Fallout 3 Fights Violence With Violence - Kotaku Comments

Fallout 3 Fights Violence With Violence

Slatz_Grobnik — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:44:06 MDT

@RPGr: Seriously. The "middle ground" approach is the best, to my thinking, and perfectly viable. There are times, especially in Fallout 2, where it's hard not to stride in somewhere and go all Peckinpah. But there's equally no doubt in my mind that many of the non-violent solutions are much more clever and entertaining than the violent ones are.

What's even cleverer is how buried some are. Seriously, I don't know how the developers created that game. There are layers upon layers of secrets and tricks, and odd twists depending on what skills you bring to bear.

Slatz_Grobnik

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Derigor — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:00:03 MDT

Bloody Mess + Power Hammer = mmmm
Take that Slaver Scum!
Take that prostitute!
Take that Sherrif!
Take that Redneck!
Take that 55 redneck children that aggro me after I turn their parents into pulp on a wall!

Derigor

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Paladin58 — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:08:25 MDT

@MingTheMagnificent: This is one of the reasons why I'll be slightly saddened whilst playing 'Fallout 3'. I'm-a miss 'Freedom Shots'... :\

Paladin58

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etho — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:12:28 MDT

@Darascon:

I'm pretty sure you can still do targeted attacks, meaning, presumably, groin shots. And I'd be a bit shocked if you couldn't plant things on people (you could in all the Elder Scrolls games) including, presumably dynamite. I agree, though, if those things aren't there, it will be sad.

I can't wait for Fallout 3. I've been replaying the last two games lately.

etho

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Darascon — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:27:40 MDT

Boo the no text descriptions. Wonder how they're going to handle the random banter between NPC's as well as the chatter from your team. OH, and fallout hack + brass knuckles + bloddy mess = hilarious!
Going to miss the whole groin shot/plant dynamite on children part though.

Darascon

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godot — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:17:06 MDT

How to strike a balance between violence and humour, you ask?

"Target was critically hit in the eyes for 32 points causing severe blindness as if there is any other kind." -- Quoted from original Fallout

godot

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braagh — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:05:21 MDT

I prefer "hyper-violence" to normal violence.

Blood fountains are always entertaining. Personally, it's better than those moments that are pretending to be realistic. Moments in movies where there are bloody intestines getting dug from a body (looking at the original Saw) bother me a lot by comparison. It fits in certain situations, mainly horror films and "gross-out" films, but cheesiness will usually work better in a video game. Exploding heads and flying nondescript meat chunks are always more entertaining to me.

braagh

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BornToFlail — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:39:50 MDT

Must know if this will run on XP or if they're going Vista only!!

Want to get it on PC but if it is Vista I'm saying screw that and putting it on the PS3.

BornToFlail

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Ignorance's Enemy — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:02:57 MDT

Gears Of War Gore In Fallout? Im All For It!! Im Actually Glad About This Approach, Makes It Seem A Lot More Gritty And Demented Which Is The Vibe I Got From The Trailer. So Ya, Works For Me.

Ignorance's Enemy

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DARTH_TIGRIS — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:19:59 MDT

@goliathvv:

As long as we have options, I'm good.

DARTH_TIGRIS

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Imakeholesinu — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:19:50 MDT

Fallout was a great game. I played the original for hours. It is to bad it doesn't run that well on XP (dies occasionally) same goes for Fallout 2.

I'm in a debate on which version to purchase, PS3 or PC.

Imakeholesinu

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angry_gamer — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:38:07 MDT

@Slatz_Grobnik:
@Grive:

Really? Might have to dig out those old CDs and give Fallout a shot then.

I really should play the games I buy...

angry_gamer

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Grive — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:31:50 MDT

@RPGr: That's fallout, actually.

You can beat it without killing.

Grive

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goliathvv — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:27:25 MDT

@DARTH_TIGRIS: I vote for an obrigatory "over violent bloodsheding, arm ripping, head twisting" gore slider, wich means even more violence! :D

goliathvv

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dv8godd — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:40 MDT

Bloody Mess by default... excellent.

That saves me a perk slot for something else. :)

dv8godd

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Slatz_Grobnik — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:17:56 MDT

@RPGr: Well, if it's done like Fallout was done, it will have both. That's what made the originals so amazing. Few games actually present a viable option for getting through it without violence, or with minimized violence.

I mostly agree. There are a lot of games I can't get through because they go too violent. Curiously, though, I don't find graphic violence to be much of a problem, it's the quantity or lack of other alternatives. But Fallout was always about the alternatives.

The problem I see with this is, for me at any rate, while a lot of the graphics were fun, what really lent charm to the violence in the Fallout games was the text descriptions, which isn't going to be there.

Slatz_Grobnik

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DARTH_TIGRIS — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:12:12 MDT

I vote for a optional gore filter.

DARTH_TIGRIS

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fuchikoma — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:10:08 MDT

Nice. This goes well with me - I played Fallout 1 with a combo of the Brotherhood of Steel's Super Sledgehammer and a full-auto shotgun as my backup. It was great either cutting someone in half with a hammer, or knocking them sliding out of the room, then wasting all their AP running back up to me to get hit again!

fuchikoma

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salmonax — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:53 MDT

i'm glad to see that they're not taking the "avoiding silliness" idea too seriously.

salmonax

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Rebochan — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:03:53 MDT

Joy! Does this mean the return of Bloody Mess?

