AND there lies the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freespeech

For the record, my original thoughts were the following...

I can understand why Mr. Damon puts action figures and video games in a different category than his films, they are both more likely to end up in the hands of youngsters. That doesn't mean that they should, it just means it is more likely.

That said, at the time I was thinking about youngsters seeing his films at the movie theatre. Once that film comes out on DVD it is as equally likely to end up in the hands of a youngster as the video game is, so my original argument is thereby mooted.

rhacer

coolkiwilivin

Wait. Don't answer that. You'll only embarrass yourselves. Anyway, even if you just MUST HAVE OR YOU'LL DIE a Bourne game, a good voice actor can easily replace Damon. So WTF's the problem?

danebramage

^^ to half the commenters above, WTF? Check the comments on the previous page.

dnzperson

Purple Dave

goddessakasha

kw4k

If you share your mommy's views, you suck more than Ben Affleck.

Mal-Content

But that aside, watching something and doing it are two different things. Witnessing a murder doesn't get you charged with it and while you might have a tough time getting over it, the likelyhood is you won't fel some overbearing guilt for witnessing it.

MasterDex

Mr.SithNinja

sir_carrot

So...Matt Damon likes violent porn, and his mom prefers her porn violence free?? Sounds like she is OK with porn as long as there is no violence. I would have to agree with that. I am not an S&M guy but if that is what Matt is into then good for him.....

That was to illustrate how easily things can be taken out of context. I would rather hear something from Mr. Damon himself. There could be a million different reasons why he backed out of the game, and I would bet it was because not enough millions were offered to him. The violence thing could easily be a PR smokescreen. Then again all of this (and every post before this) is all just speculation anyway.

Mr.SithNinja

AsWater

aveneyer

bunch.of.wackos

todde7

Hey everyone! It's 1960 again! Violent comic books, movies with the d-word, and Elvis' hips are works of the devil!

Seriously...get with the fucking times, Matt Damon...

agenttrav

+ Watch video

exeprime

Koztah

MSUSteve

Balius

r3m1x

Its simple psychology, when you say the word "game" the first thing most people would think is kids and toys. If this industry wants to move on to adult entertainment level. The naming convention and basic marketing HAS TO CHANGE.

I don't see anybody complaining about pornography or the various hardcore scenes they do as too unrealistic for children.

Banedon38

eakolb

I would also like to comment on the quality of political discourse among gamers. I am sure that all our detractors would change their ways had they read our posts with a single realisation of "my God, I am indeed a dumbass", assume us to be their wiser half and never criticise games again. That is what persuasive arguments are made of.

mcderek3000

mcderek3000

But yeah, double standards are so easy when you're a Hollywood Elite Better Than You Ass(TM)

battra92

"No, Matt hates smoking and drinking...and loose women! Floosies!"

Islandkiwi

deathtastic

KM91

What I suspect the case to be is that they probably came up with that excuse because it sounded plausible, to avoid admitting they weren't willing to pay Damon what he was asking for as compensation for his likeness.

The quote from the mother may be legit, but really has no relation to Matt himself, or his apparent 'decision' as presented. It's there to mislead, and add credence to their 'claim'.

/adjusts tin foil hat

space trickfred

But doesn't think Anime = Children...

Yes, i'm talking to the hentai society and the gory stuff like Shigurui/Elfen Lied

Ultrasinc

He kinda looks like a retard now tho...
Maybe someone need to rate his movie as crap? I dont get why everyone seem to believe games are for kids, like GTA IV, and the other GTA games is made for an adult consumer, I guess thats why the age rating is there. So how do people not understand that its not ment for kids. Its made for the normal gamer, above the age of 18? I dident think it was so hard to understand what age rating was for, but I guess it is...

Kleppe

Did you not read the comments on the previous page?

If not, please do. Then come back when you have something decent to say.

dnzperson

joelface

Violence in games and movies does not bother me in the slightest but who does he think he is to think violence in movies is ok but not in games... oh is it because the violence in movies makes him a multi-millionaire... no that couldn't be it.

He's a moron.. because of his hypocrisy I am hereby making a ruling as gods 2nd in command saying Matt damon is a worthless piece of trash and now officially has less money than me.

