freespeech

M

Ironically, the only real effect is probably less people will buy it since you won't be able to buy it in any brick-and-mortar store then.

man_in_gauze

ThatsMrOffDutyNinja

Nice of them to make sure and do their research first so as to not be alarmist or anything, eh?

klip_twings

thor79

Although, when I did take a cab finally, I couldn't even figure out where to tell the cab driver to take me. The realism is great in this game.

goddessakasha

judunno

placebofud

karateka

tk.

I think this friendly DA stamp pretty much sums up my response to this article.

fadecy

fadecy

Watching the blurry, swaying vision as your car mows down bystanders, your character sailing through the windscreen and the cops arresting you at the end (or the ambos picking you up) would be a pretty realistic representation of drink-driving.

You could even have a message at the end along the lines of "hope you won't miss that spleen."

mcderek3000

hikkifan1986

Play the game first, complain later

Wow: Another day, another complain of VG's being irresponsible, racist, stereotypical and the cancer of the world. I haven't seen the first case of drunk driving when the driver said "Well, I drive like this on my Xbox!"... this is just stupid

The main problem here is education... education and good parenting. DON'T blame VideoGames... Those are the main problems on every case people point at VG's when they don't know who or what to blame

Chopper_Mike

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

hm, those bitches should be stuck in a room with Dick Masterson: [www.menarebetterthanwomen.com]

ThisIsSick

darktorns

This didn't turn out so badly though! My personal concern, as many voiced when the AO issue surrounded Manhunt 2, surrounds the existence of such a rating when no one will permit it on their consoles. It seems like a unfair way to condemn a game to death, and stands to be abused.

Kai_

screamingslave

We both started to get motion sickness after the first 30 seconds. :(

Jazhuis

Siskoraban

stetsonblade

Those chicks are stupid! Rockstar is delivering their message for them.

CaveHonkey

crapsh00t

thaKingRocka

"I've contacted the organization to point this out to them and seek a comment, but have not heard back. I'll make sure to update this post if and when we do."

I love it.

man_in_gauze

hollowfreak

hollowfreak

[www.imdb.com]

MADD should have spun this as GTA4 is a great example of the dangers of drunk driving. Not exactly the most productive use of PR for a worthy cause.

ozzzy

Blake Ruff

zibby

scottieb2

MADD=Motherfuckers are Douchey Douchertons?

scottieb2

If you want respect from someone, a good first step is to call off your attack dogs.

@Sloopydrew said "The parents who lost their 5-year-old daughter to a drunk driver aren't any less worthy of your respect because MADD wants a rating change on GTAIV."

Yes they are. Their loss isn't an unlimited license to meddle in everyone's life. Their loss doesn't entitle them to subject the rest of us to a loss -- even a small one.

I don't and I won't respect people who are attacking me (or other innocent people). Anyone who does can look forward to being attacked over and over again. MADD need to be stopped. They were a threat to freedom before GTA came out and they're even more of a threat now.

If a victim of drunk driving wants my respect, they can repudiate MADD and then they'll have it. Until then, no.

Kohath

Will not try in real life.

mkg614

TC

They might have a case if driving drunk gave some sort of bonus but it does the exact opposite.

MADD should just apologize as fast as possible so their mistake can fall under the radar.

kelbear

Agnostic

Zeliard

Nevadan

DugDawg

I could see them pushing for an AO rating if you were actualy forced to drink and drive and had no option for anything else, but that is not the case here and they are choosing to ignore the real details so they can send out their message and get their name out there again.

If that type of behavior was 'encouraged' with a Drunk Driving Achievement or something like that I could also see an argument. They would still be wrong... but I could see their point.

They have a right to their opinion no matter how misguided and ill-informed that it may be. I seriously doubt anything will come of this. Faux News will probably run with it but after the Mass Effect fiasco I doubt they will give it much time.

