I don't know how hard I'm going to laugh when I see this. But I'm predicting that I'll register at least a tickle.

Infallible

cameleon

Willy105

[s11.photobucket.com]

dunnace

pcphantom

Nintendo, Microsoft, ready: FIGHT!

crashlanding

KM91

hollowfreak

knigkarl

DugDawg

Think for a second.

1.The Wii is a mess b/c of graphics, online and waggle.

2.Not everyone is liking this idea of waggle 360.

3.The people that are aren't always the same people that bash the Wii. You have no idea what their opinion is of Wii.

4.The 360 will clearly have non motion and motion games. You want to play a motion game, cool, then back to real controller for depth or "real gaming" or whatever you want to call it. The Wii...all waggle. Except for a few Nintendo games.

karasu is my homeboy

Al Bino

if the controller is real, its coming way too late in the console life cycle.
it basically has no shot of changing anything whatsoever. unless you are expecting evey 360 gamer to buy banjo kazooie 3. banjo is a tough sell on 360 to begin with, let alone packaged with a peripheral that would run the cost of the game to $100.

sitsalot

GuardianEarth

Superstar90

(they won't.)

you mean similar to the DUAL SHOCK 3?
MS will ship it will the game, but for a lil bit more? look at scene it... came with 4 remotes and batteries for the price of a game... game included....

kronickidd

Now, the Wii is cheaper than a 360, so, it seems to me that if someone buys a 360 instead of a Wii, that's because he don't want to play something like the Wii.. so.. what's exactly the point here!?

@I_fit_in: Metroid Prime 3, Wario Ware, PES2008, basically anything that uses the pointer feature.. but not the wagglin :P

CockroachMan

beaus27

edhe (xbl)

And when you're not using said orb for gaming, you could play "Phantasm" and chase your friends around with it, oh daydreams...

KenogaBrave

This is why I think it wouldn't be too far off that Rare would be tasked with utilising a Xbox remote. I'd be willing to bet that Banjo would pull off a spin attack if you waggle it, or have the ability to fire off 'star bits' that you collect in-game!

Stompy1

"Good God, what have we done?! Stop the presses, we gotta get a remote in there ASAP!"

I still love how we take TV remotes for granted but when a console gets one it's sliced bread.

StickyPurpleCat

marlblank

okrangerbob

There is no possible way that this is a serious post

If so, the anti-Microsoft feeling on this site has reached a new low

Snuffbox

kotordeusexfan

AlbertHaedjinn

Bleeeee

jacksons98

kovac

But if its Microsoft waggle, hell yeah because I can waggle at better graphics and "improved" motion in my games.

I just can't wait to see the praise in this by the Microsoft crowd after almost year and a half of trolling the Wii concept.

And please those who are intelligent or at least logic, maybe you won't do this and will keep the same opinion you had in this matter, but for the other 360 owners this kind of comment will apply.

WDYC

ceokhan

In other news, forget the controller! We get to finally see Banjo next week with its reported "revolutionary new gameplay feature"!!!

DARTH_TIGRIS

D Mitsuki

The stamper brothers(founders of rare) sold their 51% stake to Microsoft. Following that Nintendo sold their 49% stake as well. MS paid a total of $377,000,000 which if i remember correctly is the largest amount paid for a video game studio.

CCCombobreaker

What? The only M games they did on the N64 were perfect dark and conker. Im pretty sure that even Killer instinct on the n64 was T. Oh, and they made the best kart racing games? Diddy kong racing sucks compared to mario kart...

Honestly Rare isn't that great of a developer. They never were. Thats why it was dumb of Microsoft to buy Rare for the price they did, but I suppose MSG needed some IPs for the Xbox platform.
PDZ=Only good if you're expecting a typical N64 era shooter.
Kameo=Awesome platformer and rare's last great game to date
Viva pinata=Not bad, but a kids game and thus boring for anyone over the age of 12.

If you think Microsoft ruined Rare you're wrong...Rare really hasnt changed at all.

CCCombobreaker

Other than controller add-ons (two of them), they haven't earned the rank of master.

