TeldurUK

i also hope that the next zelda game would be something like this video i found on you tube

+ Watch video

i think it would be a good turn around as long as they do keep the hardcore gamer in mind.

dragonheart85

freespeech

pABSO

StickyPurpleCat

lost_in_hollywood

goodknight

HarmanSmith

if they ruin zelda i will go on a murderous rampage through the nintendo building

[www.supafine.com]
thats what i want

Triple07

I am a fan of retooling the story while keeping the same elements... the steampunk idea sounds really cool, even if it's been done before...

Oh, and I've been arguing since Melee came out that people should get a chance to play as Zelda or Sheik. Hey, since the Zelda games seem to have a really loose continuity anyway, why not have a game where Sheik is his own person and we can play as him, using Solid Snake-style stealth?

joshquixote

Crawl to China

Personally, I'd love another handheld Zelda... longer than Phantom Hourglass though. That game was waaaay too short.

Akanubon

KM91

ThisCharmingMan

Pantsman

sitsalot

Resident Evil: 4
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Wii Sports
Metroid Prime 3
Mario Galaxy
Cooking Mama

I even thought the "tacked on" controls for TLOZ:TP was fun too.

dead_red_eyes

Bruce Skillis

Anyway, I hope the Zelda team is working on a new IP and not yet another formulaic Zelda game. I love and own them all, but it's getting pretty tired.

Anarchist_Gamer

sitsalot

BryanH

I didnt like Wind Waker not because of the graphics i still think the graphics are amazing and wouldnt mind seeing another game in that style, I hated it cause there was like what 3 Dungeons and the rest of the game was wasted island hopping. There was no epic feel to it like Ocarina Of Time had or Link to the Past i just didnt feel like Zelda to me. One thing they need to take from Wind Waker though is its world size, ITS HUGE but wasted cause its only small islands. I liked Twilight Princess but it felt like i was playing Ocarina Of Time 2.0 but i did get pretty excited when i thought that they might Just have Zant be the main villain but knowing Nintendo i knew better.

A Couple of things for the New Zelda - Increase Difficulty i never even stocked up on fairys/potions in Twilight Princess cause i never went into a Dungeon thinking there was a remote chance of dying (Hell not even for the Cave or Ordeals), You can make a game more difficult and still not make it frustrating or cheap (more enemy health), you've done it in the past.
Next size, Make the world HUGE make the citys giant not his a few building here and a couple of shops there i want like a real city. I would like to see it take you 45min to get from one side of World to the other on your Horse.
Which brings me to the other point - Make it non-linear, sometimes TP felt like an on a rail adventure game, Open it up like Super Metroid. And my final point DON'T MAKE IT CASUAL because doing so negates all the points i made XD. But Seriously Its the core gamers that have brought you this far and kept you alive, sure a game aimed at core gamers (core not Hardcore, you can never please them) will *Gasp* not move as many copys and therefor not make you as much money as a casual shovelware game but if you do that to Zelda you lose your Core, the casual crowd is fickle and eventually will move on to the next fad and then you will not have any legs to stand on.
You make enough money on hardware sales you do not need to fuck with Zelda.

Thanatos

I wonder how Zelda could be revitalized. Should a new story be made??? You know, Maybe Link and Zelda are happy now and something comes along and now you have to play as both link and Zelda in certain areas. That Sheik was amazing in Brawl, maybe they should think of using her.

valhum

Tagging a commenter's opinion as epic fail is an insult, not and argument. You can disagree, not impose.

Herodito

Can anyone point to that game and tell me it's a HARDCORE game? Okay, and can any of you point to it and tell me it's a CASUAL game?

Here's the thing, hands went up for both sides. Galaxy hit the perfect line of hardcore and casual.

Who's to say that shiggy can't do the same with the next Zelda game? Consider for a moment that Twilight Princess was a port of a gamecube game.

But a Zelda game designed GROUND UP for the Wii?

I'm seeing some serious potential here, people.

Ichidou

But then again, I imagine that a kid who begins playing his first LOZ game, and expresses his first "WOW" on the game, really deserves to play the original Zelda formula.

I may have become to soaked into all its lore, but new people to the series haven't, so what it seems like stagnation to me, is a WOW moment to somebody else.

I loved LOZ: A Link to the Past, but my most impressive moment on any LOZ was the presentation of the Deku Tree in OOT. I remember thinking, "what an amazing moment, if only somebody else in my family appreciated this as I do".

