masterspy4

use some common sense next time.......

also:

@VegetarianMeat: Did you even look at the drums for GH: worldtour? they will ahve 3 drums, 2 cymbals, and a bass drum pedal. Rockband drums would not be supported, rock band equipment sucks anyway.....
ive compared the GGH:# guitar, and rockband guitar, and GH is better. Peple know RB guitars dont have the same strum capacity. This one is gonna be better than rockband. And rockband probably wont need to make a sequel if it keeps dishing out DLCs, seriously.

masterspy4

use some common sense people......

masterspy4

Konstrix

See how that works?

@Rbastid: If I may add one thing, there's no denying that the Eagles are talented (again, see Hotel Cali). My issue with them is that they tried too hard to be commercial and settled for that AOR/MOR sound that sold records, but was in no way challenging or exciting (again IMHO).

In my mind, they were the Wii shovelware of the 70's and 80's. As we all know, shovelware sells to some people.

Is my opinion complete bullshit to you? Probably. I just wanted to share it as inoffensively as I'm capable of.

As a matter of fact, let's just go the extra mile and say my opinion is wrong in advance. ;)

Billkwando

Yeah, it's totally never been done before, except by Drummania, BUT WE'LL PRETEND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT SO WE CAN LOOK COOL K?

WiseOldUnicorn

PollockRoc

ShyamalaMoneypenny

JustOneFix

I'd chart that in a heartbeat (well the techno dub, anyway, not the album cut)! Sadly, didn't they say no vocals in the maker-thingy?

@y2julio: Very well said. He doth protest too much.

VeeKaChu

boopadoo

y2julio

Damn, tell him why you really feel! LOL. Yeah I also noticed there is a real smug attitude with alot of people who say "Just learn how to play a real guitar". If anything I do want to learn to play real guitar but im 26, recently married, just bought a home and don't have alot of the time I used to. Plus I have a ton of other expensive hobbies that take up what little free time I have. Playing Rockband and GH series gives you instant gratification, sort of like instead of me dating a girl, getting to know her, build a foundation I just paid a hooker to blow me no strings attached :)

Oh and when do my lessons start Obi Wan?

ichiban1081

y2julio

dslsd64

I don't give a shit who develops a game. I just pick the one I like better. But fortunately, I feel a little less dirty choosing the one whose developers are actually trying to impress me rather than banking on the idea I couldn't possibly want to do anything other than bow down and worship them for mapping DDR directions to a fake plastic controller.

Bobby McPresscott

I'm not just flat-out selling a $160 investment for at most half of what I paid for, so get something I know almost nothing about which could be twice as expensive for all I know.

I find it scary, however, that it's only been a year since GH3 came out; seriously, what the FUCK?! Am I being negative for thinking a game that seems as half-assed as this is will be HALF-ASSED?! Everything seems so thrown together, just to trump Rock Band at features, but will they work well? I'm doubting it at this point. With supposedly the biggest setlist, will they have time to get all those songs working to perfection while getting these features to work as well?

I'm not making any hopes for DLC after those empty promises and the big letdown that was GH3. I definitley see big potential in this game. If Activision wasn't so obsessed with money, this could turn out good, with time these features could be made to actually beat Rock Band, and they could make a truly good game that wasn't rushed to completion to cash in on the Guitar Hero/Rock Band craze before it drops. Releasing this soon after GH:Aerosmith is clearly just to pick the market up a little before smacking them in the face with this new GH.

It's so annoying how they're milking a once great franchise into a crappy shell of it's former self and what it imitates. And to think they're going to do this to the fantastic Call of Duty franchise, expect to see several side things of those every year with just plain SHITTY numbered iterations every year. Go damn it.

NachoDude

It's a game. I play it for instant gratification. In a couple days I can score big points in front of thousands of screaming fans. I don't have the time, inclination, or talent to do that with a real guitar... which I CAN play a bit. BTW.

Slothboy

:o

@NeoAkira:
It's the same studio that did GH3 for the Wii.

Red_Maniac

Rob Phelps

solar_tf

solar_tf

Only person allowed to hate the Eagles is the dude, and we all know where the got him.

Rbastid

I've been outranched! Damn you all!

Seriously though, we all like what we like. Just having a little tongue-in-cheek fun with you guys.

I like Indigo Girls, John Frusciante, Tom Waits, Seal (older stuff) and a bunch of other stuff that would probably send you guys running for the hills.

