also, japan will cease analog television broadcast altogether on january 1st, 2011. so nintendo will likely release an HD console around then.
they've had ads running on television with gradually increasing frequency for three years now informing people that they won't be able to use their analog TVs to watch television after that fateful date.
it would be so cool if the new year's eve countdown hit "zero" and then suddenly a huge color-bars screen came up with an announcer's voice going, "if you'd like to view the rest of this broadcast, please purchase a high-definition television, asshole!"
this is worth noting because, you know, the people who play the wii for stuff like wii fit are also the kind of people to watch and believe they actually enjoy the shit that's on japanese TV. and, one by one, they're being convinced to buy HDTVs with the same gusto that an american applies to, say, paying his or her taxes.
@tim rogers:
I have bad news. Ceasing analog broadcast has little to do with if an HD anything will be released. In fact, the difference is that the broadcast will now be digital. High Definition is just a side effect. We'll probably have to wait for next gen for an HD Nintendo console.
In summary: A change in terrestrial broadcast standards, from analog to digital, doesn't mean a change in closed circuit video electronics resolution. Especially mid generation. #wii
however, the people don't seem to know that. the commercials that have been running on japanese television rather explicitly state, "from january 1st, 2011, you will no longer be able to use your analog TV". i mean, that's literally what they say. #wii
"The full response is an intimidating wall of text, from Takeda, Miyamoto and Nintendo president Satoru Iwata, one that may be designed to confuse rather than inform. If you can decipher it, let us know what their plans are, OK? Thanks."
wait, a japanese-owned company releasing an extra-wordy statement intended to confuse, rather than inform? when did they start doing such things?
lol, etc.
i have read through the wall of text, right now, while drinking something containing taurine, creatine, and caffeine (it's how i get my pump in the gym), and i have filtered the text-wall through my inner double-strong text-wall filter (layer one: ability to write incomprehensible walls of text myself; layer two: eight years' experience as a "japanese salaryman").
now calculating the answer to the question "will nintendo release an HD console / HD content?"
please hold
okay. answer computed:
"yes. just, not, like, tomorrow, or anything." #wii
Join who? Not "us". You maybe. I'm a TV luddite. I've seen HDTVs, I've watched sports on them, I've played games on them. It looks nice, but HDTVs just aren't worth the money. The resolution doesn't impress me, but the broader aspect ratio is nice.
I'm not saying I don't see the difference, I'm just saying the difference isn't enough to make me care about it. #wii
At this point, HDTVs are far less expensive than were large cathode ray tube or projection tvs in the past. The part about the resolution, well, I just assume you don't have eyes, then. #wii
@Strangelove: Right now the only thing that seems worth using HDTV's for is video gaming. HD movies can be nice, but SD movies generally have enough tweaking behind them to be really nice too. And actual High Definition television feeds are such junk they should be sued. #wii
Blu Ray, if you have a tv that supports 1080p 24hz mode, looks amazing, better than HD movies on demand. It's staggering, like watching a fucking play -- the motion is so smooth and believable, I just can't wrap my head around it. #wii
Im more concerned with Nintendo keeping itself focused as a videogames developer and not a hollywood-wannabe "game manufacturer" like the competition.
One of the things I find so endearing about the Wii is the fact that the good software has a certain feeling and charm to it that NOTHING on the 360 or PS3 have, with the one exception being 3D Dot Heroes on PS3.
