore" gamers may have mixed feelings about Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort, but for many these are a fuckload more fun than "pew pew, bang bang, blood splatter, yell a manly line, teabag".

As for TP... plenty of people enjoyed it on the Wii. May have been a bit easy, but it was definitely enjoyable. Anyone who takes a second to sit and think will realize that a Zelda game based entirely off of 1:1 swordfighting would be a ridiculous pain in the ass. It has nothing to do with ignoring fans. Hell, half the "hardcore" gamers complain that waggle is "too much work".
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brass2themax
12/01/09

@subnet6: I don't doubt the Wii is still doing well. When I said it was *starting* to tank, I really mean it was on a downwards decline. Perhaps the wording I used was too harsh. But seriously, when developers admit they are taking losses on software development for a console, and the manufacturer of the hardware tells the same story, obviously sales are on the decline, not on the rise. Hence my wording tankING... Developing a trend in that direction. In comparison to what it once sold, the Wii has slowed sales considerably, not counting Black Friday, as that highly skews the results of the average day when the console is the average price. Some people, I'm sure, grabbed a Wii just because it was a great deal for a very short period of time, and wanted to get the advantage of that so that they would not have any regrets later. It's like when I walk into a store and buy a really good anime. I get it because I don't want to go home wishing I did, but didn't. Not because I really want it so bad, but because of a fear that I may not spot it in that particular, convenient location again. Similar, though different idea I suppose.
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brass2themax
12/01/09

@NeoAkira: It appeared on my account one day, I never asked for it, nor do I even care about it. Stars are BS. But hey, it's not like it was my say. Blame the editor that gave it to me.
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spiderweb1986
12:06 AM

@brass2themax: f you take into consideration the fact that certain developers *cough* EA *cough* have admitted that they are scaling back GAMES (to accompany this report of scaling back hardware) due to taking losses on software, yeah, I think it's showing an uncertain future on the horizon for the Wii.

This has nothing to do, of course, with the fact that the studio in question made crappy titles like Spore Hero and Boogie.

I'm not so surprised it sold well on Black Friday, but a lot of sales on Black Friday are also for the sake of... Black Friday. Things are marked down for really good deals. People don't *always* buy things on that day/weekend just because they genuinely want them... Sometimes it's just to get some good deals.

...There are no words.
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brass2themax
12:14 AM

@karoc: I never said they abandoned us, it's just that the focus from the kids who grew up with them has obviously shifted more towards older people, and people much younger than our generation who they are trying to attract (newcomers). This is all good, but it also detracts from what we could be getting. I'm not trying to sound selfish, but in a way, I am, because Nintendo is a brand I want to like, but right now, just can't bring myself to buy into much anymore.

Instead of tennis games, brain games, golf games, and other miscellaneous "mini-games" (aka casual experiences), why couldn't they put more time into other things?

Some remakes of some classic Nintendo games I would kill to play would be:

- Adventure Island
- Battle Toads (hell yeah, it was on NES)
- Double Dragon
- Blades of Steel (imagine shooting a puck with the Wiimote)
- Castlevania (one can dream, right?)
- Contra (hell yeah)
- Demon Sword
- Duck Hunt (WHY NOT DONE?)
- Excite Bike
- Golgo 13
- Ice Climber
- Journey to Silius (This would rock)
- Kid Icarus
- Kirby's Adventure
- Lode Runner
- Paper Boy
- Rad Racer (You know you want it)
- River City Ransom
- Shinobi
- Smash TV (Who DOESN'T want this?)
- Twin Cobra
- Wrath of the Black Manta
- Xevious

I know you can't just focus on making remake games all the time, but Nintendo could have wowed a lot of us by doing some justice to some of the classic games we grew up with, by remaking them with new spins on the gameplay utilizing the Wiimote in some way. That's what I wanted when the Wii was announced. Heck, since the Gamecube was announed. Nintendo's last great console was the N64, but only for the move to 3D graphics. The NES and Super NES will always be the best Nintendo consoles. Why? Not because they were too awesome, but because Nintendo just isn't living up to them anymore.