I just happen to hate the Eagles (except for Hotel Cali) and enjoy ribbing people who do like them on occasion.

No hard feelings. ;)

/troll mode

Billkwando

Mommar

grimbeaver

I guess I'm just groping for understanding as to all the real musician/fake musician hate going on here.

MasterYong

Oh, and if Nyko or some other 3rd party doesn't release a cymbal plug-in attachment for the Rock Band drum kit, consider me an avoider of this game.

It's not that I don't think it'll be a good game, it's just the simple economics - I just plunked down $170 for a complete Rock Band experience, plus another $20+ on extra songs, plus $60 for another guitar. I'm not going to then trade all of that in because I need to get an entire new drum kit for Guitar Hero, not to mention that the Strat STILL is incompatible with Guitar Hero.

Plus, music creation may be interesting. BUT, I guarantee that the songs you'll find out there fall under one of these categories:
1. Song by original artist implemented poorly by a fan. (Non-quantized drums, incorrect chords, incorrect lyrics, etc.)
2. Song created by the hardcore "Score Hero" player that is just impossible to play by the casual fan and, also, not fun.
3. Original song by a group that just isn't good.

This also doesn't take into consideration the downloading of created songs. Do you pay? If you pay, then does the creator get paid too, as they rightfully should? If songs are free, how can you legally exchange songs that are the property of someone else without compensation? We're not talking about Brawl stages here, people - there are actual laws that govern this kind of stuff!

Phoenicks

dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased

Rock songs thats mention ranching

"King Harvest" by the Band

Rbastid

Mommar

Ummm yeah 2 of those songs mentioned have farm references so lets go on fact, not your dumb little quote.

You Quote Tom Waits but try to talk of Rock and Roll, Funk 49 is a Rock and Roll song, Rocky Mountain Way is a rock and roll song, Tom Waits has....Jazz songs.

Rbastid

brunoflipper

VegetarianMeat

Faux country music, however, is not. Please show me another "rock" song (not by the shitbirds) that makes reference to ranching.

Please.

Billkwando

You talking about progressive metal? then yeah sure, but music is not all so complicated

As Falsoman said (and BTW les luthiers is awesome, even better when you go to a concert, good music and hilarious to boot) it doesnt really matter what instrument you use, and besides what IS an instrument, what are the qualifications for an instument? dows it have to be complicated? what about the triangle is it not an instrument because it can do just a limited variety of sounds?. What truly matters is the end result, I dont care if you decide to use the sounds of different sizes of turds beign squished, as long as the resulting sound is good (hell Im sure Bjork would do something like that just for the hell of it).

But in the end its all going to be moot, perhaps not in GH:WT but maybe later when the music tools are more mature, if people start making good music and REAL bands with their own music start appearing (and become known) then it this stupid argument about instruments and music will stop.

For the time beign I will enjoy the games and have fun, and in the end that IS the goddamn point having fun, either playing GH or RB or learning to make and compose music on classical instruments. If somene learned to play an instrument just so he could have a reason to despise less iluminated people instead of having fun following his passion, then Im sorry he is not a musician he is an asshole.

Soleyu

Rock and Roll isn't this moronic shit you people listen to, Shit like Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance aren't rock then.

I guess you wouldn't think Carl perkins, Les Paul or Elvis to be rock either would you?

Jackson Brown, Buddy Holly, Bo Diddly, hell even much of the stones stuff wouldn't be considered rock by people who have such narrow idea of music. Rock covers many genres of music.

Rbastid

Cripplor

t3hye11owdart

KID-A26

Smidget

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

juicemaster23

Billkwando

Ok Hotel California, Take it Easy, Life in the Fast Lane, Desperado, Peaceful Easy Feeling, Witchy Woman, Tequila Sunrise, Best of My love, One of these Nights.

Hmm thats some funny ONE hit wondering.

Not to mention the greatest hits record rocks back and forth between the #1 and #2 spots for most records sold all time.

Not to mention solo these guys have gone on to do great things, Saying Joe Walsh isn't rock is like saying a guitar isn't an instrument its a anal fixture.

You show you don't know item number 1 about Rock, High Chances you think Johny Cash is also Robert Duvall's son.

Rbastid

JustFrozen

All of the character, guitar, and logo/album manipulation is extraneous to the core of the game. Which is the music, the experience as a band, and the ability to compose.