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. This industry is treading dangerous waters right now and eventually we're going to be at a point where real videogames no longer exist because of. #wii
@Bubbleman!: That's strange, because I've personally found all the Wii's offerings devoid of life or endearment. The first time I played LittleBigPlanet, a nostalgic rush of charm came to me that had not come since the N64 days. Being a non-Nintendo gamer today I'm not suffering of any lack of Nintendo-like feeling and charm on the games I'm playing
Generic Hollywood-esque games on the 360/PS3 may be a dime a dozen, but that doesn't mean they're the only things they have. #wii
@RockyRan: LBP left me scratching my head. The physics were overbearing and the mish mash of user created content and the stock stuff that was on the disc left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. 2D games do not need 3D models or physics, especially with how LBP used them, they make the controls feel floaty and less twitch-like.You won't find me playing the next COD or God of War game either, because I don't really consider them videogames, more like "interactive cinema". I don't want to be forced thru a 20 minute cutscene or training tutorial when playing a new game, it's not something I had to deal with 10-20 years ago and quite honestly, if I pick up a game and I can't start playing right away because of the aformentioned nonsense, I'll turn it off immediately.If I want a story, well, that's why JRPGs exist. I don't give a shit about Krato's struggle with the gods or any of that crap. I just want to kill dudes and look cool doing it. If I want to watch a good movie, I'll watch a good movie. I want to put a game in, maybe see a quick 10-20 second cutscene ala Ninja Gaiden, and get to kicking ass and blowing shit up. Hell, when was the last time a truly memorable videogame soundtrack came out? I really can't remember. So many games these days are focused on environmental ambience in their scores that the art of game music is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Once again, this is not why I started playing games. Can you imagine playing a Megaman game where there is no solid melody, just a slight piece of music fading in and out and eventually reaching a climax, only to repeat?I can't. And on the subject of the Wii, to each their own. I've gotten more fun and enjoyment out of Nintendo's 1st party stuff on the Wii than I have on anything for the 360 or PS3. I don't need 1080p super mega-budget AAA hollywood masterpieces to get my gaming fix, because those aren't really videogames, theyre just really advanced QTE.When we hit photo-realism in the next 10 years a lot of you are going to be left scratching your heads and fiending for the next "high". Sadly, you're not going to get it (unless real virtual 3D worlds where you can touch/smell/see become reality).Me? I'll be chilling with my drunken gamer friends, playing stuff like Mega Man and Streets of Rage, and I'll love it just as much as I do now. #wii
I'm so damn sick of hearing "HD" in every other sentence these days. I hope Nintendo does make the "jump" to "HD" soon just so that maybe we can stop hearing everyone complain about it. I mean, the games will look indistinguishably the same, but it'll have a sticker on the box that says "HD" so everyone can finally shut up about it.
EDIT: Oh and this goes for other types of media too. Not until every SDTV is gone off the face of the earth, and every movie is on Bluray, will we stop hearing the term "HD" finally. Also, it'll stop people from buying crappy movies (Transformers, Speed Racer) just because they "look good in HD."
@dowingba: Correction: We'll stop hearing about it until the NEXT HD-format is released. Keep in mind, we're already on our second "HD-revolution" since the dawn of television. #wii
@Kyuu: That's my point. The first "HD revolution" ended when everyone had (what we now call) SDTVs. And we didn't hear the word again until many decades later. #wii
If the "Wii HD" becomes a reality, my sincere hope is that the console features more than just increased horsepower. Otherwise, there are not many advantages for either consumers or developers to support the system.
I would love to see the wii's graphics up there with their competitors. It would make the worlds of Nintendo soooooo much more awe striking and engaging. #wii
When Nintendo goes HD with Wii or creates a new platform entirely, I hope the Virtual Console carries over. I plan on purchasing a Nintendo console in the next year. (It's probably good that I wait until next year) #wii
@excel_excel: Prepare to be pissed! Since your purchases are tied to your console and not to any account (like PSN or XBL), there will be no way to transfer those purchases.
There isn't even a method for transferring them to other Wiis now.
And from Nintendo's track record of not introducing new features to the wii post-launch, the idea that you are going to be able to sign up for a nintendo account on the Wii, have it link your purchases for migration to the new solution...
@Rebochan: Your reply is misleading, I think. They do this as part of a repair process, but they do not "transfer" your games as such, they re-install the licenses for those games on a new install/wii.
Unless you know something I don't, the only way your Wii knows you have bought something or not is a hidden ticket that gets installed the moment you purchase something from the wii store: There is no nintendo-side record keeping for which account or which wii bought something.
