I've been researching this for some time, and I think I have come to a pretty good and for that matter accurate conclusion. If new cities are thrown into the mix, PS3 owners need not worry. The DLC content on each console will be exactly the same, with the exception of the 360 having the two additional episodic packs, which simply means more missions more likely. From what I've heard, the other DLC will most likely be additional stores(clothing, restaurants, maybe even a car mod shop) and probably cars as well. If new cities were added, that would be awesome, but Rockstar and Take Two are doing a pretty good job of keeping quiet about the whole thing.

Hope this answers some questions

rhino57123

Microsoft paid $50 million dollars for dlc. thems a lot of dollars...

i'd want something pretty substantial for that

trunbuns

freespeech

kryo

Just a thought. Personally I'm not that hyped about GTA anyway, but will probably get the 360 version before summer.

kryo

I traded in my PS3 and what little original titles I still had and paid off all my 360 and Wii reserves for 2008 and early 2009. This includes GTA IV Limited Edition. I've never regretted it the trade. People keep spitting out MGS4 to me like it's the be all and end all of videogames. But I don't agree, especially with Hideo Kojima himself being disappointed in his game.

Like how a chef should always stand by his dish, a videogame creator should stand by his game.

SpartanLoneWolf

Leftoverz

I don't play GTA, but GTA Napa Valley would be hilarious (St. Helena and Yountville gangs, lol).

Mia-Mo

im lucky enough to have all 3 consoles and i can see with clear glasses on this one, that the 360 version is the one to get

Raikkenon

Secondly, Vice City and San Andreas weren't just cities, they were...um, actual games with a cast and story lines and dialogue and cut scenes and everything. It took Rockstar almost a decade to pull IV together now they're just magically gonna pop out "expansion" packs as if they have a magic expansion pack...making...um, machine?

Rockstar wouldn't go through the effort of making another Liberty City (set in Hong Kong) just so you can tool around in it and blow shit up. If they make the inevitable Vice City it'll come with all the force and hype they've muster for GTAIV thus far because it'll be a game not just a downloadable city. Oh and plus, they've stated time and a fuggin again that the Microsoft whore money DLC will be episodic. Meaning you'll get new cutscenes and Niko will get something new to do. They said the 360 DLC would come August, that's in three months. I'm guessing it took them a bit longer than that to make GTAIV's Liberty City, right?

cheeses

the fact that anyone bought it is a laugh. but also.. depressing.

considering that the DLC is supposed to be released a few months after the game comes out, i hardly think that rockstar will have the time to create large cities to download.

at the VERY most there may be an added borough, although even that seems HIGHLY unlikely.

a much more likely idea is that there will be a co-op storyline to follow, and maybe some additional missions to flesh out the story in totally different ways from the original.

DEFINITELY not the vice city and san andreas to gta 3. LOL. thats just re-fucking-diculous.

joelface

voidler

scummypants

bialia

and this little nugget has to be the laziest piece of journalism i've ever read: "Is it true? We have no idea. I hope it is, but I just don't have enough info to confirm it. " WTF? any body could fucking print anything and follow it up with -that- disclaimer. sheesh.

why do some people think that rockstar is gonna gimp the ps3 version? that doesn't make any sense at all.

and for all you people saying "you're sold" now, for the love of god. get a hold of yourselves. they're counting on at least some of you being knee jerk retards. and after witnessing what's been said here today, i say certain people here: way to go, dream team. christ.

at any rate, DLC for ps3 will come. if it comes for fucking kane and lynch, it comes for gta iv. get REAL.

bialia

Replica23

"1. An HDD, which not every Xbox360 has. Pissing off the people with GTA4 + Arcade/Core."
many games releasing DLC. i dont see any problems at all.

"2. A fast enough pipe to download it. No way in hell is anybody going to leave their 360 on for a day or longer because they're capped at <1Mbit."
again, many games releasing DLC over 1GB. i dont see any problems at all.

"3. A hefty price tag for all the content. This raises questions like "will it be free if I wait a month? Just how exclusive is it? Is it worth the money?" and so on and on."
Shivering Isles (expansion for Oblivion, new island, 30hrs gameplay) is 2400 Points, which is around $30.

@Godluvsugly:
i dont think there is a size limit.
they are selling original xbox title on Market Place, some of them are like 5GB.