Jcnet

Nirual

But i strongly agree with your point that parents don really know what to expect with video games. It's not like every parent is going to be able to spend the 20+ hours it takes to beat the game and screen it for their children, whereas a movie only takes and an hour or 2 to preview. That along with word of mouth from other parents and the many popular movie reviews and commercials are what make it so easy to screen violence in the movies.

BeyondAShadow

fadecy

Also, "for the children" = fascist doublespeak. The moment you hear that phrase, hold onto your rights as if your life depended on it!

ManekiNeko

DarkStreet

piffboy

I think the ratings board should just go with the ratings we have for movies. It took us forever for people to actually understand that crap (remember those posters with granny and the family dog?)
it seems dumb to have a system that parents would have to relearn. Why are parent's so dumb? I'm old enough to be a parent (thank God I'm not yet) and can easily tell what's right and wrong for kids. All you have to do is read about the thing your kid is interested in and actually pay attention to the world they live in instead of being so self absorbed that you let the tv raise them.

Though this has been going on for decades (lazy parents) it would seem better IMO to have the ratings be in line with movie ratings.

Or is there an agenda behind that? The games industry doesn't want to be tied to the movie industry. maybe too many restrictions? I recall there being a documentary about the ESRB.

Netnavi

Really? Then I must've had sex with 50 women last night because I masturbated furiously. Watching porn is the same as actually having sex right?

Netnavi

It was only the last few days when there was an article about our knee-jerk reactions to news like this and how it reflects negatively on the community as a whole even if it's just the few that get pissed off for no real reason.

Sure, there's times when stories like this should be reported as in the case of RE5 or Mass Effect since they deal with issues that gaming as an industry is struggling to overcome but using such misleading titles is just asking for knee-jerk reactions from idiots who don't know how to read anything smaller than the title. It should have read Matt Damon's Mom hates Violent Video Games, I garuntee you half the people that got pissed at Matt Damon would just say 'lol, who cares'.

MasterDex

Their points about children will *NEVER* hurt you directly (though lower sales because less idiot parents buying the games for their underage kids could indirectly hurt you). If you are 18+, this kind of comment is not a concern to you unless you're some kind of prebuscent adulthood advocate or something.

Personally I'm an advocate of adulthood at 21, as we humans progress it seems to take far longer for us to reach emotional and mental maturity, 21 isn't the best bar, but it's better than 18. More consistent too. That whole... you can fight in a war but you can't handle alcohol thing...

cybereal

dnzperson

Here's a message to Matt's mom: Kids also watched your son's movie, and guess what? It didn't make them coldblooded killers.
Do yourself and your son a favor: Ignore the idiocy of recent media statements regarding video games.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

That's my point, we should wait and see rather than jumping to conclusions which are quite possibly wrong.

It's a fairly safe bet (I'd take the odds, anyway) that there won't be people/heads exploding or murdered children.

No one here knows for sure either way.

We definitely shouldn't be seeing people attacking Damon's stance and beliefs

But that's what is happening (just read Lainface's comment below yours), and the way Kotaku has reported it has not helped at all.

Title:
Hollywood: Matt Damon OK With Movie Violence, Not OK With Game Violence

I am pleased that a lot of the comment here are stating the obvious though:

Why is this quote from Matt Damon's mother getting so much feedback? She may very well be putting words in his mouth.

I wish everyone had as much sense.

dnzperson

BPMο

It's bad enough that bandwagon-jumping politicians look for any excuse to spew ignorant reactionary vitriol on a mostly harmless activity. Do we as gamers (and you as game journalists) need to stoop to the same level?

Calling someone a hypocrite is pretty heavy, because it's so rare to find an example of a human being who doesn't fit that description. So you've got to back it up with some evidence, some analysis... something other than sheep-like name-calling of people who appear to disagree with you.

Who knows, maybe it will turn out that Matt Damon really does have strange hypocritical stances on gaming. Maybe Ashcraft had access to such info. But all we get from reading the post is another knee-jerk reaction in this war of knee-jerking. When will the tragedy end?

cowbean

I mean, he played friggin' Loki in Dogma. The, apparently, fomer Angel of Death.

This mentality just makes him sound like an old geezer.

Xiatter

Watch out kiddies! The video game goblin is coming for your innocence!

Lainface

I think its a fair bet to take things from context as being reasonably accurate. It's been shown through videos and developer commentary that they're trying to recreate the feel of the movie with the game. It's a fairly safe bet (I'd take the odds, anyway) that there won't be people/heads exploding or murdered children.

