roflwaffles

Android18a

KaBob799

...lmao!

ninjablaze

I wish you people would stop being so freaking PS3 and 360 loving because the Wii is just as good as them. You fanboys need to quit hating, I'm just not impressed by graphics at the least. Doesn't mean I don't find games on the 360 and PS3 fun.

Shaoko

Taedan

decays

Elrinth

Ixero

Stueymon

Mysticgamer

KreacherOfBloodandRank

But seriously, I'd be more impressed if there were actual character models/animations and an outdoor environment included in the tech demo. Nevertheless, for the Wii it's fairly imressive.

Strangelove

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

rdj

ThisCharmingMan

The pillar for example didnt even have have over 10 sides. Considering that we've seen MUCH higher counts on the Gamecube even in much older games like the first Starfox game on the system, this would actually allow for alot of great effects in adventure and FPS games on the Wii.

If the developers are smart they can have some very impressive games. We wont be getting Crysis on the Wii but as we should be able to great looking games with great gameplay... amazing physics along with that may not happen though...

SaanZ

agustin2489

That said, tech demos just don't mean a lot to me until I see more than just a fly-by.

tcrat

dmcshinobi

UncleScrotar

jitty9

Well said! :D I think it is impressive that companies like High Voltage are trying to push the boundaries of the Wii. The technical limitations and struggles that developers go through in order to paint a picture has to be painstaking at time. Getting smooth looking/seamless tiles is hard enough!

raptorsrevenge

Gam3r

:(

dead_red_eyes

Only good games so far that I have played are Galaxy, RE4 and No more Heroes.

xgenius

wait... you are saying that the Wii market is flooded with FPS games?

what FPS games? This is for Wii, which has very few FPS games.

Also, I was not impressed, maybe it was watching it on the tiny IGN screen, but it looked like the tech demo level of Serious Sam 2, from 2005.

Jon_Danger

scarshapedstar

Jnkzm4

Now make a good (doesn't even have to be great) game out of it.

Might be a bit harsh, but HV hasn't really done that in a while.

JohnnyLA

auberondreaming

sergotron

Knifa

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

Where are your eyes? This DOES look beter than those gamecube ports...

Resso

KirbyMorph

Now I'm just waiting for Bionic Commando Re-armed to hit LIVE.

Anarchist_Gamer

xgenius

battra92

Chrinkster

interstate78

And by that I mean FRAMED PER SECOND

This tech demo is great but everything's moving at a really slow pace and nothing is animated and nothing has an AI and the room is fairly small.

Don't get me wrong this looks very good but I wonder how an actual game would look on there.

interstate78

I am happy that the devs are trying to push the Wii to the limit, then we can expect to see some good looking games other than the Nintendo ones.

valhum

...and the simple fact that the Wii has by far the best FPS controls available on any system and only ONE good FPS released to date; MPC (MoHH has the best controls, but is pretty mediocre as a game).

Oh, wait - that's a PLUS.

I really don't get it. The Wii has a 4 to 1 ownership ratio over the other consoles. Why aren't developers jumping all over this? And why does everybody here assume Wii owners don't care about graphics? I know I certainly do! But I'm not about to spend my hard earned money on a console that's guaranteed to break down, and the PS3 is still waaay out of my price range (not to mention my absolute disdain of the "dualshock" style controller).

What's wrong with this picture?

wonder6oy

Trawgdoor!

For all you tl;dr losers out there- I think that the effects in this game look like crap.

Trawgdoor!

I already knew that the Wii was capable of making pretty, pretty games (Metroid Prime 3 looks better than most Xbox 1 games, especially @ this point in its life cycle).

Trawgdoor!

phalanges

If they had any business sense, they'd put their efforts into other areas; as it is, I expect to read about their demise on Kotaku in the future.

guy_jin

I like how we all say, "Get over it, it's just a game," when the media talks about violence in videogames.

But how about when we talk about graphics? Nobody says, "Come on, it's just a game. If it's fun, enjoy it. If it's not fun, leave it alone."

And as for the video itself, I didn't think it looked that great, either. But I can't help but wonder how much was lost in the video, keeping in mind what the narrator talks about. They've implemented graphic effects that Julian Eggebrecht from Factor 5 (one of the people who coined the term, "Gamecube 1.5"), had said, well over a year ago, "Why isn't anyone doing these effects? I know we talked trash on the Wii, but it's not that bad. I just don't get it." An engine implementing those graphics effects on the Wii is a huge step forward, and it's entirely possible that a crappy flash video won't do it justice.

