SIXAXIS Brings Nothing to GTA IV (But Frustration And Burning Helicopter Chassis) - Kotaku Comments

SIXAXIS Brings Nothing to GTA IV (But Frustration And Burning Helicopter Chassis)

stephen70 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:08:57 MDT

"Reload Weapon: the SIXAXIS lets you snap the controller back toward you to reload. Very easy to do, but absolutely no benefit."
What sort of benefit do you want a cheat mode with unlimited ammo or something ?
I can never find those stupid thumb buttons , and then you have to move you thumb from the fire button so it's stupid - why not have auto-reload when you are outa ammo though.

The motion steering saves you using those stupid thumbsticks they should make a controller without thumbsticks and keep it simple.

stephen70

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freespeech — Tue, 06 May 2008 14:18:37 MDT

@Kikouken:
so then you did like the controls???!?!?!?

freespeech

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tantoedge — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:15:21 MDT

I want that option removed from my phone.
I want more options in general to configure.
Such as camera per vehicle.
Internal on cars, external on bikes and flying stuff.

tantoedge

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KK — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:17:31 MDT

I think it's very rewarding for R* and/or whoever to have motion controls, as, for once, your doing a semi-realistic movement with the controller to do a certain action. But, you didn't mention anything about car driving? I suppose it is self explanitory (typo?), but you left that part out? Or it's simply not a feature?

I heard alot of negitive sayings about the SIXAXIS, but I'm not sure what to say, as I don't have a PS3.

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DevonTheDude — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:16:52 MDT

Wow, IGN gave the complete opposite review for the Six-axis controls. They said that the helicopter was perfect with motion controls. Both Kotaku and IGN agreed on the reload functionality and boat motion controls being OK. But for the motorcycles, IGN hated Six-axis and Kotaku loved it, weird. Guess it's still personal preference for motion controls, I personally like it in most games (especially NBA 2k8, you emulate a freethrow).

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robotleawesome — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:12:59 MDT

OMG guise I am shocked

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dadeisvenm — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:47:13 MDT

Ok... so I take it the person has never played Warhawk. Chalk this review as "ill-informed".

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hahnchen — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:20:16 MDT

@Kyle81:The "professional" reviews didn't go over each Mario Kart control mechanism either. Doesn't mean its not helpful.

I'm sure that there are some out there considering whether motion controls would be of use.

hahnchen

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Kyle81 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:09:17 MDT

@Brian Crecente: MS slide you guys some money to make a giant article about hating on the six axis controls when they are completely optional?

Kyle81

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Kyle81 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:07:54 MDT

you know this is the first review that has complained about the six axis controls. Many of the professional reviews so far have said they are pretty good.

Also pretty stupid to make such a nasty article about it when its OPTIONAL

Kyle81

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Ungruntled — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:28:32 MDT

Sixaxis is sweet in Heavenly Sword though. I just love piloting a crossbow bolt betwixt the eyes of some poor soul. Love it! Prefer to have rumble instead, but that HS moment was a great one.

Ungruntled

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Pauly454 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:28:11 MDT

I really enjoyed using the sixaxis on that sky diving game... on all other games I just haven't got the time to practice using it.

Pauly454

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Rockwallaby — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:27:44 MDT

they should just give up on the whole sixaxis thing

Rockwallaby

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kavits001 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:00:49 MDT

I'll be turning it off, just give me the the classic PS2 control scheme & I'll be fine.

kavits001

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Brian Crecente — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:29:45 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: I thought the Sixaxis was fine with Lair (that wasn't the game's problem) and Warhawk I had no problem, not so with GTA though, just too wonky. What I dont get is why they didn't include car control, which would have been an awesome fit for the SIXAXIS and would have made shooting and driving a lot easier. (Not that it's that hard.)

Brian Crecente

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kitt2112 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:14:14 MDT

@CitizenInsane27:

you are not alone brother, you took the words right out of my mouth so much so that i joined to to reply to you.

kitt2112

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Brian Crecente — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:53:04 MDT

@OneSwitch.org.uk: I don't think it's anymore complicated than any other shooter, of course that doesn't mean much because they are plenty complicated. The good news here is that 6Axis is totally optional.

Brian Crecente

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eastx — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:08:36 MDT

@OneSwitch.org.uk: I think it would be kind of tough. Also, unfortunately disabled gamers are a minority, just like colorblind gamers, etc. So they usually don't get much time and effort spent on them.

