#132, #133, #134, #135 basically shows you people's general reactions when somebody took that ID thing seriously, like what #131 did.

The ones laughing at Kotaku, I dunno how much more clearer it can get, how's #177, #196, #150, #151, #152, #161?

Your posts, I dunno, #131 and #226? っつうかスレでランキング必死の事を押したのはmuuさんだけじゃね？And I'm just guessing here, but if you posted on those 2ch threads, 2chで煽って勝てない喧嘩をKotakuに持ち込んだって事？完全に自作自演じゃん。And you just "happened" to leave out all the good things Kingoro mentioned about the game and just chose to translate only what seem to be a lesser significant change he said in the original post?

俺は喧嘩売ってる訳じゃないけど買う気もない。コメってるのもtrying to give back to the community だけ。ただ翻訳するなら中央の立場に立ってから訳すべきだと思う。煽るための傾けた情報の提供は、自己満足にしてもどうかしてる。Bashcraftもそうだけど、muuさんが星付いてる事はそれだけ言葉が信頼されてるって事だろ？俺が何か言わなかったらKingoroのブログに"LOL HI FATASS. ENJOYING BEING A JAP LOL. OH SRY I CAUGHT U WHEN U WERE FAPPIN. OK, ENJOY UR AIDS HAVE A NICE DAY FAGGOT."みたいなコメントが止むと思うか？That was an extreme example だけど、それぐらい自分の言葉に重みがあるって事を自覚して欲しいし、責任も持つべきだと思う。Bashcraft家も記事のビュー数でメシ食ってるみたいだけど、まぁ何百か何千人も影響される事だから、良心的に金を稼いでいこうZE☆

って、こうして俺が最後に釣られたかい？どんだけぇ～　o_O

Dir_en_grey

And I already told you that people understood what Kingoro was trying to say, and just didnt appreciate the fashion it was presented in. I'm failing to see how you're ignoring this point, though I'll gladly let you be if you wish to keep ignoring it.

muu

Also, people seem to think that the guys problem is that a change in enemy placement makes the game any harder. This is not the case at all. Rather, a certain shot pattern in chapter 4 stops you from being able to absorb a large number of bullets, resulting in a lower score. This is significant in a game like Ikaruga where theoretical high scores are constantly being questioned and evolving.

That doesn't sound like much to most people, so let me put it this way...

Imagine you got 50 gamer points for something you did on a 360. Now, imagine the same game being ported to an XBox 720 but with a glitch that didn't allow you to get those points even though they were so easy before.

See what I mean? Ikaruga players measure their wangs in much the same way X-Box players do.

NeoStarr

Anyway...

131 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 12:34:50 ID:u8FOX2kl0
ほんとに斑鳩（笑）って書いてあった…
「報告する」で、MSからこの人のオンライン権限を停止させられないのかな？

132 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 12:37:33 ID:U6juuucD0
>>131
腹立つのはまあわかるが停止はないだろ、もちつけ

133 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 12:37:41 ID:BQfCVSMC0
>>131
ねぇよｗｗｗ
ワールドワイドだからジャップとかファックとかそんなのも何処でも出てくるぜｗ

134 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 12:38:31 ID:ZQ1ct24X0
>>131
いくら何でもそれはないぜ…。

135 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 12:41:08 ID:AfnAObmO0
>>131
悔しいなら1位奪って来い

170 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 15:12:12 ID:BNLVO13Q0
>>168
コメント欄で凄いバカにされてるなｗｗｗ

175 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 15:25:02 ID:o19OlTXG0
コメント欄が楽しすぎだろｗ
俺がキンゴロー（笑）の立場なら間違いなく突撃してバトルするｗｗｗ

177 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 15:29:39 ID:o5zCCY8K0
外人必死w

196 ：名無しさん＠弾いっぱい：2008/04/17(木) 16:08:44 ID:7nmSlAd70
外人も日本人も皆釣られすぎｗ

150 ：名無しさん必死だな：2008/04/17(木) 14:34:57 ID:w7MWDXPH0
うん、やっぱり載っちゃった
まあKotakuなんて弱小サイト誰も見てないし別に問題ないよね

