<![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @rawg: Just for the record. The annual attach rate for the 360 is 4.7 vs. 4.6 for the PS3 and 3.7 for the Wii.

[www.nytimes.com]

rawg

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Murmaider: And I personally find it funny that someone could in one breath say "fanboys suck" then in the next breath say the "PS3 is vastly superior" to the 360. Is it the fingers pointing at yourself in the mirror kinda thing. Hilarity ensues.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami: I would guess because it plays Bluray. I bought one mostly because I wanted to test Bluray movies on my brand new large-screen HDTV, though I was aware I would eventually like it for the games as well.

The other reason would be the potential of upcoming games. This would include (but not limited to) Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Metal Gear Solid, White Knight Chronicles.

You people simply need to think harder if you can't think of a reason why some people may think PS3 is superior to 360. I fear fanboyism is blinding the lot of you.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @ohhello: Yeah, you're laughing at me in the same way unemployed losers on the sidewalks point and laugh at busy, employed people who don't give a shit. You're poor and can't afford all three consoles, are a hilarious fantard and you laugh at people who aren't. I totally get it, you win a medal for fantardism, congratulations.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Murmaider:

Seriously, the only thing I can seem to think that the PS3 is superior to the 360 is the included trojan blue-ray. Otherwise, games tell me that the 360 has better load, better graphics, better framerate, better anything.

reptile168

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Actually from all the numbers available to the public I can find, not only 360 sales in europe haven't doubled, but they haven't moved one bit, and are still VASTLY inferior to the PS3. And this for all the weeks after the price slice.

Abriael

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Murmaider:

What EXACTLY is vastly superior about the PS3, aside from no RRoD? Please be specific.

Adding both of my 360's together, I have over 4 years of 360 ownership. I have had one RRoD. That was on my launch box. It had worked flawlessly for almost two years when I had it in an open airy spot. Then when I got my Elite, I moved my launch box to my bedroom and put it inside an entertainment armoire. It ringed out the second time I used it there. Cause and effect was not hard to see there. I sent my launch unit in and XBox send me back a brand new unit with the falcon chipset. I did NOT put that one back into the same location where it overheated in the first place, and it has been fine ever since. That may be purely anecdotal, but you will find MANY similar anecdotes throughout the web.

I don't however think ANYONE can deny that the vast majority of 360's being sold are for gaming; and there ARE indeed and inarguably, a number of PS3's being sold strictly for their blu-ray function. What exactly that percentage is, we'll probably never know.

robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I find it amazing folks can still find it in their hearts to hate on Sony for the sake of hating on Sony.

Everyone needs a hobby, I guess.

Murmaider

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49: Amen. Fanboys of all stripes suck.
@robinandtami: Speaking as someone who *had* all three consoles, I say that the PS3 is vastly superior (and the Wii is truly in a league of its own). After my 360 RRoD'ed for the third time, I got it repaired then promptly gifted the refurb to my sister and her fiancee. They're enjoying it a lot more than I ever did.

Murmaider

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49: exactly

@Grave of the Fireflies @photoboy @VampireHunterZ:
Attach rates are generally higher on consoles that have been available longer because of the way they are calculated so you need to take that into account when comparing them.

attach rate = (total software units) / (total hardware units)

Let's take for example a typical gamer who buys both consoles at launch and 4 games a year for each console.

year 1
360 attach rate: 4
PS3 attach rate: N/A

year 2 - PS3 launch
360 attach rate: 8
PS3 attach rate: 4

year 3
360 attach rate: 12
PS3 attach rate: 8

Another interesting thing about the way that attach rates are calculated is that if new hardware sales slow down but software sales stay the same, attach rates will go up. This is because HW units are in the denominator.

rawg

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> About attach rates, attach rates are a statistical fraud. Notice what the press release actually says.

"Xbox 360 continues to enjoy the highest software attach rate of any game console in Europe with more than 7.0 games sold per console (PS3: 3.8; Wii 3.5) after 27 months on the market."

Xbox360 attach rate of 7.0 games in Europe after 27 months.

PS3 attach rate of 3.8 games in Europe after 12 months. (PS3 only just hit its first birthday in Europe.)

Which attach rate is REALLY better? Do the math on a per month basis.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Yes, the line about Xbox fails only when not properly ventilated is old fanboy disinformation. Xboxes fail. Period. They are designed to fail. That sounds incredible, but think about it. It's true. The flaw is in the design, and, according to a former employee, Microsoft knew about it but went with it anyway so they wouldn't lose their headstart over Sony and Nintendo.