But if you have limited use of a hand or fingers, you should look into having a custom controller built.

eastx

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Wolfers — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:00:48 MDT

You know, if anyone on the development team ever asks "How can we add motion controls?" Do everyone a favor and don't. Last-minute, tacked on motion controls for the PS3 and Wii are always obvious and terrible.

Wolfers

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HELLSRIDER — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:37:32 MDT

HAHAHA I was just talking with a friend about how the sixaxis could make a bad GTA IV experience when I came here.

HELLSRIDER

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KEELr — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:46:37 MDT

Have you ever seen a Sony fanboy go on about how great the sixaxis is?

Its always, the cell, the bluray, the RROD or the $50 for live, but they never ever talk about the awesome sixaxis.

KEELr

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zanzibarlegend — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:31:58 MDT

@Slorg: ts cool with folklore. ill say that much.

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Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman. — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:29:18 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: A lot of people say similar things about Wiiremote controls, and in all honesty, I've never had any problems with them either outside of a select few things that just seem to be design botches. I'm not sure the Lair controls were the whole of the problem either, from what I've heard, that whole target-locking thing WHILE trying to use motion controls was what I heard the majority of gripes about.

It could just be that there is no standard about how motion's supposed to be used. As in, how much movement is too much. What is over exaggerated, what is necessary? I've found that most of the time with motion control issues, it only takes a little tweaking on the player's part to get it right. I won't nag on Sixaxis controls, as I've honestly played a whole None games on the PS3. Chalk that to being poor. Sometimes though, while the controls themselves DO work, I think a lot of games definitely need more ability to tune those motion controls, and see what our movements are doing in terms of direct game translation. Is my movement being registered properly? Do I need to do more/less?

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

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JorgieX — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:33 MDT

@MoeB: Well this is supposed to be the tech that SONY says is realy next gen over the rumble. So it's good to point issues out and let people know what there gonna be in for before they make the plunge. Also IMO the sixaxis only worked well in FLOW and anytime I have the option to turn it if that is the first thing I do. It's a real gimmick as the Wii-mote it the real wiggle waggle controller. lol

JorgieX

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OneSwitch.org.uk — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:00:13 MDT

The controls looks like the biggest pain in the arse all around for a lot of gamers. I can't recall a game I've wanted to play with such a complicated raft of buttons and controls to memorise. This is a complete nightmare for many disabled gamers...

[switchgaming.blogspot.com]

Wish Rockstar would do more to open their game up to those unable to play it. Wouldn't be too tough, surely?

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joelface — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:02:57 MDT

Heres the thing... i LOVE to mess around in GTA.

i would buy GTA if it didn't even have a STORYLINE.

the SIXAXIS controls, even if they SUCK ASS, are going to be SO FUN to mess around with.

in games like motorstorm, each race was fucked if you screwed up a lot at the beginning of each race, so the sixaxis controls seemed to have a huge learning curve.. but if i crash and fall all over the place trying to control a motorbike with sixaxis, or even crash a helicopter.. if im just messing around, BIG FUCKING DEAL.

i'm sure i'll be able to have fun with it for at least a few minutes every once in a while.

and EVEN if im wrong, big deal, i turn it off.

joelface

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superdynamite — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:57:12 MDT

The Rockstar Developers told IGN that the PS3 version runs smooter. Less in-game popping on the PS3 version.

Also, PS3 version runs at native 1080p.

I think I'm gonna go with the PS3 version.

DLC for PS3 will arrive in 2009. That's fine with me. As long as it looks, runs and plays great.

superdynamite

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superdynamite — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:54:01 MDT

at least it's an option. If you don't like it, shut it off. Simple.

superdynamite

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Stormbringer — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:42:31 MDT

@Acute Gamer:

1 word; WARHAWK

It works brilliantly, and proves categorically that SixAxis CAN be better than analoue sticks, when coded correctly.

Stormbringer

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sparced — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:31:30 MDT

Moaning about this only gives Xbots something to distribute and is unnecessary negative press. Sixaxis controls being shit is no different from people using gamecube controllers for Mario Kart Wii.

sparced

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Acute Gamer — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:20:03 MDT

SONY.............just kill the SUXXASSES.
It was, is, and foreverer shall be, a fucking debacle.