I think the part that's stumping the people getting really riled up is that is obvious the game is an homage to the movies. If that's the case, why wouldn't Damon sign on? If he had issue with the content, you'd think he'd be able to exert at least some influence to change things to a level he deemed acceptable. Sure, he has no real sway over the developers, but I'm sure they'd carefully listen to his input. Instead, what it "looks like" is a blind aversion to support the game based on content. Is that the case? Maybe.

We definitely shouldn't be seeing people attacking Damon's stance and beliefs, but there's nothing wrong with questioning them.

Captain Impulse

As an aside, he's also just some dude who lives in California.

Swift_

Samos42

It's a double standard shared by most of the US. Movies are for the age group stated on the rating, games are for children regardless of rating. So when a movie comes out that features things like mild sexual content, nudity, violence, and full audio swearing, it's fine. If a game implies that sex is happening offscreen, the digital characters have risque outfits on but never get nude, there is similar violence, or swearing in text, it's an assault on children.

Matt Damon is just echoing the common view in the USA. It's all over the media.

Balius

Lol, you've got that right ;-)

Just to clarify my stance - I didn't think it was right for everyone to jump to conclusions and the vilify him when, as you said, only the people who were there know what he really thinks (e.g. why he took issue with the game's level of violence).

We hate for other's to blindly make statements about gamers, yet judging from some of the comments here, it's okay for us gamers to do it - just not others.

And with reguards to some of the comments aimed directly at Kotaku (not commenters), I can see why LittleBigPlaneteer and DARTH_TIGRIS feel the way they do - just check the title of the article.

dnzperson

Again, though, I'd like to remind everyone here that rationality is appreciated. Passionate rage helps nobody.

Trawgdoor!

Captain Impulse

And last time I checked, the resolution of these movies might be a little better than this Bourne game. gfx might be a little better too, just a little better.

reduxreaction

daklog

Everyone is free to have their own opinions; the only thing that pisses me off is when other people impress their opinions upon me. That doesn't seem to be what he was doing, so I don't really care. If he went on national television to promote the cause against videogames (like his mother), then I'd have something to bitch about.

shimage

It sure is, but that isn't what this is about.

My main issue, and I'm sure other here feel the same, is that when ever a major news organisation (sych as fox) intentionally reports on video games in a way that is bound to cause controversy - we here at Kotaku get upset and offened.

Yet now commenters are doing the same thing we hate other to do to us, and it's been made even more ironic by the fact that people are calling Mr Damon a hypocrite.

Luckily, there is still hope for Kotaku commenters (looking at LittleBigPlaneteer and DARTH_TIGRIS).

dnzperson

LedRush

Aha, but isn't that rather hypocritical of society in general? ;) Okay, now I'm branching into larger topics, but I think you see what I'm getting at.

It seems like a lot of arguments in his defense are based on his silence. I think it's pretty obvious from the context of what was being inferred by Sadat in the article. I'm sure Damon has a good reason (at least in his own mind) why participating in this game was distasteful to him, but the inflection (from those who would know far more than armchair analysts like us) seems pretty clear.

I'm not saying Damon should be vilified for this, but attacking Kotaku for reporting info from inside sources is pretty out-of-line.

Captain Impulse

boopadoo

And while it could be hypocritical (as this article tries to make out) there could be other reasons for it as well.

He has yet to say a word on the topic.

You forget that violent video games are not as accepted as violent movies, so being tied to one (a violent video game) could impact his reputation far more than being in a violent movie, irrespective of what he actually thinks about violent video game (which we don't even know yet).

dnzperson

There could be a million reasons he pulled out of this particular project. Perhaps the game didn't have enough violence. Perhaps the violence was too much that he thought the game deserved an M rating and knew it was getting a T rating, thus he didn't support the idea of children being exposed to it.

It could be any number of things. That doesn't mean Damon hates GTA does it? Does it mean he hates COD 4? If he doesn't like violence in games then surely he'd hate most games wouldn't he?

