cheeses

I like the old ones in few cases better:
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neojam

This is a waste of good kotaku space.

NirvashStarwind

silentbob343

kamisama

threeve

EnigmaNemesis

GoodbyeGalaxy

jamesb2147

Some stuff may be too clear for too far, but Kojima never wanted it to be "realistic." I think making it highly detailed but perfectly clear would be more fitting to Metal gear, perhaps... After a bit more thought, I mean...

Only thing I really don't like is the new Raiden... I liked his robot eyes before. They were scurry.

bobtheduck

slikz21

M

lunarworks

epherlite

cactaur

CheckersMcGavern

Now otacon looks...not so good, raiden looks even worse(he looked badass and superhuman before--now he just looks like an average joe with a big nose in a suit)and the environments look gritty and rough around the edges as opposed to being smooth a cinematic. I guess I can't complain though.

fenderfuel08

The new ones just look like every other video game cut scene.

goddessakasha

Ryumeka

Dude won't be happy until he's finally got kurt russel and richard crenna playing in his mgs movie.

ManjiKengo

I agree 100% The choices they made were piss poor. The cell processor isn't THAT powerful when you consider the innovations cpus have been going through the last year or two.

@ara: It'll be the next box, and playstation that the uncanny valley isn't so uncanny anymore.

ManjiKengo

ara

ara

So when they reduce the bloom, sharpen up the textures and add more detail (see giant brown helicopter picture) a lot more people than I expected are say "wtf they dumbed down the graphics! The old ones look better!"

Most of those old shots have so much damned bloom that the world looks drunk. That or I am drunk looking at those screens... could be either or because this is friday.

I just fear for my console gaming life that because of this devs are going to start going, "see they love bloom after all". I friggin though I needed glasses once I started playing ps3/360 cause I sure as hell dont have massive bloom on my pc (then again pc games usually let you tweak the amount of bloom)...

2 things, I think the old assets for Otacon and Raiden were better though, Raiden had more of a creepy undead look and Otacon just looks too old now.

I dont understand the uncanny valley, am I the only person that feels good walking alone in said valley?

Derigor

I never played through MGS3 so I haven't completely gotten the story down yet.

CheckersMcGavern

You mean EVA?

YUYU

The new one clearly needs more power because now the textures are sharper and easier to spot than in the older version. So what is this BS about PS3 lacking power to render Kojima's vision?

ksins5

Angryrider

CheckersMcGavern

I'm astonished by the people who actually like the ridiculously overdone bloom actually looks better.

Tale

@Aurvant: i agree. if kojima would have bloomed the shit out of mgs4, then reviewrs would be crapping all over the game, saying that it came close to imitating realism, but falls short due to bloom overexposure. funny comic strip dude:D

kojima is showing his perfectionist side in full swing. i hope everyone is ready.

zanzibarlegend

Just look at the skin. I wish they'd release HD screens (which these are not. They're taken from the low-res trailer)

Like, look at Naomi's hands. They looked like Barbie hands before. I like Raidens new look better, he has more expression, and looks less like Michael Jckson with that nose. It was too tiny before.

I do like Otacons less-buldgy eyes more though. ^_^;;

YUYU

What? You didn't like it when Halo 3 gave you a suntan?

Anyways, the trailer does look cleaned up, and Raiden's eyes from the old trailer are looking through my soul or something. *shiver*

Salen

As for the whole "Kojima tapped out the PS3" thing....didn't he sorta claim the same things when he made MGS2 for the PS2? Saying that it couldn't look any better but then lo and behold be blew it out of the water with Snake eater.

Sorry, but 1.5 years in to a consoles lifetime and they are maxing it out? Sorry, don't believe it.

As for the new screens? I'm glad that Kojima changed them. Perhaps, just maybe, he made an actual artistic decision not to BLOOM YOUR FACE OFF.

Also, didn't someone make a comic on this once? [www.vgcats.com]

Aurvant

I think that's stretching it(well the tapped part of what he was saying)I think it's a popular thing to say though and your going to see some "other" companies do complex games that don't tap the PS3.
I think his vision is too much for what is capable on any platform,not that he ran the PS3 dry.

enewtabie

Nate00

-MoarPlz-

(SCNR)

JumpmanSenior

Dizzle

MADNESS!

zonetrooper5

Kamizzle

From the looks of it the new shots are the ones requiring more RAM as textures are on a completely different level of detail. Most likely the previous videos were heavily retouched at composition, with an actual person doing the blurs, levels adjusting and whatnot. That kind of a quality is hard, if not impossible to match in realtime graphics as there is no professional human eye evaluating the picture, algorithms can go only so far. For example in every game that uses "HDRI", you'll run into situations where parts of the picture are ridiculously overbright, mostly all of the time, it just doesn't look good because the algorithm can't evaluate the result same as person does.

ara

Brian Ashcraft

TheIrishNinja

June 11/12th Midnight Launch, I'm waiting!

