40% complete pre-alpha? I think they did themselves more harm than good releasing this, it's obviously not fully baked. The water being particularly flat and unresponsive.

4 player split screen doesn't look very practical either, you're vehicle takes up what looks like 80% of your view! Maybe if they force POV or turn your vehicle transparent it would work.

Zazu_Yen

funkonaut

Zootalor

Hylian

GimmeCat

Furu

CartBlanche

cheeses

TheRedBayonet

I think it looks good for an Alpha, but still dont think they should have shown that. Cant wait to see Beta footage though.

TheRedBayonet

But I agree with some of the ppl here who say that the cars still feel very floaty, especially the monster trucks

mahjustin

Eclectified

Yamster

fact? It's 40% complete, they can change just about anything from here, not just fix bugs.

ffmusicdj

It's discouraging to see that some people are not mature enough to get a sneak peek of what Evolution is working on without condemning the game for unfinished effects.

Astrofox

jacksons98

bloog

ShirtGuyDom

Slash3

And such.

Slash3

Slash3

The Red Comet

Do you watch Friends?

V1L3

In the last 15 seconds or so, the graphics looked more or less current gen. Up to then, ick!

Why would anyone release that video?

It truly plays like comedy!

kNZA

UsamahHamilton

As for the pre-alpha bits, I have seen games change dramatically from pre-alpha to beta. Just look how Halo 3 turned out from the online beta to the actual game, there was a ton of graphical tweaking.

zoesch

So that game, oh heck what's the name of it, it just came out recently... Sold the most in a single day/week out of any game ever? What's it called... Anyway, it didn't have split screen multiplayer either.

KrsJin

Just dont be retarded and think this is all of the game and all of the polish! lol

Knave

Seems a lot of the stuff, including graphics still needs to be worked on. I'd say the water is definitely one of them but I'm sure they want to get the physics working how they like before making it go splashy splashy.

I sometimes wonder if the stream of demos masquerading as "open betas" aren't giving the more impressionable people the wrong idea about developing a game.

Jelster

40% PRE ALPHA! WHAT PART OF THAT YOU DON? UNDERSTAND?

Gambare

so.... you don't like the game because it's not on 360

Gambare

oosiegewolfoo

It's way too early for them to show the game like this.

The first motorstorm was one of my favorite games and was gorgeous, so I'm hoping this one is just like the original.

fenderfuel08

SmartWay

boxmyth

:D

zanzibarlegend

We might have to do an IQ filter to stop posts like yours......

LittleBigPlaneteer

The mention of a 40% complete alpha figure is likely a guesstimate. They're likely working on levels, bugfixes, gameplay balancing and interaction tweaking, as well as interface and asset tweaking. So, they've got some slack, but typically the engine and "look and feel" of a game does not change much from alpha to beta. It just gets a bit more polish and packaging.

Lens flare was kind of retro, not sure if that's what they were going for. With HDR/bloom effects and soft lighting you can achieve more realistic light glare for when you're staring into a sunrise/set, but maybe it's a placeholder.

Water interaction needs tweaking, this goes without saying. Although I'll say it anyway. The water apparently exists in a dimension parallel to our own, and is not directly influenced by the vehicles driving through and into it. Vehicles have buoyancy, but don't seem to actually displace any volume of water. It's as if the surface of the water is given a gravity value, and the vehicle simply bounces back up to meet it. I also like how the water just clips through the vehicle, instantly filling the interior with still, calm waters. Like a water laser. Of death. The water spray kickback sprites are a nice touch, but giving them a particle behavior would go miles towards the feel of the game. Make the mud and water kick up and spray, and let it hit trailing vehicles. If water hits a muddy windshield/body panel, it should clean it off a bit. If mud hits a dry windshield/body panel, it should stick. And such.

The vegetation is a bit weird. They're trying to portray a kind of tropical island but it seems pretty thin on the green stuff. There should be grass all over the place, not just a few strategically placed "tough weeds" to ruin your day. The plants also seem unnaturally strong. A lot of plants are hollow inside, storing water. They should get demolished in a cloud of cellulose by a vehicle going any faster than walking speed. This obviously does not apply to trees, which are far more elastic or dense depending on the type. Hitting a decent sized sapling will indeed ramp your (lightweight) vehicle up and likely roll it. Heavier vehicles won't have this problem.

On that note, vehicle mass seems very unnatural. Just going by the way the vehicles react and move in the video, it seems like they should weigh twice as much as they appear to, at least. A decent sized baja truck is not going to go bouncing around off of weeds or be able to take corners at 90MPH, and a monster truck should most certainly demolish a rally racer should it be introduced from behind, and not simply drive up and bounce off of it. Hell, monster truck tires often weigh over a half of a ton each. Total vehicle weight ranges from 10 to 20,000 pounds for most. If a monster truck managed to catch up to a sand buggy (in itself kind of a fantasy, since they almost all cap out at like 80MPH) the only thing left sticking out of the ground should be an engine block and maybe a piece of roll cage.