On a more personal note, I am having a hard enough time driving in the game as it is with out mixing in a drunk effect. I can't tell you how many times I have flown through a windshield. I am still trying to get the car to roll 5 times for the achievment tho...

Mr.SithNinja

Only Adults can driver drunk?

Loonies!

EnigmaNemesis

There are negative consequences to it, but they still made it really fun with the physics and such, because it's still a game and the main point is to entertain. But ultimately, the fact that you can literally call a taxi or in the game to take you and/or your drunk date or buddy home makes this completely moot.

Zeliard

Xcite79

StartRunning

Prometheusxy

Now you're making an entirely different argument. Your initial argument was, "Why should we respect them if they don't respect us?" in reference to MADD asking the "manufacturer" of the game to change the rating "out of respect for the millions of victims/survivors of drunk driving." Again, I don't see any reason that you shouldn't respect victims of drunk driving because MADD wants to change a rating. The parents who lost their 5-year-old daughter to a drunk driver aren't any less worthy of your respect because MADD wants a rating change on GTAIV. They probably don't even know MADD has requested the change.

MADD is about making laws, having people arrested, pushing people around, and otherwise controlling the lives of folks against their will."

No. MADD is about educating people, getting drunks off the road and making sure the laws are enforced against drunk drivers. What about, "ending the lives of others" against their will? Are you all in favor of that? Drunk drivers do that quite often and I don't think it's fair. Do you? Telling you not to drink and drive and punishing you for doing so isn't "controlling the lives of people" -- it's telling them that next time they get liquored up they should call a cab, find a designated driver or keep their drug addiction within walking distance of their home.

Sloopydrew

Quine

MADD never gave anyone the benefit of the doubt. MADD never decided to respect the personal judgment of anyone by allowing them to make their own choices -- with the presumption that they would make responsible ones.

MADD is about making laws, having people arrested, pushing people around, and otherwise controlling the lives of folks against their will. MADD are Prohibitionists and now censors.

How does that respect us (the gamers or the public)? It doesn't. So why should we give them any respect?

I'm not going to say "ok, censor me and slowly take away my freedoms one by one" out of respect for anyone, dead or otherwise. And I certainly have no respect for anyone who might ask me to do that.

Kohath

"Why should we respect them if they don't respect us?"

Wow. In what way, Kohath, don't the "victims/survivors of drunk driving" not respect "us" (I'm assuming by "us" you mean gamers)? Are you actually suggesting victims of drunk driving -- many thousands of them dead -- don't respect you because Mothers Against Drunk Driving issued a statement regarding the rating issued for Grand Theft Auto IV? Really?

Sloopydrew

A mother came in and wanted to know about the game and if it was ok to buy for her son.

I asked her how old he was, and she said he was 10.

I said, "Well it has a lot of violence in it, shooting cops, running drug deals, explosions, stuff like that in it."

To which she replied, "I don't care about that stuff. Is there any nudity in it?"

What kind of world do we live in where violence is fine for a child to be comfortable with, but seeing the naked body of a woman is not?

jabedoben

Sloopydrew

Cops jumped all over me, Roman couldn't get in the car, I tried driving away and couldn't stop hitting things.

And this was after it somewhat appeared that Nico wasn't 'drunk' anymore. If anything I thought it was fairly impressive that it really drove that point home. You think you are fine, but you aren't even close to it.

I respect MADD's mission, but here could have been an opportunity to point out exactly how bad drunk driving is rather then take the 'ban it' approach.

I learned two things, There truly never is a cab around when you need one, but even then, just walk back to the safe house.

mouroutaru

Why should we respect them if they don't respect us?

Kohath

Gambia

I don't think they believe how hard it is to get anywhere when drunk driving in this game. Not only that, Niko always says something about how he isn't fit to drive. I would argue that in fact GTA IV makes a pretty strong case against drunk driving, because it almost always meets with disaster.