Rebochan

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angry_gamer — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:53:44 MDT

@onidavin: I dunno how the violence worked on your pregnant or grant thing but it has most certainly failed in bringing over Front Mission 5 :(

angry_gamer

Fallout 3 Fights Violence With Violence

onidavin — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:25:08 MDT

@RPGr: You don't like Looney Tunes? I fear you may be some sort of philistine ;)

To this day, all of my problems in life are solved with anvils and dynamite.

"DAVIN I'M PREGNANT!" -- Anvil!
"Your grant proposal is denied." -- Dynamite!
"Front Mission 5 will never come out in the US." -- Dynamite!

onidavin

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z357x — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:12:20 MDT

fond memories of playing UT at LAN's come to mind.

z357x

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eatrice — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:10:15 MDT

As I've always said, "Violence never solved anything...peacefully."

eatrice

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MingTheMagnificent — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:06:38 MDT

I'm buy this line of reasoning more if there were groin shots...

MingTheMagnificent

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angry_gamer — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:05:19 MDT

@The_Foo: I've seen those types of Cartoons, doesn't mean I like'em (I actully find it boring).

Besides, there isn't any gore in Looney Tunes unlike Tarentino films so hyper-violence is not an issue in those.

angry_gamer

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Pantsman — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:03:05 MDT

My God, this must be the second thing I've heard about this entire game that makes it look like it will be true to the franchise. Good news.

Pantsman

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The_Foo — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:01:53 MDT

@RPGr:
You've never seen a cartoon, then? You know, Daffy Duck + Dynamite = LOL?

The_Foo

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darvos — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:59:35 MDT

It's been years since I sliced a person in half with a laser rifle.

darvos

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Koztah — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:59:02 MDT

@ara:

Sometimes.

Unless you take the Bloody Mess perk, then it's ALL the time.

Though I personally found that Bloody Mess made the more extreme death animations too common and kind of ruined their entertainment value.

Koztah

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BlackDove — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:35 MDT

That's what it always was, that's what it always should be.

Just over the top gore, ratatatatatta upper half of body comes off.

BlackDove

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Mister Adequate — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:51:45 MDT

Well, that's what the first two were like. So I approve!

Mister Adequate

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alecpyron — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:48:39 MDT

Heads exploding in pieces = GotY!

alecpyron

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DigiMish — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:48:08 MDT

How could anyone deny Kill Bill? HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW?

DigiMish

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GFX-187 — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:46:00 MDT

Booom headshot, lookin gud

GFX-187

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angry_gamer — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:44:53 MDT

I guess I'm one of the few people who does not get "Hyper-Violence". To me it's much more sickening than straight up "realistic" violence.

I've never played either of the Fallouts but I do have them somewhere in my PC section box.

Personally I really want to play a post-apocalyptic world where I can live by my wits (try to make it through without becoming Lord of the Flies-esque) rather than resort to becoming sub-human.

angry_gamer

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KuromanKuro Live and PSN — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:43:49 MDT

@Krackatoa:
Precisely.

KuromanKuro Live and PSN

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enewtabie — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:43:13 MDT

@Witzbold:
It's getting a worldwide release on the CE.

enewtabie

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Krackatoa — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:41:25 MDT

@KuromanKuro Live and PSN: More like "Tongue in the dirt two hundred yards away from the actual body."

Mirite?

Krackatoa

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Grive — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:38:36 MDT

@ara: Depends, though with the bloody mess thingie, it even happens if you sneeze on them :D

Grive

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gils0n — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:36:58 MDT

@ara: Not typically. But that's what the 'Bloody Mess' perk is for. :)

gils0n

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Seiven — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:57 MDT

exploding heads = pre-order in my book

Seiven

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Grive — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:30:36 MDT

I think they're doing that well. Fallout was hardly a serious game - comedy, dark and brooding as it was, was unquestionably the aim. So having "real" violence would actually be detracting. "Over the top" murder? Perfectly in place.

@Flawless101: ... no, it's not. That's why they actually reference previous work by other people... like Quentin Tarantino.

Grive

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ara — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:29:22 MDT

Hasn't that always been the case with Fallouts? The little I recall is that targets pretty much explode when shot with full automatic weapons.

ara

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JRONJR — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:28:08 MDT

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."
-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

JRONJR

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dead_red_eyes — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:28:02 MDT

Hell yes!!! More blood & such please.

@Witzbold:

I can't WAIT to have that lunchbox.

dead_red_eyes

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enewtabie — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:26:35 MDT

@Witzbold:
ah..I almost forgot about the bobble head..It'll be the first collectors edition I ever get.

enewtabie

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Malthius — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:25:37 MDT

Fallout practically invented the gib. More please.

Malthius

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Witzbold — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:23:24 MDT

Thank god.

I also pray this wont be region locked too.

Then again if it is the LE version lunchbox will make up for that!

Witzbold

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Flawless101 — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:23:02 MDT

Its not really a new concept is it though, over the top unrealistic violence? Its the realistic violence that really gets people wound up more.

Flawless101

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enewtabie — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:21:28 MDT

I listened to N'Gai talking about Fallout 3 last night and I'm so jazzed
and I don't like RPGs really.I'm even more jazzed that I might get a free copy from Beth..if I beg a little more..

He also mentioned that in house QA at Beth could not tell a difference in the 360 or PS3 version..that's makes me a happy man.

enewtabie

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ShirtGuyDom — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:18:34 MDT

To keep the analogies in the realm of video games, it's more like Soldier of Fortune than Brothers in Arms (I hear Hell's Highway is going to be brutally realistic).

ShirtGuyDom