Everything at this point is assumptions simply because there is so very little to go on. Yet it's enough for people to vilify Damon based on it. That is not cool

LittleBigPlaneteer

Captain Impulse

I agree with what you say, I don't agree that they're different mediums, just percieved to be different. A parent is much more likely to have heard of The Exorcist over Bioshock, they'd probably let their child play Bioshock thinking "oh it's just a silly computer game", but that's what happens when an entertainment industry is so young. In 20/30 years we'll have as much bother from "anti-so-and-so" groups that the movie industry has now.

I disagree with kids taking in violence from the sidelines more so in games. An older brother could just as easily watch a movie and a kid walks in and views it. I watched a whole load more "adult" movies when I was younger than I did play "adult" games. Thanks to video and DVD it's easy as anything for a kid to watch an inappropriate movie.

JoeyJo

The keyword you're missing is "Apparently". There is very little if any concrete evidence for why he pulled out. Something that is relying on terms like "apparently" can pretty much be chalked up to a rumor.

Unless we can truly find out his true reasoning for pulling out, then I can't say either way that he is being hypocritical. Just not enough to go on

LittleBigPlaneteer

Orionsaint

I think Meelad Sadat's quote makes it pretty clear. If Damon doesn't have problem with violence in games, why would he pull out because of it?

Captain Impulse

MTV videogame blog is one of the best in the business, now i hate MTV the channel just as much as you, but their gaming blog is pretty good, otherwise, Brian and the rest of the Kotaku would not link them all the time

Anyways, thats her opinion, i'm not about to call someone names because they have differing opinions.

meltyman

Damon had a problem with the level of violence in the game, and pulled out.

So, with the knowledge of his movies in mind, the only reason he could take issue with the game is if the violence level was far greater in the game than his movies, right? And from what we've seen in videos, this apparently is not the case.

So, one of two things has occurred here:

1) The game's violence is levels above that which is in his movies, and we just don't know it. Nevermind the projected T-Rating or game play videos we've seen, we're missing out on a crucial bit of information that Damon, who was only at the negotiations step, was privy to. Somehow this seems unlikely, considering he would have probably only been privy to an early build and details such as gore would typically be added later in the development cycle.

2) He has an objection to the violence for another reason. This makes him seemingly hypocritical, since he participated in an activity with the same level of violence and restrictions (his movie making) without reservations.

Captain Impulse

Interactive violence is different from observing it. And I still believe the ESRB ratings need to be enforced better. I don't think there's anything wrong with a mature video game, but in my experience (I'm a 21-year old college student, for the record) movie theaters have been more strict about age than video game retailers.

I think that violent video games are great. I'll be picking up GTA IV right after finals. But there is something to be said about how video games are still sold to people outside of the ratings range a little too frequently, in contrast to movies where children aren't let into R-rated movies as much.

Like I said though, there is also something to be said for Matt Damon being a "role model" in his violent action movies, so it's not all one-sided. Just wanted to throw a little balance into the conversation...

TuxBobble

RickyTV

That's the thing. We only have hearsay evidence for why he pulled out from the game. We do not know for sure why he did not want his likeness in the game. I just don't see how you can say that he's not OK with violence in games based on this hearsay and on the quote from his mother.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I feel that with movies, the rating system is much easier to enforce, and provides strict limits on the intake of violence. Kids will get carded and blocked from buying tickets to rated R movies. And if a parent wants to allow their child to watch violent movies, that is completely in their control.

Now you're going to say that this stuff applies in the same way to video games, and I would agree. The only difference here is the degree to which a young child might take in the violence from the sidelines. For example, an older brother might be playing and his little brother just sits by watching. Or if the kid goes over to his friend's house to play video games and that kid's parents buy him M-rated games. I mean the social nature of video games among children just makes it harder to control than movies, in my opinion.

@MisterSleep: MisterSleep makes a good point too, about putting the violence in direct control of the player, which may to a degree desensitize one to performing acts of violence.

I dunno, there are so many points to be made it's hard to argue either way, but again, this is my stance on the subject.

BeyondAShadow

Whereas children never watch R-rated movies, you know.

Either way you look at his opinion, something is fishy. We all know that more people play games than just kids. So why, exactly, did he pull his likeness from the game?

...because of the children? That attitude is either ignorant of the fact adults play video games (and should control the games that kids play), or it's a double standard.

antialias02

mrbloober

riffleraffle

Personally, I think Damon's a tool but then, I think that of most of Hollywood. Their elitist snobbery and extreme far-left mind-sets annoy me.