151 ：名無しさん必死だな：2008/04/17(木) 14:46:52 ID:a0zsMFFI0
マジだｗ
kotakuに載ってるｗ
最初から英語で書けば笑えたのに

152 ：名無しさん必死だな：2008/04/17(木) 14:50:22 ID:dQSLi6I10
やりこむほど熱意もない糞ｹﾞﾊ住人じゃ擁護しても叩いても滑稽

161 ：名無しさん必死だな：2008/04/17(木) 18:08:36 ID:HyehSfzr0
アメ公も斑鳩（笑）に困惑してたぞｗあのレベルでダメなのかJAPはってｗ

226 ：名無しさん必死だな：2008/04/18(金) 01:47:18 ID:dk9JiEp90
斑鳩（笑）
ttp://kotaku.com/380686/top-rated-ikaruga-player-xbla-version-is-horrible
自称格ゲトーナメントプレイヤーの外人からの擁護が多いな
けど、こいつら問題履き違えてるだろｗｗｗｗ
文句を言うのは問題ないんだよ、斑鳩（笑）って言ってるくせに必死にランキングトップ取って
アピールしようとしてるのが痛いんだってｗｗｗ

I think you get the point, [namidame.2ch.net] was the thread laughing about this post getting angry at Kingoro's tag and went over 1000 in a day, mostly ending up in stupid Xbox is a piece of shit and how US loves Xbox comments.

And even though 2ch might get a bad rap for being like 4ch or filled with assholes (which IMO is not the case), people there still has way more courtesy, class, and common sense then the comments I've seen on Kotaku lately.

Dir_en_grey

Did you read those 2ch threads? Most people agreed that there were some oddities, that it wasn't necessarily a perfect port as touted by probably their PR department. And most, like Kingoro (in his blog), noted that they can accept the changes.

The problem? People found it a touch too much of elitist fuckwadism in constantly trying to keep that first-place spot just to say "this is a horrible port." You may have missed the initial threads where the same sort of debate raged on as it did here (on the shmup forum one guy points out, "wow, this is some deja vu"), but these guys didn't exactly find Kingoro's words very charming either. He said what most of them were thinking to some degree; there's just a difference between saying, "I'm disappointed in this port" and "Ikaruga. LOL!"

And after writing that up...

>Again, all he said was it was a bad port, he never said the XBLA version sucked.

Guess I might have been misunderstanding things. Did you miss the link to his gamertag bio [live.xbox.com] ? It reads exactly as:

XBLA版『斑鳩』の移植度がものすごく低い。これは『斑鳩』じゃなくて『斑鳩（笑）』だな。

Instead of "horrible port" you could translate it as an "incredibly low quality port," but YES, he did say it. It's still there, has been for quite a while now. No, it's not on his blog -- it's somewhere much more easily accessible as long as you have access to Ikaruga rankings.

muu

Not that the mis-leading title of the original post helped any. I've been noticing that on other Kotaku posts lately too, mis-leading titles so there would be a discussion.
Like someone else pointed out, you get more view counts this way... I'm fairly new here and I guess I've always thought of Kotaku just like any other Gaming News Site (atleast trying to be unbiased), but just done in a blog form. But I guess when there are ads and money is involved, business is business? And I guess I have no problem with that, as long as now that I know what I'm reading.

@Erwin:
That was how it was advertised on all the news and game sites. It's still on the official site: [www.treasure-inc.co.jp]
完全移植 means "Perfect Port".

Even at forum SuperPlay! [www.super-play.co.uk] from this Original Kotaku Post people that actually play the game are mentioning it's a "weird port" with "unreasonable changes" and "bugs".

@Genjitsu:
I'll do a straight translation, from his blog post 4/14:
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"Since I want to make it organized for myself, I'll list the changes that were made from the Arcade/DC version. Just so you know, it's been 6 years since I played Ikaruga, so note that there might be my own misunderstanding and mistakes included. Also, note that I'm basically talking about Normal Mode. Easy and Hard are not of my expertise so I wouldn't know.