However, as many have said...I have already purchased Rock Band and a number of downloadable songs (which I cannot get rid of by any means)

Therefore I will await RB2 (or whatever they call it) which will likely take the compositional element and implement it to a greater degree.

GH may be doing it first, but HMX has shown they have the ability to do it better.

TRT-X

Let's not forget that this was all promised with HMX, MTV, EA, and RB.

Remember how we were supposedly going to be able to design characters, logos, and then put it all together and order posters, shirts, etc (including FIGURES of our in-game characters) from the official site?

TRT-X

Well if the Music Studio option is like a simplified version of Guitar Pro then it can actually be a very robust music creation tool.

I'm actually a little worried that another studio is doing the Wii Version. I don't want this to end up like the steaming pile of crap that is Rock Band for the Wii.

NeoAkira

We'll probably see our first over Quint-Chord.

TRT-X

If I can't use the Rock Band peripherals with this game, I'm not buying it.

Thank you and good day.

mva5580

"I don't like the Eagles. They're about as exciting as watching paint dry. Their albums are good for keeping the dust off your turntable and that's about all.

Those guys grew up in L.A. and they don't have cow-shit on their boots - they just got dog shit from Laurel Canyon. They wouldn't last two minutes in Putnam County, that's for sure. If somebody gets shot and killed there on a Saturday night, the Sunday papers say he just died of natural causes!"
-Tom Waits (songwriter, "Ol' 55")

Yeah, I'm going with Tom Waits' interpretation.

Billkwando

Note: pick axes are not an acceptable substitute for drumsticks

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

teh_joe

No matter how basic the medium is, if it can do multiple tones/rythms and there's a method to it, "real" music can be made on it. Hell, real musicians CAN make music based on anything. Being simple or complex depends on the software and musician hability and the number of parties involved on the performance, nothing else. But it is still real music.

The fact that this music is gonna be any good is up to the composer and each and every person's opinion, nothing else. I can't give that many examples, but you just search for music made by "Les Luthiers". Those are very real musicians that make very academic stuff and make a lot of parodies (in spanish, sorry) but their music is incredibly complex most of the time. And many of it is made with instruments that they created based on cans of food, toilet seats, barrells and a lot of stuff like that. One of the biggest virtues of any form of art is that it impulses you to EXPERIMENT with oddities to make your visions be represented. Shutting down anything just because you are the real deal and can't understand it is pain dumb.

Back on topic. I haven't bought rock band, and now i think i'm gonna wait to see how this guitar hero turns out. Since i started late with these games (GHIII) i don't have as many grypes as other people with any of the series, so let's wait and see. The music creation tool interests me a lot, it will be fun to see how it goes and see what creative people can do with it.

Falsoman

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

IvoryMelotron

Jestersage

Pornosaur

If this works well, I will try to compose a Daydream or Least 100 second equivalent for GHWT...

Jestersage

we all know the GH stance on DLC (forced bundles on top of being over-priced). they haven't changed it for GH3 in the face of all the success RB is having with their better priced pick-a-pack or pick-a-song DLC scheme, so they certainly won't be changing it for GH4.

AgainstOne

@ca$h: The Eagles may not be what you consider "rock" but their music (and not just Hotel California) is a hell of a lot better than much of the crap that today's bands are plopping into the bowl.

seafisch

topaz420

mnml10387

Kanik

I do hope it works from the SD cards, if Excite Truck could use them, I am sure Guitar Hero IV could (or I hope it could)

daknight

Mricci424

I for one will not be picking this up and will wait for Rock Band 2...or hell just continue to keep downloading tracks that I would enjoy as they become available.

vonfaustus

well, at least they added dlc for the wii version this time.

bigman88zz

BigWeather

KID-A26

So... yea. middle finger.

solar_tf

My grammar, editing and sentence structure are pretty impressive too.

cynopt

RichMeisterMan

cynopt

BigWeather

Fireflynik

But wait. None of the whiners said anything about the drumkit yet... The fact that bitchmoaners haven't found anything to bitchmoan about it so far means people are expecting it to kick some royal buttocks. Which I hope they do - even tho I'm going to bitchmoan myself over a littlel thing: Where's the hi-hat pedal!!? (I guess it could be added later as an add-on... right? that would rule) :P

Now, from the little info we *can* gather from the screens, the music creation tool looks like it's going to be pretty cool. Choosing root note and scale really simplifies things a lot, and if these can be changed mid-song, we can expect to see a lot of cool solos being created. I expect you'll be able to select a base drum sequence (as seen in the shot), and will be able to tailer, adding turns and twists, off of that - it's a great idea, and would cut off a lot of tedious repetition when laying the basic drum sound. The vocals are what's really making me curious, tho... Wonder how they're gonna handle that.