Robinandtami: I did not say 360 only had FPS games. I said that's its strength and it is very top heavy on FPS games. Name me the 360's big guns. They are Halo 3, Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect...FPS, FPS, FPS, and amazingly an FPS RPG. People knowingly and willingly buy the 360 for FPS, and Microsoft is catering to that demographic. I know some other girl gamers. I bet you are part of the Halo3/Gears of War crowd of girls. You prefer your 360 because of FPS. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not kid ourselves about it. My friends and I are very close. Just because I borrow their systems rather than own them doesn't make my opinion any less informed than yours. If you pushed me about it, I think my opinion is less biased than yours because I haven't had to make any large financial commitments to anything and aren't wrapped up in dissonance because of it.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> If a console's hardware-suitability for a game is taken-out, you can just judge which platform to develop for by just calculating units_shipped*attach_rate. Simple.

It pains me as a PS fanboy, but Sony is doing ridiculous things and delays with their software. Foremost, they apparently haven't even thought of leaving a backdoor-API for sending command/notification-messages to games. Something like Win32's WM_, but in the form of a polled FIFO, or even just one-element "FIFO". They've had all of the necessary but complex functions already implemented for ages inside the PS3 OS! And it's freaking simple to add in-game messaging and whatever - they just have to call existing functions, and schedule threads that call other existing functions. Well, a bit more than that, but any decent programmer with 5+ years of experience should have been able to make+polish it for a week.
... unless Sony made some horrendous design errors of the OS. Which would be easily patched with just one firmware-update (and a few added requirements+docs for developers).
Sony has realized those errors, but yet again makes a horrible decision - ship the whole new API/functionality only when Home is complete. And Home takes years to make.... thus gives xbots a righteous reason to mock PS3+PSN; and loses customers (gamers). I stand firm that everything XBL has, PS3 could have had since many months ago, by one firmware-update and just asking/advising gamedevs to make a patch (such a patch is simple! Unless you've done terrible things in your code, that is). 3rd parties won't feel obliged - they'll just decide if this minimal effort will make their game more attractive.
Anyway, Sony seems to have let gamedevs do everything their own way, which has led to this currently-limited networking. It'll start to change with Home in one big bang, but incremental improvements would have been much nicer to everyone.

@Elemence: You're under an NDA, but could you hint whether I'm correct in my assumptions?

@robinandtami: Judging by # of game-copies sold, I'd say only 60% of all PS3 owners are gamers.

@robinandtami: while you state facts, don't accent on YOUR preferences being everyone's preferences. While some feature is vital to YOU, it doesn't automatically mean it's vital or even noticeable to anyone else.
256MB RAM limit was the cost to pay for having the best RAM. 256MB VRAM is for cost-saving. A not-so-awesome RSX is not a problem, as diligent developers already showed.
x360 fails only if not properly ventilated? A horde of gamers would beg to differ.
Sony has bad service? You mean that one time when a user had poured a kilo of dust inside? How about all those reported cases when MS treated users as scum, with the 3-4 exceptions when things were elevated after months of humiliation. Or the ongoing DRM extortion? Like flies, stuck on a swatter, when there's even a known date on which the swatter will hit a wall.

Choose which console to like most, but don't bash the others. People don't have the same preferences and demands. And the 3 consoles have their strengths and hyper-weaknesses. Depending on one's preferences, some hyper-weaknesses are non-problem for one. "Choose your own poison".
[end]

somarix

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami: Again anecdotal and not sustained, where are you getting the attach rate numbers because the ones online (With their degree of inaccuracy) show that while the 360 leads (After all it targets a hardcore audience) it's not as spectacular as say the PS2 was, and the 360 has been on the market longer than the PS3 so it's logical its attach rate should be higher.

But those same attach rates are proving that people are not buying the PS3 solely as a blu-ray player.

I'm trying to figure out what are you getting at here your next post to jsf49 is actually balanced and logical... again, if you feel the 360 is rocking your world, rock on! There's no shame in liking your purchase and no one will make you enjoy it any less, that doesn't actually make it a world rocking device by virtue of you believing it.

zoesch

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami:

... actually, the 256 megs of VRAM isn't a bottleneck, since its apparently quite easy to use the 256 megs of system ram for the same purpose, so you're mistaken. (This is something they discovered oooh I dunno, back when Heavenly Sword was in development).