[Improvements]
-It's cheap in price
-There is no more lag, or barely any lag when inputing commands.
-Hi-def
-Many new options that were very thoughtful and well done
-Replay Option
-Net Ranking Option
-Net Co-op Option (Even though some lags will occur during input command, you will not feel the hiccup of the graphics trying to match the other player at all, I'm very moved by how smooth the game progresses!)

[Changed Points]
Overall
-No more slowdowns (I guess this was expected)
-Can't shoot enemies on the edge of the screen with normal shot nor energy unleash.
-The shot tracks of energy unleash and the animation for the re-homing seems off. (I'm not too confident on this, but something does feel different)"
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Notice how he said "Improvements" and then "Changed Points" instead of "BAD Points?"
From there on he points out the changes of timing, placement, hitboxes, and also what seems more like bugs on each stage.
Above and below he provides pics and examples...

He also said in his 4/12 post that it's fine if you play the XBLA version as a different game, but for those playing it thinking it's the Arcade version it should be difficult.

Again, all he said was it was a bad port, he never said the XBLA version sucked.

Anyway, people here are being laughed at on getting all worked up over on something they didn't even understand and missing the whole point in the first place: [game13.2ch.net]
[namidame.2ch.net]
This one was specifically about this post but went over 1000 posts in one day: [namidame.2ch.net]
Wish some of you that could read Japanese had read this....

Heh and I'll laugh at myself for spending all these time writing something probably nobody will read =P

Here's to having decency as a human being, and feeling the responsibility over the words we say, cheers Kotaku.

Dir_en_grey

Strangelove

Erwin

@Erwin: If this particular consumer was promised an arcade-perfect port, they plunk down their money, and get something that is not an arcade-perfect port, they have reason to be upset. That said, I don't know if Ikaruga 360 was "promised" to be anything, mind you.

Handsome Fat Man

Erwin

It's not so much a rule as it is a definition.

A port is a copy. Things are sometimes sacrificed in ports due to limitations in hardware and programming, but I think it's pretty much the consensus that a port should only deviate from the original when some technical roadblock dictates it must, not "whoo hoo! let's just take a left turn here for shits and giggles"

For that, see "sequel" and/or "redesign" and/or "reimagining".

You're really just being hardheaded at this point if you pretend you don't understand.

Billkwando

ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots

@Billkwando: Where is this rule?

@Erwin: Just because he is attempting to maintain a high score on the leaderboards does not mean he isn't playing the game for "fun." I use fan infinites and "cheap" Dedede tactics in Super Smash Bros. Brawl in order to win, and I still have a lot of fun.

Handsome Fat Man

swift_tiger

Uh, yes there is.

Otherwise, it graduates from "port" to "bad/fair/ok port". Also see "bastardization".

Billkwando

Now he has to learn how to play these sections again and he is pissed, which is a STUPID reason to bash a game.

Its not like they broke the game or made it crappy. Kotaku shouldnt post crap like this, it gives a bad name to the game when it doesnt deserve anything but praise.

parad0x360

Erwin

hamster78

-- Super Turbo Vega's wall dive changed from charge down, up+K to charge down, K, up on SFAC, making Vega next to unplayable at home.
-- 3rd Strike, Akuma's f+mp is throwable on consoles but not on arcades.
-- Guilty Gear XX AC, Bridget blows in the console one and Sol's got some added broken crap in what's supposed to be a straight arcade port.
-- 3rd Strike (again), the Dreamcast one had a frame of startup lag before every move and a frame less of recovery after every move.

List is endless. Guy's got a legit complaint.

DarkHogosha

The fact that this guy is the top of the leaderboards demonstrates that.

I just find all the comments about this guy being a scrub kinda dumb.

It's like, Kobe Bryant walking on to some random basketball court and schooling everybody.

Then he comments that the basketball court is not regulation since the basket is too low and the 3 point line is too close.