Fonic

You're right that he doesn't come out and say that violent movies aren't bad for children. However, the article states that he was not comfortable with the violence in the game. Ok, fair enough. But does that mean he IS comfortable with the violence in his movies?

It seems he doesn't want kids to get their hands on violent material, whether it be games or movies. But why would be object to participating in a video game due to its violence, but not a movie? Either form of media, in the hands of children, would have the same effect. Why wouldn't he simply hold to the same stance: keep mature movies out of kids hands, and keep mature games out of kids hands?

Captain Impulse

neko613

I simply cannot believe how blinded you commenter's are to what Damon's mom said. How can you not comprehend it? Why simply go on Kotaku's title? Ugh, I'm pretty disappointed with most people here now...

LittleBigPlaneteer

Albanian_Killa

ghnvt

Samos42

I'm also saddened by the amount of commenter's who can't see past the misleading title and read the quote for what it actually says.

In no way is matt saying he's okay with one and not the other. The second part is referring to CHILDREN being exposed to such violence in games. Is that really wrong to say? Does he say he's for children being exposed to violence in movies? Absolutely NOT.

I hope people read my statement and then re-read the quote.

LittleBigPlaneteer

"So, where was, Bourne himself, Mr. Damon? He turned down an offer to be involved with "The Bourne Conspiracy," High Moon director of business relations Meelad Sadat told me. Damon was in negotiations to lend his voice and likeness when development was getting off the ground, but he took issue with the game's level of violence and pulled out."

I don't think we need a signed confession from Damon to confirm what is already known by someone who was, you know, actually there and involved. Just sayin'.

Captain Impulse

Who hasn't emulated something from a movie? Everybody's picked up something from popular culture, but I would say that very few pick something violent or inappropriate.

nadimal

w991

I can't follow that basic piece of information logically through to that comment above. What does she think is going to happen? Possibly if they were going to release 'The Bourne Identity Kart,' and then bundle it with the movies, i'd understand. But that's pretty far divorced from reality isn't it?

Lov3

It could easily be like:
Mom: "Those damn videogames and their violence. Grand Theft Auto causes baby rape and AIDS, you know that Matt?"
Matt: "Yes Mom, whatever you say Mom."

Whatever gets her off his back about his movies. ;D

Samos42

Violent movies can be seen on TV late night by any kid whose parent has cable.

Violent video games must be purchased by people 17 or older.

So you could easily argue that the parent can more readily control a kid's access to violent video games then a kid's access to violent movies.

Yet video games are the problem.

Sad. Seems like people in Hollywood can't even think for themselves anymore.

Of course, you can;t expect Matt to criticize the industry where he makes a living, can you?

AZRockslide

Chewbenator

dnzperson

number_77

b1t0

b1t0

@Brian Ashcraft:

C'mon, Bash. Clarify if you're calling his mom a hypocrite (which isn't true because she doesn't like violence in movies or games) or if you're calling HIM one (which isn't true because you have no statement from him), so we can call you out on it. We don't help our position by using Fox News-esque tactics to stir up our gamer contemporaries. This comment page is already full of a bunch of Sara Silverman's ...

DARTH_TIGRIS

Agreed. As usual, angry videogamers are ready to torch someone as soon as they hear something they dislike.

It's rather embarrassing.

Benjamin Linus

Master Saji

*shakes head*

Benjamin Linus

Check the second post!

For all the people calling Mr Damon a hypocrite, think about what you are saying!

As usual, the media (MTV in this case) have put a twist on things to turn it into something it isn't. Why are we still letting them fool us into this sort of thing?

Just take a step back a think about things for a second before hitting submit.

dnzperson

But the thing is, you watch an action movie to see fights, shooting, violence (along with the other just as important parts like plot, direction etc), same way as you choose to play an action game for the exact same reasons, only this time you get to act them out.

They're both a choice to experience violence; sure you get to exact that violence yourself in a video game, but the only difference with a movie is that you don't get to act it out. Games are essentially interactive movies, a game like GTA can be a relatively tame gangster movie or an over-the-top, violent, sexual gore-fest. You still that make that choice in movies by deciding what movie you want to watch.