You also act as though 360 hasn't had its share of FUBAR'ed updates. I remember a fiasco involving an update bricking newer consoles last year.

And once more, the big glaring flaw of the 360 is glossed over. The design of the 360 is fundamentally flawed. No amount of "proper care" or the like changes that. When people, "in the industry" who take care of their products, have all their consoles multiple times to RRoD, there's something wrong. Its MS's fault for designing it so poorly, and its the apologetic 360 fans who let MS get off the hook for it.

SnakeCL

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami: And now I'm laughing at you.

(jeez you guys need to calm down a bit)

ohhello

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49:

If you want flipsides, I like how I can download custom themes for my PS3. It's also a nice blu-ray player, however the lack of IR support is a big oversight for anyone like myself who likes to use a universal remote. I suppose the ability to install Linux could be considered a plus, but Linux is a fairly oscure and difficult OS and there are many stories of people who have bricked their PS3 by trying to install and use a complicated OS that they aren't familiar with. As for the included wi-fi, again some people might consider that a plus; but most people who are into competitive online play don't use wi-fi. I would have much preferred that the PS3 include cables with their system. Fortunately, being the techno junkie I am, I have tons of spare cables; but for other people their choices for hooking up their PS3 when they got it home were to use the included standard def cable, go to a brick and mortar store and buy a wildly overpriced HDMI cable (many brick and mortar stores only offer Monster type cables which cost as much as a wi-fi adaptor,) or wait a few days to see the hi-def capabilities while they ordered a reasonably priced HDMI cable online. Saying that the 360 only has FPS games is exactly the same as saying the PS3 has no games. They are both wrong. There are plenty of RPG, RTS, sports, racing, platformers and arcade games on the 360. FPS is a very strong genre, because obviously game sales support it.

I know that people who only have one of the consoles WANT to think there's is the best, but people who have invested money in all three consoles really have nothing to gain by trying to hold on to preconceived notions of which one is "best." When you own all three, you just know which one you enjoy most and get the most use out of.

robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @zoesch:
But what you can't provide is how many PS3's are sold primarily as Blu-Ray players instead of game consoles. I would say that there are some 360's that are sold primarily as Media Center extenders, but would then also venture to guess that number would not come anywhere close to the number of PS3's that have been bought by non-gamers just to act as a Blu-ray player. Poor attach rates for the PS3 would hint that number could be quite high.


robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @DARTH_TIGRIS: There are actual sales data available for specific region, but the data doesn't come out every week or month. Often territories give out numbers in different sources for fiscal years or full annual sales.

On Neogaf they usually have threads collecting actual numerical data when it can be found.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Would be great to see actual numbers. SONY couple months ago claimed across Europe they were outselling 360 by 3 to 1, so even with doubled sales the 360 would be trailing across Europe if true, but who knows.

Also MS announcement is NOT just Europe. If you read the announcement, it included the Middle East AND Africa

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> No surprise here. I'm also not surprised they don't have hard numbers. Why?

To be honest, hard sales numbers for consoles and games DON'T EXIST. From everything that I've read, they are based on SAMPLES and from those samples statiticians and what not come up with a reasonable guess as to what actual sales are. That's how NPD, VGChartz and the Nielsens work.

The only thing we could know that would be sort of accurate are the number of games or consoles that were shipped to retail. Unless every retailer in every region contributes there individual sales numbers for consoles and games, this is what we're stuck with.

DARTH_TIGRIS

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Nah I don't play PC games, I don't like to have to update my hardware everytime a new game comes out. Plus the company I work for makes 99% console games and like 1% PC games.

Sony just doesn't have the community aspect and design that XBL does...Which is something I'm hoping HOME can change. Their Online userface system lacks functionality and quality...

Elemence

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49:

I don't play PC games im talking about console games since the company I work for makes 99% Console games an like 1% PC games...

I guess I like the community aspect of XBL...It's something I wish Sony would pull their head out of their ass and realize that Online is where it is at. Their interface functionality lacks quality and user friendliness in that dept.

Elemence

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> You don't know that many what? PC gamers? There are more PC gamers than gamers for any console. How is Sony's online not online? You're playing your games against someone else online in a few button presses. Is online gaming on a PC any less online gaming because it doesn't have a lot of fluff either?

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49:

"That also detracts from the 360 as first choice for many."

I guess I don't know that many...Considering I work with nothing but actual gamers...