New gamers deserve to experience that formula too. But yeah, it is clear the series are locked in time.

Ohh, and if you collected all 100 skultullas and all bottles, then probably you spent +100 hours of gameplay and probably even more. God knows I did.

Herodito

DarkFestim

Truth be told, since I can't imagine I have a very great track record of ingratiating the likes of bashcraft with my comments, I wouldn't in the least be surprised to discover that the issuance of a star to whosits was less a show of appreciation directed at the commenter for finding his input insightful and valuable than it was an attempt to stick it to me for resenting me and the attitude that I often bring to discussions.

shikaningen

PLEASE. NEVER AGAIN, Nintendo. Hero's Cave in the Oracles games was only okay because it was a sidequest..

LunarTakiro

ortegar

Americo

Anyway, if he wants to make a Zelda game anyone can enjoy, I have an idea for him: difficulty settings. I don't mean giving enemies more health either. Add more enemies, add new attacks for bosses, etc. Twilight Princess was solid, if unremarkable, but I never felt challenged.
Also, bring back the adventure feel of the old games. I agree that the games have gotten more linear. Make the overworld part of the experience again and not just filler between dungeons. Make people have to find the dungeons like in the NES days. Let people enter the second to last dungeon before the first (even if they can't complete it).
My last idea is give Zelda a real role besides damsel in distress. We know she can kick ass, why not make a game where she's your partner? You could even let people switch control or let player 2 jump in at any time.

Tiber

Cchrist

If, reading my comments, you are picturing a person flailing his hands about his head, with wild eyes and disheveled hair, screaming at the top of his lungs in a thespian Shakespearean way, then you need to do a u-turn and drive at least 100 miles in the opposite direction.

shikaningen

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Can't say anything but i agree with you really.

It's strange that you hear the same things from alot of people and Nintendo just turns a blind eye towards it. Kinda depressing really.

Cchrist

Yes, please, by all means keep those stigmata, those scarlet letters, those stars of David away from me! I'll not suffer the humiliation.

shikaningen

i'd love a realtime advanced wars on wii. how about a custom robo that doesn't have a ridiculously bad story mode, retarded characters and more detailed robo designs?

how about a fire emblem that's a traditional rpg with a consistent story? ms has lost odyssey, sony has FFXIII, nintendo has....Opoona? what the hell?

nintendo is the king of missed opportunities. the second nintendo saw the monies rolling from wii sales iwata should have been on the phone calling square for a true FF crystal chronicles sequel that wirelessly uses the DS in ad hoc, instead of the asstastic GBA setup. joint development venture, online support with chat, full customization, orchestrated score and a robust story and production value. beat Capcom at their own monster hunter game.

where is Kid Icarus? can we get a real 1080 sequel instead the bullshit, password riddled avalanche? i'm sick of mario.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Your comment was quite a failure itself by several metrics - the most salient of which that you didn't perceive that my comment was largely tongue-in-cheek. I don't hate Shiggy and I don't want to stab him in the face, but I am by no means pleased with the fact that he is trying to appeal to philistines with no sense of how a videogame should be, the casual gamers. Hardcore gamers, as I see it, are to those who can appreciate an indie movie as casual gamers are to the utterly contemptible churls who refuse to watch any movie other than a hollywood movie featuring dozens of explosions, cheap prosaic dialog and plot, and gratuitous swearing.

Also, I am 22. And I never completed the first two LOZ games.

"To say Shiggy is selling out Zelda for greet is one of the biggest complete failures i've ever seen made by a commenter on this website. It also shows that you are one of the 'crazy old men' of gaming that need to be taken with a grain of salt and a rubber room waiting for you. Who are you to declare "Leave LOZ to the hardcore masses?" If Zelda was left to the hardcore masses, it's sales would be complete and utter shit, as most so called 'hardcore' games are that do not have a large influx of causal buyers."

So it sounds like you agree with me. You say - paraphrasing - "if zelda were left to the hardcore crowd it wouldn't make as much money". And there you have it: Shiggy's sole motivation for reducing this game down to the lowest common denominator - to make as much money as possible. Making the game to appeal to a more hardcore market would certainly make it good or better, but that's not the goal, is it?

For all your vitriol, and unwarrantable conclusions about my age, mental status, and so forth, you really didn't make any cogent points. You started out saying that Shiggy isn't doing this out of greed and then contradicted yourself a sentence later.