Mister Adequate

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft won't allow for AO rated games. And even if there were AO rated games, there is still a chance kids would play them just like them sneaking into a R-rated movie.

Chikebo

TheLastGunslinger

cmac2175

What I meant about merging them is that there shouldn't be a different rating that applies to 17 year olds and one that applies to 18 year olds. A 17 year old brain can comprehend and act upon the same stimulus that an 18 year old brain can. Also, I personally don't believe that AO games should be prohibited for sale in stores, but as I can't offer a solution to that can-of-worms we'll just stay away from that. So, I was assuming that if those where the current conditions of the rating system, I'd think the game should be a AO game.

To address your 'Halo' and 'Call of Duty' point, I don't think sex is the end-all-be-all determinant of what would be AO (in the ideal, hypothetical new rating system) and thus the rating shouldn't be solely associated with explicit sex. I think the level of reality of harmful and violent elements should determine the rating of game ("violent" in all sense of the word, not just violence). It's another can of worms though, right? What's worse: simulated sex or simulated violence?

Like I said, I don't know of the right solution, I just believe we can do better.

7ucky

2008. The year we are in. We are in the middle of what some call the "Digital Revolution." Computers, and more specifically, the internet change how we do things. We no longer search for someone, we google them. Instead of calling someone about the plans, you message them. Rather than invite someone to your house, you show them your Myspace. And rather than loan someone a book...you loan them a video game.
Ah, video games. A multimillion dollar business these days. Where you can be anyone from a hardend gangster on the streets of Liberty City, to a plumber in space, to a legendary hero with a equally legendary whip, destined to slay Dracula...you can even be a tiny prince, whose father has destroyed the universe, and needs your help. All of these are possible in video games. Video games are fast replacing books or movies as entertainment. Books and movies are being made about video games - in the past, the opposite was true. Video games would be made from movies and books. Video Games, Movies, Books, all of them are intertwined. All are made by people for our entertainment dollars.
And yet, video games, more than the others, are constantly blamed for today's youth. "He stole money? Must have been that Grand Theft Auto" "Oh dear, that boy who played Counterstrike went and shot up a school. Damn video games" Movies and Books are never blamed in this fashion. It's never said that all books, or all movies are instruments of the depraved and nasty. Only a subset. 'No, you can't watch Die Hard. But something sane like The Lion King, or Casablanca...now THERE'S a movie' 'Harry Potter? Try some good literature, like Charles Dickens' You never see this with video games.
Be it Mario or Tommy Vercetti, Link or Marcus Fenix, Sonic or Serph, if you're a video game, you're a tool that's destroying family & moral values. Groups cry that video games must be regulated or destroyed, for only by having complete control will we be safe. I think that that's wrong. They don't want to keep their kids safe. They want control. To control what we read, or take in. If you read a book, or watch a movie, or listen to a song, you are there for the whole ride. You cannot change it. No matter how much you want to, Darth Vader will always be Luke's father. Tyler Durden will always be the same person. Even Old Yeller can't escape his fate.
Video Games buck this trend. They give the player control. If you want to slay that monster and claim it's gold, so be it. But if you want to run from it, and leave it to it's devices...and simply take out the Boss Dragon in the back, you're free to do that to. You can subjugate every town, bending them to your will..or you can let them all run themselves. You can befriend your enemies, destroy your friends...all of these are your choice, and your choice alone. And that terrifies the adults of today. The ones who make the movies, who read the books, who raise their kids.
They are terrifed of the aspect of us choosing what we want to do. That we may do something they don't want. The movie director, terrified of the fact that he cannot force you to accept that the bad guy's henchmen escapes. The author, terrified of the fact that she cannot force you to accept her main heroine has been raped in the past, and thus justified of her actions. They are terrified of losing their control. They are terrified by our control, our choices.
And rightfully so. For we enjoy being in control. We reject their notion that they have total say in what we take in. We embrace the notion of choice, of saving that last piece of jerky for yourself, rather than being forced to give it to some random bum in a house. They are trying to shake control from us, by labeling all games as instruments of Satan, as nothing but vile tools. In this aspect, they wish to control this as well.
They will never succeed. We have already embraced games. Those that have accepted this are succsessful. Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Mario, is a multimillionaire. And so are several others. Even those who don't head the company make a very comfortable living designing worlds, and letting us do what we wish in them. Those that reject games fail. Hollywood is in the middle of an unprecedented slump. What would be considered a complete flop is a raging success today. Their standards have lowered that much.
I have a message to the movie directors, to the authors, to the groups that reject games: In my hand, I hold a controller for a video game system. I control what I see, and you do not. You will never take this controller from me. If you want it, you'll have to pry it, from my cold dead hands.