I would hardly call Sony's online an online...I would pay Sony 50$ bucks a month if they had a decent online at all...

These are just my opinions tho...I mean It's a great System the PS3 but Sony could do better, way better...An I hope they do, that's why I'm really excited for HOME...I believe it's gonna do great to build a community al a XBOX Live...Let's just hope they integrate some of the functionality into the game so you don't have to exit your game just to do things...

Elemence

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Of course those things are true, but so the criticisms PS3 fanboys have about the 360 are true as well. Their validity or lack thereof is not my point. My point is that you say you aren't a fangirl but offer a typical fanboy post without mentioning the flipsides. Again, it's not balanced to be seen as a true non-fanboy posting. I personally have played all three systems. Unless you like FPS, the 360 would not be my first choice. It excels at FPS, but, once you deviate from that, the limitations of its library in terms of really good games starts becoming glaring as does the layout of its controller for non-FPS use. Xbox Live feels like a more robust experience for now, but the tradeoff is that people also have to pay for that experience. In the end, both PSN and Xbox Live get you to your destination, which is playing the games online against others. Whether anyone wants to pay the extra money for the Xbox Live interface to get there versus the more spartan but free PSN is up to them. For FPS lovers, the PS3 is not as strong a system. For more general gamers though, it has better appeal. It also has Blu-Ray and wireless included for only $50 more, plus the online is free, as I said. I won't go into the Wii, but it too has its pluses and minuses. I personally find myself too FPS'ed out (they all start feeling roughly the same), so, even though I have played all three systems and can do so whenever I want (because we own everything within my group of close friends), I prefer the PS3. There is, of course, a 4th system to contend with, which is the PC. All the good 360 games also end up on the PC but in improved versions plus with mod-support, mouse support and free online. That also detracts from the 360 as first choice for many.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @zoesch:

I was just arguing for the sake of people bashing her for her opinion. I can care less who wins or who has what exclusive games cause in the end I will be playing MGS4 and GoW2 or whatever it may be.

I mean she has many valid points. I wont even go on about which system Dev's hate and which system QA hates in our Dept. cause people I'm sure know the answer already but like I said I'm happy I purchased the Wii (Nostalgic pursposes), the PS3 (MGS4, FF Series, BluRay) and the 360 (Games, Media, Online)...

Elemence

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Oh and I thought I'd chime in as an owner of all three as well: PS3 is dusty, waaaaaaaaaaay dusty, I can't even remember the last time I played it, only that it was for some demo of a game to compare how it ran vs. my 360. The Wii is even more dusty, I swear I haven't touched it in months and months, since MarGal came out, I just can't get into the Wii and it's games. I do play the crap out of my 360 though, because everyone I know has one. I don't acctually know anyone outside the internet who owns a PS3 other than myself. All that play time took it's toll however and I'm on my 4th system, however they have all been replaced for free, and I don't play arcade games so I haven't hit the DRM issue. All three consols take a back seat to my PC though, because none of them can even begin to touch my PC in power and graphics.

DevCo

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami: I think you need to balance the weight of opinions vs. facts.

You are passing your opinion (Valid, I don't agree with it 100%) as a fact and that's where I have an issue with your line of thought.

@Elemence: I can provide anecdotal evidence that proves that the Chintendo Vii is winning this generation... all that matters really is the sales trends, and those have been indicating pretty much that the PS3 is gaining, the 360 is holding up and the Wii is running away, in the end they're pieces of plastic filled with PCB's and silicon, not enough to warrant so many chest thumping comments about who's the best.

zoesch

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> That's a pretty huge fucking earthquake coming from Poland.

DevCo

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami:

I work in the industry and I agree with what robinandtami stated. I have all three systems and find my 360 to be the one I play most because everyone in my department (which is a video game company of course) has a 360 and maybe the 4 out of the 60+ have a PS3...besides the ones at our desks...

Elemence

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @jsf49:

Again, I own all three systems. I have been able to evaluate all three in my home, side by side. I use them all, but I find my 360 to be the most fun and the most useful. If that makes me a fangirl, then so be it. Of course I must be one of the worst fangirls ever by patronizing the competition.

robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I just remembered that Gran Turismo: Prologue is out and that Europeans just love their Gran Turismo. That could explain why the PS3 continues to outsell 360 in Europe despite the 360 pricecut and why Microsoft is on damage control with this sidetalking press release.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @zoesch: My arguement is not flawed. My point was that ohhello, who was clearly speaking from the stance of a PS3 fanboi, has no room to laugh at any other class of fanboi. A point which you clearly just reiterated.

