this is good stuff but personally, I don't care. I seem to remember a similar story for GT. Turn 10 stepped up to the plate for sure but I still prefer GT to Forza. GTPSP has me very excited for GT5. #forzamotorsports3
Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson's attempt at comparing GT to real life driving gives you a pretty good conclusion.
As good as you are in a realistic game like Forza or GT, the fact that you care about your life will make you much slower in real life. #forzamotorsports3
@I Sl0th I: Driving assists are your friend. use them and disable them one by one until you feel comfortable. Forza 2 was exactly the same way. #forzamotorsports3
@I Sl0th I: Lol. I understand. Sims are a tough nut to crack though and there are enough options to keep it challenging, so go crazy. #forzamotorsports3
@I Sl0th I: At the same time it's good to keep in mind that many of the assists like ASM and traction control are often turned on in real cars too so turning them off isn't going to make the cars handle any more "real" but rather just add to the challenge of controlling them. #forzamotorsports3
That's 1/10th of a second, not 1/1000th. It'd still be pretty freakish if he managed that with the same real car twice though, so maybe he got it after a whole day in Forza 3? #forzamotorsports3
@fuchikoma: It seems there are a couple of invisible replies to this... Kotaku didn't notify me, and I have everything set to be as visible as possible, but I can't see a thing. Bunedoggle sent a couple notifications though...
@marklip: You're right. I was just looking at decimal places and not paying attention to the time, haha
@Poul Wrist: I followed WRC and MotoGP pretty regularly for a while. There's a big difference between lapping within a few seconds and lapping within 0.2 of a second. If everyone were that consistent, there would be no reason to race - mistakes happen, as do unusually great laps.
I'm just saying it's not too likely he just sat down on the Forza sim rig, ran a lap, and it came out so close to his race time - but if he were racing all afternoon, he may have gone "hey, that one was close to my real time!" I'd expect to apply the same standard to Gran Turismo, or even an actual car. #forzamotorsports3
That realism works only to one direction, from real life to game, at least what I recall from the times it has been tested with GT series. You can get same time in the game you got on actual track, but grinding a time in the game and trying to hit that on track has not been successful. You can do most outrageous breaking and speeds in corners in game as you don't need to care for your life. #forzamotorsports3
I think what Turn 10 has done for the racing genre is quite amazing. They've really tried to bring in new players with assists, race lines and the new rewind feature. At the same time the hardcore racing fans that make up the bread and butter of the Forza community are still the most important part. I mean getting pro racers to come and test it out, and have them say its a perfect representation of what they do must feel very satisfying at the end of the day. #forzamotorsports3
Anyways, it's great to see how physics in games are improving so much so, that real life skills are crossing over so well into virtual spaces. #forzamotorsports3
@E-ROLE: Yes there was a similar story with Gran Turismo. Was pretty recently too. But that just means Turn-10/Microsoft is doing their job: match or one-up their competitor. #forzamotorsports3
anyone else find this an awfully suspicious move? - requires a code for the DLC
more like helping microsoft flag potential pirates - going online, but not downloading the DLC?
not sayin they gonna ban ppl for not downloading ti, but its one of the "red flags" and combined with other factors = pirato
@gothamdarkknight: Suspicious? You're saying that like all that would be bad things. If you support the gaming industry, you should support a move like that. Piracy = bad.
But this is most likely just to encourage people to buy new copies over used, which is something else you should be doing if you want to support the companies you buy your games from.
@Poul Wrist: Thats an interesting stance you have taken. Personally, if I can get 3 PS3 games for $60 instead of 1 PS3 game for $60 I'm sure as hell going to do it.
@L___E___T: Pirates are not cancer, they are innovators, without pirates keeping the public interest on old games via roms it is very unlikely that we would have seen Sonic (megadrive version) appear on the current set of consoles.
If a guy was too poor to buy Gears of War so he pirated it - found out how awesome it is and is now going to buy Gears of War 2 - the developer is a lot better off than if he skipped Gears 1 because people don't often jump into stories half way through.
Let's relate that to TV Shows. If someone missed the first 5 seasons of Lost and can't afford the box sets, pirating them in time to watch season 6 would benefit Lost because they would get better ratings than if that person just tuned into something else.
Let's relate it to the music industry. How many students are too poor to keep up with the music scene, now consider how many students sell out huge festivals and buy all the merchandise thus spreading the word.
Piracy has its pro's and its con's.
As for the other argument, gamespot help fund a lot of games but if you really don't want to support them buy from tesco.