/EPIC FIAL (sic)

shikaningen

A Zelda made just for Wii could be cool but only if they shake up the gameplay -- I'm so tired of 3-D Zelda, although I'm not sure many people agree.

GhaleonUnlimited

I had such high hopes for the Wii but like all Nintendo hardware NOTHING can do well on their system except Nintendo games which now mostly suck OR has fucking Mario plastered all over it.

I guess my Nintendo brainwashing has worn off huh?

ShareYourTreats

Maybe the next Zelda will expand on Crossbow Training... it's an idea anyway.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Like they did with pikmin. Something really new.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Couldn't have said it any better myself!

Cchrist

i want to see nintendo evolve their franchise. if a franchise didn't start as casual then don't make it casual. a casual zelda adventure isn't what's needed. a better story and new play mechanics are needed. shadow of the colossus should have been a zelda game. even the final chapter in metroid prime had a lame story and even through i loved the controls and gameplay , the phazon corruption aspect sucked. prime2 had the best story with the Ing being totally vicious and the luminoth getting their asses kicked as a result. but with no cutscenes you just get to read about it.

anyways, nintendo is making the core users pay for not supporting them for the last two generations. wii isn't for us regardless of what nintendo says. i know i'm not the only person that would rather play ps3, 360 or psp before wii. its a shame because i love what the wiimote did for some games. RE5 for example will truly be a gimped affair on 360 and ps3 without a wiimote setup. metroid prime3, cod3 and metal of honor 2 proves that fps games control better with a wiimote than dual analog on any other console. even the kickass motion controls of the upcoming WipeoutHD were already done in excitetruck with the wiimote. but wii has been a disappointment regardless of the glimmers of brilliance.

from a business perspective, nintendo has proven to be the better company than sony and ms. especially since many expected wii to be dead in the water at this point. but from a core gamer's (my) perspective wii is 'meh' overall. news of the zelda team working on a new game doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

PS you got a new follower.

juliopalio

Sounds beautiful

juliopalio

Cozwic

EmeraldDragon

phnord

I think it's really too bad that The Shig doesn't dar to do something really original. Like what the creator of Katamari did. He thought of something that hadn't been done before and just threw it out to the world. And they're great games! And there are alot of other examples like that to show nintendo that you don't have to "do what the public wants." Just take a dive for once and see if people like it.

I used to absolutely love nintendo but these days i look at their games and it's the same games i played 10 years ago only with some new gimmick attached and i think thats a really big shame because Nintendo has so much potency to do otherwise.

Cchrist

Rebochan

I agree. OOT was great, Wind Waker was a MASTERPIECE but Twilight Princess seemed like it was phoned in.

I would like to see another Wind Waker. If I do ever buy a DS it would be for Phantom Hourglass.

battra92

I have Carpel Tunnel as well and PH didn't really bother me. You should really try it, the game is a blast!

EmeraldDragon

Soldrak

GerarDOS

PLEASE!!

Ultrasinc

I've been watching them screw up over and over again (online gameplay, I'm looking at you) and I'm just sick of the crap, honestly. They don't want to appeal to gamers anymore, fine, but I won't be there anymore.

Darkest Daze

Well the art style is largely the entire atmosphere of the game. I didn't like windwaker for different reasons but my gf did just dislike it for the graphics. The problem is they messed with the atmosphere of zelda (turning it away from the feel of zelda in some people's opinion) and that is what they did wrong, rather than try and reinvent the game with the same feel or add to it like twilight princess did they chose to go for an overly radical rehaul of the graphics which effected how people saw the game and felt while playing it.

Poor level design in the past does not effect the failure of nintendo to further provide to the hardcore gamer by making games difficult (or atleast have the option of higher difficulty) and provide new IP which are more catered towards the experienced gamer.

That's where I disagree, it's not an unending cycle cos it is possible to appeal to both by merely producing more titles or switching between what they provide. So far in the ways of new IP I have seen no hardcore games and plenty of casual ones such as Wii play, Wii fit, Wii sports etc. As I've said they did release fire emblem but the problem is we need more. If you think about the amount of gaming a hardcore player does compared to a casual player you'll see that providing less to those who play more will result in them having felt completely abandoned since they will finish those games quicker.