This is why VC/WiiWare piracy flourishes: You just fake-install the ticket. #wii
@nago: We do all have console badging IDs. AKA our excessively long Wii codes... and we CAN redownload the games. Soooo, methinks you didn't think your post through. #wii
@cablebfg: Nono. That's not how it works. the games are encrypted with your individual key; those are per-wii, but those don't track or authenticate purchases: this is just the mechanism that makes sure you can't copy the files off of your wii's NAND and install them elsewhere.
The only mechanism that actually authenticates purchases is a per-title "ticket". These tickets are installed on machines when you purchase the title from the wiishop: These authentication tickets aren't tied to your "account", they're tied to your Wii- NOT your Wii's Serial number, either.
There is no server-side authentication and no method post-purchase to verify or authenticate a purchase. This is precisely why piracy is a big problem for VC/WiiWare: All you have to do is install the ticket, and you can download the game straight from nintendo's servers. Nintendo has no other apparent means of validating purchases.
So if a new console comes out, how do they distinguish between which games on your HDD are ones you paid for, and which ones aren't?
There are a lot of logistics to consider in how they're going to import your DLC to a new system ... because they don't have some PSN/XBL account system, or something like steam. It's all very non-central and temporal. #wii
@nago:
Thank you for showing my ignorance to the world. I shall go cry in a corner as my precious Mario Kart 64 will have to be re-purchased on the next Nintendo console... AGAIN. :'( #wii
@cablebfg: Well, I can happily tell you that I will be glad to be proven wrong!
I don't think it's fair, either.
Nintendo needs to come up with a PSN equivalent here: A single nintendo account that you can use between the Handheld and Console, that tracks and authenticates purchases.
So you can move all of your stuff if your system breaks, You can sell your console and keep your stuff, You can (potentially) import your DLC to newer consoles ...
Now, Nintendo may still have some tricks up their sleeves to thwart pirates and securely import Paid DLC, but I just don't know what that will be. All I know is that there is no pre-existing framework to allow them to do it. #wii
Why don't they use some quasi res that's below 720p and above SD. A good example of this is MW2 which renders at 600p (1024x600) on the PS3 and X360. Nobody seems to mind that res. #wii
I have a feeling a WiiHD will come in a year or two, but instead of being a completely next-gen console it'll just be a top-tier Wii sku. All games, controllers, and accessories will be cross-compatible, with new Wii games being capable of being played in SD on a regular Wii or in HD with the WiiHD. #wii
@TheHeeyyy: I can see this happening too. Nintendo's going to be hard pressed to repeat the Wii's success, so they'll squeeze as much out of it as they can. #wii
As I remember it, Iwata went on record saying that Nintendo would definitely go HD with their next system because it would have high enough penetration to be the correct time for it. And I'm pretty sure he said that like at least a year ago. #wii
11/05/09
they've had ads running on television with gradually increasing frequency for three years now informing people that they won't be able to use their analog TVs to watch television after that fateful date.
it would be so cool if the new year's eve countdown hit "zero" and then suddenly a huge color-bars screen came up with an announcer's voice going, "if you'd like to view the rest of this broadcast, please purchase a high-definition television, asshole!"
this is worth noting because, you know, the people who play the wii for stuff like wii fit are also the kind of people to watch and believe they actually enjoy the shit that's on japanese TV. and, one by one, they're being convinced to buy HDTVs with the same gusto that an american applies to, say, paying his or her taxes.
so. #wii
11/06/09
I have bad news. Ceasing analog broadcast has little to do with if an HD anything will be released. In fact, the difference is that the broadcast will now be digital. High Definition is just a side effect. We'll probably have to wait for next gen for an HD Nintendo console.