Optional HDD and WiFi even with the Elite, alongside controller chargers qualify as more significant add-ons. There is the HD-DVD drive and the late introduction of HDMI, while not an add-on, screams of catching up.

The thing that bugs me the most is that the Toslink is never part of the system itself. It's always part of the AV cable so unless you use HDMI for audio, there is a bit of a signal quality loss.

SG79

JorgieX

JorgieX

Albanian_Killa

Dtothewayneo

Thorax

Pioneer? DVD was developed by Sony and Toshiba.

I don't think you wrote enough to get the sarcasm across, so go on.

SG79

I have a hard time thinking that if the X-mote will sell well if it adds too much to the price of the games. $90 or $80 for a banjo game seems a bit steep to me.

ProfWho

okenny :)

But lets back track, I thought the game developers hated the WII controls. I thought they said the people who like the WII aren't real gamers and can't be marketed to. Yet MS is deciding to do something with a Motion Control remote if this rumor is to be believed, wouldn't this just piss off their developers?

Really you are a developer you fear Nintendo ruining gaming, you then go and watch MS take a page from their book, what do you do then? While MS is busy chasing Nintendo all they are doing is leaving the back door open for Sony to ransack them clean. Not to mention the fans who said the industry would copy waggle, they are going to band against this idea hard.

What do you think Sony is going to say to devs? See we are the only one for you, We are making a come back, MS is busy chasing Waggle, really if this is MS trump card, then something has really gone wrong is Xbox360 land.

zsavior

Honestly, I didn't even think of that game. But if LucasArts does add waggle control on the Xbox 360 version of Force Unleashed, then I won't be needing a Wii.

adinnieken

Desperate because it shows that they didn't have the foresight to see the popularity of motion control in the first place, and now they want that market too.

Sad really in the point that for so long Xbox 360 developers have been saying how much of a gimmick motion was. Now if this rumor be true, much recanting will have to be done.

Not to say that any accountability in statements prior to the release of the Wii will be regurgitated by the gaming internet press. But just saying that if they do do this thing, some people will need to eat their hats.

DarkprinceArmon

u got some issue's.

who gives a rat's.

Dakobah

So far on the 360 Rare has been tasked to make kiddie games and casual crap.
Back in the day of the N64 Rare was solid gold and made the best M rated games around. Also the best adventure-platformers and kart racing games.

Really, what's become of them under MS is really sad.

fenderfuel08

MS has and will always gun for the #1 spot in any market. The original Xbox didn't do that, and the 360 isn't doing that either worldwide (they're leading in one territory). So naturally they're looking into the best way possible to claim that spot. By imitating the current market leader that is.

SG79

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

What do you mean desperate? Explain how one of the biggest companies in history is desperate to emulate someone elses popular technology? Oh please, elaborate on that for all of us.

Godzilla-Sushi

I don't know (and don't care) about everyone else, but I'd much rather just push that god damn button.

MBCpeanut

Godzilla-Sushi

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

DarkprinceArmon

Imagine someone 5 years ago...

"So, is this going to be like the Guitar Hero controller then, too? Used for one game, packed in with said game, and forgotten afterwards?"

scottyman218

For all we know it could really add to the gameplay.

CCCombobreaker

FP_slomo788

Bicro

MBCpeanut

VakeroRokero

There's a market so they're catering to it. I don't get the point of Nintendogs but tons of people played it. It's just not my kind of game. That doesn't mean that it was stupid, just not for me.

I happen to enjoy my waggle very much and the more companies get into it, the more refined it will be. Competition is good for us my friend.

egyptomix

Xcite79

A motion controller on the 360 allows the few good 3rd party titles on the Wii to be ported over. There were heaps of people who said they wanted to play a better looking 'No More Heroes' but my response was that without motion controls the game would lose a lot of its appeal. It could be possibly upgraded and ported. Resident Evil 5 is on its way, and after playing 4 on the Wii, i could never go back to a controller for that type of game. The 360 could have the edge on that title.