@jsf49: While they may sound fanboyish, they are also true differences between the two systems.

robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Her argument is flawed because it is not balanced. The PS3 is not perfect, but neither are the Wii or 360. She claims not to be a fangirl, but her post is a fangirl post. If it looks like a dog, sounds like a dog, smells like a dog, acts like a dog, etc., it's most likely a dog.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @robinandtami: Yet nothing you mention has anything to do with the hardware, your argument is flawed. I don't think at the moment any of the current gen systems is doing 100% well, be it because the software is catching up (Sony), the hardware is unreliable (Microsoft) or the system is underpowered (Nintendo)... if you go into the online argument things get equally grim for all three.

At the moment there's no clear leader except for the Wii (And only when it comes to sales), but no console has actually sparked the same kind of technology shift the SNES or PlayStation did.

zoesch

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Sorry to interrupt. You're not a fangirl, as you say, but incidentally those are all the fanboy arguments.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]>

[www.smh.com.au]

In Australia, where the 360 had a healthy lead and healthy sales it seems that the trend has reversed and it's now last on weekly sales with the Wii overtaking it already.

zoesch

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @ohhello:

I'm not a fangirl. I own all three systems, but if I had to choose a class of fanbois to laugh at; it would definitely be the PS3 fanbois. There are so many flaws with my supposedly superior PS3, it's rediculous.

The PS3 MAY have superior hardware, and that is a really big MAY because the cap of 256 meg of memory for graphics will ALWAYS be the bottleneck point on the PS3 (what good does it do to have a larger disc size that can store larger graphic files if your system doesn't have enough graphic memory to use them;) but the 360 definitely has superior software. Seriously, you can't even send a game invite from INSIDE THE GAME on the PS3. How much sense does it make to have to exit back to the XMB to send game invites and friend requests? That's completely assinine. Sony should be BUSTING THEIR ASSES to make the XMB available in-game, but instead they are working on some Second Life wannabe.

Every other update that Sony releases on the PS3 breaks something, like 2.20 broke MPEG4 streaming.

The browser crashes frequently; hard crashes where you have to power off the machine.

PS3 has failed to require a unified standard for all their multiplayer games. Some games have no chat at all. Most games do not allow the ability to mute just a single player; you have to mute all chat just to avoid hearing that one obnoxious kid. A lot of games do not show the gamertag of the person speaking so you have no clue who is saying what, so even if you could mute just one person; you wouldn't know who to mute.

When it comes to media streaming, my 360 comes out on top there as well. The 360 does everything the PS3 does PLUS it's a Media Center extender right out of the box. This means I can be watching live tv on my 360, get a game invite from a friend, hit the record button on my remote, jump into the game with my friend, and then go right back to my tv show where it left off when I am done playing games. And of course, I can listen to my own music in any and every game.

The ONLY answer PS3 fanbois have to all of the superior features of the 360 is "ZOMG.... RRoD... PS3 PWNZ!" There are hardware issues with the 360 IF it is not ventilated properly, but MS has handled that with total class by extending the warranty to three years. OTOH hand, when a PS3 fails, Sony blames the owner and charges them for repairs.

So basically, I laugh at you for thinking you have any room to laugh.

robinandtami

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> VGChartz still has 360 coming in last in PAL territories. 360 made a push the first two weeks of the price cut, but didn't really do anything relative to its competition. Seems all the consoles had decent sales recently, possibly because we are out of the post-Holiday doldrums.

jsf49

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Soldrak: Now I'm just laughing at you.

ohhello

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @ohhello: He isn't a fanboy that's why he's laughing at you, because you are one. What about that is so hard to understand?

Fanboys.. a new kind of stupid.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @El-Suave:
Apparently you don't know how attach rates work. It's actually more impressive to have a high attach rate with more consoles out. In theory the more consoles they sold the lower their attach rate should be.

It's easy to sell a game to 50% of the user base if there are only 2 million consoles out there. Now imagine if the PS2 could sell a single game to 50% of their massive 110 million user base. It won't happen. The 360 may be the first to have a huge user base and still be able to sell a game to almost half there users.