In summary: A change in terrestrial broadcast standards, from analog to digital, doesn't mean a change in closed circuit video electronics resolution. Especially mid generation. #wii
11/06/09
however, the people don't seem to know that. the commercials that have been running on japanese television rather explicitly state, "from january 1st, 2011, you will no longer be able to use your analog TV". i mean, that's literally what they say. #wii
11/05/09
wait, a japanese-owned company releasing an extra-wordy statement intended to confuse, rather than inform? when did they start doing such things?
lol, etc.
i have read through the wall of text, right now, while drinking something containing taurine, creatine, and caffeine (it's how i get my pump in the gym), and i have filtered the text-wall through my inner double-strong text-wall filter (layer one: ability to write incomprehensible walls of text myself; layer two: eight years' experience as a "japanese salaryman").
now calculating the answer to the question "will nintendo release an HD console / HD content?"
please hold
okay. answer computed:
"yes. just, not, like, tomorrow, or anything." #wii
11/05/09
I'm not saying I don't see the difference, I'm just saying the difference isn't enough to make me care about it. #wii
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At this point, HDTVs are far less expensive than were large cathode ray tube or projection tvs in the past. The part about the resolution, well, I just assume you don't have eyes, then. #wii
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Blu Ray, if you have a tv that supports 1080p 24hz mode, looks amazing, better than HD movies on demand. It's staggering, like watching a fucking play -- the motion is so smooth and believable, I just can't wrap my head around it. #wii
11/05/09
One of the things I find so endearing about the Wii is the fact that the good software has a certain feeling and charm to it that NOTHING on the 360 or PS3 have, with the one exception being 3D Dot Heroes on PS3.
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. This industry is treading dangerous waters right now and eventually we're going to be at a point where real videogames no longer exist because of. #wii
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Generic Hollywood-esque games on the 360/PS3 may be a dime a dozen, but that doesn't mean they're the only things they have. #wii
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EDIT: Oh and this goes for other types of media too. Not until every SDTV is gone off the face of the earth, and every movie is on Bluray, will we stop hearing the term "HD" finally. Also, it'll stop people from buying crappy movies (Transformers, Speed Racer) just because they "look good in HD."
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Were you trying to be ironic by including "HD" in every other sentence? #wii
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There isn't even a method for transferring them to other Wiis now.
And from Nintendo's track record of not introducing new features to the wii post-launch, the idea that you are going to be able to sign up for a nintendo account on the Wii, have it link your purchases for migration to the new solution...
Lookin' pretty slim, fellers. #wii
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Unless you know something I don't, the only way your Wii knows you have bought something or not is a hidden ticket that gets installed the moment you purchase something from the wii store: There is no nintendo-side record keeping for which account or which wii bought something.
This is why VC/WiiWare piracy flourishes: You just fake-install the ticket. #wii
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The only mechanism that actually authenticates purchases is a per-title "ticket". These tickets are installed on machines when you purchase the title from the wiishop: These authentication tickets aren't tied to your "account", they're tied to your Wii- NOT your Wii's Serial number, either.
There is no server-side authentication and no method post-purchase to verify or authenticate a purchase. This is precisely why piracy is a big problem for VC/WiiWare: All you have to do is install the ticket, and you can download the game straight from nintendo's servers. Nintendo has no other apparent means of validating purchases.
So if a new console comes out, how do they distinguish between which games on your HDD are ones you paid for, and which ones aren't?
There are a lot of logistics to consider in how they're going to import your DLC to a new system ... because they don't have some PSN/XBL account system, or something like steam. It's all very non-central and temporal. #wii
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Thank you for showing my ignorance to the world. I shall go cry in a corner as my precious Mario Kart 64 will have to be re-purchased on the next Nintendo console... AGAIN. :'( #wii
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I don't think it's fair, either.
Nintendo needs to come up with a PSN equivalent here: A single nintendo account that you can use between the Handheld and Console, that tracks and authenticates purchases.
So you can move all of your stuff if your system breaks, You can sell your console and keep your stuff, You can (potentially) import your DLC to newer consoles ...
Now, Nintendo may still have some tricks up their sleeves to thwart pirates and securely import Paid DLC, but I just don't know what that will be. All I know is that there is no pre-existing framework to allow them to do it. #wii
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