Then everyone on the court is like, "ZOMG Kobe Bryant is a scrub! He has to play on an NBA regulation court!" Nevermind that Kobe just owned them all hardcore on their own court.

A better example would probably be baseball since playing fields at each ball park can vary.

You are probably sure to hear players mention that they prefer the old Yankee stadium over the new over game related reasoning (nostalgia aside). To question their skill for making such a statement is dumb.

hamster78

Zeouterlimits

Who cares that they changed/moved a few enemies about? People who spend their lives obsessing over one game pointlessly that's who. We still have the polarity system and ONLINE PLAY. Laggy as hell sure, but it is a decent effort.

I love the game. That fool can take his hatorade elsewhere.

PS: Yahtzee, please for the love of god do not review this game. I do not want you to rip it apart eloquently - let me have my delusions!

EdwinJ85

Port or not, this is the XBLA version of Ikaruga. Ikaruga 360, if you will. It is not Ikaruga Arcade, Ikaruga DC, or Ikaruga GC. It also isn't Galaga. <-- There's a reason I said that. Ikaruga 360 is its own entity, with its own leaderboards, options, control schemes, etc. It doesn't share leaderboards with any other version of Ikaruga, nor does the game change if played on a different XB360.

There is no rule set in stone that says that a port must strictly adhere to its source. There is also no reason, given the changes we currently know of, that the theme and objective of the game has changed in the slightest. Ikaruga 360 is still about managing your ship's polarity to survive, damage enemies, and gain high scores. The ship still fires black or white projectiles, as do enemies. You can still make chains for points.

The game is not any less about accuracy, timing, memorization, etc. than it was before. If you claim otherwise, present evidence. And make sure you look at the Galaga reference I made earlier. It encapsulates my entire point.

Handsome Fat Man

Besides, I'd take a person's word who's proved their skill and knowledge at the game, who provides examples to back up their claim over Joe Blow commentor X (over 9000!) who disagrees with the expert and provides no reasoning to back up their statement.

hamster78

A slightly changed Ikaruga is no longer about accuracy? Huh. What did they change, exactly?

@hamster78: Being the best at anything doesn't make anybody's words irrefutable.

@placebofud: That analogy is flawed, unless part of the XBLA changes is stiffer controls.

Handsome Fat Man

The whole promising a perfect port and not delivering WOULD irk some people. Otherwise you'd have a LOT more complainers over the upcoming SSFII HD remake, with its new "Fine-tuned" mode. The difference being that Capcom is offering that as a separate mode in addition to the original.

Genjitsu

Nikral

Personally I find this hilarious - it's like they changed it just to mess him up.

I can take this in pretty good humor too - I play games like Beatmania, DJ Max, Guitar Hero, etc... you can't help but kind of memorize the levels, but I probably wouldn't notice if they moved a few notes or added a couple more. If it messed up the people who just memorize notecharts, then they get what they deserve!

fuchikoma

[www.ikaruga.co.uk]

YouTube:
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hamster78

His analogy was perfectly fine. If you want something more tangible maybe this will assist you?

Your automotive vehicle has no power steering fluid, which would fit the classification as a structural change. The vehicle still functions perfectly without it and with enough skill you would be able to drive just as well with that vehicle as any other.

Wouldn't you?

placebofud

1) "ZOMG, he has to memorize the game... he has no skill."

Interesting to note that in the very first paragraph of this article Kotaku writes, "The current top-rated numero uno player Kingoro58k..."

Now either, all the people making this comment are illiterate or they just don't realize that what they are saying doesn't make sense.

Don't bash a guy's skill level if you can't even beat his score. Since he's number 1, I think he is more qualified to make an opinion on the game than anybody else.

2) "Why is this guy complaing about such minor details?"

The game was touted as a direct port apparently. It didn't fulfill this promise and this guy listed the reasons why.

A direct port should mean exactly that. The game itself should not be changed. The game was not advertised as a sequel like Super Ikaruga II Turbo or something.

As a tournament Street Fighter player, I can understand how small details can make such a big difference.