VampireHunterZ

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @sudz: Why? Are you a 360 fanboy? I guess that alone is enough reason to laugh at you.

ohhello

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I'm in the UK. Got a load of colleagues and mates who have 360s and 1 who has a ps3. Unless a load of my mates get a PS3, I'll stay with the 360.

I am old, and it's more fun playing with mates than it is arguing about textures and polycounts. I'll leave the arguements to you whippersnappers.

Oky, I just wanted to type whippersnappers. Ooh that felt good.

DrMekon

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> It is the UK that would have sold so many, it is the place that consistently has 360 sales just ahead of PS3.

And @superaktieboy: yes it did. PS3 had just gotten ahead in EU yes but it wasn't by double. I hate fanboys.

Communist_Gamer

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> lol @ ps3 fanboys

sudz

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> still didn't outsell PS3

superaktieboy

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> It's hard to say with no numbers and no data we can't believe anyone.

Garo

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I can predict Sony's respond to this already and it starts with three letters

M G S

ring a bell??

merck

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @ParaParaKing: I'm not a big fan of referencing VGChartz The 360 seems to have staved of the ground it was loosing to the PS3 with the Price Drop. Lets not forget one of the biggest reasons for loyalty to the Playstation brand in the EU was due to it's long history of being affordable in addition to good games. Microsoft just has to fit that bill better for a longer time to become just as relevant.

okenny :)

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Xerious:

What does MGS4 have to do with anything in this thread?

Snuffbox

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> what about those "shortages"... none of this matters though. MGS4 anyone?

Xerious

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> It would be more significant if they said 'outselling PS3' but even then I'm sure most of the 360 sales have came from the UK anyway.

Triggster

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @excel_excel: Cheaper than the Wii. The 360 Arcade is €199/£159 while the Wii is €249/€£179.

The Whaleman

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Sony has shaved enough costs of Ps3 production to drop the price 50US and still break even. If they lower the price 100US together with this year games, Ps3 could even surpass the 360 in cumulative sales.

mustang

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @enewtabie: I don't doubt that the PS3 will overtake the 360 soon enough... as I said, the Blu-Ray win really gave them an advantage, and in the mediterranean areas they have probably sold 3:1 since launch. But if the 360 sales really went up now, the European victory of the PS3 will probably be delayed a bit. Unless Sony does an equal price drop and then we'll see them past the 360 before summer is over.

However, the beautiful thing about these "statistics" is that if you're not precise, you're not lying.. so stating 3:1 sales in PAL regions could mean Italy alone (since you're not saying all PAL regions combined). In the same manner, MS could be talking about UK, German and Scandinavian sales alone, since they're all European sales... just not all European sales.

Europe is a large and diverse area.. and in places like Sweden where the PS3 is overpriced beyond sane measurements (only to be topped by the upcoming Rock Band release) I honestly only know one person for sure that owns a PS3, and an insane amount of Xbox 360s and a fair amount of Wiis. I do know a fair number of people wanting to buy a PS3 though... including myself... but Sony has to drop their 12.5% unexplainable scandinavian fee first. I could honestly get it for 25% less if I imported it from the UK... but then I'd be screwed on warranties.

The Whaleman

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Vistrix: Being an European all my lfie (true!), when questionign them about this, they just keep teellings "Were using the Jack Nickolson Clause"

Thats right, we europeans just "can't handle the truth!". It's very exciting when leaked numbers show up around the web.

Shiryu

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Wizzard: Not cheaper than the Wii the same price. Which means if the Wii's are out and Jimmy C wants one of them Wii's he'll have to make do with the 360 arcade....
and then he'll cry for a long while

excel_excel

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @The Whaleman:
The only thing I could find is that Sony is poised to overtake the 360 in all Pal territories by the summer and for a period of time they were outselling them 3:1.What can you believe??

But,nothing concrete on actual numbers.I would like to see what the actual sales and what it is showing.I think it's far far closer than what you'll hear.

Sony and MS/Nintendo will continue to compete in Europe and NA.It's over for MS in Japan,so that has Nintendo and Sony there..No surprise really.

Then it's NA where no doubt MS has a nice lead and over course Nintendos casual gaming juggernaut.Sony should make a very strong showing 3rd Qtr with their nice selection of titles/features coming.Looks much stronger for Sony than MS that time of the year.We'll see.


enewtabie

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> In terms of the PS3, how many Blu-ray movies are being sold strictly to PS3 owners? Since the PS3 is the leading Blu-ray player, one could surmise that the majority of Blu-ray discs are being sold to PS3 owners, right?