...I have no real idea why that ended the way it did.

Lyrai

PrivateJ0ker

N15PCA

Glamorizing illegal or dangerous activities (which is not what I think Rockstar is doing) should still be a form of free speech-- even if stupid. As to whether Rockstar has any moral obligations to appropriately contextualize violent / offensive events of the game-- I guess only as much as any other entertainment medium does.

gozirah

Apparently, they also want game Prohibition.

No one should listen to these losers at MADD. No one should ever have listened to them.

Kohath

I get it now.

Hylian

MADD (a special interest group for good, not evil) wants an Adult rating? Well I'm sure the NRA wants it rated E for everyone.

Cojo21

CarbonatedWater

Marios_shadow

Senen

kipperminge

I'm with you and don't think the actual effect that a game's rating can have should be an influencing factor for developers.

7ucky

MasterYong

MasterYong

ChocoCocobo

peteythegeek

Smart People Against Stupid Mothers Supporting Over-Adjusted Population!

Someone has to die. It's inevitable and under the glory of Darwin, amen.

SigmundTheSeaMonster

MADD needs to stop poking into whats fake and keep to what actually matters.

MjrShake

Snake726

ROFLMAO!!

Honestly whats these women are doing are taking a chance to make their organization visible by making an extreme public statement about a mass commercial phenomenon. Its ALL public relations, they want to seem like they actually do responsible things for society by attacking something that couldn't be more disconnect then the actual real world problem.

It's offensive that they try to dictate the terms of its rating, and that by playing GTA IV, we are somehow "spitting on the graves" of people that have actually been hit by drunk drivers. It's pitiable really. Shouldn't they be out there actually trying to make a difference by helping people become more aware of the dangers of DWI? Instead they chose to "attack a video game depicting fictitious events."

Brilliant.

PrivateJ0ker

drivenstorm

Asper

Don't do this again, MADD, it just hurts your credibility.

UltimatePancakeSensation

If you're going to get all high and mighty about my vidja games, at least go all out and ask for a ban.

Lawya

yes we gamers say "fuck MADD u suckorz! Pwn!,or some nonsensical expletives that scream,CAPTAIN CAVEMAN!" but then as soon as some underaged idiot goes drunk driving killing others, first thing he'll say is... "well there was that game i was playing, um GTA4..........

i'll stop there.

zanzibarlegend

Here's the thing - AO is a death sentance. No console will have it, and no retailer will carry it. It's a rating basically reserved for interactive porn. Honestly, there should be a distinction between something like Halo or Call of Duty (M-rated) and straight up porn. They shouldn't merge the two ratings at all.

Which brings me to my second point. If the ESRB caves to public pressure and rerates the game, then the game goes away. It doesn't get hard to find, it doesn't get hard to buy - if the ESRB rerates GTA4, it would disappear seein as it's a console only game at the moment, and neither MS nor Sony would allow it on their platform.

For the most part, I personally have no qualms with MADD, however, if they, and organizations like them, continue to blindly attack video games, it will negatively impact the industry, and by proxy every hardcore / dedicated gamer out there. So yea, this is a big deal. It is something to pay attention to. MADD needs to know they made a mistake. They need to know that they have the wrong idea about GTA4.