It could also give an alternative to the duel analogue setup for FPS'. I'm playing Metroid Prime 3 atm and my god is the control scheme fluid and amazing. Imagine if that could be integrated into already existing popular FPS titles.

So yeah, this could actually be a bigger move than i originally thought. Seeing how it is still a rumour though, i guess we'll have to see.

Atomicvege

MC2829

Clear the system. Start from square one again.

Besides, I WANT another mode 7 game.

Bicro

yeah. Kameo was ok. I doubt it would have been any better on any other system,
And you are right about the Mario 64 clones. That was the main reason I never bought the BanjoKs and Donkey Kong games. Not that they were bad games, just that it was too samey for my tastes. But Jet Force Gemeni (even though it was hard to control) was really good. And Conker for the 64 was great. Only game that was diffrent enough from Mario for me to purchase. I didn't buy the remake though.

I wonder how big the staff is at Rare now. They take forever to make games.

Netnavi

All the best games on the wii (TP, SMG, SSBB) Play the exact same using a gamecube controller.

Name on Wii game that puts the wii controls to new use that doesn't completely suck?

I_fit_in

It's like you know the truth, but can't tell us the truth, so you write about someone else who happens to blab about it early.

Heh? Am I onto something? Yeah...I see the corners of your mouth twitching. It's cool, your secrets safe with me.

egyptomix

Say Banjo-Threeie is the first 360 game to use this fabled "X-mote". It would stand to reason that the game could possibly be bundled with said remote in order to aid in market penetration. If that is the case...

If that is the case, will we have post after post of people claiming that sales of Banjo-Threeie shouldn't count because it comes with a "waggle" remote that is looking to be more than just a one-off peripheral and therefore should be considered a hardware accessory?

megaStryke

I remember that. Some people call Cd's tapes to this day. haha.

Netnavi

Netnavi

what i played of Kameo seemed as good as their N64 adventure stuff? was it not?

Sinnbox

Why is it so anemic now?

Netnavi

TheExiledLeader

Sinnbox

Rare used to be great though. Everyone always anticipated the newest Rare release back then. Ever since they brought new life into the SNES with Donkey Kong they had bought enough clout to create Goldeneye , Perfect Dark BanjoKazzoie 1 and 2 , Frikkin Blast Corps!!!!

Rare had a great run with Nintendo. Now RAre sucks and you can say that. As soon as MS bought them they worked on Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Then the remake of Conker then onto 360 with Kameo and Banjo 3. The output of Rare has been cut in half and I think it has to be the fault of MS (and a bunch of guys leaving to make their own company *ahem*)

This is just more crap that Rare has become since MS has them.

Netnavi

Sinnbox

KingBroly

Business-wise it doesn't seem as if it would cost them much and it has the potential to pay off decently. If it fails - oh well, a small investment. If it work - well good for them.

If you don't think Sony has something like this in the works, think again.

lionkitten

Sinnbox

Look at it this way, this is the difference between buying a Sony Bravia versus a Vizio or a Spectra. Microsoft is counting on the fact that people know about the Wiimote.

I'm not saying that all consumers are stupid, I'm just saying that Nintendo has proven to the industry that there's a market out there that are looking for shallow (I don't mean this in a negative way) gaming experience and just need for the interface to be less intimidating... even if they end up just buying one day.

I just hope Banjo doesn't become a Viva Pinata Party Animal game :(

okenny :)

mcool93

Oh, your a clever one. How long did it take you to come up with that one?

Tomahawk214

its no different than nintendo releaseing the wiimote and sony coming out a week later station that they now have motion control, and how whomever is behind sony always wanted to have motion since ps1

Jamaces

Though, I hope you understand where I'm coming from..

DarkCode

Sinnbox

okenny :)

DaiMacculate

I think you're underestimating the 'casual' audience, though. They aren't completely fuckin' stupid like that. I can't get my mom, who owns a Wii, to play a 'hardcore' game to save her life. She just won't do it. She tried Mario Galaxy when I told her how it was getting great scores, but didn't like it. The thing is, I don't have to tell her what kind of game it is. I give her Okami and she looks at the back of the box and says, "No, I don't like these kind of games."
These people know what they're buying.