Ask anyone who followed Sony from the start if their first console, the PSOne is regarded as the "best" console they ever made. No. Because they outdid it with the PS2, and BC made it a non-issue. They again outdid the PS2 (initially) with BC PS3's, which gave you everything you were used to, and more.

Nintendo, at least for this 23-year old who grew up with the brand since he was 5, has failed to impress me these last few years, save for a few, rare diamonds in the rough.
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brass2themax
12:26 AM

@spiderweb1986: I don't know if you understood what I meant, or if I should interpret that response as me being wrong in some way.

If someone told me I could get a Wii for, say $80 on Black Friday, and it normally retailed for (I don't know the real numbers), say, $150, I might buy one just because it's an incredible deal that doesn't make sense to miss out on. I might not really want the Wii as badly as the next guy, or I would already own it, but the price point is what pushes me just over the fence and makes me get it. I'm saying I believe a lot of people do shop that way, and Black Friday even tends to turn *some* people (though other do retain their sanity) into a shopping mob, simply hungry for whatever good stuff they can get for a good price. What it is they're getting doesn't matter as much as it would on any other random day of the year, when prices are higher and purchasing decisions are made with more care, and are less impulsive.
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Bouchart
12/01/09

In reply to Report: Nintendo Scaling Back Wii Production
This report is the final clue I needed. I'll put it through my secret Nintendo decoder ring that was forged using ancient sorcery, one hundred Wii peripherals and the eyes of one hundred people that were horribly blinded by the Virtual Boy. Let's see what it says here:

"Wii...HD...edition confirmed for 2011."

But wait, there's still some more left:

"No...EarthBound for America."
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Brain_Craters
12/01/09

@Bouchart: Does it say anything about the next Zelda?
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Bouchart
12/01/09

@Brain_Craters: It's a decoder ring, not a crystal ball. Geez.
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Demonbird
12/01/09

@Brain_Craters:
D... E...L...A...Y...
Oh Bugger, same thing it said for Twilight Princess for a long time.
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Terrorsaur - Five Six
12/01/09

In reply to DJ Hero Controller Now Sold By Its Lonesome
DJ Hero is not balanced for multiplayer.
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NightMystic
12/01/09

In reply to Report: Nintendo Scaling Back Wii Production
My brother in law just flew back to Houston today where he works at a place where they make chips for computers. Apparently their company is in a bid to create a new chip for Nintendo by July and according to him its a huge project being worked on. His company initially wanted to complete it by next October, but apparently Nintendo wants the chips by July.

Does this mean new Nintendo system in 2011?
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-MasterDex-
12/01/09

@NightMystic: An insider tip?! Tasty.

Luke, get on this and see what comes of it, we could see an early spec sheet coming our way!
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Ueziel
12/01/09

@NightMystic: Fall 2011 would be the time to do it. That's the normal 5 year cycle.
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Bouchart
12/01/09

In reply to Report: Nintendo Scaling Back Wii Production
Simple explanation:

People won't be buying as many Wiis after Christmastime.
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Orionsaint
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
Pretty soon the cases will be made of paper.
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Altima NEO
12/01/09

@Orionsaint: You forget the days of Genesis/SNES where games came in cardboard boxes
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Jakelshark
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
I didnt really notice till this past weekend when I picked up Forza 3 and Dragon Age Origins...so along with CoD thats three games right there

All I know is I hate them because they seem a lot harder to get the disc to pop out and they looked stupid
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AnthonyHasGame
12/01/09

@Jakelshark: Just punch the game out of the stupid hole in the case. Here, I made an illustration.
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Jakelshark
12/01/09

@AnthonyHasGame:

it looks like youre punching it out the wrong side, or the case is upside down

thanks anyways, and I felt like doing that anyways because it seemed like it would be fun to break it like that
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Random J
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
If anything, they should have hollowed out around where the area the disc is, to save any punctures or holes to the back of the casing that could possibly scratch / damage the disc. Or have the right hand side be hollow and spaced for the manual, and shove the game on the left.