What The Geek

Knaaks

El Patricko

Hoshnasi

One thing to keep in mind, teenagers, even if they're underaged, will always find a way to get alcohol. Whether they decide to get in the car and drive is their decision. The only thing that one can do is to teach them that there are consequences for driving drunk. However, unfortunately, rarely anyone seems to listen.

KM91

Grive

Bernard McGraw

El Patricko

The only way a child can get a M game is if their parent bought it for them...

Sailorcancer

I get what MADD is trying to say, but once again, to attack a particular video game and not the many movies/tv shows that feature people drinking and driving (or drugs and driving:harold and Kumar) shows that they are trying to do this for media coverage because GTA is such a high profile game.
MADD, actually have someone in your organization play the game. Don't hear about it from someone else. Also, create a campaign for all forms of entertainment, not just videogames.

This is so ridiculous that it makes them look bad instead of getting across a good message.

btw: @El Patricko you are hilarious.

trina

Drunk driving is obviously stupid and dangerous, but MADD does not care about reduction of harm from drunk driving. They are frothing at the mouth, stark-raving-mad prohibitionists. If everyone in the country used alcohol responsibly and no one drove drunk, the MADD weirdos would still wet the bed in horror because people were drinking in the first place. They're on record as trying to get states to reduce DUI thresholds to below .08% BAC, even as study after study shows that drivers are already not significantly impaired at those levels.

Not that anyone didn't see through this particular charade of theirs. Just know that MADD has morphed from a mission of harm and threat reduction to complete fundamentalism over the 30 years they've been around. This ain't yer momma's MADD anymore.

teeth7

It's just a video game and there is no connection of reality in a video game! Damn those bitches trying to affect the video game industries. I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong, but to bitch about a video game!?

Now that's just wrong, know your place...

Know your place...

ultimate920

D Mitsuki

jabedoben

Should've taken the taxi as the game recommended...

TheHun

First, unless you're 17 there's no reason to be complaining about this. You have the game don't you?? Then shut up and play it and quit acting like a group to prevent nearly-retarded teens from killing themselves and others is infinging on your rights. Because they're not.

I think this game should be Adult Only, but more importantly I think the ESRB should merge M and AO into one tweaked rating or reform their system because it's obviously too much of a contention point.

7ucky

I know MADD are to drink what PETA are to animals (bordering on militant and irrational), but one would hope that they would spend a bit of time driving in the game drunk and see how fun the game makes it.

DrXym

Mastrix

You missed a great opportunity to say, "I'm Dr. Steve Brule....for your health!" right after your broads comment.

pickleprince

天水

and your lack thereof.

Dear Kelley,

I write firstly to tell you that I agree with your message, Drunk Driving is a pointless and dangerous crime. However your recent press release on the game Grand Theft Auto 4 has, I believe, damaged your message. Credibility is big part of any campaigners message, as no mater how big or small the lies you tell are, the public, especially the youth of the world you are desperately trying to reach, will see straight through you unless you are telling the truth at all times. Please stop trying to jump on the bandwagon of attacking GTA and Rockstar, without first completing some research. If you, or any of your researchers had played the game they would realize that it is not compulsory to drive drunk in the game, in fact another character in the game suggests that your character is not safe to drive and recommends you take a taxi home. Even if you do decide to drive drunk in the game, your vision becomes blurred and driving becomes next to impossible, surely this will only help to drive home your message.

This story has recently been printed on kotaku.com a highly regarded video game blog, and I believe they have also emailed you to gain a response. Thanks for your time, please continue your valid message, but not at the expense of my favorite pastime

LB

bennett

What The Geek

catdogpigduck

exolstice

What The Geek

That said, what difference would an AO rating make that an M rating wouldn't? The content is still there, the age difference is a year... This little campaign, no matter the outcome, really isn't going to warm anyone to their cause.