Also, I hope - and actually expect - activision will release a good Wii port. The mangled wii version for rockband was really *the* reason I decided not to buy it and invest in GH hardware instead. I think Activision realizes it's on wii that the larger slice of their audience will be, and will act accordingly.

Lastly... "more responsive guitars"... add to that some previous rumors about new guitar functionality, and I wonder what they're cooking up there. Maybe it's just PR speak to justify the fact that they'll no longer be using the Gibson license, but maybe something new, input-wise is coming up. Can't wait to get more details.

solar_tf

Saxboy

Americo

Now I get the point, I'm not going to suggest to people to go grab an instrument just for the sake of it, but I can see how rock band could light the musical fire inside someone hard enough for him/her go and grab an instrument.

And I'm all about more bands in the world, keeps me employed you know? :)

zoesch

Playing any Jimmy Page solo on a real guitar >>>>> Getting 5 stars on Raining Blood on expert.

Cripplor

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this. One of the major ways that Rock Band and GHIII are gimped on the Wii is that you can't download additional tracks. I don't much care for customized tattoos on my characters, I'd rather have a great selection of music without having to buy at $30 add on disc that contains 10 tracks I don't care about. This is actually really exciting news for those of us with Wiis.

I think I'll hold off on Rock Band Wii until the fall and see how GH World Tour comes off. Of course, I have to wonder about the storage issues. With WiiWare and Virtual Console, downloading tracks is going to fill up my 512MB of flash really fast.

pridkett

From the shadows a man from Activision appears.

"You can just make that check out to us. Sorry kids."

Slothboy

Mommar

Would be fun to create a Frankenstein version of "Smoke on the Water" using premade samples and stuff (which is obviously what you'd be doing)

Might be worth a rental.

Billkwando

(gosh im hungry, someone feed me)

robnubis

Cripplor

Uhmmmm......*glares*......did you just choose to NOT
look at the pictures???

@josh51:

And to touch on what you said...I'm a club/performance dj and drummer myself. And to continue banging the "get a life, grab a REAL instrument" war drum is getting very tiresome. So please hang that phone up...!

I've been involved in music for as long as I can remember. And I've ALWAYS had a deep appreciation for music & rhythm gaming. Regardless of the talent and skill level that anyone has a perception towards either just the gamers that play these, to real musicians...it's all in good fun. I take MY music seriously in it's own respect. And I take my GAMING seriously in it's own right. The important thing is that I believe the "Rock-gaming" phenomenon is a great thing. ANYTHING that brings even the slightest amount of appreciation from "non-musician" towards what WE do, should be celebrated and not soured.

In staying on topic, as a gamer, I'm very much on the proverbial fence on this one. I mean, I've invested HUNDREDS of dollars into Rock Band (I've got all 170 songs in the library) and now there's this! It doesn't look bad at all. I'm actually quite attracted to this. But simply for the challenge and the fact that I'm such a completist (ugh), so I gotta have it all. But for me to make ANOTHER huge investment is driving me, and my wallet, insatiably batty! But I'll wait and see on this. It's quite likely I'm going to start dumping into this one.

But I plan to hold out long enough for ANY info on either Rock Band 2 or some sort of major expansion, first!

djgil

But no, seriously, guys, keep arguing about which bands are the most awesomest. This is fun.

Qwaktastic

I'd much rather just use a DAW like FruityLoops and make real music, but this is still a good thing. Sign me up.

zgrowler2

Fahey, you are the worst. This is not composing music. It's creating tones with a plastic guitar. I do not play any instrument for real, but this is miles and miles away from really composing. Sure you can put chords together to make a song, but there is no way this is even within the same realm as someone creating real music with a real instrument. Plus, this has to be limited somehow. I wonder how it will handle full scales and all that stuff... maybe you can change the pitch of each individual note? I am interested to see how this works, but I can't believe that it will be anything like trying to write music for real. Otherwise it will make it pretty inaccessible to non-musically inclined.

KID-A26

ca$h

kylo4

Mommar

francoamerica

I just bought GHIII from Amazon and am even more excited for GHIV, but if its going to conclude with me having a closet full of fake musical instruments, then I will be a very sad panda.