Predator-jp

I don't think it will be full cities, but the prospect of "more" gta is enough ot get me to buy it for 360 instead.

kylo4

so, this magical content only for the 360 version that MS paid $50 million for is going to be the same price as warhawk? i like warhawk. alot. but that's selling way under the board. MS knows that people are already clamoring for this and will take advantage. anyone would.

jfx316

el_rezzo

neoraul20

neoraul20

bird1988

PS3 owners will probably still get their DLC a la gamer pictures...

reptile168

Altima NEO

Honestly this has been pondered in magazines a long, long time ago. Almost everyone guessed it would be an entirely new borough, no reason why that should change now.

Maybe this article is talking about an expansion pack, not a DLC...

Soldrak

Taince

Until this is confirmed, expect a new borough, not an entire city.

PapaBear434

But no, of course you won't say that because who knows, you have a thing for bashing Microsoft almost exclusively and praising Sony in nearly every comment you make, clearly marking you out to be Kotaku's numero uno Sony man.

The bottomline is this, some people actually make enough money to not care about paying $15 for DLC. Not everyone earns minimum wage for chrissake... Stop telling people they are being screwed over, they'll make up their own fucking minds.

Soldrak

And I love the fanboy bullshit going on in here. Anyone with both a PS3 and an Xbox 360 will obviously be getting the Xbox 360 version. The DLC is not some none-issue, its a big deal even if you eventually don't get it, why the fuck would any sane person turn down the option to get it at all?

Bottomline.. people who don't have both consoles are just being lame fantards.

Soldrak

There is no fine line dividing DLC and Expansions, as they are not mutually exclusive. Oblivion is the perfect case, as its DLC ranged from ridiculous Horse Armor to the well-regarded Shivering Isles. Rockstar has seen fit to include a lot of value in the game itself. Is there any indication that they won't continue to do the same for the DLC?

kftgr

Samos42

Erwos

Let's look at the numbers to see why R* would take $50M in pure profit not to release on PSN.

1) The majority of the $400M (about 6.5M copies) will be from 360. With a very conservative guess of 360 sales, that's 3.5M on 360 and 3M on PS3. When the DLC is to drop, say the titles sell another 50%, making it 5.3M / 4.5M.

2) If DLC goes for $30 and R* gets $20 of that, then the $50M from MS would cover a potential of 2.5M PSN DLC downloads. Out of 4.5M GTA copies out at that time, 2.5M in downloads is 56%. That's quite a high goal for a $30 download.

For R*, the decision would be easy. $50M guaranteed for NOT doing extra work or do extra work and gamble that it pays off. Also remember that the longer you delay your DLC, the less it will sell, so the additional work of 2 console development gets riskier.

kftgr

Alrighty! Have fun bitching about which version's better fanboys!

I got both consoles, and honestly I'm stuck at a decision on which to get. According to early hands on the 360 version doesn't run nearly as well as the PS3 version unless you run the optional HDD install, which even then doesn't match the PS3's running ability. However, 360 gets DLC. HOWEVER, according to Kotaku, Sony claimed that their version of GTA will get some PS3 DLC as well, just different from Microsoft's.

Such a tough decision.

It's so hard being smart enough to buy all the consoles instead of bitch on the internet about which one's better >:

gravytoast

Don't be stupid.

Detha

bnpederson

rotcepsurt

JamesHolden

I have enough faith in Rockstar that I don't think they would put out an "incomplete game." This isn't EA we're talking about...yet.

Let's hope it stays that way.

kingofrain

valleyshrew

I understand guys, it's not like MS paid 50mil for the content ... oh wait

seriously guy's those are worse than speculation about MGS comming to the 360. LOL

PS. I don't think it'll be a new city.

TheHun

v00deux

Lockenator

h2dk

That CVG mag is little more than a Microsoft/Rockstar press release. If it convinces more people to buy the 360 version, mission accomplished.

I won't be buying that version because I don't own a 360. (could you tell?)

titobudd

musicgangATL

necrotoxin

silkysm00th

I was going to correct a number of misinformed posts, but after reading every comment, I'm way too exhausted.

And ashamed. And distraught. And depressed.

FP mind in rewind

2. The longer your 360 is running, no matter in what "mode", the greater the potential risk of getting a hardware fault. Now this is not open for debate, but it should be common knowledge that hardware which generally is considered running too hot (as is the case with the 360 GPU), shouldn't run like a 24/7 server.

