<![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Maybe the problem is just that EA Sports games come with shitty manuals and shitty tutorials. That's why I bought Madden 2007 and gave up on figuring it out. If Squenix can build a convoluted JRPG that I can figure out in ten minutes without even knowing the language, why the hell can't EA?

James in Dupont

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Well, Peter Moore sure got the part of EA games being shallow right...

Strangely, it seems fitting that he works for EA. Does anyone think that he looks a bit, oh... I dunno...

SQUIRRELLY?

Soldier_CLE

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> There are better casual Wii game analogies, and don't call me Shirley.

vamponymouse

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @LaughingCrow: You're focusing too much on yourself, I think. I hate sports titles now too, and it's fairly obvious that regular gamers are getting bored of the same old shtick every year and have simply stopped purchasing games. EA sees this coming, so now they're shifting their demographic over a gaming generation, younger kids with Wiis (It's a fairly large demographic nowadays, y'know?) It's not about the realistic gameplay. That matter to US. Not to those who are next in line. Did Blitz 2000 appeal due to realism when I was 12 years old? No. It appealed to me cause I could bash the crap outta guys while mashing the A button. I didn't give to cartridges about realism.

They're not doing downloadable content because most parents and their 10 year olds don't know how to set up a modem.

We're becoming a suckier demographic for EA Sports by the month, and now they're doing something about it.

Krackatoa

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Like the rest of you, I laughed pretty hard at EA being "the deep end".

RageKage

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Haha, "shallow end." He just doesn't give a damn anymore.

Lexcalibur

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Just call your next football game "Maddenz 2009."

It'll work, just watch.

Godzilla-Sushi

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> It seems like he wants the Wii to fail. It seems like he still has a little Microsoft in him...

KM91

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @Krackatoa: We're talking about EA Sports here. They're real sports simulators, which already have millions and millions of fans worldwide. It's a 3D world they are already used to see. They only need to get used to the controller. That is it. Although I do own a NES, I started my gaming mostly with the first PlayStation. Heck, even my uncle picked that up quite quickly (untill he discovered weels and racing games). EA is just desperate to appeal to more possible customers. Which is kind of weird, since I don't spect the production costs to be too high, and my brother used to buy every FIFA game every year. He admited to me that the games did not differ that much version to version, and he ended up sticking to one of the previous versions cos he said in his opinion they screwed up in the gameplay somewhere along the line. I should ask him for details.

IMO EA is just moving to the Wii because, like sports, it is already exposed to a big enough audience. Plus, it's less production costs, it's a win-win. Well, I suposse buying licenss to use player names is EXPENSIVE and all that, so more sells and less production costs is the best for them. I always wonder why EA doesn't go with something like updates or downloadable content, that seems even more like a win for me.

I think EA Sports made a great pool when they started, with deep and shallow parts, but little by little they removed all the water, the people that were already in stayed, but people are afraid to enter because there is no water. To an "insider" the pool is great (maybe starting to become not so great), to an outsider like me (who doesn't like sports) or an outsider that likes sports but not video games, there is nothing appealing about it.

LaughingCrow

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @Onizuka-GTO: YES, games can be wide but casual. why do people have to be so intense about everything XD...

Bruisedbaby666

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> HAHAHA! he forgot that, Nintendo's "shallow end" has been free swim since 75' ^__^) Wii has been owning them with a shallow end console for the past 1 1/2 years lol. i can't wait to see how bad these games are!

Bruisedbaby666

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @Brendar: Hell, I've been playing video games for almost 25 years since my tiny hands got lifted up to a game of moon patrol by my pinball fan father, and *I* spent forever on the Wii Woods tutorial.

To further this analogy, sometimes I LIKE the shallow end, hell, sometimes I just want to sit on the edge and dip my feet in. I don't want to swim laps all the time, and that's as an experienced and talented swimmer.

HAGE

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> I don't think people realize how casual the casual gamer tends to be.

My cousin told me she bought Tiger Woods for the Wii and her family was stuck on the tutorial for nearly an hour, unable to figure out how to get to the actual game. These people need a shallow end for gaming.

Brendar

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @EmeraldDragon: HA! So true that they bought out the real sports game devs because their product is too weak to stand up to any competition.

Mr.SithNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Madden is the deep end of the swimming pool? Clearly EA is afraid to get out of the kiddie pool and go swim with the grown ups.

EmeraldDragon

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Peter Moore = go die. You fecking liar.

Solarion

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Ah, a delicious Kotaku commentor Wii Hatred appetizer.

HAGE

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> If Wii games got any more shallow they would cease to exist.

Mr.SithNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> I don't see why people are getting so fussy about this. I had a few kids to entertain one night so I thought I'd set them up with an easy game since they didn't play much. So I handed them Smash Bros for the Wii, toted as a casual-party-beat'em'up that critics complained couldn't hold water to other fighters complexity wise.

They were completely befuddled by it.

They didn't understand the controls in the slightest. Remember when you were young and you had to pause before each action to check where the buttons were? Well, kids today still do that.