With this in mind... I can hear the spin from Sony now.

"The PS3 DOUBLED their sales of ALL entertainment property pertaining to the PS3. The PS3 is the number one high definition next-gen media and gaming console in the world!"

See how easy it is to spin things your way?

klashawnd

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @flukielukie:

Is that true?
I bought 3 times that already this year

juscallmeweasel

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Kingsgoon: I would doubt they get beaten by the PS3. I know that even before the price drop, the PS3 could not compete with 360 sales in Sweden and probably the rest of scandinavia, and I've hear reports of UK sales being solid for the 360 as well compared to the PS3. Here in Sweden, the 360 sells way more than the PS3, especially after the price drop which helps putting even the 20GB model close to half the price of the PS3 that is overpriced compared to all other consoles in Scandinava (with an 12.5% extra fee compared to the rest of Europe that just can't be explained). While the 360 sells poor in the mediterranean areas, Northern Euroe has a pretty strong 360 foothold... son on average, this wold put them between the PS3 and Wii... and as said before, failing to reach the Wii is probably the largest reason to not disclose sales numbers.

The Whaleman

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Kingsgoon: How do you know they're being outsold by PS3? You fanboys are funny...

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> The 360 doubling numbers makes things interesting. Oh, sweet joy, I can't wait for more PS3 v. 360 E-chest thumping.

With GTA5:prologue selling well over a million copies shortly after launch in Europe, I can't help but think that at least some of those people were new PS3 owners. Those are good numbers for a "demo", as some people call it. We won't find out about March and April for a while, though. :(

Amerijapoxicano

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Believable

TheTime

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> So they doubled their sales, but are still getting outsold by the Wii and PS3 in Europe. Impressive...

Kingsgoon

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> knowing what they're gaining/ losing from the reduced sales prices would be pretty entertaining to know too, if you're pretty sad- like myself.

Naif

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @El-Suave: If I was a publisher the higher attach rate would definitely sway me towards developing for the 360 rather than PS3 if I could only choose one. And it's not just because the console has been out longer, the attach rate has been high since launch and multi-platform games consistently sell more on the 360 than on other platforms. Considering that attach rate is going to keep attracting developers to the 360 I would say it is a pretty good "win-argument" considering it will keep the system flush with new games for the next few years.

photoboy

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I'm so jerking it to fanboy squabbles right now.

MushroomSquid

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> These kind of reports are prime bait for fanboys of all different consoles.

As for which console is "winning" - no idea - but out of everyone I know there's 1 person with a PS3, 4 or 5 with a Wii and about 10-12 with an Xbox 360 (and I don't mean people on my XBL friends list!)

Oh, and quite a few people have PS3s and Xbox 360s on their wish-list, but nobody I know wants a Wii who doesn't already have one.

IronsUK

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I can't believe so many people are making stupid remarks about the attach rate of consoles. This is very important to the likes of Capcom, Rockstar, Ubisoft and so on.

In january 2006 the 360 had an attach rate of 4.3. By the start of 2008 it has risen to 7. For the PS3 the attach rate has risen from around 1 at launch to 3.5.

The fact there is a one year gap between the release of the 360 and PS3/Wii shows that not only is Microsoft in second place on hardware, it is number one in software. With a gigantic fucking gap over the Wii and PS3.

Despite enormous success of Wii 1st party games and being number one in hardware sales. The total number number of games sold on the 360 is over twice as much as the Wii and PS3 together.

It is obvious to most that in terms of consoles sold the 360 will probably be a close 3rd. Although stupid Sony fanboys will use this to claim victory. Developers won't care, they know better.

Unless the hardware gap between the 3 machines can negate the number of games sold per console, the 360 will continue to have the best games and the largest and most diverse software catologue available.

Grave of the Fireflies

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Hey Microsoft, numbers or GTFO

Bumpmap

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> This is spin if I've ever read spin. Key thing they leave out is whether they doubled their CONSOLE sales after the price reduction. I suspect they didn't. So they are pimping this notion of doubling ALL sales of all things XBOX across the board. I'm sure they have sold more consoles than before and thus, have sold more software as well. But if the PS3 is still outselling them in total console sales week after week even AFTER the price drop, then their prospects overseas are dwindling. Leaving out any hard numbers only leads me to suspect that the hard numbers sing a different tune.

klashawnd

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Funny thing is, that the PS3 sales also doubled after the 360 price drop, because it was around easter.