Sometimes you just need to swallow your pride, admit your mistake, and just move on. DuallShock FTW!

Imitation is not allways a form of flatterey, sometimes it's just a week attempt at "keeping up with the Joneses".

Acute Gamer

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xenorevlis — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:14:56 MDT

Its too bad they never took my suggestion and used it in an attempt to "balance" your character while completely drunk. That would have been the only time I would have loved tilting my Dualshock 3!

xenorevlis

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ChiChi_BBQ — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:10:05 MDT

Yeah, next time you think SIXAXIS controls would generate any fun whatsoever, just think of Lair.

It's such general knowledge that reviewers don't even bother mentioning it. Kotaku just went through the trouble because the game did so many other things right, that there was hope that injecting fun in motion controls would be one of them, but apparently not.

ChiChi_BBQ

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jynxycat — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:02:59 MDT

Motion controls in general are just useless. Turn them off, and be done with it.

jynxycat

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:53:48 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: I thought PS3 would be screwed too. But I mean, they made the effort for the PSP twice, so I still give them some credit.

FP_slomo788

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LemmingZ — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:49:13 MDT

The only console I own is a PS3 and I despise the SixAxiS controlls when they are used for movement, annoying, too much effort, wrists can begin to feel the strain after a while, RSI no TY.

Folklore is the only game I've played that has used it well, but even that got annoying after a while.

LemmingZ

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C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:18:37 MDT

@slomo788: Ooo, I don't know. I'd be wary of that. I don't think it's true, but I've read a bunch of reviews that don't mention it. They did mention that the PS3 is lacking achievements (which R* has stated will be implemented when Home is released) but I haven't heard anything about custom music. I just naturally assumed that the PS3 will get the shaft, but who knows. I did read that there are 19 radio stations, and GTAIV's website only lists 18...

C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th

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Coma — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:06:56 MDT

Reloading sounds fun. But everything else sounds pretty lame.

Coma

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:00:42 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: All is not lost! From wiki: "Both versions of the game include an additional radio station that supports custom soundtracks by playing user imported MP3s." I hope they are right.

FP_slomo788

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ca$h — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:59:05 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: Who said I didn't take you seriously? Your opinion is no more/less valuable than anyone else's, mine included!

ca$h

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SofaKingHI — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:53:30 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: I dont have problems with the SIXAXIS either. My honest opinion is that game critics are to proud to suck at a learning curve that they shove all the blame on the controls. (for the most part)

But i can see where sitting back would be a problem on the motorcycle because in motorstorm i experienced the same problem on motorbikes.

SofaKingHI

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SofaKingHI — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:49:42 MDT

Thank you for the SIXAXIS post, i was hope someone would address the feature. Although i was hoping for a better reaction to the controls but ill be the finale judge on that;)

SofaKingHI

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j14rk1n — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:45:27 MDT

I would never fiddle with a third nipple of any sort. I'd be too weirded out.

j14rk1n

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TRT-X — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:45:13 MDT

@MoeB: GTAIV is a money maker. The more news about it...the more hits. The more hits...the more ad revenue.

Gotta milk the cow while they can.

TRT-X

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LittleBigPlaneteer — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:41:53 MDT

Well good thing it's optional!

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Everyone knows the same exact thing can be said about the Wii remote controls. Don't blame the controller, as much of a tacked on feature that it is, blame the developer.

Just play some time with a game that does it right and you'll realize Sixaxis isn't useless

LittleBigPlaneteer

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artofwar420 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:33:10 MDT

@Kikouken: Yep, and Warhawk too.

artofwar420

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PissedPS3Fan — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:25:30 MDT

Thanks for the review. You basically told me what I already knew, though. In the majority of titles that use SIXAXIS controls, those controls suck.

I, for one, almost exclusively play in a reclined position on my sofa. I don't want to adjust how I sit or hold the controller for some control scheme that's doesn't really add much to the game.

PissedPS3Fan

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heisert — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:21:54 MDT

turn it off...whats the point?

heisert

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leimeisei — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:21:33 MDT

SIXAXIS controls have sucked since the beginning of time, but this is actually more of a mental issue. Take this for example:

When you first get a Wii, if you have NEVER played one before, it takes a bit of time to get used to it, right? But you HAVE to get used to it, because you have no choice, and when you do, its extremely fun. However, (discounting the fact that the Sixaxis is not designed as conveninently as the wii remote), you are really never forced to use the Sixaxis at any time. Except for Lair, which just sucked at the time because the programmers didnt know that when you tilt the controller to the right, you want to move right.

