glowpasa

glowpasa

simple question b4 you pompous chinese ppl start talking about how western media is bad: why are foreign press not allowed into tibet to report the current news?

glowpasa

Well, that was what I was taking point with. We're assuming that they're intentionally making it sound similar, but what I wanted to point out is that, in the Chinese language, it's far too easy to make similar sounding works. With English and other European languages, a pun can be pretty obvious. It's a lot harder in the case of Chinese because of the limited number of phonics and sounds (again, "alkaloids" versus "rape"). It would be circumstantial evidence to say that this company make their enemies, "cangdu", close to "zangdu" when these sounds could correlate to about 50 other words as well. Why aren't we making these connections? I do not argue that Chinese can be a nationalistic bunch and are more than wiling to make their political swipes at others, but I think people are trying to make something out of nothing with this game.

CIGNX

PsykoJ

@CIGNX:
Finally, an intelligent comment. At the same time, I assumed that it was the point to pick words that sound so closely similar. After all, not a lot of Chinese people want to sit idly while their country's being attacked by everyone else's media.

Izkariot

Also, a note: After going back and reading the comment histories for astrixzero and yourself, the two of you have been defensive of China's policies and practices to the point of rabidness. Are you sure you're not just here to make the biggest country in the world look good, maybe get a few extra yuan from the PRC before going off to harass someone else on some other message board?

PratzStrike

CIGNX

When Google started filtering searches in China on bad publicity, especially "Tibet", TechCrunch.com did a story on it which indirectly lead to conversations which dug deeper into the situation.

Although I hope that Tibet will someday be completely autonomous, this whole thing is about so much more. With everything thats going on in the world today, something has to happen not for the sake of religion, race, land, money, or power... but for humanity itself.

fuso23

Demaar

KafkaTamura

Although, the comparison to stereotypes is interesting, except that I don't recall any stereotypes in America that are equivalent to the seriousness of "smuggling drugs" as a racial stereotype.

RTW

Audemars

Audemars

astrixzero

The Western media are a bunch of crooks. And just because the Chinese media is government controlled (a fact known to the majority of Chinese), does not grant the Western media a free pass on posting speculations as fact, especially when masquerading pictures from Nepal and India as "images from the Tibetan riots. You automatically assume that the riots were caused by the Chinese before facts were known, and act as if all Chinese are deluded and brainwashed propagandists while the West as an enlightened holy grail of truth, when it's not. Have you even set foot in China, let alone Tibet? It's people like you (who treats the Tibetan issue as a black-and-white, us-vs-them problem) that makes the Chinese hate the West even more. You expect that we Chinese listen to the views of the West when people like you automatically dismiss their views?

astrixzero

PratzStrike

Most Tibetans living in China does not support these minority of thugs. They planned racist pogroms and murders, and were punished accordingly. I'm sick of Westerners automatically blaming the Chinese government on anything, entirely because China chose not to kowtow to the West's demands. And I'm sick of the using the human rights excuse to bash China, considering that the US turns a blind eye to it's own human rights atrocities in Guantanamo Bay as well as supporting corrupt Middle-Eastern regimes like Saudi Arabia where women and dissidents has no rights at all.

astrixzero

RTW

PratzStrike

UltraMagnus

Even Western media sources freely posted images of Han Chinese stores that were destroyed by the mob and mentioned that Han civilians were being killed by Tibetan rioters.

I find it hypocritical for self-proclaimed human right advocates to simply ignore the other side of the story and act like experts on Chinese human rights without having ever been to the country.

Furthermore, nationalism has long been deeply engrained in the Chinese identity after centuries of perceived and real foreign exploitation. (Opium War, Treaty of Shimonoseki, Boxer Rebellion, WW1 German concessions, WW2) It's foolish to think that such xenophobic sentiments require the Chinese government's egging to happen. It's already taken a life of its own and becoming a self-sustaining religion of sorts.

I know plenty of Chinese nationals who would stubbornly defend their nation's actions, but are otherwise completely intelligent people. Reminds me of religious zealots, really.

