Wait 30 minutes

Would you like to install this game demo you just downloaded for another 30 minutes because we have no content on our store?

WingZero987

Granted, you're not paying for PSN, so it's hard to feel cheated in any way, even if it goes down or isn't 100%. With XBL it's much easier to feel like you're being let down because you are paying a fee (even if it is a rather small one) - which is probably why people blow it out of proportion and say things like "Live SUCKS this year", when problems have been rather insignificant.

stupidfanboy

What is it that you're trying to imply, okenny? That IGN doctored a fake video or that Sony did? Either way, the original video was uploaded to Youtube on September 13, 2006. Way before the release of the PS3. If it were a fake, it would be a hoax that rivals that of the elaborate april fools Zelda movie.

flashtut

Replica23

JustinS

I cant belive home isnt out yet. I would actually pay for something like live on ps3, its one of the consoles biggest downfalls

speakafreaka

To everyone else. Typing at work without getting caught on the web leads to a bad post.

Point being, after buying a bunch of items I'm left with pennies on my account because item cost is $x.99 and I only see the option to....well see above.

SAKY

okenny :)

okenny :)

UFO

I think it is completely normal for there to be slow downs and such, and it will take time for the service to catch up. XBL had one iteration out before it hit the 360 and even then it has problems, like size limitations and down times (+ you have to pay for it).

Knight-Zero

Actually the in-game XMB was already in development but never made it to the final PS3 release. So what you've heard is probably a myth. I still get in-game screen pop-up alerts if one of my friends logs-in, so I don't see how that's less rude.

+ Watch video

flashtut

Hopefully by the time I actually get a PS3, they'll have all this stuff fixed.

Xerxes3rd

rotcepsurt

Yes, there is value in making all these services into one place and making it easy to access all of them. Look at the iPod.

Datheron

Still, not enough if you ask me. I think the solution to most problems really is in-game XMB because with that you would be able to have a second operation, i.e. music playback or voice chat, running simultaneously.

Candlejack

rotcepsurt

UFO

kingmanic

I would gladly pay for PSN if it offered the quality of online service that Live has given me.

I rarely use PSN, even for demos. Many of the reasons I don't use PSN are described in the article.

I like my small cheap indie games!

MonkeyBiz

enewtabie

dawimp523

They don't care if its a game or software that has encryption. Software export / import is treated the same way. If there is an algorythm in it its subject to import/export laws. It's quite possible that japan is more open to software importing/exporting or possibly they have a more evolved method to differentiate between different software.

PS: welcome to the free world..

gnudna

@karateka: While it may be an unintended side effect that some of the best games make it through the PSN process, it really should be that the process of getting onto the PSN is simple, but if a game is bad it'd be stopped by quality control and not because no one wants to go through the trouble of publishing on the network. It's weird to see Sony kinda take both sides of the openness issue - for every "open UT3 mods" there's a "closed PSN" counterpoint.

Datheron

kingclip

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

enewtabie

@kingclip: It's coded into the game. Hot shots golf could have been brilliant, but I couldn't get over the lack of voice chat. The lobby could have been brilliant with a proximity based voice chat system.

rotcepsurt

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

kingclip

enewtabie

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

rotcepsurt

I dont see any left over pennies, PSN adds the exact amount needed for my cart into my PSN wallet form my credit card, confirms purchase then my wallet is back to 0. I see no problem here. No hotdog/bun scenario like with MS points. (I guess you can tie your credit card to purchase MS points but I was always cautioned against that so I never did. Does MS make you buy the exact amount of points you want or do they only sell them in regular intervals online?)

Derigor

rotcepsurt

@SAKY:
Age old economics my friend. 4.99 is not five dollars.

enewtabie

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

Sony wanted PSN to be a more "indie" type of store (not sure what else to call it)where the quantity sure isnt at the level of XBLA,but quality is better and they didn't want to stuff the store full of the entire library of 5k games.What I think hasn't been expected is the definite demand for older PS1/psp titles and they are going to have to catch up there.

enewtabie

SAKY

rotcepsurt

Cloral

Jest

Derigor

(pause: keep in mind that i don't give a fuck about what you like to play, so please don't flame me about some console war bullshit. unpause)

most of the arcade games i'd be likely to play, i already have. (smash tv on the midway PS2 collection, SF2 on the capcom collection, hexic and bejeweled on pogo, tmnt, goldne axe on MAME) so, buying them again doesn't make sense for me. i know that i'd be pissed if i got undertow as a "gift" for XBL being out for two weeks or however long it was.

for me, a game like everyday shooter was a really good buy. granted, i haven't played it in awhile because of the big game that came out and doing the metal gear online beta, but it's a game that you can pick up after you're done playing GTA4 or whatever. there are alot of games like that on PSN that i use to "wind down" before and after playing more "hardcore" games. playing pain and super stardust HD are some of the simplest gaming pleasures i've had in the "next gen," downloadable games-wise.