I mean, how many low-res flash videos have been released for 360 and Ps3 games that the community invalidated because, well, "the video quality is crappy." I'm growing quite tired of the double-standard the community has for the Wii.

It's not a 360. It's not a PS3. You've had 18 months to cope with this. Are we as a community so petty that we just can't let something like this go? Are we that eager to give the mainstream media more evidence to support their argument that our emotional development is stuck in perpetual boyhood?

Come on, people. "It's just a game." Find something more important to freak out about.

BtownDesignGuy

TrekVogel

ghnvt

It's nice to see them utilize more normal mapping for the Wii. The Wii really doesn't use it much and if it does then it's hardly noticeable. The real time shadow casting is nice too. Baking shadows looks good but with shadow casting you can have so much more free range. Not only that but I'm sure that this engine could be pushed even further. It's nice to see what it can do in terms of the tech but I doubt it's been pushed to it's limit.

tripur

Daz_Genetic

Ashurahori

jasoncourt

"OMGZ! GRAFIX!!11" Ugh. Ok, rant over :)

Lemming

Any original FPS on Wii is good news. Don't even bring up Red Steel, which was a decent and fun launch title, but people just jump on the hatewagon for.

GhaleonUnlimited

russtophiles

Cactuar

I hate the 'two gamecubes' comments, but I honestly think the graphics on for the above games which include GC AND Wii titles are superb and do the job.

One day people might realise it's the quality of the artwork that make a game look good, not strictly how powerful the graphics engine is.

Again, I saw nothing there I haven't seen the same or better in Twilight Princess.

Lemming

Psychtaygar

Salen

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Nissan288

I was really impressed but count my vote with the guys here saying we need to think more about gameplay...Unreal Tournament 1 still blows me away gameplay-wise

elronathon

Of course, nothing on the Wii is going to look as good (in objective polygon counts etc) as even the weakest games on the 360/PS3, but those who point to this as a reason this engine is sub-par are missing the point. Those two consoles have the advantage that all those graphical effects are easier to wring out of their multi-core, programmable GPU hardware. We shouldn't be obsessing about hardware advances here; we're talking the clever software tricks that get the most out of any hardware, be it Wii, Xbox 360, PC, Playstation 2 or Super Nintendo, and it's those that are impressive here.

alexr

I for one hope this is fully endorsed by Nintendo. Much like the unreal engine lets companies put together something that is good looking while the devs focus on the gameplay aspects.

This is what everyone wants right? Wii games that don't look like puke and have solid if not innovative use of the Wii-mote...ya know...the selling point of the system.

majatt

However, I do wonder how well this engine will run on the Wii when you bring enemies, artificial intelligence, and physics into the picture.

ManekiNeko

TheTime

TheTime

phnord

solar_tf

Great visual engineering by the way. Some cool looking games could come out of it. But who is gonna appreciate?

KroKan

It's an engine, not a game.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii is capable of better graphics than this. It's only putting out SD resolution and is (supposedly) much more powerful than the PS2 was.

Doshu

nxp3

terrydwj

scummypants

I understood everything he said.. and my jaw was on the floor the whole damn time.

Mighty impressive.

AndrewDB

Velops

No, of course not. Why should the premise of a game or gameplay be the most important point of why a game should be published or not. It's all about how pretty it is.

Immutablyme

Having said that, this looks really good considering the limitations they had to work with.

If these visuals don't impress you then move on. This console is not for you--you filthy dirty little graphics whores, you.

Immutablyme

Sunjammer

Ashurahori

Personally, for me, the Wii NEEDS rock solid framerates to justify its lowend graphics. Any graphics that smack the framerate as low as something below 30 is not generally acceptable. I'd rather play lowtech but smooth with good art direction over hightech and slow.

Like someone else said, nice looking, but a game running on top of that would have serious problems.

Gahh i wish people would just stop trying to make the Wii resemble the 360 or PS3. Every time a Wii game is presented people complain about the graphics, no matter how hard the developers tried. Galaxy looks fucking unbelievably good both from an art pov and, for the Wii, a technical pov. Yet people will always complain about the lack of AA, the fake widescreen, yadayada.

I'm about as interested in those opinions as i am in a small obese cat's opinion of the benefits of PostNet vs OneCode. All it tells me is that some people are simply incapable of recognizing that technology doesn't make pretty.