But what im saying is: if PS3 could get a game out that had great sixaxis motion support, and FORCED you to use it, but was intuitive at the same time, people would use it. But, most likely this will never happen, so I wouldn't fall in love with the motion stuff too much. The COD4 people are too lazy to even put in DualShock 3 support.

leimeisei

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Darthearl — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:20:16 MDT

how does one "through" a controller?

Darthearl

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homernoy — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:14:30 MDT

I really can't blame this on the SIXAXIS controller. There needs to be more effort from the devs to make this feature feel natural and not forced. Do it right or simply don't include the option to use it.

I am not saying there hasn't been success, just that it is very hit and miss right now.

homernoy

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ChaoticInfinityX — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:06:58 MDT

As long as Devs learned from the blunder of Lair and don't make SIXAXIS use mandatory, then it's all good. There have been a few good uses of SIXAXIS, but its usually best if you can choose whether to use it or not.

ChaoticInfinityX

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SAKY — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:04:50 MDT

Some of the folks I see here enjoy the SIXAXIS and I imagine you will all be using it for GTA4. If you enjoy it...that's what counts, not everyone else's opinions about the quality of function the device has in a game. Don't get so angry over it, Kotaku and it's readers' opinions are NOT the end say on the topis of SIXAXIS' relevance.

SAKY

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Garo — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:03:55 MDT

@mikemil828:
LOL nice one

Garo

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DigiMish — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:03:38 MDT

I feel like the only time where the SIXAXIS was actually useful was for throwing grenades in Uncharted. It wasn't too sensitive, was fun and quick to do.

I think the SIXAXIS fails most of the time is because the developers made it too sensitive, lessening the sensitivity will allow the player to perform the action more easier, and not have to worry as much about oversteering for example.

Everywhere else like Heavenly Sword, I turn it off, and GTAIV will be no different.

DigiMish

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:02:04 MDT

@valleyshrew: I can't really speak for the 360 since I don't have one (yet). I think you play it over the game's soundtrack (that you just turn off). But I've played all the other GTAs (since III) on my Xbox, and although the soundtrack was amazing it gets old pretty fast for such a long ad addictive game. So it was very cool to have a "CD/tape" feature where you could add your own music, and the bass changed when you hooked up your car in San Andreas. I think there was even a way to have commercials between them like a real radio. Even the PSP had the damn feature! If you played GTA on PS2 before you won't really understand how awesome it is. I hope they will add it later like Burnout :(

FP_slomo788

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SAKY — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:59:39 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: Wii sensor bar is only for IR pointing and has nothing to do with motion controls.

I happy that you are happy with SIXAXIS, I haven't had a chance to try it yet.

SAKY

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SAKY — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:56:00 MDT

Reloading your gun by jerking the controller back.....sounds like adding a feature for the sake of adding a feature.

SAKY

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mikemil828 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:52:56 MDT

@Big World:
Yes the Sixaxis must be bashed, when ever possible. Texture pop-in on the X360 that you cannot stop is far less worthy of an entire article than lousily implemented motion controls that you CAN turn off.

mikemil828

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Elijah Man — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:52:14 MDT

@ Witzbold: Mr crecente and lots of others in this article are just giving their opinion on using 6axis. afterall who knows you may even enjoy using it you never know..

Elijah Man

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PapaBear434 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:47:15 MDT

@Witzbold:

As stated, it worked well in Warhawk. It's hard to do at first, but once you get the hang of it, you can control your ship with the motion controls and control your reticle with your sticks, allowing you a lot more control of your death dealing.

I've gotten the hang of it, and people have a very hard time shaking me.

PapaBear434

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adolfo-gomez — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:47:04 MDT

I loved it in Folklore, but thats about it.

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thatguyjr — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:46:14 MDT

"...but absolutely no benefit."

I don't quite understand this in the article. What benefit is expected of motion control, beyond using motions and gestures to control the game, rather than buttons? What I'm trying to say is that motion control is the benefit, especially for people less experienced at games.