Asper

RedRust

AceScope

TV is an exception, but parents are supposed to be monitoring their child's activities.

Video games are frequently unregulated by parents as many parents see it as kid-friendly regardless of what's on the box.

As a woman who's son wanted to buy San Andreas said when told by the Gamestop employee that it contained murder, violence, sex, prostitution, killing hookers, etc.
(To the employee) "You kill the hookers?"
(To her son) "You're not getting this."
*This after she spent 10 minutes assuring the 8 year old that he could have it, if he just stopped talking.*

The biggest issue is that there are so many parents who don't do there job. No person under the age of 17 should be playing this game. That's why it gets a Mature rating.
Because there are so many delinquent parents, these organizations are taking it upon themselves to try to fix the problem.

The rationale of many of you is why these things aren't as widely accepted. You just go off halfcocked and make absurd comments. You're as bad as the media groups that blatently lie about video games.

Johivin

parasiteartist

D Mitsuki

D Mitsuki

Ok, at firt i tried to understand why people were so upset about sex in movies and not that upset about violence.
Then i thought "well, maybe it's cause the boobs of the actress are real, and the blood isn't."

Turns out.. NO
In videogames they repudiate naked pixels to my amazement.
(not that I have a problem w/ naked boobs to begin with, but that was what i thought)

Now these assholes are concerned about drunk driving pixeles running over other pixeles?
Fuck them, Fuck them in the ear.
Videogames don't claim to be real life.
or tell you to go do shit like that in real life.

Kamus

GundamAC197: Proud new Wii60 Owner!

D Mitsuki

Strange Bedfellows

half-beast

And shooting police officers in the face isn't? Shut the fuck up and stay out of our games, MADD.

ca$h

kw4k

That's why MADD is asking for the game to be rated differently. They are not pulling a JT and trying to get the game banned, they just want to slow its access to minors.

I'm not sure where i sit on this one.

symeon6

twesterms 2nd

The problem is that the big 3, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are to damn scared to put AO rated games on their consoles, and the big retailers are to damn scared to sell them. Its basically a kiss of death for video games to get an AO rating.

Ashkihyena

pedantic_dandy

@What The Geek: Was it ever 21? Dont know why i thought it was 21 eh Fudge it. Thanks for clearing that up.

GUNDAM-RX-78-2

GustoGaiden

...after playing the game last night I really would have zero problem with it being AO or some equivalent like NC-17.

It's not the drunk driving by itself, but as a whole, the game has content that is clearly where "most parents would consider patently too adult for their children 17 and under", which is what MPAA defines as NC-17.

I'm not at all a big fan of the MPAA and think their criteria for ratings is in many ways broken in practice if not also in documented intent, but I do recognize the need for some sort of rating system so people know what they are in for. I'm no expert on the history of video game ratings, but have to think they are based on MPAA.

After playing through only the first dozen mission or so and doing a bit of exploring, I don't think there is any question this game would fall into the NC-17 catagory as opposed to the R if it were a movie. I'm pretty sure almost anyone looking at this objectively would agree.

It's not like there are some things here with adult themes that some parents would feel their kids were okay experiencing with their personal supervision, right? This game is very much adult from the get go.

And remember, this particular discussion about the game is over the rating, and NOT about how that rating is enforced.

While standing in line to purchase my copy yesterday, I saw a woman in her 40-50's (presumedly a mother) buying the game with a teen maybe 13-15 (presumedly her son). I immediately thought of what one contributor here had said, something like "in case the four guys with guns and the woman falating a lollipop on the cover didn't tip you off, this game is for adults".

I strongly feel you can't blame video games for people who are terrible parents, but I do feel you can address the marketing of adult games to children (and also movies here too) and the ratings that go on a game.