The PS2's Super Street Fighter II Turbo packaged within Capcom Collections 2 is a great example of this. David Sirlin (the guy currently working on Super Turbo HD Remix) touted that the version of ST in Capcom Collections 2 would be arcade perfect.

It was eventually found that the game has 5 frames of input lag, and because of this, all the top players hate the game. 5 frames of lag may not mean much to the average player, but it means a lot in high level play.

On a tangent, there have been various bugs being reported on the message board linked by Kotaku in this article on some major bugs being discovered such as the game ending prematurely, the game locking up, and people playing stages without a SHIP!. These are major bugs which kind of give evidence to the poor quality of this port.

hamster78

smackthenun

To those who say memorization is "not skill" or "not the way the game is meant to be played," the most skilled players in the world and the developers of the game disagree with you. And they might have an idea of what skill is or what the game is supposed to be. Just saying...

@cybereal:
Your DDR analogy is a good analogy, but you got the wrong result. I bet if you memorized a stepchart, and played against a skilled PAer, you would still lose. Even if they didn't have it memorized. DDR isn't about rote memorization; it's about familiarity of patterns and body positioning (which you might call memorization), but it's mostly about timing.

ninjafetus

A lot of people in these comments are dissing him for being a player that memorizes the game's patterns and what not. Well, guess what; the game IS that type of game. Are you just dissing this guy just because he can play it better than you and you're jealous of that?

Besides he's not whining, he's stating that the game has been changed when it was ported which makes it in his eyes; a bad port. The game is about accuracy and they've changed that, and when it's supposed to be a direct transfer; NOT AN INTERPRETATION, then it's a poor port. Don't you guys remember the arcade to console days? They'd change tons of stuff and we would all complain about how different it is or how it isn't as good as the arcade version. Guess what; SAME THING.

Kuren

skrame ☆

Here's some breaking news: This is blog.

NoBullet

Ideally, all ports would follow the SF2 HD Remix philosophy: a mode with retouched mechanics, and a mode with the original mechanics. I, myself, wouldn't have minded seeing a remix mode in Ikaruga (think DC Mars Matrix, for the two of you who understand the reference), as I played the original to death and wouldn't mind something new. But I also understand that part of the allure is in the original game.

A little understanding goes a long way. That's my $0.02.

Handsome Fat Man

No I did listen, but I ignored it as it was you bitching about game-related news on a gaming blog. I can't believe you don't realize this. :D

NeoAkira

For example, there's some serious changes in the Guitar Hero 3 engine from the GH2 engine. Understandable, as it's a different developer, but still. Some of these changes are big enough that it's driven me to stop playing GH3.

Roadkill

angry_gamer

I don't know shooters but it's the same thing w/ fighting games.

GhaleonUnlimited

GhaleonUnlimited

smuckers is good

I may not be good at Ikaruga (so far I only have unlocked 6/12 achievements) but I think the hard mode deserves a much higher praise than normal, no ?

Thanks for inputs from skilled players.

"ga key" got 29+ million points in hard mode and his replay looked much more impressive to me.

PS: As for his criticism, I think it's unfortunate, but unimportant. A port is always a port. If you want the real thing, buy an Ikaruga PCB and a Japanese cab. Case closed. It's worth the admission price if you love the game so much that you play it for months if not years.

Voltron

thaKingRocka

smuckers is good

People are turning this into N'gaigate for nothing. The Kingoro guy has a legitimate gripe, and people are engaging their mouths before their brains........when any one of them would cry to the heavens if someone ported THEIR favorite game and then changed a bunch of stuff around.

*pictures a remake of Final Fantasy VII where Cloud has a mohawk and a naginata.*

Billkwando

theprof00

Kanadwen

Witzbold

But seriously...he whines and complains because he has to learn to adjust? Honestly, if it's that much of a life defining issue for this guy, then just don't play the XBLA version...go buy a Dreamcast or GCN copy and play it 'til your little hearts content. Plus, goign over the press release for the XBLA version, there's not a word about it being a "direct port" of the arcade version.