I don't entirely understand this article. Not because it evaluates poorly constructed motion-control options in this game, but that it would rather question the utility of the controls. To me, it asks, "Why would I want to gesture when I could push a button or direction to do the same thing?" I think that's the wrong mentality to have, don't you?

I don't know. I feel like Crecente is expecting a bonus to result from using the motion controls here. Perhaps that he thinks the gun should reload faster, or that a car can handle a little better. This type of control is an alternative control, not something they want to bribe you into using. It's an option for those who would like to try it and maybe use it.

I understand you're trying to differentiate the PS3 and 360 versions of the game, but I just don't think that the controls look like they're described very well here.

thatguyjr

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valleyshrew — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:44:51 MDT

@slomo788:
I don't get the big fuss about those, games usually have finely tuned soundtracks to fit the atmosphere of the game. I can't imagine listening to music I like during a game, it would be a distraction. Maybe in a racing game, but that's about it.

On 360 how does it work - do you go to custom soundtracks and import from your hard-drive into the game, or do you play your own playlist over the top?

valleyshrew

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Jandlecack — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:43:31 MDT

@Big World: Heh ;D It was alright in Heavenly Sword but I thought it was really cool in Folklore. You should check it out :)

Jandlecack

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:43:00 MDT

@CitizenInsane27: Damn that sucks.

FP_slomo788

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Big World — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:40:29 MDT

@Candlejack: Haha I'm glad you brought that up. I usually chastise Nintendo for their sometimes questionable use of motion-controls, but the Sixaxis controls are a gimmick with a capital G.

With the exception of Heavenly Sword, I've never enjoyed using them in any game, and I don't think that'll be changing with GTA IV.

Big World

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Kenny — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:40:26 MDT

Personally I thought the SIXAXIS controls in Uncharted and R&C:F were extreme pwn. Both of those games utilized SIXAXIS quite well, to the point of me preferring that a game has motion control support.

Kenny

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j.howlett — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:39:42 MDT

@ CitizenInsane27: i love flying around in lair, that wasn't the problem. it had its faults but i like it. i always say fl0w help train me.

j.howlett

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valleyshrew — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:39:03 MDT

"It's unfortunate because if you're leaning forward as you play, or sitting back in the chair, it forces you to hold the controller oddly."

So? I pretty much have to stand up to play the wii (or sit on extreme edge of seat). In this case it really isn't a problem, because you can turn it off if you're uncomfortable unlike the wii.

@CitizenInsane27:
I liked the sixaxis features in resistance (shake off fire, enemies) cod3 (twist for melee attack, set bombs), and flOw/super rub a dub were okay minigame experiments. Oh, and by far the most fun and rewarding was Heavenly swords slow-mo arrow control that would have been rubbish with an analogue stick.

It's clearly better to have it than not in case you like it, which I'm sure a lot of people will. Once you get used to it in some games, it can potentially be more fun.

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C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:36:29 MDT

@slomo788: Nah, they left them out. I read in a small interview with Jeronimo Barrerra or however you spell it, that they thought it might interfere too much with the atmosphere of the game, so they didn't include it. The 360 just has it built in natively to it's OS, which the PS3 will once in game XMB is out, but until then, SOL friend.

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Furious — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:32:33 MDT

SixAxis is a whole different way of doing things. Trying to fit it to driving is usually a losing proposition (though 1up gave a great review if using it for Wipeout HD).

Though they clowned on using it to reload the weapon because you can use a button, you'd be surprised how quickly you come to like it. Folklore used it to "Grab souls". It saves you a button and you remember it easy. "Hitch" the controller up to reload.

I haven't played so it may be uber lame, but I bet more people use it to reload than you think. 6axis works for those types of things.

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JimElNino — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:32:28 MDT

A good dev can make good SIXAXIS controls that work well, I'm not saying R* is a bad dev, but SIXAXIS was obviously an afterthought.

I don't think SIXAXIS as a whole is totally worthless, I just think it has so far been largely an unexplored avenue.

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:32:11 MDT

I know I've asked in almost every post involving PS3 GTA4, but no custom soundtracks?

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C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:31:58 MDT

@ca$h: Yet, I'm sure that if my name was Jon_LAST NAME HERE you still wouldn't take me any more seriously.

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C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:30:51 MDT

@mentalboy11: Yeah, and given that we both ironically have something about being 'mental' or 'insane' in our names (mine, personally is a long running Radiohead reference, for anyone that would actually care to know...) we will get nothing but flak for it.