3. Those are full blown expansions that would, and did, ship on a separate disc (excluding PSU, which is an MMORPG and is definitely not up for comparison therefore) - and I think nobody would hesitate to say that Shivering Isles is a shitload of content for the money. Now even if it's GTA 4, DLC at that price point is not an easy call.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that DLC for GTA4 is unimportant. I'm saying that the DLC better have incredibly good and lengthy content and sell for an appealing (to the mainstream) amount of money at the same time. Else it'd be a bone thrown to the hardcore fans and fanboys.

Candlejack

TalAarahk

I wouldn't consider myself a "hard core 360 gamer" (I have all 3 systems that share gaming time)either, so I am sure that there are plenty of people who have the 360 only and are hardcore gamers that have probably run out of space a long time ago.

A HDD for the 360 in by no means an "accessory", unless you also think that a left leg, or a right ventricle are accessories for people. You can gimp through life with replacement parts like a kewl robotic leg or one of those spiffy artificial hearts like in that comercial in the movie Robocop, or in the 360's case, buy a memory card. The fact remains that since you need the above mentioned items in order to function normaly in society then the "accessory" argument looks rather silly.

As far as the "getting ripped off" part of your statement goes you couldn't be more right, especialy in the case of the 360.

I can't believe they are still charging $179 for a 120gb hdd. I can go buy a 250gb laptop drive (that's all the 360 drive is when you crack open the casing) for $99. They are also still charging $99 for that WiFi adapter of thier's.... str8 up robbery!

Mr.SithNinja

rotcepsurt

Makidian

I'd say a solid $30, as there's a precedent set with other games' expansions. Hopefully they won't look at the success of $40 price point for less than a quarter of a game and follow that.

Anyway, it's silly how much arguing is going on. In the end, none of the game companies are your friends; they're in it to make money.

kftgr

2) You can turn off the console and it will continue to download in a low-power state.

3) Oblivion's Shivering Isle content was $30. As was Phantasy Star Universe's expansion.

kftgr

kawalin

dubz

devilhunterx

Have fun, people. Maybe Rockstar will be nice and announce the DLC the PS3 version is getting at some point.

Archaotic

mikeymatrix

I Spit On Your Comments

SouthernerCalifornian

I Spit On Your Comments

Yea, let's all just take the shit that companies give us. $5 bucks for horse armour? Bought! $10 for the next game patch? Bought! $15 for virtual ammo in my virtual weapon? Bought!

I see what you mean in some way, but you're just blatantly letting companies screw you over. If you don't question, sometimes, whether what you are buying is really worth the amount of money you are paying, then I think the consumer truly has lost all say in this market.

What if Microsoft offered DLC that contains one new side mission in GTA4 and sold it for $15? Would you buy it, just because MS says "that's the price of our service, dude"? I'm speaking hypothetically here using MS and GTA4 just as examples, so don't give me any crap for that please.

Candlejack

HanSolomente

I wouldn't mind at all paying $30 for an "expansion pack" DLC.

valhum

BTW, glad to have you here posting. i'm sure you'll be here posting for a long time since you just joined this month since all i've read from you is "GT5:P is a demo" and "saint's row 2 looks better than GTA4"

jfx316

Papa Midnight

The good news for PS3 owners (like myself) is that we'll have other games to divert some of our attention with MGS4 and MGO and Haze in couple more months.

While having whole cities to explore I think it's great but is this content available now? How much longer will 360 owners have to wait? Even if this was coming to the PS3 I'd be wondering. Then again, maybe all the extra time they took creating the game will prove that they've been REALLY busy with not only the game but the DLC.

Good for you 360 owners. Gotta give credit where credit is due and this is definitely a big jab to PS3 owners. Having said that I still say the PS3 has the best line-up of 2008 (save for the very expected nuclear explosion Wii Fit will have on the market).

incredibilistic

I wonder if they'll be revealing any specifics about the DLC. That's the key. All you need to do is say it's "x" and if it's as spectacular as some speculate, they win.

But no one in the right mind should expect a VC or SA equivalent.

VicViper

Stop think you are getting fucked over, that is a childish way of thinking. Every company charges money for their services, it may seem to you that it'll be too much but not to everyone.

Also, considering that this is a dawn of a new age, you think it is written in stone that everyone knows exactly how much DLC should be? Please.

I Spit On Your Comments

otarumx

PrivateJ0ker

atleast i'm talking about the subject and not just bashing other peoples posts!

