freespeech

T.T

Mactheridon

taekwondonut

黒天使

Jnkzm4

Zonbi

But the degree to which is it jealously protected by fanboys and extolled to undeserving heights is astonishing. That itself is probably more substantial than the game itself.

Chupakun

@mcderek3000: Speaking of which, that would be great. I am actually playing Chrono Trigger on my SNES right now and was thing "How good would this look in HD?!?" Just got the Masamune fixed and I'm on my way to get Frog!

DarkFestim

Silver_Back

mcderek3000

No. You do not deserve to play the FF7 remake. Doing away with random battles would ruin the game.

Daobaz

When I played VI (III) when I was in middle school, I was amazed that this game had a character that tried to commit suicide, or they included teen pregnancy in the game. That was more of a shock to me, than seeing a main character get stabbed in the back. I've already seen it before when I played chrono trigger.

IMO i really think that today's final fantasy fans only grew up on VII, and really haven't broaden their horizons to the previous versions. Don't get me wrong VII was an enjoyable game, but it was very tedious. Ie the chocobo breeding, wth is that O_o.

I honestly don't think there should be a remake at this point in time, Square should focus on finishing up the final fantasy series, instead of going back to old ideas to make more money.

I still like VI better than VII and still think it's a whole bunch more better. VII made it's mark by making it the first FF game in 3d. When i was playing the Old squaresoft games, i wanted to see more and more games like what i played, and wish i had the money to import from japan to my snes.

I honestly think VI layed down the forefront for every other final fantasy game after that. Nobuo Uematsu borrowed musical elements from VI and added them to VII. Aerith's theme is just another version of celes' theme from VI.

I for one would not mind seeing FF VI remade. The cg that was made for the n64 made me happy, but i was disappointed that they weren't doing it. Moreover i wouldn't mind seeing the old games being remade with the newest technology. I think square would attract their older customer base back to the fold, than keeping the young and new ones they've made.

RanChan03

Tenchuu

It's nice that he wants the original teams and all, but still. How about just some of the original team. The last thing I'd want is for the remake to be a bare bones nothing-but-a-new-coat-of-paint kinda thing.

Akanubon

FF6 is sprite-art, and every gamer has their own idea(l)s of how the character would look like in HD. Same goes for their body-language. Getting them from 2D to 3D could ruin those idea(l)s. Battles are perfect. But the world there is not a place you want to stay in.

FF8 defined accurately the characters both in-game and in FMVs. Character body-language is also known. Battles can be perfect, normally can't beat the game without some thoughtful setup. (just don't whine that things are not interesting if you put 99 ultimas - you ruined your experience yourself). The world is likable, but not many secret side-quests iirc.

FF9 has very defined graphics, kinda meh battles imho, and not enough people like the world. It's perfectly fine for its fans.

FF10 and FF12 are recent enough.

FF7:AC defined the HD graphics and body-language of the FF7 characters, and everybody loved them. Summons and battles were shown in breathtaking "non-turn-based" fashion. Also, the beloved music was remade into a gorgeous soundtrack.

FF7:DoC served only to feed more FMV content with the high poly-count of AC. Plus a return to the beloved Gaia world, giving service to players' curiosity on how the characters are faring after all the turmoil, how the world is recuperating.

FF7:CC continued giving the HD (or well, the hi-poly FMV) feed, showing a beautiful story whose outcome was just briefly mentioned (yet was important) in FF7. The battles went closer to FF7:AC. The music was also closer to AC. The ending made you crave to start FF7 immediately.

FF7 ..you start it and see those 20-polygon chibi objects. UGH! They look clumsy and hilarious. The battles look nothing like the awesome standard that AC showed. And as you loved the Gaia world, you spent hundreds of hours playing in it; and you know that battles can nowadays be made more interesting and challenging nowadays. (plus you ought to be bored by the same battle-system after hundreds of hours). You know that with today's motion-capture and high poly-count you can see an incredibly wider spectrum of emotion emitted by characters, whose design you like.
So, FF7 is not perfect, but has a good enough story, likable characters, great ideas, and incredible potential. And on top of it all, millions of people love staying in the depicted world.
I think it won't be enough to just create one action-based battle-system and up the graphics. I'd love to have options to choose between several battle-systems, several types of foe-encounters, several ways of traveling around the planet (LOD too). And the ability to play the story in local+online co-op. Plus some simpler things like putting limitations on how boring you can make your play (so that i.e 10 consecutive times Attack is not allowed).