*shrugs*

If you look after your games and are fortunate to get them brand new, then this new case design shouldn't matter. Because unless your using electric power drills to get a hold of your disc whilst the case is closed, or having sex with your cases - your discs should be fine and stay hole free.
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Ecks
12/01/09

@Random J: Damn it, now we're going to see pictures of guys with their penis going through these cases on 4chan. Thanks a lot.
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Random J
12/01/09

@Ecks: I will not be left to blame if these pictures do surface. *lol*
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Americo
12/01/09

@Random J: They WILL surface. If you mention it on the internet, Rule 34 will immediately take effect.
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Terrorsaur - Five Six
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
I am surprised at the amount of backlash the "going green" movement is receiving. If some of the comments in here are any indicator, its going to be one hell of a transition before we get anywhere near a perfectly ecofriendly society (or industry).
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Marios_shadow
12/01/09

@Terrorsaur - Five Six: There's no such thing.
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Terrorsaur - Five Six
12/01/09

@Marios_shadow: Not at the moment, no.

However, we are going to hit a point in this world where it will no longer be an option, but rather the only choice left to make, if we are to continue existing on this planet.

Although, that will probably not be reached within our lifetime.
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Tre_Green
12/01/09

@Terrorsaur - Five Six: Yea, Marios_shadow is right, there is no such thing as a perfect ecofriendly society. Infact, most of the eco friendly movement is just tricking people into buying more expensive products that really don't effect the planet in any significant way.

...and I'm not even a conspiracy theorist!
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(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!
12/01/09

@Tre_Green: You can have a society that produce waste that help the environment theoretically and that would be a ecofriendly society.
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TSFMfest
12/01/09

@(Zombie) D Mitsuki, Gotta have guts kid!: The most ecofriendly society we could achieve would be no society (read: no humans) whatsoever. As it is, I see no reason to believe that we won't continue on more or less the same course for several hundred years till we make the planet uninhabitable (for humans). Regardless, life will go on, and for far longer than our species ever will.
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AOClaus
12/01/09

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I got Modern Warfare 2 and noticed this new type of DVD case. I thought that they (Activision or Microsoft or whoever makes the cases) were just looking for a way to cut costs; it makes sense as an environmental measure as well.

I'm not really sure what all the complaining related to these cases is about. The chance that something is going to not only poke through the backside of the case, but poke through far enough to touch the disc is tiny. Seeing as how games are usually bundled in packs of about ten in a small cardboard box I'd say the chances of this happening during shipping are nil.

Current DVD cases aren't all that wonderful anyway. I've picked up a game many times and heard the disc rattling around in the case. Needless to say that game was quickly put down and another picked up. I've also had problems with getting games/movies out of DVD cases, and there have been times when I felt as though I would break the disc trying to get it out of the case.

And if the quality of game cases is such an issue I would expect a lot more PC gamers to be complaining. Although I'm sure many PC gamers have moved onto a digital distribution service, those who still buy a boxed copy of game often find their disc is protected by nothing more than a paper sleeve.

All in all I don't see any issues with this, if this helps to cut down on the amount of materials then I'm all for it. This is right in line with the "shrinkage" of the boxes PC games come in that happened a number of years ago.
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stranger
12/01/09

@AOClaus: The major area they select to eliminate from the new design is fundamentally detrimental to the functionality of the package itself.

Personally, I doesn't bother me much, but it seems to me that if they wanted to reduce packaging costs they'd simply make a smaller box. DVD cases are stupidly oversized as it is, so why not just reduce the height by 30% instead of putting holes in the box that expose the very thing it was designed to protect...

They do it this way, I would guess, because they don't have to invest in all new manufacturing equipment for making the boxes themselves. To me it's a half measure done half-assed.

It's not the end of the world, it's just stupid design.
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AOClaus
12/01/09

@stranger: I'm inclined to agree. I'm also inclined to agree with posts I saw below which stated that they should do away with manuals which would decrease costs, cut down on materials, and allow for the shrinkage of the game case.
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KaneRobot
12/01/09

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70 dollars when the game AND turntable is only about 15 bucks more on Amazon? ha!
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KaneRobot
12/01/09

In reply to Changing Video Game Cases Go For The Green
I miss my Earth-killing packaging.
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