Timber317

chirokitsune

Let's say you're playing *insert fav. game here* and you get to one of the bosses and the way the boss attacks is different than what you're used to. Imagine the game's boss requires some skill and precision not unlike Ikaruga. Wouldn't you be a bit peeved about the change?

StupidDufus

Brian Ashcraft

If anything, I wouldn't bitch about the changes, I'd embrace them. It's something new to learn. Kingoro58k gives hardcore gamers a bad name.

Sorta reminds me of the whole CvS2 roll cancel bug that high tier players insist on being there. Nevermind that it's not meant to be there and gives the player using it an unfair advantage, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL!! This is a bs argument just like Kingoro's. Things need balance or change to continue to strive.

Treasure did this to give him something new to beat. I highly doubt they wanted him to bitch about it.

shadowjin

And are most of you guys new to vertical shooters or something? They are all about memorization. That's the way you beat them. You learn the patterns. There's no secret about this; there's no pretending that the game is any different each time you play. It is always the same. It's all about precision; it's about knowing the patterns and practicing your path through them.

It's a cardinal sin to port a vertical shooter to another platform and make structural changes to the game in the process.

It's really no different than taking a famous race track in a racing game like, say, Suzuka, and making a hairpin turn go to the right instead of the left in a port to a new system. Would you consider this a "minor" change? It would screw up the accuracy of the entire track. It's not about "adapting". The problem is it's no longer Suzuka. And even if you've driven the real-life Suzuka and know every pebble and inch of asphalt on it, you're going to have no idea what this "Suzuka" is in this game you're playing, or how to drive it. That's a big problem.

badasscat

Lame and whinny, but understandable.

LaughingCrow

That's part of the genre. You play it and die a thousand times, but eventually you GET IT. Just like a Contra game. The Contra series is revered for the same thing, from the first one, to Contra III Alien Wars, the first Contra game on PS2 (Shattered Soldier), and Contra 4 for the DS. They're all the same way. The same stuff happens no matter what the player does, and beating those games largely requires the player to memorize exactly what to do and when to do it. And all 4 of those games are considered to be phenomenal by the majority.

And besides, memory just makes it easier. It doesn't make it impossible if you don't memorize the levels, and it doesn't make it a cakewalk if you do, especially in a game like Ikaruga. Ikaruga has so much going on sometimes, that even if you know exactly what to do you can still die because it requires such intense precision that merely controlling the ship to do what your brain knows it needs to do is a challenge in and of itself.

Strange Bedfellows

@Dir_en_grey: Yeah, I can't read Japanese. (Who knew it all looked like question marks?) I went to the site and wished I could. I could read "DC" and "XBLA" in a few places and I guessed which screen shot was which, but I could have been wrong. To an Ikaruga afficiando, there were probably some obvious differences, but to my untrained eye, I only saw that one was a direct feed kind of screenshot and the other was like someone taking a picture of the television. I don't know the guy's comments and probably wasn't even going to post on this topic until I saw your post.

Eltigro

BryanH

SAKY

cybereal

[i200.photobucket.com]

You must be kidding me. This classic is altered, and not its trash? Jeez... some people. This game is still a classic.

mindf1ow

I suppose a better comparison would be mastering rock band on PS3, then going to your friends house to play it on Xbox, finding out they changed all the colors and then all your boasting to your friends about how awesome you were at the game was met with laughs because you had to relearn the game... which is sometimes harder then just plain learning it.

Daizaru1

xbulletholes

I wanted to read what he wrote but saw it was in Japanese. :/ So thank you for clarifying everything with your comments in this article.

UmeShoryu

Rather, it's the commenters who love to fill in the blanks and post their own conclusions on the matter. Nowhere in the article did it specifically state he was mad because he had to memorize the game again due to different enemy placements. People just made assumptions and others followed because ragging on the guy suddenly became the popular thing to do.

"What a moron", "Ridiculous", "He needs a life", "Kingoro58k LOL", "Whiny".