In swimming, you gotta give them some waterwings before they can tread water, let alone do laps of the pool. Some people just want to dip their feet in. Same goes for videogames. Hence the shallow end analogy. You're just being a douche because you think the pool should be reserved for "real swimmers". Well, the real pool's are over that way. *points to the PS3, 360 and PC*

I figure we got lucky when it came to learning curves in videogames. When I was young, I started out on the original Nintendo. Two buttons and a D-pad. TWO BUTTONS AND A D-PAD! So when EA tries to give the same experience but in a full-3D environment, you get angry over wasted resources and "shovelware".

Well screw you guys. I want to share my games with other people, kids and adults alike who haven't played games much before, there's no other console on the market that caters to that audience. That's why I got a Wii. If you want to go solo, do laps or play seriously, you have a mound of alternatives in front of you.

Like Onizuka-GTO said earlier, the only real crime here is overcharging for lower-budget games. Prices these days are out of control, with the price of games today, it's no wonder that the average game-library never extends outside of Wii-Sports and Wii-Play. Until that fixes itself, or until older titles get cheaper, these casual games aren't going to do as well as they could be doing.

[/rant]

Krackatoa

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> I'm loving the glowing redness that are your eyes Peter. Keep up the good w...um, do these guys actually do anything useful other than try to brainwash us with the Jedi mind trick into believing the companies they represent aren't full of crap?

dirkxxdiggler

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> I think he is so wrong, I think game need more. I find everything is getting nerfed for the casual gamer. piss me off.

boots555

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> What he meant to say was, "We've been creating games that require some skills and use real sports rules. But for the wii, we have to dumb it down where it doesn't involve any button pushing. Basically all you have to do is wave the controller and it does the rest." There are many wiis out there. We don't have to make great games...someone will still bite."

karateka

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> That 360 attach rate looks mighty fine with the deep end only, there are lessons to be learned there as well.

How about advertising the deep end more effectively, I think most casual (not non-gamer Wii fit types) can swim in the deep. People aren't doing a good job selling it to them on the Wii.

majatt

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Or, to complete your analogy, everyone else is pissing in there, we want some too.

Interstella5555

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @ShareYourTreats: so?

your saying we should throw inexperienced peopel who can't swim into the deep end? sheesh. have fun fishing out the drowned bodies!

But, just because it's "shallow" doesn't mean it's boring, games don't have to be "deep" they can be "wide" and be just as fun.

best bit, you don't have to hold your breath or risk drowning when your too tired to tread water.

:p

Onizuka-GTO

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> That is EXACTLY what casual games are, the shallow end, but the thing is everyone who is in the shallow end paid just as much money as the people in the full fledged pool which is why I HATE casual games.

The developers admit over and over again how casual these games are and hoe easy and fast and "shallow" they are but they still price them at $49.99 which is the price of a real fucking game.

ShareYourTreats

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Maybe this is a misguided analogy, that he's saying that they have to bring more gamers into the fold. Most people who swim start in the shallow end, then move on. It was poorly worded, tho....

Lurcharad

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @excel_excel:
You have to admit, the red eyes are errily appropriate for these articles.

Onizuka-GTO

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> this casual bullshit is going too far. publishers are buying into it, and soon they will find that the market isnt as big as they think it is.

so your ea sports titles didnt do well on wii...that means you have to create a casual label? all i know is maybe if the ea sports games on wii were decent, they would have sold more. how about actually trying instead of porting ps2 games and callign them wii games? how about some IR, is that asking too much?

seriously, did ea actually think these ps2 ports would sell well? as it stands, franchises like madden and nba live need some effort put into them. i can safely say that nba live wii is one of the worst games ive ever played, certainly the worst basketball game of all time.

sitsalot

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Yep.. EA is making games for a "deep pool".. but their forgetting to add the water :P

CockroachMan

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> So the kids and "casuals" get to screw about in the shallow end and the rest of us, who are used to swimming lengths in the deep and shallow, now have to cope with the newcomers getting in the way.

Please, no petting in the pool. And kids out after 5pm ;)

IronsUK

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> @Aerokii: fantastic!
Yeah someone should remind devs, casual games don't have be shit, and if there going to be small then they should be a lower price from the *ahem* less casual games.

excel_excel

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Shallow end of the pool is fine, but EA- much like the little kids that used the pool before them- will mostly likely use said pool as a toilet.

Aerokii

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> They're pretty good at Dirty Pool as well.

cordsie

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> No... I'm pretty sure Mr. Moore got it right.

Hoboman725

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Actually I wonder if those red eyes are natural this time....

excel_excel

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Hey, if anyone can do shallow, it's EA and Peter Moore!

rimshot!

cordsie

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> Surely..but to EA, no.

Jechticknight

]]> <![CDATA[Peter Moore Wants More "Shallow Pool" Wii Games]]> More shallow Wii games!!! COUNT ME IN!!!

Actually Peter Moore.....just shut the HELL up

excel_excel

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