Llost

I want a Zelda that can make for the Wii what Link to the Past made for the SNES - a leap when compared to its predecessor as far as game depth, plot and detail go...but I would also like to have some of the freedom that the original Legend of Zelda has. One thing I didn't like in TP is that it's too linear, too much A --> B --> C --> D, etc...however, if the next Zelda game really is taking the "casual" approach, I don't see that happening, let's hope they don't make one where you cannot take one step without a tutorial opening up an explaining how to walk, how to use the sword, and such...

I also can't imagine a new Zelda game with dungeons as difficult as Majora's Mask's dungeons...

JP_Neptune

M

Foxstar Sixtail

Tingle

However, as Ganon being the king of all evil in the world of Hyrule, he is destined to revive time and again.

BPMο

Zelda's evolution line is something that's hotly debated and will be till the end of time. I think fans have had a hand in it not upscaling as much because they react like spoiled children, look at Wind Waker, a change in art style resulted in the biggest fan bawwwww in years and for what? It was the same game, but so much as a change in art style caused mass hate.

All of the Nintendo core games have always shifted over the years. I think people are starting to mistake 'difficulty' for what was poor level design, controls and whatnot, as someone who's been playing games from 1979 on, Zelda has never been that hard, save for Zelda II and like Wind Waker, fans threw a shit fit over that one too, though it was a fantastically done title and harder then almost any other game of it's time.

Nintendo can try to appeal to it's core fanbase as much as it wants but as it works to appeal to it's new one, it will lose/piss off members of the old one. It's a unending cycle.

Foxstar Sixtail

Tales of symphonia 2 will be pretty hardcore though but still, what I'm saying is too little focus. Not a large criticism cos I know it will develop but at the moment not enough.

Llost

Horseflesh

Actually your sort of right and sort of wrong. It's good business sense to appeal to more people but bad customer care to neglect your initial fanbase. Shiggy could make a new game (like he hasn't already chucked out enough Wii peripheral based stuff already) to cater to new fans but why take away from your core audience?

Llost

Foxstar Sixtail

giddymao

Foxstar Sixtail

Llost

"I am going to stab him square in the face, if he keeps talking like that. Fuck you and your greed, Shigeru. How could you murder this wonderful series in the name of financial gain? Can't you just shovel a dozen or so pieces of shovelware onto store shelves and leave classic LOZ to the hardcore gamers, if you need money so bad? Please?"

First off, Shiggy does not set out to make a game that will rake in the billions, most of his games naturally over time do that because of his design mastery and foresight. To say Shiggy is selling out Zelda for greet is one of the biggest complete failures i've ever seen made by a commenter on this website. It also shows that you are one of the 'crazy old men' of gaming that need to be taken with a grain of salt and a rubber room waiting for you. Who are you to declare "Leave LOZ to the hardcore masses?" If Zelda was left to the hardcore masses, it's sales would be complete and utter shit, as most so called 'hardcore' games are that do not have a large influx of causal buyers.

If Shiggy can not create a game that will appeal to the widest amount of people, then he is not doing his job correctly. Yes, that means those causal gamers you hate so much from your basement lair. Please for the love of god, open your mind and think before you stamp out such a hate-filled clueless rant in these comment sections in the future, the causal gamer you so hate on is the only reason gaming has returned in such a faction from the crash of 1983. And you know what? You owe a shitload more to causal gamers then you will ever know, if you would pay attention.

Foxstar Sixtail

JRONJR

Guirrotine

Seriously, screw lego. Steampunking games should be the to go.

Antihippy

CallMeRotten

Nirual

Chef

"For me, I'm trying to entertain as many people as I can, creating games that the widest number of people can enjoy."

I am going to stab him square in the face, if he keeps talking like that. Fuck you and your greed, Shigeru. How could you murder this wonderful series in the name of financial gain? Can't you just shovel a dozen or so pieces of shovelware onto store shelves and leave classic LOZ to the hardcore gamers, if you need money so bad? Please?

@Archaotic:

I generally liked the Wind Waker aesthetic. What I disliked about it was the island setup. I wished that there had been several enormous islands with breathtaking wind-swept plains laden with tall grasses rhythmically licked and swayed by the winds with numerous much smaller islands scattered about haphazardly, not evenly spaced out in a unnatural unrealistic grid system. And I wish it had been a bit darker - less candy-cane, rainbows, and lollipos - and lonelier, providing a strange feeling of serene and peaceful isolation. Overall, though, I think they were headed in the right direction.

shikaningen

I sincerely agree.