Godluvsugly

TheTime

so, aside from avoiding the question i asked, what does that have to do with anything? my point was MS will make up for money paid in some way, and that way is usually the consumer coming out of pocket. and usually, it's not really that fair for what you're getting, in my opinion. paying for themes and wallpaper sucks. sorry, if that the "wrong" opinion, but it does.

AND let me get out of the way that gaming companies IN GENERAL screw over people. yes, sony with the dualshock 3s being so god damn expensive. (not for me, got mine for $39 from play-asia) nintendo with the memory expansion for the N64. yeah, it was a while ago, but if i hadn't gotten perfect dark, that would have pissed me off. it's not a MS only deal, but MS DOES fuck people over. maybe alittle more then others.....

jfx316

Tetley

FinalFrog

If you pushing 20 GB then you STILL have 100 GB to go.

That is the issue I have with the people that keep saying "oh noes, the XBox 360 lacks a HDD" as they convenient never mention the fact the Xbox 360 CAN have a HDD since its a accessory.

The only difference is you HAVE to buy the Microsoft Xbox 360 HDD since none other should work, you are getting ripped off by the price but that is hardly new in the console world.

Drakron

So im just happy i have both systems, ha ha.

Nate00

Also, who's to say its a new city anyway? For all we know, it could just be an expansion of liberty city (Like a certain borough Rockstar thought was boring?)

Anyway, we shouldn't even worry about DLC until its released. We've already got a whole city at our disposal come the 29th. Needy bastards.

Sigma-D

I Spit On Your Comments

wait...

that would be a lot of fun posts on very blog!!!

Do it MS! XD

@Darth Navster:
shivering island was not DLC....

symphony_of_the_night

Wenzel

Ulquiorra Schiffer

Zeliard

my point was purely from the outside looking in since whatever the DLC is going to be. MS is going to want that $50 mill back at some point. game sales aren't going to do it alone, my friend.

how much do you think it's going to cost? not how much it should be or how much you want it to be. how much do you think it will cost?

jfx316

Jomo7

Jomo7

I hate companies that have totally abandoned us regular folks for online gamers only.

Chilly Hollow

Yea, I'm sure us ps3 people will get totally screwed with our better framerate and more graphical stability.

LOL See all games that came out for both systems...Framerate fails on PS3 versions...

Anyway I think it would be great idea...Hopefully it doesn't take away from the enjoyment of the actual game to PS3 owners...

Elemence

crusadernm

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Benzak

Benzak

All these naysayers that say the DLC will be a new car or so are not giving Rockstar due credit. This is a company that respects consumers and when they say DLC is significant, I believe them. If EA had said the same thing, I'd have the opposite reaction.

Snuffbox

I have had my Elite only since Halo 3 launched and I am already pushing the 20GB mark and havn't even gotten the Legendary Map pack yet.

Why do you think that M$ put a cap on the size of XBLA games? Why do you think that they havn't released more "XBox Originals" than they have? Between, the XBLA, the Originals, the TV episodes, music for custom sound tracks, and games like GTA4 having large DLC files AND in game downloadable music options, a 120GB hdd is hardly going to be enough to sustain the 360 it's entire life cycle, let alone a measley 20gb.

Mark my words....With in the next year, M$ will be forced to release another HDD. Probably a 200gb that they will charge at least $199 for.

Mr.SithNinja

zanzibarlegend

i'm figuring that you're "owning" me by pointing out a large pricing for questionable content on the PS3. um...sure.

see, this is why i don't post more meaningful stuff on here. hardly anyone cares. it's all "GT5:P is a $40 demo" maybe all gamers are stupid.....

i can't wait to start my podcast....

jfx316

rocklee111

mbeck

I agree - swing the hammer!

Meldy

Walker

jp182

crusadernm

Zeliard

Orionsaint

Orionsaint

it starts this weeked:

[www.videogamer.com]

musicgangATL

rdj

Why does anyone believe that you'll be getting another game, on the equivalent scale of VC or SA when M$ paid 50 million for it?

It makes no sense for R* to release anything that elaborate, exclusively for 360 DLC, for only 50 million, when they make 5 or 6 times that easily by releasing on the shelves for both systems.

The article is bullshit. If this DLC was anything that amazing, you'd think M$ would release some concrete info to further steer sales toward the 360 and hurt Sony.

That was the point in the first place wasn't it?

Get some brains people.