Still, FF8 is my fav FF game :P

somarix

Suzaku

You give me a new-gen remake of FFVII, and you've got my $60. You give me a new-gen remake of Chrono Trigger, and you can have my first born.

AtomicPlayboy

I played FFVI before VII, and honestly, I don't understand the appeal for VI. Feeding Cid fish? The Celes opera scene? Those parts didn't do much for me. It's a great game don't get me wrong, but I don't see why FF veterans need to bash on VII every chance they get. It's entirely subjective, people. Aeris' death meant a lot more to me than Celes' attempted suicide or Cid's death in VI. Stop raining on our parade and talking about how there's better RPG's out there. Perhaps there are to you, but to many fans like myself, we have a lot of fond memories with the game which is why the game is very dear to our hearts.

With that said, IV was SO much better than VI. =P

y2kenjination

And please; I love MGS, but the hype an FFVII remake could generate would be HUGE. HUGEEEEEEEE. The PS3 would sell a bajillion units.

y2kenjination

Fwiffo

Xcite79

holycaribou

gokieks

Molotov

y2kenjination

pABSO

boy, are we pissed.

mownkay

yojimbo32

wicko

I played through the game again a couple of years ago and it's still a fairly solid (very classic style) RPG, but the nostalgia goggles definitely overlooked a lot of the shortcomings of this game too.

Oh, and I'm all about a PSN PSP port of the game... I'm gonna need a bigger memory card!

lostalaska

That means chances of a FFVII Remake are way, way, way, way off.

NKato

Trying to rescue cid by giving him good fish, and watching celes fail then try to commit suicide. That's one that was part of mine.

There's other games that are insanely better than this. I wouldn't mind seeing chrono trigger in 3d or with the newest next gen graphics. I would give an organ to have that.

Those who grew up only playing VII there's other final fantasies out there that are 100Xs better than this. Why not broaden your horizons and you'll see what I mean

RanChan03

Besides, they're screwed. People hold this game up on such a pedestal, despite its flaws, that they're creating impossible expectations for it. They'll love the graphics, no doubt, but most will likely feel some disappointment at the battle system. If they don't change it at all, it's glaring unbalanced gameplay will stand out. If they tweak it, they'll say the original was better. It's a no-win situation.

I think other games remade would be better. FF6 for example, even if it's in HD 2D.

Alidar

mythus

September

M

Charge $100 a game, I'd still pay for it.

Dir_en_grey

We would have to have better-fleshed out characters with sharper dialogue (which would involve an entire re-write in this case), a reimagined battle system (removing the random battles would just be the beginning), an actual ending and ... well, there are many things.

Let's just say that RPG design has greatly improved since FFVII. The Final Fantasies have improved drastically, and not just in the graphics department. FFIX and FFX showed us that Square are capable of good dialogue and fleshed out characters, not to mention balanced, exciting gameplay. FFXII has improved the series so much in terms of gameplay that there may be no going back.

I share everyone's childhood memories of Cloud, Tifa and Aerith, but going back to play an old game may just remind us of how far we have come since then. A good remake may involve much more than a mere graphical update.

PS: I'm coming to all your homes to rip out your Caps-Lock keys.

mcderek3000

jpneiswi

I want to be so excited about this news... Yet there is absolutely nothing here concrete enough to be excited about. Once they officially announce it I'll be plenty excited though.

art_zombie

In almost any other medium, we cringe at remakes. People don't want REM to re-record Murmur with better audio equipment. People hated that shot for shot remake of Psycho.

Why do we want this game remade?

Granted, since in come cases the lower resolution graphics of older games hampered the gameplay, so some updates are going to be welcomed. (especially games hampered by draw distance and fog)

But FFVII is a turn based RPG. The combat consisted static three on three, not something that updated graphics are going to improve.

The PS1 graphics were/are fine.

That's why so many people have such fond memories of it.

Ess

mythus

point09micron

Gamers stop buying remakes and rehashes from any developer.

iamspoo

MabelRaglestein

But I'd love to see FFVII remade also!

WrenixPhight

2). Can't say anything about that

3)Spitting this game out for the PS3, really wouldn't make that much of a difference in the console war, nor would it make it the leader. There are much better games than this that are going to be released for the PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4 for example. Final Fantasy VII won't have as much hype as MGS4 is creating right now.

RanChan03

P.S. I like Final Fantasy VIII better than VII.
THERE I SAID.

BOO YA!

ashstampede

madbassman39

1) It's one of the most important games ever. It changed the landscape of RPGs forever. It single-handedly created the huge demand for JRPGs outside of Japan.