If MS packages Banjo 3 with the Xmote (or whatever), the people who are buying the Wii are smart enough to figure out that they're buying a 'hardcore' platformer and not a Wii Sports-esque game.

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

If I offended you then I'm very sorry. It was the alcohol that did it to me. I'm waiting for my dish washer to finish washing my meat cutting board so I can make Thai curry with beef for a late dinner and I had a swig of Captain Morgans private stock and saw a Banjo picture. I was expecting to see an orgy of excitement but I quickly realized MS was being attacked and I had to spring into action. I have my Triimote bullet points lined up and it went like this:

* Tell them it's just like the Wiimote
* If they resist, break them down with insults and then preach to them as they will be more accepting afterwards
* Don't forget to mention the attach rate of the 360
* What ever you do, don't bring up RROD

There you have it. You'd think those fuckers at M$ would give me a job by now. Son¥ would have hired me a long time ago and Nintend☼ says they hate fanboys :(

You're probably wondering why I posted this... that's all am asking for.

okenny :)

Sinnbox

Seriously though between KI, DKC and the games I just mentioned, Rare was pretty awesome even before the N64. Of course, Broderbund used to be awesome too...P

DaiMacculate

Besides, an option doesn't become an option if it becomes required in any sense of the word. It's a bit much that I'm assuming the controller is going to be required instead of optional for this game, but at the same time, I'll bet there won't be many who will use the motion controller under the idea of being given an option.

Personally, I hate one time use for a specific game controllers. Though, I do enjoy Rock band and Guitar hero, I do not own them because of that fact and I guess I'm not so into it that I would deem a purchase a good idea.

Just because the Wii is doing well, doesn't mean it's because of the many different peripherals required to play some games.

I'm just saying from a typical hardcore view it's a stupid idea, and thus will alienate them.

DarkCode

Archaotic

Well, then, that's your opinion...and not a particularly good one at that. They have had some weaker titles (Star Fox Adventures, anyone?), but calling their N64 lineup "trash" means you're throwing away some of the best games on the system.

Banjo-Kazooie and its sequel, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Donkey Kong 64...if memory serves, all of those games got good to glowing reviews and (with the exception of Jet Force Gemini) they all sold incredibly well.

spiderweb1986

Let's all remember it takes games to make a peripheral successful. If Microsoft wants this clone to succeed, it's going to need more than a franchise that hasn't seen a real release in about ten years from a studio that is only a shadow of its former self.

Despacio

Well put.

SG79

I don't read EGM, and I'm also not saying those companies don't have some form of QC...just disagreeing with your relatively optimistic assessment of their overall effectiveness :)

@Archaotic: I thought LO had a bad save bug right around release, (since fixed), perhaps I'm confusing it with another game? Anyway, Vampire Rain is a MUCH better example, I agree.

Hell, Aquaman for PS2 and Xbox1...ugh.

DaiMacculate

@DaiMacculate:
"Unless they're changing Banjo's genre, I'm curious to see how their motion controller works compared to SMG, the nearest analog I can think of on the Wii."

This is certainly one way to try and suck in the Nintendo fanboy audience, I suppose. That is the only reason I can imagine them doing something like this. But Microsoft can't possibly think that this would work, can they? Packaging a motion controller with Banjo of all games would be completely missing the point of the Wii.

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

Despacio

Best not to overthink it. Much like the word extreme that some marketing companies dubbed Xtreme for products, Sony decided to call it PSX. Xperimental.

SG79

DaiMacculate

Leanid

megaStryke

Publishers will have a chance to go multi-platform with similar controls and developers will have the benefit of knowing that they have even more options for user accessibility in their games. I'm one of the people who believes that the Wii's rate of success isn't sustainable unless they can speak to a market who's willing to spend money on software in mass. Microsoft has this market and needs to expand it's platform so taking on consumers who will generally have lower attach rates does not really have a negative impact on them. One of the main reasons for this would be the 360 is at a point in its life cycle where they can make it cheap enough to gain a profit and therefore grow the install base without a loss. They can effectively introduce peripherals that may sell systems without too much risk.