i don't know about how easy it is getting games to go up on PSN, but that cap on games for XBLA is already biting them in the ass. and before anyone starts with the fanboy response of "if a game is bigger then the cap, they just raise it," (for big games that possibly could perform better on PSN) the point could be made: what about developers that maybe DON'T have a slam dunk hit game? why not lift the cap in general? why limit what developers can do? (this is assuming that they are developing solely for XBLA) i mean, i know why, but just thinking out loud. if i were making a game, i'd be more likely to make it for the service that doesn't make me have to work to limit what i want to make by having to have the worry of "is this going to fit?"

whatever. that's just me. you may resume flame wars and console bashing......

jfx316

samaine

In fact, they should bring all of the PSP games to PSN. I also don't understand why it's taking so long to bring PS1/PS2 games to PSN. Actually, I do understand why but it's still frustrating!!!

rawg

Yeah,it can be done.Just gotta motivate folks some...and add in a few levels for $19.99.

enewtabie

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

enewtabie

karateka

Basically,a group or just one person with a small amount of money could develop and distribute their game on PSN.The costs are low,you can set your own price and there are no size limits on psn except for umd releases(1.8g).Someone with a good design like Mak did,would get the added benefit of Sony's help,but you really don't need it.It is nice though:)

I'm championing Patapon for a PSN release myself..

enewtabie

flashtut

(Hey look, something relevant to the article that isnt feeding the troll!)

Derigor

For those who didn't raise their hand, please shup up.

globones

GOLD5

It's simply about the indie pipelines with each service. Not which service is better than the other.

AdeptVoice

:)

1 sentence, 11 words, and half of Kotaku start to flip their wigs.

You guys should stay on topic tho...

The "Good, Bad and Ugly" Of Kotaku Comments this is not!

I Spit On Your Comments

THe PS store is greatly improved with the new interface....but they really have to work on the release schedule and scraps they throw in every week are really frustrating at times.

I have both and spend lots on both......though admittedly alot more on XBL Arcade I have to admit (46+ games).

The wait for WIPEOUT HD is killing me. CMON SONY!!!

dirtypanda

Dood, the article was never about PSN and XBL and which one was better. It was an observation on the state on indie and original games on the PSN. Yet you feel the need to defend youself by saying "xbl>psn". Please shup up and find your way out the door.

globones

Maybe Sony will have the PSN up to par by PS4.
XBL > PSN

Is flamebait/trolling. Why cause the argument? I'm certain you have the intellectual capability to state and explain your opinion in a much more civil and respectable manner.

Candlejack

LittleBigPlaneteer

I understand that there are legal issues in play: licensing, rating, etc. along with localization issues but Sony should be helping developers overcome those challenges rather than contributing their own internal regional idiosyncrasies to mix.

Sony's not the only one though. MS has the same problems distributing video in different regions and Apple has all of it's various regional iTunes Music Stores. Hopefully, the big players will work together to find a workable model for multi-regional distribution. I'm not holding my breath though.

rawg

enewtabie

Or in short that you are just another person in need of internet attention... well George Carlin you're not.

zoesch

XBL > PSN (omg, kill me, i'm a horrible person)

I Spit On Your Comments

What do you mean though - losing? I get paid by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to be a different fanboy every day....lol

Candlejack

kingclip

fresh1

enewtabie

enewtabie

Now if comments could kill.....

I Spit On Your Comments

RaepGoblin

enewtabie

Please read the article before you comment. It's about the state of Indiegames on PSN not about how many demos or wallpapers can be found on PSN.

Garo

So overall, I do think Scott Steinberg and the other Sony execs do have a right to say that PSN is doing a good job for independents - especially given the great work done by first-party to pick up indie games and give them the respect they deserve.

But a regular third-party worldwide PSN release schedule - and not just from major publishers who have to strain to accomplish it - would really give "entrepreneurial developers the chance to get in and make their games available on the PSN." So look at your infrastructure, and make it happen, Sony.

An obvious big positive is the lack of the cap on game sizes.

SG79

cdammers

PSN is just a work in progress. They aren't settled on a few things and need to trick out a couple of processes and features. Things are bound to become better with enough whining and bitching. I don't see this as a problem but an inconvenience.

@tslothrop: Well, I tried the demo, but didn't like it that much. Glad you get so much joy out of it though. There's something for everybody on PSN after all :)

Candlejack

string_theory

KirbySS

kingclip

I was going to pick up Echochrome, but I don't see the point. It would just be relegated to the side while I worked on getting my rainbows!

tslothrop

samaine

kingmanic

because your posts have a fanboy toxicity level of +10.

globones

MizzouPhan

kingclip

fresh1

I Spit On Your Comments

enewtabie

@Kum0: By your logic, the most expensive console equals the best quality. I disagree.

Candlejack

I don't pay and I get it a bit late, but get it none the less.

Hmm. ;)

Raiden218

The article isnt talking about quality of ps3 online play.

globones

@MonkeyBiz: That's been nagging in my head for a long time. If Sony ever(?) becomes dominate again and the PSN actually is much better, then what's stopping them from charging like MS does with LIVE?

goldwings

That said, the international stuff is annoying -- why don't we have Dark Mist here yet?

Also, when it comes to cool, innovating titles, Echochrome now trumps Flow as far as I'm concerned. It's actually keeping me away from GTA at times.

kingclip

globones

Kum0

I Spit On Your Comments

jp182

超外人

MonkeyBiz