2) The graphics don't stand the test of time. It was one of the earliest 3D RPG on a console. It is very difficult to go back and play it now. Every game before it had cute 2D sprites that look fine to this day, but low-poly characters don't work.

3) This would be in the best interest of both Sony and Square-Enix. A FFVII remake could make the PS3 a serious competitor in the console war, possibly the leader.

arepeegee

sascha23

And if they started from crisis core and played through the end of dirge of cerberus(re-done of course), it could be epic.

VixDiesel

i love it how this gen's gamers can call a game overrated when they have no idea how big this game was back then. go back and play your halo 3.

Xerious

considering SE specifically said there were ZERO chances of it (and any other FF game, besides XI) ever coming to the xbox, keep on hoping.

but hey... i was thinking, instead of 4 cds, they'd probably have to use 4 dvds, considering the size of the game! yay for last gen media!!

Xerious

Shoot2thrill

thesycophant

It would be THE selling point of a lot of PS3's.

sadisticfreak432

JustJake

I'd like to add my vote for a remake. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!

goddessakasha

Jopan

StopTheOncoming

RanChan03

7 seriously was not that good. You guys just like it for nostalgia and whatnot.

Justice7541

excel_excel

I want to see the opera scene again, that made me squeal so hard. I think that was one of the more defining moments of the game? And and MAGITEK!!!

RanChan03

@RanChan03: I loved Final Fantasy VI, I can't wait for the remake just to see the Coin scene again *sniff* ohh! and of course Magitek Armour!
@ManjiKengo: Kefka was class, that digital laugh stil sends a chill down my spine!

excel_excel

That's all sephiroth has going for him. At least with kefka, he ACTUALLY destroyed the world. All sephiroth did was destroy part of midgar, and threaten to destroy the world

RanChan03

Vidril

djricekcn

And this is the simple desire for a remake. I love the game, love the story, love the length and depth, but the graphics after playing other hi-def games is just a distraction and an eyesore. After seeing Cloud in Advent Children, he looks ridiculous as a lego character in PSX FFVII. It sort of ruins my immersion in the game now that I've wanted to return and replay it.

DashTheHand

Let's just remake ff6 so the kids of now can see why us old fogies love ff6 so much.

ManjiKengo

Zanch

Bleentastic sees bandwagon and jumps

sbrumm1983

HepCat

Vagrant. Story. Two.

That is all.

Nimrandir

While they're at it, they should do FFVIII as well - it has almost the opposite problems from VII. I love that game to bits, for the first two discs anyway, but then the story falls off cliff.

Sarre

But I don't pretend it was brilliance in a can, or ignore all the problems with the game...A game is what it is, there's no reason to romanticize it.

Balius

If you ask Older fans, hands down they will say that Final Fantasy VI (Aka III in the US) is the best one ever made. It had a more in depth story line, and kefka is a LOT more badass than sephiroth.

RanChan03

Quite frankly, I was underwhelmed by it as well, but most likely because I only played it AFTER being subjected to the massive hype.

Guizzy

FF7 is a classic and if a remake is anything short of the original, it will just tarnish the other. And since FF7 came first and we have all kinds of nostalgia, that's definitely going to happen.

dzaussome

Woodwater

ChiChi_BBQ

TouchMyBox

Starcraft2008

And it would be awesome if they did a remake of secret of mana.

2 games that are 100x better than Final fantasy VII. Dear good just let it die now. No more saturating the market with more VII crap for the fanboys to mess themselves over

RanChan03

hikaizer

Final Fantasy VII?
or Chrono Trigger?

The latter is my favorite game of all time, but the first one was so influential on gaming!

Both have the memorable moment, but I'm pretty sure *spoiler alert if you've been under a rock for over 10 years* Sephiroth falling from the sky and ramming a sword through Aerith is one of the most heart tugging scenes of all time.

I've been waiting for this forever now, just give it to us pelase!

Sure I put my 99+ hours into the game the first time to get all the master materia, but I'd gladly do it again!

Mikey

As for whether they should or not, well, yes. Even if they changed nothing else at all they could update the graphics and in all honesty I'd buy it, because I'm a rube like that. But this would be an oppurtunity to really fix up the weak points and improve it greatly. Refine the materia system, up the difficulty (I want EVERY boss to be as hard as Carry Armor and Demon's Gate!), and generally tweak and add things.

You know what I'd love, more than anything else? If you could tell the Highwind's pilot where to go and then you could wander around the airship doing other stuff until it arrived. But when you looked out the window you would see the world actually passing beneath you on the way. On which note, bigger world map?