Turn 10? How about Turn 11, cause they take it up that extra notch!
/or maybe not... anyway, anyone else hate the Sidewinder tracks as much as me? The *worst* series to complete was the American muscle one where you had to take our ginormous beasts we call cars and run them around that stupid track. Soooooo much frustration trying to make a 2005 Dodge Charger turn...
I sent in a tip to Kotaku awhile back, but if you really like Forza 3 and driving Sims... Amazon.com has the Ultimate Forza 3 racing wheel/seat combo...
@Benny: no, you thought you'd make some money every time someone clicked the link to see what it was, and then happened to buy something else while at amazon. You're a spammer, not a do gooder in the community trying to point out a cool product.
@What The Geek: I do not work for Amazon.com...I do however have their awesome credit card though... this link was shown when I clicked on amazon.com - electronics - video games... it is an add on the right side of that page and I just linked it for convenience because it is pretty damned hidden on Amazon's website. I don't even know of any affiliate programs amazon offers. I apologize for the misunderstanding you got from this. Next time I will just type the deal details out and you can just dig for it.
The full reason I posted it in this post is because I sent this in as a tip to Kotaku awhile back but never saw it posted anywhere so since this topic is relevant I thought it would be nice to share.
Apologies to all that I offended with sharing knowledge =/
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If you don't care, why on earth are you commenting on this article? #forzamotorsports3
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is that ok with you gunluva? #forzamotorsports3
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NO.
Okay, yeah, it's fine. #forzamotorsports3
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As good as you are in a realistic game like Forza or GT, the fact that you care about your life will make you much slower in real life. #forzamotorsports3
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I love racing games and I'll be getting this one for sure but I always find solace in the fact that they have some kind of arcade feel to them.
With Forza, not so much. It feels real. The consequences for minor mistakes equate to major wipeouts.
I just don't think I can hang. #forzamotorsports3
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Old school gamer though, hate the word "assist". #forzamotorsports3
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"Dear God I can't control it!!! WAAAH!" *crash* *bang* #forzamotorsports3
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It never occurred to the F3 devs to separate the game-oriented driving assists from the actual vehicle hardware. #forzamotorsports3
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@marklip: You're right. I was just looking at decimal places and not paying attention to the time, haha
@Poul Wrist: I followed WRC and MotoGP pretty regularly for a while. There's a big difference between lapping within a few seconds and lapping within 0.2 of a second. If everyone were that consistent, there would be no reason to race - mistakes happen, as do unusually great laps.
I'm just saying it's not too likely he just sat down on the Forza sim rig, ran a lap, and it came out so close to his race time - but if he were racing all afternoon, he may have gone "hey, that one was close to my real time!" I'd expect to apply the same standard to Gran Turismo, or even an actual car. #forzamotorsports3
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Anyways, it's great to see how physics in games are improving so much so, that real life skills are crossing over so well into virtual spaces. #forzamotorsports3
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more like helping microsoft flag potential pirates - going online, but not downloading the DLC?
not sayin they gonna ban ppl for not downloading ti, but its one of the "red flags" and combined with other factors = pirato
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But this is most likely just to encourage people to buy new copies over used, which is something else you should be doing if you want to support the companies you buy your games from.
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But the full list of cars is already on Jalopnik.
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"a special code inside every new copy of Forza 3"
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Used games sales feed into new games sales. Pirates are just a cancer.
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If a guy was too poor to buy Gears of War so he pirated it - found out how awesome it is and is now going to buy Gears of War 2 - the developer is a lot better off than if he skipped Gears 1 because people don't often jump into stories half way through.
Let's relate that to TV Shows. If someone missed the first 5 seasons of Lost and can't afford the box sets, pirating them in time to watch season 6 would benefit Lost because they would get better ratings than if that person just tuned into something else.
Let's relate it to the music industry. How many students are too poor to keep up with the music scene, now consider how many students sell out huge festivals and buy all the merchandise thus spreading the word.
Piracy has its pro's and its con's.
As for the other argument, gamespot help fund a lot of games but if you really don't want to support them buy from tesco.
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/or maybe not... anyway, anyone else hate the Sidewinder tracks as much as me? The *worst* series to complete was the American muscle one where you had to take our ginormous beasts we call cars and run them around that stupid track. Soooooo much frustration trying to make a 2005 Dodge Charger turn...
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The full reason I posted it in this post is because I sent this in as a tip to Kotaku awhile back but never saw it posted anywhere so since this topic is relevant I thought it would be nice to share.
Apologies to all that I offended with sharing knowledge =/