This week, we learned the whole messy story of what really happened to Destiny. But how often does that sort of thing happen in the games industry? Let’s discuss.

Today on Kotaku Splitscreen, we’re joined by Amazon Game Studios’ Kim Swift, best known as the lead designer of games like Portal and Quantum Conundrum. Kirk and I talk to her about how hard it is to make video games, how stories like this seem to happen all the time, and what it’s like to be an EXTREME ATHLETE. (Kim is an extreme athlete.)

We also try to probe Kim for Amazon secrets, talk about Danganronpa and The Witcher 3, and explain why you need to be depraved if you want to be a good journalist.

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