I really feel there is a medium here that makes sense and all too often the people that scream bloody murder about games are way off the deep end. The problem we face as gamers is not to fall into the temptation of jumping off the other side of that deep end and instead to remain reasonable and try and move to that medium and not just the polar opposite of whatever people attackign the game are saying out of ignorance.

dbushik

Thank you for attempting to better inform their organization.

Many of the comments here disappointment me. MADD, at least at its root intent, is a fairly noble group/cause. In the real world, drunk driving has the potential to cause frivolous waste of life and is, in fact, serious business. Driving under the use of any substance puts so many lives at risk for no good reason.

I'd like to think that, given the full information of the way the subject is handled in Grand Theft Auto IV, they can see some merit in the level of choice afforded to the player and in game character.

Again, thank you for handling this news item with professionalism and even temper.

Tubatic

Also they are all Maude Flanderseses. Es.

Baramos

Ichidou

Double D Amateur Mothers FTW

schwarzsturm

I think rockstar was pretty smart about this.

Ichidou

kw4k

D Mitsuki

Well, after a lengthy review of all of those points people could, and I'm sure did, find, the game was given an M rating by the ESRB. It wasn't like Manhunt 2 where the game had to be resubmitted time and again to get down to an M (or if it was we didn't hear about it), the game just earned itself an M rating - sooooo yea - it's an M rated game.

And yes, AO is 18 and up. Not 21 and up.

What The Geek

@GUNDAM-RX-78-2: If you could actually make an AO game for consoles, I'd be right with you on that argument. Not that there is really any difference between 17 and 18, but just because it drives home the point that yes, GTA IV is for adults. Then maybe I could go a few hours without hearing "OMG, it's a game with violence, think of the children!"

But you can't make an AO game. No stores will sell them. Best Buy and all their ilk are perfectly fine selling Saw 12: Buckets of Blood (unrated) and Generic Risque Comedy - unrated extra breasts edition, but god forbid a gaming equivalent of NC-17 ever existed for a gaming platform. Even if stores WOULD sell them, the consoles won't certify them because so you can't play them except on a computer.

I wouldn't be the first to argue that there is no point in having a top of the scale that no one can actually use, but that's an argument for another day.

NateN

jp182

If drunk driving is an 100% preventable crime, than wouldn't every other crime also be 100% preventable?

StagnatedLives

Don't just hate on MADD. They are an awesome organization that does a lot of good than bad. Also, keep in mind that it is run by generation of people who don't understand the whole video game craze. They were probably misinformed. And seeing it from their perspective, I can see why they flipped the fuck out. They made a rash, and uninformed call.

Also, It's stupid, because it's just a game, Right? And that there are a lot of worse things that you can do in the GTA series. Like shoot an innocent in the face. But think of I this way. After I play the game I know that I am not going to grab a gun and randomly blast out my window, or rob a bank. Thats very black and white.
But drinking and driving is a little more ambiguous. I may be in a situation where there is only one might be inclined to drink and drive. Alcohol helps you make bad calls.

Intent to murder and intent to drive drunk are both criminal. But most people are stupid when they drink. They think they can handle it. MADD is freaking out due to the nature of drinking and driving. It's more of a grey area. Blurry like after a few drinks.

I know my argument is scattered and long winded. But do you see what I'm saying?

symeon6

IF ANYTHING: this part of the game will stop gamers from getting behind the wheel after a few drinks. Hopefully this could be a way for gamers to show the media how GTA can actually be GOOD for society and it shouldn't be seen as negative.

JTmunny82

Stoli

liquid_kore

GUNDAM-RX-78-2

kw4k

That last line in your comment made me lol.

IndustrialJones

slomo788

Ashkihyena

ht9000

What The Geek

What amazes me is how MADD doesn't see the potential of that part of the game as an educational tool. Rockstar should release the drunk driving part as a demo and let MADD use it to show how insanely hard it can be to drive drunk.

But no. Let's just ban it instead.

Guitaratomik

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