The first time i watched the Bethesda demo of Oblivion, when they leave the dungeons and come out into the forest, i was like.. Wow.. That's fucking next gen. Sensory overload, waving trees, proper grass, beautiful music, animal life. It just bowled me over. But then i buy the game and it becomes old hat within the first few hours of free roaming. It's a relativity issue; every time the bar raises a notch, it takes us something like the blink of an eye to accept it and get on with our lives. Yet anyone who played Zelda 3 back when it came out can look back at it today and appreciate how controlled that experience was. It's not only enthralling for its time, it's still a bloody good game by any standard. In five years or so, when RPGs and technology have left Oblivion in the dust, i dare say nobody will look back at Oblivion in awe.

I love Oblivion to death by the way.

It's like the debate in experimental electronic music where artists try to outdo one another technically; more, larger, faster. But every time you outdo someone, someone else is going to outdo you, and your track, based on your current relative position, is basically lost if you don't have a fundamental quality that makes it memorable, and you simply can't measure that quality by technical standards.

We need to fucking stop being so caught up on the technical side. I hate it when endusers talk about pixel shaders, antialiasing, RAM use or content compression because it's distracting them VICIOUSLY from what really matters. Being aware of the technical terminology is almost entirely detrimental to the games debate.

I wish games were a separate problem from the technology on which they're based. Sigh. I want this game to come out and be like.. Holy shit, it plays amazingly, you need to check it out. Not a game people are waiting to see how turn out on the basis of its technology. It's set up to fail then; On the Wii there's no way in hell it can compete with the games technology it sets out to emulate.

Sunjammer

qhue

rdj

GimmeCat

_Hayko

burningranger01

Ashurahori

Benjo

@Stormrider:Hot damn, comment of the week.

Foxstar Sixtail

JRONJR

Zho

MyLittlePwny

rdj

@jcsunshine: i know, whats with that? i always thought they were like high res ps1 graphics myself

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

Yes.

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For a Tech demo, this is a little lackluster, hell remember the PS2 techdemos? LOL, they pwn this techdemo, but of course actually games didnt come close.

FAIL.

MyLittlePwny

Ashurahori

Yin

jcsunshine

boopadoo

brent_w

Keef

[www.ogre3d.org]

I've worked with Ogre from tie to time, and that tech demo is almost the sme from one of the sample files included, down to the fish, water and light running across the ceiling and walls.

Preety impressive, both of them.

Shiryu

Nexus6

Boy, that was quite a ways back wasn't it?

Black-Dog-Howls

The engine itself looks rather nice - but is it me, or do the screenshots for the game built on this engine look like complete shit? Very rarely do I see those lovely promised "real-time shadow casting" (let alone soft shadows or self-shadowing) or any diffuse reflection maps. Go look for yourself [wiimedia.ign.com]

Grinman

JoRo1986

JoRo1986

@K-Squad! (Badass Edition):
While I don't think graphics are the most important part of a game (how fun it is to play is the most important thing), that doesn't mean developers should just half-ass everything on the Wii, either. They should be able to do what the GameCube's better games did, if not exceed them.

Even though Wii cannot pull off the polycount 360 and PS3 can, it can still do a lot more effects than GameCube could.

BPMο

exstrat

Demaar

DigiMish

brent_w

MetalGearMax

Reiji

TheIrishNinja

Stormrider

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

Chrinkster

(Which will sadly never happen.)

brent_w

It also looks like the support is well done, companies should jump on this.

DigiMish

holytramp

I was very impressed.

I think the people complaining here don't realize the technical feats these folks have accomplished and are just getting hung up on the Anti-aliasing issue.

The Wii just does not have the computational power to handle anti aliasing and will always look that way when displayed in high resolutions.

However, on an SDTV these anti aliasing issues are not nearly as noticeable and I imagine this engine would look even more impressive.

brent_w

Jcnet

TheIrishNinja

DigiMish

Lyrai

jibbitz

Damn theres a lot of jaggies in that demo.

irnchriz

vln

ps i hope the "2 gamecubes duct-taped together" never dies so that GCDTT becomes a standard measurement one day now that we're tired of saying how many bits a system is.

TheIrishNinja

It's ok having these wonderful graphics, but you loose some of the qlarity of those graphics.

freemonk

(i love nintendo please don't kill me)

b1t0

Stormrider

I wonder if it has its own physics system...not that its a big deal?

Roguestriker

Balance_In_Life

kimchimonkey

deathsyth8888

Yin

Darthearl

This is seriously blowing my minds, guys. I think I might need to sit down for a second.

All sarcasm aside, we can only hope that they start licensing this technology out to other developers so maybe third parties will get a clue and start making better Wii games.

Stormrider

Ra is on That 70s Show

Banzaiaap

I drooled a lot.

OneManFreakShow

Pornosaur

Archaotic

Pornosaur