JoeyJo

Kaizuden

Snake726

Wait a minute. The violence of the film is being passed along through toys, products, and video games? I'd have thought that the violence of the film gets passed along through the damn film itself! I doubt a child's toy for a PG-13 film could be really bad. Also, games rated T or M aren't for kids. The rating refers to a specific age group for a reason, plus the game case lists what kind of content you can expect in the game. Also, what products is she talking about? I don't see any Jason Bourne Amnesia Puffs (with explosion-shaped marshmallows) in the cereal isle, so I don't think that's an issue.

Media made for a mature audience isn't marketed to kids, and there are restrictions on it (ratings, sales restrictions, parental controls, V-Chips, etc). Marketing isn't the problem. Restrictions put in place by laws and ratings can only go so far. Personal responsibility is key here, and that's the job of the parents.

天雷

iamcool388

okenny :)

darktorns

Sorry, had to be done.

I'm almost afraid to admit it, but I'm actually a big Matt Damon fan. Sadly, though, this kind of double standard is a pretty easy stance to take, especially when it comes to video games. I think most people here will agree that the level of violence in the average game is pretty much on par with your average Hollywood action flick. Maybe not in terms of numbers, but certainly how in-your-face or stylized it is. Sure, I suppose I can see why the point could be made -- movies are a culturally established medium that lend themselves more obviously to a more 'artistic', less literal interpretation of violence than games. Video games are quite different in that they put violent acts directly in the control of the player, which, regardless of artistic merit, puts the acts in a totally different context than with the passive nature of cinema.

Which, of course, isn't to say I agree with any of it, really. I think that argument is superficial and ignores the bottom line. Regardless of how it's experienced, passive or active, violence is an extreme subject and not one to be taken for granted. If you enjoy it, you enjoy it, for whatever that means for you and whatever it implies, and that will be the end result regardless of medium.

Consider the argument that violence in video games is overly gratuitous and thrown around lightly and without reason other than to appease the bloodthirsty youth. Couldn't the same be said about any feature film? Gangs of New York was without a doubt one of the bloodiest movies of the past few years (Braveheart?) but the reviews invariably read something to the effect of "despite the violence, Gangs is a powerful and potent tale." Games-as-art is still a hotly debated topic, but I still firmly believe that regardless of whether or not games can be put on the same artistic playing field as cinema, 98% of movies--violence and all--are made for the same reason as games: to entertain the masses. The film industry has only seemed to adopt this "holier than thou" attitude because it's older, more established, and, in all likelihood, threatened by the exponentially increasing popularity of video games.

At any rate, who knows why Damon took issue with the violence in the game. I suppose we'll see when the game comes out, but unless there's some heinous squirrel-fisting zombie immolation, I'd take issue with this "level of violence" thing. I won't go so far as to call him a hypocrite, because damnit, Bourne kicks ass, but it's unfortunate that this kind of knee-jerk ignorant judgment continues to sully the public view of our noble passion.

(sorry, I imagined some patriotic music playing in the background on that last sentence)

MisterSleep

Captain Impulse

NathanX

Alexander-The-Great

DrcAnjel

Not saying that I was under the impression I was in Falujah hunting insurgents, but that I was carried away by the game; similar to the way a movie wraps you up in an enthralling plot.

My point is, even though I'm a hardcore video game addict; I do believe there is a difference between watching a movie filled with violence and making a character do an action that you choose.

Alexander-The-Great

So I guess both Damon and his mother a total fucking hypocrites. That's great.

I've just lost all respect I ever had for that douche bag.

Atheist Jew

jasoncourt

ShaggE

Captain Impulse

Who says a R rated (17+) movie is for adults, but an M rated (again, 17+) game is for kids? My brain is gonna freaking short circuit here.

Kenny

via Team America

jasoncourt

Sigh.

FP Furious_Liver, lacks independence

+ Watch video

Anyway, I wonder if Mother Damon realizes that children watch her sons violent, vulgar and venereal diseased movies.

Trowble (XBL/PSN)

Maaxxx

mva5580

On the other hand, who in Hollywood *isn't* a hypocrite and a douchebag?

elocanth

CatPope

GDW1017

aveneyer

Maybe that movie gets a pass because it had Jack Nicholson in it?

nadimal

MexiNugget

thewafflecult

RogueBoar

Kiden4911

Cucco

Its all about cash.

F8X

Just because it's a video game, doesn't automatically make it a child's toy.

sandwiches

Unfortunately it probably won't be anytime soon

JimElNino

iao_

Thoas