On top of everything else, how is everyone supposed to fit an entire game like VC or SA on their puny 20 GB HDD's (with 12 GB available for saves) and have room for anything else?

VicViper

crusadernm

musicgangATL

okor

Sparth

PrivateJ0ker

And since I'm going to guess these supposed new cities aren't going to come for free, the only people getting screwed are...well...everybody.

TRT-X

Zeliard

yea man 50 million dollars son...yall shoulda seen it coming...dont act suprised.

musicgangATL

I Spit On Your Comments

Because the big question will be "What can I do in this city?"

TRT-X

It's your call but personally, I never dared to do it (the download while the 360 is in seemingly "off" state, although it actually was still running). That doesn't change the fact that the download will take up some time, that people without high download speeds will suffer, from either potential bricking or having to leave the console powered on when leaving the house for work, and so on. It's just not reasonable to offer DLC that big.

I mentioned that I don't know whether it really will be that big, but since we are discussing what the DLC could potentially be anyway, why is this so far fetched?

Candlejack

jfx316

First review out the door stated that the textures, view distance and stuff ons creen was better on the PS3 version, although both versions are for the most part only the same. PS3 also has better loading times. I'm not a fanboy, I actually like my 360 more than my PS3. Even the developers early on stated that the 360's hardware limitations held back GTAIV. Shame it wasn't a PS3 exclusive. :p

PrivateJ0ker

When all you give is rampant speculation with nothing to back it up..what else is there to comment on except the person doing the commenting? Your posts are lousy with "I think" and "I bet".

There's no substance.

"...as for GTAV we all know it's comming!"

Yeah...let's speculate more.

"...P.S. Enders game was a great book!
"

I know.

:)

EndersGame

sweenyJ

your right i can't see the future or through walls but i didn't post the rumor i just made educated guesses based on past experience.

no rockstar isn't still working on the game it's already been submitted for printing and will probably go gold in a couple of days (if it hasn't already) but i bet they were still doing some work on it in march, so sorry 7 and 13 months instead of 6 and 12. either way that's a very short amount of time to do all the work that is involved in developing a game.

as for GTAV we all know it's comming!

P.S. Enders game was a great book!

Godluvsugly

no you dont have to leave your console on to download the file.

(who said this is going to be a big file?) golly people that have broadband (pretty much every family in the city now), know it doesnt take a long time to download stuff.

the 360 can go into power saving mode that can basically download files with minimal components running.

so lets put the RROD jokes aside?

ok? its managable and belive me i should have a RROD with as much hours i spend a day playing it, but its still trucking on.

Dakobah

This is why I think they don't actually themselves know *what* the content is, but rather how much content they're looking at (which is perhaps how they got to the 10+ hour figure). If Microsoft knew they had exclusivity to a new GTA4 city as DLC this August, wouldn't they be screaming that at the top of their lungs? Especially when it's so close to release?

I hope the truth comes out soon, either way.

Zeliard

secondly, before (some) of you fanboys start going apeshit, wait for confirmation about the dlc information first. that way you don't look like fools later.

thirdly,
both versions of grand theft auto 4 are complete. its not like rockstar said if you dont play th dlc you are not getting the full experience.

END RANT//

zanzibarlegend

dgkz0idberg

this is, in no way for sure, going to happen, so everyone is jumping the gun. the likelihood of a whole new city, complete with hidden packages, missions, achievements and new geography is very unlikely. the fact that it's suppose to come out this fall makes this seem even more unlikely.

but, let's say that it is true.......360 owners will get brutally raped on price.

seeing that mircosoft has final say in the pricing of their online products and they paid $50 million for the exclusive content AND 360s aren't flying off the shelfs like they used to, (mostly because 360s are at critical mass and seemingly everyone that wants one, likely has one already) leads me to believe that the pricing for said UNconfirmed DLC will be alot more then any DLC will have to that point. now i know that 360 owners can't help but dance around, flaunting the fact that the "greatest gaming system in the world" has again 1uped the PS3. but you know, in your heart of hearts, that the same people will be calling for rockstar's and mircosoft's heads when the content turns up being $60. or $70. or $85. i can see it. MS will just say that the exclusive content has THAT much to do that the price reflects the amount of fun to be had.

and, again, i have to put out there that there is no way that rockstar is going to leave sony out in the cold. you can bring up the history between the two companies and all that, but it boils down to money. rockstar, and the people that own rockstar (take two) aren't going to turn down money. especially when TT needs GTA4 to turn a huge profit to stave off the looming EA death star, billowing "you can't make it without us" TT is going to take all the money they can get. even if rockstar wanted to make DLC only of 360, TT would likely put pressure on them not to.

that's my opinion. fell free to call me a sony fanboy or whatever.

jfx316

El Patricko

Incomplete game? Additional cities does nothing to change the main plot of the story. PS3 owners have to worry about juggling between GTA IV, Haze and MGS4 released within a few weeks of each other.

flashtut

Nothing really stays exclusive forever. So please, calm down PS3 naysayers.