ParaParaKing

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Rockband won't be the so called 'blockbuster' if they stick with their current price plan of £180 including game and instruments. That's for sure! Though GTA IV & Ninja Gaiden 2 are must buys.

Ricksterlau

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> lol just PR spins...
and if it selling more than the other systems they would just tell itinstead of staying only with the"biggest revenue untill now..."
0_o
u released first u have more revenue until now...
Seems desperate,after a ps3 pricedrop and maybe a wii the 360 says bye and to the Eu after japan

steliosco

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Double sales should put the 360 over the PS3 again (they've been rather close the past year, taking turns being on top, but the blu-ray victory put the PS3 on a clear advantage), but still not reach the Wii... which is probably why they don't post any numbers. Being beaten by Nintendo's "toy" is probably too much for Microsoft to handle.

I really hope Sony responds to MS' price cut soon, since Europe (Scandinavian countries above all), Australia and NZ really, really deserves a more fair pricing. That os for the Wii as well... though seeing how well that sells I doubt that will happen soon.

The Whaleman

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> 360 sales doubled but still outsold by PS3 2:1 in EU.

futurama81

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I know lots of people here in the UK that have a 360. Also the attach rate is what is making the system a success. Lots of PS3 owners by 3 games a year. 360 Owners may buy double that.

flukielukie

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> The attach rate is the most stupid win-argument ever since you can't compare the consoles on that front. 360 sells a lot of games, you have to give them that - good for them. But when they first started using attach rate boasting that theirs is twice as high as Wii's or PS3's they neglected to mention that their console had been on the market for twice the time so having a higher attach rate is the most natural thing in the world and doesn't say much about the console.

If they lead with these attach rate ratios in 2-3 years, then it's reason to boast. Not now.

El-Suave

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @elevenoverzero: Jeez, we don't even have official XBL over here and now they want to nuke us? Bastards.

ElPadre

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> yeah yeah...more than double but still outsold by PS3 allmost 2:1...pffffff

futurama81

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Without any actual figures this doesnt mean anything..Yes,lowering price sells consoles.Life to date revenue should be more if the console has been out before Nintendo/Sony's console,right?It's good they are doing better than expected though.

enewtabie

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Missile lock on Poland.

elevenoverzero

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Update your map, it still has Yugoslavia on it.

rospaya

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Doubled from what?

On another note I wonder exactly how they calculate those attach-rate numbers. Because it's no secret non-gamers buy PS3's for the media, mainly BD, functions. They're probably not going to buy many games.

Replica23

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> its doing all right in UK too apparently...@ryivanV2:

Mr Brolly

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Double zero is still zero..

Still, it would appear the 360's "I HAVE EXPLOSIONS IN ALL MY GAMES" attitude isn't doing so great in any country that isn't America, perhaps thats a sign..

ryivanV2

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @TOWER_JUNKIE:

I think he was referring to the Rock Band pricing debacle.

Regardless, I'm just here to see people argue on behalf of multibilliondollar corporations as if they're friends, saying that company A loves them more than that shitty company B.

It'll all start with an RRoD mention, or maybe that's too creative. We could just go with something along the lines of 'SONY SUCKS' or 'nintendo is for casuals!!!!!' and it's the proverbial pistol shot into the air for hordes upon hordes of loyal consumers to defend businesses instead of seeing pros and cons in all consoles, of realizing that this competition is the best goddamn part of this industry.

Or maybe we'll all just realize the 360 is the best console out right now and move on.

pagancollective

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> In other news, Europe will attack SCEE and Konami headquarters putting aside hundreds of years history in order to get their MGO2 beta.

Black-Dog-Howls

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Why haven't they released sales figures?

Double of what?

I wonder how many PS3 units GTA4 shifted with their bundle...would be interesting to see.

Vistrix

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> If you need revenue and attach rates to demonstrate your success, you're in trouble.
Cold hard unit sales numbers is what counts - as it has always been and should be.

El-Suave

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> Is this any surprise? Cheaper than a Wii, remember. That's just... insane.

Wizzard

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> 360 FTW!

Keef

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> @Ragarnok: I'm fairly certain Rock Band hasn't been released in Europe, so it's an upcoming blockbuster for them.

TOWER_JUNKIE

]]> <![CDATA[European 360 Sales "More Than Doubled" After Price Cut]]> I don't believe it, and citing "Rock Band" as an upcoming blockbuster is just bad :p

Ragarnok

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