Mister Adequate

King of Kings

WOW katamari damacy was so new and refreshing and cool! please give us 5 sequels with the exact same content!

nikolaj

1. The team takes all the advice from the fans and tailors the game to those specifications.

2. The game design process and marketing will revolve heavily around fan-service to the point where hopes and expectations reach a boiling point.

3. The game may face a delay or two to make sure everything is just right for the fans.

4. The game is released and sells at an brisk pace.

5. The fans begin to trickle onto the message boards and stand upon their soapboxes and start declaring how Square Enix ruined their nostalgia with that lacks heart and soul. Gamers will be upset because the experience feels sterile and far too familiar with only a coat of polish here and there.

6. All the praise prior to launch turns into disappointment that festers for months, if not years, to come. People think that maybe a remake wasn't a good idea after all.

If that sounds familiar, it's exactly what happened with Twilight Princess. Deny it all you want, but Twilight Princess was made for the fans who wanted a grittier, more expansive Ocarina of Time. That's what people got, then they complained that it's not what they wanted.

In fact, when was the last time a remake or a spiritual re-imagining was accepted and praised far more than the original in the world of gaming? Gamers think they know what they want, but should developers be kind enough to do just that then they are faced with criticism for failure to expand into fresh, unexplored territory.

megaStryke

They pandered to the players with the lowest ability, so the game had zero challenge for anyone who grasped the concept of linking materia. Consequently, the random encounters, rather than a gameplay mechanic, become incessant and unnecessary padding for length.

Balius

Advent Children is the best source for modern reference materials, unimportant characters without modern reference can be drawn by someone else with a commanding knowledge of Nomura's vision--frankly speaking, I wouldn't care if something new was thrown into the fray.

The music and even game mechanics can remain the same and/or a combination of of new final fantasy's with good combat systems: Final Fantasy X or XII.

The story is finished. I don't think a rewrite is necessary, but if Square felt the need to add more, I wouldn't be against it, but adding changes here and there could lead to continuity issues.

The music, too, is finished. I wouldn't mind having newer pieces, but are they really needed? Why not use what's available from the past and/or current Final Fantasy VII compilation games with a bit of a twist: remixed music or different/more instruments for variety.

Maybe the world map should have some changes--now that I think about it, it was pretty stupid how you need either green, blue, gold, black chocobos to get special Materia when you consider that you have the High Wind which is a vehicle capable of hovering... Side quests could use some serious tweaking, but aside from that, I think Square should leave the game alone.

Everyone responsible for the original game NEED NOT return, Square--the hard parts are all finished.

Assemble a new team; give them strict guidelines, and get to work. NOW!

American_N_Japan

vinchbr

Shiryu

I completely agree with the 97-2000ish Square. Not only were games like Brave Fencer Musashi, Vagrant Story, Xenogears etc. unique but they were damn freaking good, I sort of miss the old Square.

Zero_

Llost

MugenNoKaze

Personally, i'd love a remake with high def graphics.

Tiberian

The materia system was meant to be the way it was, and it did an incredible job at that.

RealmRPGer

It's not as simple as just redoing the graphics and gameplay. They have to also now add new elements to link in with the whole Genesis thing. They'll figure something out. It's fiction so they can do any method they want and say "It just is". A bit like Capcom and Street Fighter.

Ryu Kazama

Baramos

@Achenar: Funny thing is, the PC version had corrected allot of the grammatical errors and awkward dialog that had plagued the PSX version, but even with that, Final Fantasy VII is a real take it or leave it type of game. I like it, but when you compare it to allot of the narrative currently out there - including some works that even predates FFVII - you can tell there is much to be desired. In that regard, I can understand why some people would stay away from it.

If a remake would be able to attract that crowd, whose initial experience hindered enjoying an otherwise capable game, I guess It wouldn't be too absurd of a suggestion at the least.

@FancifulUnicorn: Yeah, I enjoy the game (hell, just played it a few days ago due to wrapping up Crisis Core), but the cast is starting to lose their allure due to the constant exposure by Square-Enix. The best way to keep interest is by letting the game age gracefully on it's own, without it being the proverbial meat on a stick that Square-Enix likes to swing around because rabid fans will eat it up while dropping buckets of cash as they're being enticed. This is exactly why people are so in awe of Final Fantasy IV for the DS.

We need another Square-Explosion of original titles like we did back in the 90's. In 97-2000 alone, we were graced with titles like Einhänder, Xenogears, Bushido Blade 1&2, Brave Fencer Musashi, Parasite Eve, Tobal, Vagrant Story, and The Bouncer. Nowadays, It's not nearly as diverse. Ever since Spirits Within, Square-Enix is scarred to death of taking chances on original titles without the aid of their main hits.