(disclosure: I own all 3 systems, if it helps make my point reasonable)

Sith_Librarian

Though the prospect of a whole new city to download is definitely an exciting one, it's far too early for anyone to run out into the street and start willy-waving. This rumour is based on the assumptions of a single writer at CVG, it hasn't been confirmed or denied so for the time being it's to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I have no idea how much space a new city would require on a hard disk, but the only reason I find it hard to comprehend is because it's something that has never been done before. There's a first time for everything, and if things work out in accordance with this article then we should think ourselves lucky, because although PS3 owners may miss out on this one piece of DLC, it's sure to herald a new era of console gaming for future titles.

So don't start packing up your consoles to trade in just yet.

Cat-Duck

But you're perfectly comfortable with coming up with a price for DLC out of thin air. Complaining about the imaginary price and then commenting on the quality of DLC that hasn't even been released?

Your ability to see into the future is awesome.

"...i said in my previous post i don't see this even happening in the first place as development time is an issue! and if it is true then most likely short dev time will equal out to something vomited out so that M$ doesn't freak out for spending 50 million dollars for these two DLC packs."

You have access to Rockstar's development teams and are able to speak to how busy they are? Do you understand how game development works?

Do you actually believe the dev team at Rockstar is still furiously clanking and banging away on game code right up to when it ships on April 28th?

So not only can you see into the future but you can see through walls and look inside buildings to see what people are doing.

"...if you feel that two new (probably smaller, most likely rushed) cities are a value at $35 on up then go ahead and buy them. but i think if it's the case you will probably be in the minority. and like i said i'll just wait for GTAV. "

You should get a blog. Clearly you have your finger on the pulse of the people.

...and you're already talking about GTA V.

Truly...just because you CAN make a post, doesn't mean you should. I understand it's nice to have opinions on things but you're in over your head here.

EndersGame

Either way, the fanboy-ism in this thread is giving me a massive headache.

lionkitten

cdammers

CVG is the worst source of any kind of news. Seriously if anyone believe one word to come out of CVG, then you deserve the dissapointment to come.

Kyle81

Gagamus

2. Of course it isn't new for PCs, but it's far from standard for consoles. And I suppose you didn't really forget about the dreaded RROD? You do know that leaving your console running, no matter which one it is, for a period of time that long, has you running the risk of overheating and/or damaging it permanently.

3. I said that hardcore fans will no doubt buy it. But the mainstream will think twice about shelling out the 30 something bucks for exclusive content and they will have to make up their mind. As Pachter said, most people don't even complete GTA4. Do they really want even more content on top that they never finish and pay that kinda money for it? For $5, sure, the whole world would buy it. Starting $15, people will be less easy on it. Going $20 and upwards, it's a tough thing to market to customers.

@TheAbsoluteJay: You can stop spreading hate now, we on Kotaku normally don't favour a console, or at least pretend not to, so if somebody thinks the HDD should be standard in the 360, he is definitely allowed to do so and state this as long as it is on topic.

Candlejack

The cancer that would kill kotaku.

I'm on the fence about this one. Sure it's a whole city, but it's going to cost a whole city's worth of money as well. Besides, after I finish the complete game I'll be done with this and ready to move on to something new.

Jomo7

Deft_One

MerlynNY

Don't confuse "ill will" with "business".

Most likely Rockstar would have provided DLC for whomever it was that tossed up enough cash.

SONY didn't want to pay for the exclusivity rights for GTA IV. Most likely because the coffers were bare after paying for exclusivity for Metal Gear 4 and Final Fantasy XIII.

Rockstar isn't like the fanboys here. They're not blindly loyal. They just want to make a great game and make a ridiculous amount of money.

Looks like both of those things are going to happen.

EndersGame

elint6

mister_shhh

phantam

tehFluffz