That said, this isn't Pro Formula Tropical Island Racer Series, so they've got their arcade gameplay license. I think that if they put some more polish on the environment interactions and give us levels that are scenic, creative and don't contain controller crushing cheap punches, this could be a ton of fun.

There's a reason why people still cite WaveRace64 for its wave "feel" - it did it superbly. Add touches of the superlative here and there and you'll get people to not only notice your game, but remember it for years to come.

Dang, that's a lot of text.

Slash3

stryder19

eunoia

Collins1

As for the graphics: considering this game can do 4 player split screen and the game is less than half done, the graphics are pretty good.

jitty9

Cartman86

FP_slomo788

I don't disagree, it looks stunning already even in that stage, I'm just saying that having that number there is dubious. Not only that, the interpretation is up for grabs.

40% complete of the pre-alpha stage?
40% complete in the pre-alpha stage?

and it doesn't say what part is complete.

the graphics could be 90% complete but only 20% of the tracks are done, 40% of the physics and gameply, 20% of the cars are modelled and 30% of the modes

And, not only does it pre-maturely start the hype train (which is leading to much tougher reviews on games, and much worse sales... hype doesn't sell, look at lair), it leads to more uneccessary and childish flamewars between fanboys.

all in all, a stupid thing to include.

eunoia

DigiMish

FP_slomo788

Percentage doesn't matter because:

A) It's vague on WHAT's done. 40% done pre-alpha? 40% done the entire game? 40% done that track?

B) Percentage is no indicator of time. Imagine if a game came out and said 80% done! What does that mean? 2 months? 6 months? 2 years? If they've been working on a game 4 years, we could do math and assume they mean it will take them a total of 5 years to complete, so 1 more year to go!

I was never claiming I knew the %, so quit attacking me.

scottyman218

However, I'm concerned about their comments on making the AI tougher. I thought the AI was a total PITA in the first game. It was more focused on crashing you than on actually winning a race. That and the fact that it seemed to have almost endless boost totally pissed me off. There were a number of times when I nearly threw my controller out the window on the last few races.

As for the video? Wish I could view it. Gamevideos totally sucks. Their videos and home page never load at work or at home. Speaking of which; any other Aussies have that issue?

Doshu

shadydentist

uflouie

FP_slomo788

mindf1ow

TOWER_JUNKIE

@okenny :): ROFL. Well it sure is more realistic than the target render that's for sure.

FP_slomo788

or 3 of 8 maps are done

they should've just said, "incomplete" instead of giving us some percentage to create hype about how the game might look.

eunoia

Fyren

okenny :)

okenny :)

henri1kk

SEGA Ralley Revo on PSP does its job in this regard...but I wouldn't say no to a sprawling crash-tastic racer like this.

pylon_trooper

slikz21

FP_slomo788

He's saying multiplayer on ONE system. Meaning there's no sort of splitscreen.

I love how they put 40% done. Just in case people complain about the game, they throw a random % done number on it.

scottyman218

Oh, my bad dude, guess I misread your comment. No disrespect meant on my part.

Sparx

josh51

FP_slomo788

henri1kk

Grave

dgonchild

And mud. Needs more mud.

gozirah

Cenobite

Are you familiar with the stages? Theres pre-alpha (which this is in), alpha, beta, and gold

fro pre alpha this is pretty damn good, alpha is where all the other effects get inserted with beta testing for bigs and whatnot. This is merely a placeholder for them to build upon in the alpha stage to add in all the bells and whistles.

Sparx

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

@Fryfat: haha totally. I really liked that mechanic, actually.

The water will look better. It has to. I mean, think about how good these guys made mud look.

D2point0

Cenobite

JorgieX

artistpavel

henri1kk

Were you really expected the game to look like a pre-rendered trailer? Wow...

I don't see how this looks terrible...Obviously it isn't fully polished yet (still 60% left to do), but races are looking mighty fine.

The water does need some work. It looks pretty, but the cars just don't seem to interact well with it as Mcwhertor says.

LittleBigPlaneteer

tomsamson

I too loved the hell out of the game, and I stood by it as well. The gameplay completely made up for any features the game didn't have. It just felt right. The tracks were just as good too.

Hell I might even say it's the best off-road racing game so far.

FIRST!!!

PogiJet

Tom Clancy's Samuraidino

Sparx

Might as well skip this one then..

LBP Here I come.. [wait rather].

talk2sk

LittleBigPlaneteer

iFlash

DigiMish

What? Motorstorm had multiplayer dude...

LittleBigPlaneteer

What's up Excite Truck?

Fryfat

Guys, sorry, but that's not something you should have to get feedback on. There is no excuse for not having some type of multiplayer on a single system. None.

Stratovarius

iamcool388