They can win big or walk away from the table down a couple of bucks. Besides, you gamers bitch and moan. When you see Crecente and Fahey with a goofy grin on their faces actually having fun while swinging around the Triimote, you'll be like "that looks awesome".... you know you want it ;)

okenny :)

It still confuses me -.-

eunoia

Sinnbox

randlsa

The code name for the project. Much like Dolphin for GC, Katana for the US DC project, and Xbox... which ended up remaining Xbox.

SG79

This ain't GTA4 we're talking about. XD

But yeah, there are some games on 360 with real bugs, or just bad ones in general. Like Vampire Rain!

Archaotic

who cares

Because back in 94 prior to the final name, the code name was PlayStation EXperimental.

SG79

Do people understand that if Microsoft goes through with this, that that's what Nintendo actually wants?

From the start, Nintendo's been talking about disruption. Forcing the industry to change the way games are played. Forcing the gamer and developer to rethink the way they go about things. Thus, the Wii is introduced. Nintendo wanted it to become the new standard for control because they had the foresight to see that the traditional way would merely cause the industry to become stale.

Microsoft doing this is just the first step in helping Nintendo keep the industry alive.

I recommend reading up a bit of Malstrom.

[malstrom.50webs.com]

That should do well.

EggmaniDS

Sinnbox

DaiMacculate

Sinnbox

DaiMacculate

Archaotic

FP_slomo788

So you're saying the 360 *never* gets crappy games? Did that change from the original Xbox or something?

That has nothing to do with the mounds of shovelware on the Wii, which are prodigous. But that has more to do with the development cost equation on the Wii and the console's stupifying sales numbers than it does MS being some type of quality judge barring the gates to the 360. I've played enough ass games on both consoles to know MS is no better than Nintendo in that regard.

Know what console has more shovelware than either? The PS2, because it has sold so many units.

There is also a decent argument that the 360 gets more good games than the Wii, but since the console is older and its games have been in development longer that hardly seems fair at this point. Personally I own both and play entirely different types of games on each, but yeah I just haven't seen this awesome QC you are attributing to MS on the majority of games on the console, sure on Halo or GTAIV they went the extra mile, but then there are games like LO or that ST game bethesda did, totally broken if not just crappy in the case of the latter.

DaiMacculate

Abel

Sorry for being off topic, it confuses me.

eunoia

Archaotic

Leanid

Plus PS3 ustomers are going to have to buy a DS3 and trash their 6axis, and Wii owners will be buying that new Balance board, and ....

Sinnbox

Deathscythe102290

It's a mouse... that doesn't require a surface to use... and has a analog/roll ball on the top... and has more buttons... and has 6 way motion sensing... and speed sensing... and directional use...

eunoia

FP_slomo788

lifeinthefridge

Sinnbox

...seriously, Microsoft, what the hell?

Murmaider

Why are you making a motion controller you're not going to steal any potential Wii buyers and you're just going to look bad.

And why the hell are you tying this knock off of a gimmick to my BANJO!

Seriously, wtf @Microsoft. Wtf.

karasu is my homeboy

Real lightsaber action, none of this "move it twice to the right for a swash" kinda effect

Scrapple

Sinnbox

So this is a product which, even if it fails, may still be fascinating in some way, kind of like the 32X :)

DaiMacculate

okenny :)

akashhhhh

FP_slomo788

seriously how much does Rare wish they were still with Nintendo. All this time they could have been pumping out better games on the Wii and made gobs of money while on the 360 MS doesn't know what to do with them and they are left to flounder on 1 or 2 games.

Either that or Rare just sux now.

Netnavi

@slomo788: It is pretty good. The Kotaku crew is getting good at this.

okenny :)

Sinnbox

My response to that would be generic at best.

Maldron

Archaotic

FP_slomo788

Rockwallaby

DaiMacculate