I hope none of the commenters complained when Wavedashing was removed from Brawl and people had to learn new techniques.

UmeShoryu

Which is really too bad because I'm afraid it'll turn people off to some of the really great 2d scrolling shooters out there.

DeBurgo

AC版をメインに斑鳩を遊ぼうと思ってる人には辛いだろうな...ここまで内容が違うと両立できる気がしないわ

He's basing he's views on the port from the arcade version, and he clearly states it.

You keep on saying even if they are minor changes, but from what he listed seems like there are 3 or more changes or bugs he found from each stage that can affect the gameplay.
You used the laser beam placement as an example of what he listed, why not mention what he said about not being able to shoot enemies when they are near the edge of the screen? How about some things having no hit-box at all and some have bigger hit box.

He seems to be neutral when pointing out the changes and even make notes of somethings that he wasn't sure about.

I don't personally care either way because I'm not that good enough to pass the levels with or without the changes, I guess I'm defending the guy only because I feel he's being unfairly accused when he has valid points and giving neutral comments when he points them out.

Plus,（笑）とか "ｗ" とかは半分冗談って事でじょ？見た感じ彼のBioがただの洒落だと思うが、、、I'm just guessing here, but seems like you took it more seriously than what he intended, and it bothers you and 95% of the people here more then anything that he is pointing out the changes to a game you guys like?

Doesn't seem to me like he's whining, but if anybody doesn't like him pointing out the bugs and changes in the XBLA version, there's always an option to become number one yourselves, right? =)

Dir_en_grey

swift_tiger

Chobie

celery

TheRemedy

I played Turtles in Time off of some other TMNT game my little cousin had. I was SO excited to play the game once again....then I noticed that the game was changed up. The sound effects were replaced, enemies and stages were missing, and an entire boss was changed. Fact is, the game was changed, even if the core majority of it was still there. They changed things that mattered to him and in the end they ruined the experience he was expecting and cherished.

Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes rather than insulting them.

FP Furious_Liver, lacks independence

ABigSmall

Luziphir

Grey_Fox

As others have pointed out, he isn't whining about the changes. He made a comparison of the two versions and pointed out what's good and bad. What he's most likely annoyed about is that it was supposed to be a perfect port and they failed to deliver.

Yet, you're reporting this matter as if he's whining like a little bitch about a few minor insignificant changes; while completely dismissing the note of port quality. You fail to mention that he did point out of the good changes.

I believed in you, Kotaku; but you failed me.

JooNkeN

But this Ikaruga guy might actually have something coming like, the XBLA version is too easy. Do you guys even know what he's complaining about?

Elrinth

Skythe

Do all of you really know how to read Japanese? I for one cannot. And therefore I will not make rash judgments on this sensationalist blog post.

ABigSmall

Not just Ikaruga, but pretty much any of the Japanese "bullet storm" shooters when played at their highest levels are mostly about memorization and timing.

Powerlurker

Well, read through the actual blog(didnt do it before the last post, but decided to after reading through the comments here)

Basically, I dont really see him whining either, however I will still disagree with him about it being a bad port. I see the xbla version as the best version to date. Owning both the other versions as well, I just cant see why someone would care so much about the little things that he claims are bad. I find most of the changes to be improvements, granted I havnt played through the entire game yet so I dont know if later ones really matter as much.

Anyways, I dont really call this news and I have to agree that the title is a bit misleading here.

RuneX

HayamaAkito

The guy obviously knows what he's talking about, and like others have said they're legitimate points, even if they are subtle gameplay changes. The point is whether you're acting in a mature manner when you go out of your way to make sure you stay in 1st place so that people get your 'message' that the game sucks.

muu

Seriously, there are no game altering changes other than it looks better and has a few minor gameplay tweeks to make the game a little fresher. If its not ruining the game, whats wrong with making a few minor changes to add a little flavor?

I for one, welcome the fact that the game changed some lazer directions and other little things. To me, these changes make the game better than the original DC/arcade release.

RuneX

Sorry. Had to get that out.