Tyber_Zann

mcool93

Jakuub

I've played an instrument for years. I learned music theory. And you know what? Guitar Hero is still more fun. I don't have to practice for hours on end for years just to get good enough to play a song that still doesn't sound like what other people put out. I'd rather shell out some money now, NOT pay 10 pounds an hour for umpteen hours, and play studio quality music complete with all the other instruments, and have it sound exactly like the bands I am attempting to emulate do without the various extra hassle and equipment.

Sure, I could go out and make my friends learn to sing and play the drums. And you know what? I'd still never find a friend who could sing Guns and Roses like Axl, then turn around and do a Metallica song. It won't happen. Heck, it will be hard enough convincing someone to learn a new instrument for the time it takes to master it.

Have fun at the recording studio studio. My high school band recorded at a studio. I hope you sound better than we did.

Saxboy

Kanik

RonCey

Sqube

Rock Band might be more limited, but at least it all looks good together.

Grue

Fatmumuhomer

coming soon!

Scrapple

I like some of the Eagles' work, don't get me wrong. But to call them real Rock is an insult to the genre.

ca$h

I bet Tony Hawk 23 or whatever number they are on this year will be exactly like Skate.... but with dinosaurs!!

Not that rock band was the first drum agme around, but come on Activision!

Terminal-Frost

The character designs aren't as god-awful ugly as GHIII. They seem to be as stylized as they were in GH I & II, which is OK.

Another big thing I just noticed: "Composed entirely of master recordings". That's certainly something to be proud of. Harmonix went a long way to make most of the Rock Band songs masters, but there were still some covers.

Still, one thing keeps me coming back to Rock Band, and that's the DLC. If Activision and Neversoft can't keep a super-diligent schedule of DLC, then I'm not going to consider it.

At the very least, they should try to make the note patterns better this time. No more notes that don't fit with any part of the song. Harmonix is a gaming company made for only music games, so I think they'll always have an edge in this category.

All of these extra features though are starting to make me wish that Harmonix does release a Rock Band sequel (just don't make us buy instruments again).

KenzinFive

bornofdust

And for the record, in about an hour I'm going to the recording studio to lay MY compositions down. This idea is stupid and a mockery of music. I've just started to teach my girlfriend how to play guitar, her repsonse; 'it's so much more fun than guitar hero', and she loves that game.

The game is fun and all but nothing can compare to picking up a real instrument and playing it in front of a room full of people (well, except getting free beer for it). If you want to make music, learn a fucking instrument, if you want to play a game then play a fucking game. They are not comparable.

josh51

If this thing outputs what sounds like early mod music, i fear it already.

Sunjammer

Ummm the Eagles are one of the greatest rock bands of all time, your definition of Rock must be shit metal.

Rbastid

Saxboy

Sorry Activision but that'll be 1 fail for you.

If they have a set up like some of the simple music programs, like Digital Composer, Fruity Loops or garage band then there might be some decent creation features.

I just hope they don't throw that at us and then use it as a reason to not release any content themselves.

A Frets on Fire type creation would be great, but I would assume it hits on copy right problems.

Rbastid

MagWheels

edgarhuntly

supercrap

Jacksci-fi

Archaotic

That being said, composition has little to no appeal for me. Plus, since I just bought Rock Band, I most likely won't be up for throwing down another $160. Plus DLC may be neglected in favour of setting up the infrastructure for sharing people's shitty music.

thefais

So, not only are there now four instruments, but they actually changed some of their artistic direction to better match Rock Band.

And they're claiming innovation by putting in a music system equivalent to those old NES makers.

Palladium

I like that you can customize your "Avatars", since the ones in GHIII aren't that great... but then again, I don't know if I'll buy this, ayway, I have a feeling that I have played out the Music-Gimmick-Genre...

FranUnFine

Nobuyuki

Being a musician, this is really something that I'm looking forward too.

My 2 passions fusing into one all consuming hobby!

Woodwater

Also, even if you're able to download other people's compositions, who cares? These games are pointless without licensed music. That's where all the fun is.

Sundermania

I expect big things to come from this - but not big songs to come from this product. Looks *fairly* robust, though, but obviously simplified for the GH nation.

Tonx

y2julio

JesseX

nayeli1100

Besides, this game holds nothing for me until I see Clive Winston return.

Zal VII

actorpull

Shiryu

actorpull

Not really. Its makes it more of a joke IMO. L2 compose some real music. LOL

uppitycracker