The fact is that the pro-trade central government is now panicking. Nationalism was supposed to be their way of uniting the people and preventing dissent, but it has grown beyond their control. It has no choice but to play along now or risk another Tiananmen. (And if that happens, the protestors certainly aren't going to be pro-West side...)

DarkMirage

trunk3h

its a chame the Tibetans don't have the same luxury we do in cases like this.

trunk3h

No-one ever lies without a reason to lie. Therefore, all lies have an agenda.
Lesson: Reject all liars 'cos they're bullshitting you for one thing or another.

My point: The Chinese government are wankers. Go work it out people.

Keshie

Onouris

I'll go one step further, one can argue that the latter half of all Western/Euro-centric history can be traced back to cultural genocide.

Now go sit in the corner and study up.

GrassJelly

Evil Tortie's Mom

RTW

xIvSlowDeath420

@Demaar

The war was fought and the US won... and Japan paid a price but it is far from the truth that Japans culture was "obliterated"

We beat them, we never broke them - I give them respect, they got back up - proud bunch they are

"Ultra-nationalism breeds bad things in any country"
Amen, to that!

adolfo-gomez

TurinTurambar

While I find the Western uproar a little tiresome in light of other, equally as concerning attempts at reigning in a non-Han population that get next to no press (e.g., Xinjiang), there are more than enough examples of violent crackdowns and interesting 'control' methods inflicted on the dominant Han population to prove that it's not just pesky Tibetan protesters who get the short end of the stick.

Ultra-nationalism breeds bad things in any country.

Maggie Greene

xIvSlowDeath420

I can't exactly speak for every Japanese person, but I reckon they're happier not having a crazy arse Emperor dragging them into wars they don't want.

Demaar

xIvSlowDeath420

Demaar

xIvSlowDeath420

Didn't anyone see this coming?

Tear

xIvSlowDeath420

I have a few Vietnamese friends who could tell you a lot about communist propaganda and especially China.... and no I am not American.

Corv

You mean like what America did to the Native Americans, Japan did to the Ainu in Hokkaido, Israel and Palestine, and Europe and half the world? I'm not defending China's actions but lets take things into perspective here people. What China did/is doing is not unique. It is very hard to justify why Tibet should not be part of China without asking why the heck should Hawaii be part of the United States considering the history behind that annexation as well.

TurinTurambar

MaxS

China never took the time to sit down and enter into a real dialogue with Dalai Lama and have used forced for more than 50 years.For example, Tibet tried to address China's "cultural genecide" and in 2006, Tibet raised objections again.

One interesting thing about China is that not only do they use force, but at the same time, they take steps to slowly disintegrate a culture by sending large number of people to settle there.

Tear

Its basically the whole world except China's media.

Shinigami-Kun

Simply look at the xenophobic shit that comes out of a purportedly free society like the U.S. It gets even worse at times in Europe.

GettinMyGooseOn

Demaar

Tear

That said though, the current line of protests being backed by a younger generation of Tibetans are, imo, absurd. The only thing more is the international sympathy. Being angry at the Chinese surpression and violence is fine. But saying "yes, Tibet should be it's own country" or "yes, this is what the Dalai Lama wants" are also signs of ignorance. If you compare the American hold on Hawaii or the British hold on Scotland or the Welsh, China has more right to claim Tibet as part of it as a political entity than both of the former two. That and what the Dalai Lama wanted was the autonomy Tibet had over it's own area before the current regime imposed heavier control over it, not complete independence. China's refusal to meet with him on even those terms is certainly ground for disappointment and anger, but let's not mix up facts here.

TurinTurambar

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Pantsman

Y'know, the ones overseen by the government that is ruthlessly cracking down on the supposedly violent protests.

Funny that.

freakout

giant_chibi

Where I come from, killing women and children isn't "peaceful protest".

Demaar

heres a link

[www.gamersyde.com]

giant_chibi

*inserts monocle*
...
Over my eye.

Kazzahdrane

freakout

zebber