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Jandlecack — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:26:24 MDT

@Big World: Yea, I think I see your point. I suppose this could have been merged in the comparison article.

But when you think about it - shouldn't the SIXAXIS tilt function be more in the spotlight? I think Nintendo is to blame for people taking tilt as an afterthought or a mere attempt at motion controls. This is, IMHO, how the tilt function would be treated if it wasn't for the Wii.

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Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:26:00 MDT

Only feasible use for me is the Reload and the Bike... I'm used to wiping out doing wheelies by accident. I always have the analog stick upward whenever I play any way.

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ca$h — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:24:05 MDT

@CitizenInsane27:
Well, you admit to being insane in your name ;)

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Big World — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:23:24 MDT

@Candlejack: Well, if I did that than I'd just be an idiot.

All I'm saying is that the entire post could have been summed up into nine words that everyone can understand:

The Sixaxis controls are awful, don't use them. Seriously.

And yeah, there is such a thing as "too much coverage", lest we be reminded Halo 3 (by the end of that week, I could taste Master Chief in my dinner).

Big World

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Garo — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:21:42 MDT

The good thing is they are optional!

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mentalboy11 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:21:15 MDT

@CitizenInsane27:

i cannot agree with you more, this is exactly what i've been saying for a long time also.

i beat motorstorm with SIXAXIS, and i do use pro flight and sixaxis for warhawk.

mentalboy11

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:19:21 MDT

Besides, IGN compared the controls to Lair controls in the choppers (it was a smart jab too).

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Witzbold — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:19:02 MDT

Too all bitching, nobody is forcing you folks to click the jump and read the story so grow up for christs sake.

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mentalboy11 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:18:56 MDT

This is regarding using motion controls for driving and flying: people didn't like the motion controls for motorstorm, but i think it has the best motion controls compared to any other racing game. the other game with very good motion controls is warhawk. games with horrible motion sensing like call of duty 3, burnout paradise, etc. where the game is so imprecise with the angle of the controller you cant work with it at all. i hope GTA4 just has a learning curve like motorstorm and warhawk do, and not a flaw like call of duty 3 and burnout.

mentalboy11

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C1T1Z3N1N5AN3the27th — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:18:28 MDT

You know, I am rather tired of hearing the devout charade of angst against the SIXAXIS controllers as it is. I understand, yes the rumble is nice, yes, it's not a fucking Wiimote. But unusable? Am I the only mother fucking person on Earth (I must be!) that made it through Lair perfectly fine!?! Am I the only one that uses SIXAXIS and pro flight in Warhawk to have finer aiming and more intuitive control over my plane?? Am I the only insane mother fucker to EVER beat the ENTIRETY of Motorstorm with just the SIXAXIS and have absolutely no problems?!?

I swear everyone is doing something wrong! I can definitely see where it has a sometimes intimidating learning curve, and will never be as precise as an analog (but never will a Wiimote) but for christ's sake, every time I hear someone talk about it, it's like it was an abomination. Well, I am here to say as a proud owner of PS3, with a DS3 and three more SIXAXIS' to boot, they are not bad controllers, the motion sensing is not the greatest, but it is far from shit. I'd far rather play with that than the Wii strictly for the fact that the Wiimote is far too dependent on your location in relativity to your sensor bar. Which for me and most of my friends is a handicap when we play the games.

But also, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME! I AM NOT BASHING THE WII, I AM SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE SIXAXIS CAN (AND DOES GET) BE HANDLED RIGHT, IN WHICH IT IS PERFECTLY OK FOR GAMING PURPOSES. THE END. THANK YOU AND HAVE A VERY MONTOMBU DAY.

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FP_slomo788 — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:18:06 MDT

2 games (that I know if) have brought positive motion controls on PS3: Warhawk and Uncharted. Resistance was kinda cool the first 3 times and R6V was ok. After that, it's just a way to wow your friends and turn it off as quickly as possible.

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smartboydan hates college — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:16:17 MDT

The sad thing is, there are actually games that implement the SIXAXIS quite well, Ratchet and Clank Future, being an excellent example. The problem is, developing for different consoles mean that something like that does end up as an afterthought, and so it turns out shitty.
Man, I've been posting for nearly a year and still haven't been approved. Oh well. I guess I've just got to keep trying.