If he wants to complain that they changed up something in a port, fine. It just makes me glad I have more important things to worry about in life than a game. I just don't see the point of getting that worked up (and culminating with topping the leaderboard on XBLA) over something that really doesn't have any meaning in the grand scheme of things. The change didn't take any food off his table or dollars out of his pocket and the game isn't broken. I don't get the complaint. At all.

Nikolii

Embarrasing, people! :D
I think we all learned something here today.

Yin

xtraman

Lezard

MikeHateful

x999x

That's the idea behind a Shump and getting high scores?

Terance has Turrets

Otacon91

projectg

I mean, if that's the version you prefer, who gives a shit what your XBLA ranking is?

splines

The RE4 port to the Wii isn't comparable to the Ikaruga port to XBL. For starters RE4 had to incorporate Wii controls and the enemy spawns or attack patterns aren't very important. Ikaruga is an arcade-style shooter that uses the same controls (joystick and buttons, no waggle) on every system it's been on and is highly affected by enemy spawn and attack patterns.

And if you didn't think anyone bitched about the RE4 port to the Wii then you must not read much gaming news.

Now I would recommend reading beyond the title of the article and going to his blog. You'll see he has some very valid points for the bad changes and even outlines what he considers good changes.

NeoAkira

The guy said that he hasn't played Ikaruga in 6 years, but felt something wasn't right about it so he went back to the DC version and compared them.
I don't see how the hell is that whining at all, and here's the response that we can expect no less from the hard core 360 dumb ass fans:

"You whiney little bitch."
Posted by Ching Chong Chinaman

"LOL HI FATASS. ENJOYING BEING A JAP LOL. OH SRY I CAUGHT U WHEN U WERE FAPPIN. OK, ENJOY UR AIDS HAVE A NICE DAY FAGGOT."
Posted by LOL

And I still can't spot where the guy says he hates the XBLA version, all he said was it was a bad port, pointed both the good changes, and the bad.
Showed pics with examples of the changes that was made.... Does he deserve those idiotic comments?

Dir_en_grey

djricekcn

jibbitz

You obviously don't hold a PhD in economics!

Read this for more details.

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MikeHateful

ShiNZ

p.s Never read his blog, couldn't care less hes no.1 currently on XBLA, someone will beat him within days.

Walker

djricekcn

And so what if they changed it slightly? I already have Ikaruga; I'd rather they throw some new stuff at me than have it just be the same game I bought five years ago. Ping5000 said it best: "good players know how to adapt."

IGoogledMurder

I read the blog...

What are you trying to do? Don't you know to post here you just read the inflammatory headline and start typing?!

Juminatriascala

gogators88

TOCATL

acekrn

Channing

He mentions both the good upgraded things and the bad things also.

The bad things he mentioned are legit though, like you can't hit enemies that's at the edge of the screen with either normal shot or homing... I would think that's an important issue?

Dir_en_grey

Orionsaint

Otacon91

Truth be told, I don't know why they didn't just go ahead with Ikaruga: HD Remix. Start everyone right back at square one.

Gospel X

Precisely why i hate stupid people...

[canucklehead.ca]

Cheodo

Ping5000

His comment has merit because the game was supposed to be a complete port. And it isn't as they've obviously changed some aspects of the game. Not to say the guy isn't nitpicking, but he has a point.

NeoAkira

Otacon91

NessD12

I both agree and disagree with the guy. I mean it sucks if you were expecting a pure port, and with a game like ikaruga changing a few things can really screw up your movements.

Though, at the same time I don't think he should complain too much, at least he got a new port of probably his favorite game (if he's going to that extreme, I think I'm okay saying that) . Hell, why not think of it as a new challenge (if the changes make it a little harder).

Lain01001

ShaggE

pb00

And skills? Ikaruga IS memorization and timing at it's finest.

TornadoTK

Otacon91

Anarchist_Gamer

No, Steve Wiebe is currently in second place behind Billy Mitchell:
[www.twingalaxies.com]

imikedaman

Otherwise, whatever.

JB4GDI

Krytha

Cozwic