Snappywave

Ashurahori

Go back and read his statement again. Your taking it out of context and completely missing the point.

Foxstar Sixtail

How the hell can he say games aren't enjoyable anymore? I know he's old and weird but it's like me saying TV is boring so I am gonna make some TV where the purpose is to jiggle around while you watch TV. All he's done is add a new way of playing games and it's all of a sudden better? To me I just think he's too high on the idea of Wii and DS being a revolution whereas they are really just an alternative.

Llost

As for reinventing the series? I dunno. Flippy's ideas sound pretty but they just make me think of FF. They've redone that sort of world again and again I don't need Zelda in that world. I always liked that the stories and history of Hyrule were fairly vague. It lends to the archetypal feel the games have. A classic hero myth if you will. It's why I love that Link doesn't talk and the same characters reappear again and again in different times. It's all very Jungian. Joseph Campbell eat your heart out.

ConstantCupcake

Around the time of Majoras Mask, I was finding the whole structure of the Zelda games to be way too samey. Wind Waker came in with a fresh new artisitc direction and kinda messed around with the tried and trusted Zelda formula in a way which may have proven a little too radical for most fans of the series.

To me, Wind Waker is the pinacle of the Zelda game series. Taken that into account, you will understand my bias when I say that Phantom Hourglass was a pure joy to play. I loved the switch to stylus control. It made navigating through the game a little more of a challenge and, in some cases, more natural than using the d-pad.

johnnywashngo

They already made one. And it was boring.

JonC

marmidukestank

Eden.B

And the causal hate is just stupid around here. Hardcore gamers alone can't muster up enough sales on titles to be worth a crap.

Foxstar Sixtail

Translation -

Eya'...fuck all yous guys. We gotsa copy pasta machine right ova dere and...well...it prints money.

Black-Dog-Howls

OneManFreakShow

BPMο

[www.2dadventure.com]

Plus, gerudos in leathers and goggles, wearing bandoliers of wrenches and screwdrivers - not widely trusted, but the best craftswomen in the world... I can't help but dig that idea.

+ Watch video

From 0:16 onwards for a bit - that sort of area. Can anyone else see Gorons living like that, buildings etched into the walls?

Man.

It makes me sad that it's not going to happen =(

Flippy_D

Casual Zelda sounds like a minigame where you get to be Navi and tell Link...well...you know.

Chef

the-red-terror

BPMο

TL;DR: If it is not broken, don't fix it. And the Zelda OoT-style engine is certainly not broken.

Grinman

Not to mention it's just damn creative. Gold star, Flippy. Gold star.

Archaotic

Nintendo needs to switch it up a litttle. The game is always the same. Which is fine but don't make it soo obvious.

Netnavi

Specifically, Zelda needs to be a steampunk-lite semi-open world adventure. Think Laputa Castle in the Sky by Miyazaki.

Think Zora river traders.

Think mechanical monsters and blunderbuses.

Think Link starting out in a small cottage on some sunswept bluffs overlooking the sea, when one day a thin plume of black smoke stretches spindly into the sky.

Think Goron quarrymen.

Think Hyrule being a city like Venice, over a maze of canals - a thriving trade hub.

Think Gerudo mechanics.

Flippy_D

Archaotic

Pornosaur

okay, let's rephrase that... "Please don't make an >extremely< casual Zelda game.

M. Lobo

Zolbrod

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

Now Four Swords, THAT was casual.

Zolbrod

the_dudefather

Let's just say the cards didn't line up right for Phantom Hourglass, so I just never even bothered.

Archaotic

jibbitz

You skipped skipped Phantom Hourglass?! Man ... you're missing out on a really fun title. Sure, it was a little easy ... but I had a fucking blast.

dead_red_eyes

I was just about to say the same thing. Link's Crossbow Training is pretty casual.

dead_red_eyes

My thoughts exactly. The second the Zelda series goes casual is the day I abandon Nintendo. I already skipped Phantom Hourglass, so they're on thin ice. If they screw this up, I'll have nothing left to look forward to, now that Brawl is out and in my hands. =/

Archaotic

paul_allan

Dannon

Antihippy

paul_allan

Link's Hero Conditioning

shadydentist

jcsunshine

Chobie

Complete with Ganondorf in sweats.

Lyrai