Let the classics stay classics, while making new classics.

KeroseneClimax

So would I, since I no longer have my original copy, and they're kinda hard to find these days.

@evslin: ... stay in line with what's been produced in Crisis Core and Advent Children.

Agreed. That approach, coupled with the direction the taken in the tech demo, would be pure win.

m1lkb0ne

-sigh times two- {-_-}

zanzibarlegend

twesterms 2nd

CheckersMcGavern

With FFVII, you already have good characters, good writing, good background, and a good story, so I suppose it's easy enough to freshen it up and resell it.

FFVIII would take longer though though, cause they'd have to add good.

cordsie

el_rezzo

evslin

Vistrix

Schoolimangooli

shavers

jayntampa

Balius

13xforever

cordsie

Saint Anima

I'd suspect that in the remake, plot point will be changed/added to make more sense with Crisis Core. Genesis has to be mentioned somehow, even if it's during one cutscene.

I would hope that they get Uematsu on the soundtrack side, but the dude from Crisis Core did a great job remixing the old tunes...so it will be okay either way.

If they really want to impress me? I want a World Map...just like the one in the original. Not that click on an area shit they started in X and XII once you get an airship.

Saint Anima

Machete_Bear

Gagaman

I enjoyed that card game. Better that IX's which I'll never completely understand.

Sparx

What, would you prefer they remake FFX?

"HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA"

Actually I wouldn't mind if they re-voiceover X, then it might be playable.

Xiatter

@King of Kings: Actually, Squall was based on Gackt from Malice Mizer. So was Tidus for that matter.

Rebochan

photoboy

FancifulUnicorn

King of Kings

They probably wanted to do 13 first to get used to PS3 development, so that they do a better job on 14(VII 2) :P

Cin

No, I'm pretty sure that honor goes to XII

Sparx

FeendRendor

like watching your shows as a kid and relizing it wasn't so great.

Dakobah

So yeah, despite not being a fan at the moment I'd love to see a remake, so I can give it a try again. :)

Achenar

Bicro

Metropolis

vinchbr

Sparx

NaryaMithrandir

vinchbr

KeroseneClimax

ttocs

CivilD

pandafresh

That being said, I can't wait for its remake. No matter how it turns out, I'll buy it, front row, big sword in hand and spiked-hair wig on head.

GrandAeon

Mlata

Fulgurator

Kazzahdrane

I don't even care if it looks exactly the same. Whack a direct (working, of course) port on the PSP and you'd see PSP sales rocket. If I didn't already have a PSP I wouldn't hesitate to buy one just for FVII. Hell, FFVII is the only reason I bought the PS1!

Clavain

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

Sailorcancer

Kazzahdrane

A remake on the PS3, with those graphics from the tech demo a couple years back would be amazing, but I see it more realistically being ported...to the DS!

I think the recent 3D FF games on the DS are a testbed for something like this. DQ9 is coming soon, but the style is different. FF7 could make the transition.

jpxdude

Kazzahdrane

H8ff0000

Maybe the fans will finally realize that FF VII isn't that big a deal compared to the rest of the series, but who am I kidding?

Nirual

黒天使

黒天使

As a side note, that picture reminds me why I love the European Final Fantasy box arts so much. Our's looks like this.
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Thankfully they've managed to keep up the tradition of just showing the logo right up to FFXII.

image: [img144.imageshack.us]

@SoamX: Whereas I don't get why anyone could seriously like FFVIII that much. Just really didn't click with me, and the fact that at least in Europe (dunno about NTSC) the discs were very dodgy and wiped memory cards. Everyone I knew who bought the game on release had to restart at least once because their save was corrupted. Really pissed me off with the whole game, which is a shame.

Kazzahdrane

Therin

黒天使

TheGamesta

SoamX

- Newer, shinier graphics
- More cutscenes
- Maybe some new secret hidden summons
- More secret bosses (new Weapons?)
- Orchestra music (bye-bye MIDI)
- A NewGame+ type feature where you can play again, except HARDER

That's my wishlist and I'm stickin' to it.

ruslander

Of course, I also can't understand remaking any game people already consider high quality. Are better graphics really all that important?

Balius

TheSpiller

Salen

Garo

vig0r

Dizzle

Ugly Toy

Blue_Six

Good to see that Kitase has at least a little concern regarding the quality of a potential remake. Christmas 2014, c'mon baby!

Big World

Balance_In_Life (PSN)

fresky

kipperminge

StevenRafael

Himiko

sariah