Candlejack

Tweaks should be a part of any game's development cycle. If they aren't, someone thinks they're always right and that's usually not a good thing.

Sentientv2

Damn, I'm so psyched...it's getting disgusting.

Bring it on already. :)

sascha23

shikaningen

I don't like many of the changes they've made to the characters' faces and I don't care for the fact that the shimmering floating leaves were removed - those were just cool - but I am almost certain that these changes weren't made due to technical limitations but rather due to changing artistic direction.

shikaningen

ali_g_84uk

mordennight

Brian Ashcraft

I think blurry was fine.

Channing

benjirun

Garo

drunkenbeggar

digitalmorphine

/anti-PS3 comment

Roflcopter_Down: Wants you to follow HIM!

Kojima has stated that they started planning the game before getting PS3 tech specs, and it's likely that at the time earlier trailers were created, they hadn't factored in the limitations of current-gen hardware. I seem to recall the same thing occuring with the original MGS for the PS1.

Suzaku

uzivatel

Looks fine to me either way.

Krytha

That's the biggest change, though. Less bloom, less washed out, a bit more vibrant. I'm not sure if I know which I like better, but the characters and models certainly look better in the newest versions.

Of course, they've changed up the models and such so much, I'm sure they're still tweaking things.

Suzaku

Also preference aside I don't think Konami had to "dumb" it down as @Highlander Wolf: suggests. Look at the helicopter picture. Before it lacked any of the detail you see in the new pictures and all of its parts were pertty much hidden in its own shadow.

doing

The reality is likely that the early trailers were not rendered in a real game engine or were rendered in a real engine at 1 FPS (or some other non-playable framerate) and then pulled together in a video editor.

If they overshot on model and texture detail early, once it came time to actually ship the game at a playable framerate they had to cut back to what you see today.

Guile0

I'm sure they will be tweaking this game till the last minute. And they'll be plenty of filters to be had as well , probably.

Netnavi

Chef

The only loss to me is that some of the characters are a little too "warts and all" - Otacon and Raiden.

On the plus side, it prevents the annoying 'bloom-porn' that a lot of games today indulge in.

mcderek3000

jfx316

bangbangblah

Sure, I miss the cool stuff the old movies did with focus and blurring. Everything in the new movie and screenshots are more distinct, looks more like computer graphics and less like cinema.

BUT! I'm still blown away by the smoke effects. The way te dirt kets kicked up by bullets hitting the ground is very cool. That new video, watching the snowstorm in it was breathtaking. And the sound is the best I've ever heard in a video game. It even sounds like you can hear Snake breathing sometimes.

So, win some, lose some. I'm sure I'll love whatever the final result is.

Highlander Wolf

jerimas

that is a mid-flight refueling probe.

abqhalsey

ChunkOFunk

Black-Dog-Howls

ceokhan

Captain Impulse

I think this is what Kojima was talking about a couple of weeks ago in that one interview that quoted him as being "disappointed" in MGS4 (not true). He did say in that interview that the Cell Processor was completely tapped, and that they had to downgrade from the original movies they made.

And here's the part where I extend both middle fingers to Sony for their effed-up policy on gimping the PS3. WTF, man? You design a revolutionary new processor for it. Your first commercial use of the Cell Processor was the PS3. 8 cores in that baby. But you locked down one of the cores for the PS3 OS (which STILL doesn't bring up the XMB during gameplay), and permanently disable one of the others for some bullshit reason. Then you give the developers the remaining six cores, and further gimp the box with a mere 256 MB of system RAM and 256 MB of RAM for graphics... and expect them to not feel slightly cheated.

The original demo was probably made on a PS3 Devkit. The devkit's early models didn't even have Cell processors - they had MASSIVE CPUs which emulated Cell Processors, and could easily out-perform the chips that PS3s have. Without a real PS3 to test their stuff on, it's entirely possible that team Kojima just set the bar too high.

Anyway, I don't mean to get too negative, the current version looks great, especially the gameplay - but those early trailers were friggin' beautiful, and I will miss them. I look forward to one day playing gamese of that caliber on the PS4... or the Xbox 720... or the Dreamcast II.

Highlander Wolf

Nihon no Purin

jerimas

Hoping that was sarcasm because the storage format has nothing to do with how many filters you can use.

The new ones look technically better but I liked the style of the old clips. The hazy filter gave a dreamy, surreal atmosphere to the (mostly) realistic style.

JayD16

Captain Impulse

Yuki

HateFate

Yuki

However, most everything else seems to be at least somewhat improved.

buzz_kirkwood

TheCleaningGuy

DigitalHero

Couldn't they have fixed Raiden instead of just making Meryl's hair shorter and making the mustache mustachier? Isn't he lame enough? Every time I see him like this I think he is getting his teeth fixed.
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Erwin

maxax

Dave Silva

TheCleaningGuy

ocalot

Luke Plunkett

Blah8

deathsyth8888

dirkxxdiggler

Fadakar

more detail on the mullet too !

Captain Fury

Fadakar