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Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich! — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:15:21 MDT

The reload sounds cool. Everything else sounds frustrating. You wrote the very well every word I read felt extremely tense.

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Jandlecack — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:13:20 MDT

@Big World: It's about games, it's about consoles, it's about controls, it's about advantages and disadvantages. The SIXAXIS tilt function is one of the features the 360 can not compete with simply because it doesn't support motion controls. To me it's perfectly reasonable to highlight good use of that console exclusive feature as well as the bad use.

Also, since when do we complain about too much coverage? Would you rather have too little, go out and buy the game thinking SIXAXIS gives you the edge, then it turns out to suck?

Jandlecack

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Witzbold — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:13:03 MDT

Good to know that the sixaxis controls are being useless as usual!

Yes Im being semi sarcastic but seriously more than half the time nobody wants its.

Witzbold

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Spoony Bard — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:12:45 MDT

@Slorg: flOw was the best use of sixaxis I've seen so far.

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Revolutionary — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:12:30 MDT

Good thing it's optional.

But, before starting the game, can you turn off the SIXAXIS controls in the Options or something prior to the Tutorial?

Revolutionary

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ca$h — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:11:24 MDT

That's a shame.

I had the same problem with the bikes in Motorstorm... why the hell do they use your controller's real life x-axis to control forward/backward weight shifts? I think that if they disabled that and used the controller only for left/right, it would become infinitely more playable,

But nooo... gotta use all six of those axes or NOTHING. Well, people'll take nothing any day now. You hear that devs? Rumble's back! You can stop with the gimmicks now.

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Kikouken — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:11:23 MDT

Huh?

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mr_dimsum — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:10:57 MDT

I've found most SIXAXIS controls to be just pointless to be honest. I haven't really played a moment where I absolutely thought it was crucial. It just seemed like dogged motion control.. I could live without it. I would give it in for rumble anyday.. Obviously Sony knows this since they're charging an arm and leg for the DualShock's.

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XeroTrinity — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:10:10 MDT

@Kikouken:
You lied to me... =(

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Slorg — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:09:54 MDT

@peAr_nectAr: I haven;t heard a good sixaxis review yet. maybe the controls just suck alltogether.

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Big World — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:09:24 MDT

Considering that most people who have ever used this feature for any game will probably not use it (like you've already suggested), was a full post on the Sixaxis controls really necessary?

Just an observation.

Big World

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proust — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:09:18 MDT

"Very easy to do, but absolutely no benefit." For a second I thought he was talking about the Wii.

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mescalineeyes — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:08:38 MDT

maybe they'll patch them at some point.

I'll definitely use the reloading, it was cool in army of two as well.

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Spoony Bard — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:08:27 MDT

Oooh. That makes the decision a lot easier right there. No competitive advantage here...thanks Brian. :)

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Maudite — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:08:26 MDT

@MoeB:

Somebody out there may have made that a deciding factor on which platform to buy for.

also... now I know not to get too frustrated... when I crash sideways into a building... because i know its not my fault.

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Koneesha — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:08:17 MDT

maybe they will update it to make them better.

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Jandlecack — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:08:00 MDT

The reloading gun motion sounds pretty cool to me. I will check it out, but expect the outcome to be like yours. I'm not a particular fan of SIXAXIS controls unless they're used in a first party game, in which they often are alright. Except Lair.

Jandlecack

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Fonzy — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:07:53 MDT

@MoeB: Probably because it's still worth passing on the specifics due to some not-so-shitty aspects of the controls (ie. the boat)

Fonzy

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Unlustigbolt — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:06:50 MDT

why is it so anoying to have the tutorial option in the menues?

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peAr nectAr — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:06:18 MDT

Maybe that was part of the deal with Sony? Sort of surprised that after all the care R* put into this game, that they couldn't nail the motion controls, or that they would just leave it in all half-assed like that.

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Moridin — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:06:06 MDT

Sucks that the SIXAXIS controls blow, but at least we can turn them off. Whew.

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Brian Crecente — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:05:56 MDT

@MoeB: Why not?

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MoeB — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:05:25 MDT

Final Thoughts: It's great that you guys dedicated an entire article to this topic but why waste the time and effort on reviewing the SIXAXIS controls.

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Kikouken — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:03:28 MDT

I never liked SIXAXIS controls, ever. Only in Folklore.

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