svenhoek

Then they took out crash mode. WTF. Crash mode WAS burnout. Whoever decided to take out the most raved about, most fun and addictive mode should be shot dead. Immediately. And then the FUCKING RETARD that replaced it with "showtime" mode needs to be placed in a vat of boiling acid. Showtime mode is terrible. Its worse than that even. Its not fun. The whole point of wrecking hundreds of cars at once, is BEING ABLE TO SEE IT. Not hopping around like a damned rabbit.

Oh and then they make it so that when you lose you cant just hit retry. So when you come in second place after racing from the Stadium to the Ranch, you have to drive ALL the way back to retry it. And rinse and repeat if its a harder race. I heard a developer say they didnt add that option because, "the team hates load times with a passion." Guess what dipshit? Sometimes load times are a great option compared to DRIVING FOR 5 MINUTES TO REDO SOMETHING.

And somebody kill Atomica. NOW.

This game is so flawed. Thats why I traded my copy Paradise for Revenge. Fuck you Criterion.

svenhoek

Half of my xbox live friends list consists of people I met playing burnout revenge (first on the xbox version, then on the xbox 360 version, yes, I bought burnout revenge TWICE, and perfected every event in the game TWICE).

When paradise first came out, it was easy to get a room full of eight friends.

Three weeks later, it was difficult, if not impossible.

Now, I see more of my friends in burnout revenge than in paradise (and a lot more in halo 3, COD 4 or rock band).

I'm hoping that online road rage and marked man might draw some people back to the game as I think those two events will work much better in an open world environment.

lordargent

DaiMacculate

DaiMacculate

Anyway, I love the game to death. I liked the old Burnout games, I like this one. I restart race option would be nice, sure, but all the stuff I gained in exchange was worth losing that, and then some.
I can't wait for both of these updates, as Jackal888 pointed out, Criterion promised they'd be free. Don't know how they figured out how to do it with all these other studios pointing at Microsoft exclaiming "They made us charge! We wanted it to be free! Like Tibet, or Willy!".

Muffin_Man

rainking187

I love the single player stuff in the game, the races are my absolute favourite as they don't seem to have rubbber band AI and if I'm half the map ahead of the pack I stay there. I also laugh at anyone who whines about having to look at the map, it was awkward at first but after driving around for awhile I have it memorized so races are still a simple split second decision.

PrinceZushio

RedTestament

lionkitten

lionkitten

slackjawed

lc204

Walker

monkeybeach

Jopan

Lowrent

basisforbart

Lanhoj

The game was designed the way they wanted, you don't like it, then tough.

Kyle81

Kyle81

They hate loading screens because it breaks immersion.

BUT, whenever you win a race, they throw up a big ass splash screen.

Whenever you get a takedown, they jerk the camera away and when it turns back, your car is not in the same position/orientation as it was before.

etc

lordargent

enigma89

It's about time, these features should have been in the game at release.

/now all they need is a real crash mode.

/and a restart race option

/and an option to get rid of the crash cam on single player mode.

/and a better way to indicate turns in races

Kyle81: @photoboy: Thats why when you lose, you just go to the next intersection and try another race.

That might work for you, but not everyone wants to play the game the same way.

Me, I'm a slightly OC completionist. I won't move on to a next race until I beat it, or become totally fustrated.

/Driving back to a race just increases that fustration.

/The thing about 'options' is that if you don't want to use them. DON'T USE THEM. But at least leave the damn thing in the game for those of us who want to use them.

/plus, I only have a few races left to do. So I can't "drive to the next intersection" anyway, because the next intersection is done. This is especially true for any race that takes me out into the mountains (I finished everything that starts in the mountains first, so if I finish out there, I gotta drive back to the city to get to any events I haven't done yet).

lordargent

Really, even if they left crash mode out, if they reintroduced arrow walls (even just visual) and restarts as options IMO it would be the ultimate Burnout game. Even as anti-DLC as I am, and the fact it should have been an option from the start, I'd probably pay $10 for a pack that just fixes that much - it would be so simple as patches go...

You're right about the ego thing though - their response has basically amounted to "well, if you're not having fun with our game then you're just not getting it. Tough luck!" We can't all be Miyamoto, but I think we just found his opposite.

I hadn't thought about rebooting to pick another car - I usually pick one I like, and just ignore all the events that require a different one because it would be ridiculous to waste that much time and effort to go and get the car and go back to that event. They used to just put you in the car you need and say go. It makes for some annoying marked man events racing a fast delicate car and missing the repair shop due to wonky map orientation though.

It's a sad oversight, but when you remove more minute options from a game, there are always SOME options left. Ultimately it becomes "You will play this game like this, and you will LIKE it!" and the gamer's choices boil down to "Ok!" or "No I won't. *ejects game*"

fuchikoma

FREIGHT TRAIN

They did a lot of things to annoy players that could be done away with OPTIONS. Restart for races may not seem needed as there are so many around but for road rage events or Marked Man, they are really spread out and rarely is there another near where you end up. So you have to drive around till you get to another. Don't like your vehicle, another long trip to the junkyard which is often quicker to reboot than to drive it. An OPTION to restart or an OPTION to warp to the junkyard would be nice and make so many more people happy. More happy people means more buyers of dlc down the road. Makes sense to add the option doesn't it since it makes everybody happy?

Honestly, I really just miss the ability to just pick a car, pick a track and go.

GPman

It doesn't stop me from playing though. I went into it knowing full well what they changed, and I had a blast - the game looks beautiful and I really do like the physics and crash/takedown logic over the others. Then I "burned out" on it about 2 weeks later - shortest time ever for a Burnout game. Free roam killed it for me. It's just such a pain in the ass navigating while racing it kills the fun - sometimes less is more.

Every few weeks I'll fire it up and do 2-3 events and power it off again, but the older Burnouts are still fun. Criterion doesn't owe it to anyone to go back and revert their game - on the other hand, if they don't, I know I'm done with it, and I think plenty of others will be too. :/

fuchikoma

MerlynNY

TetsuBo

s0lid

60d 1 h8 that "pwns" stuff...

FreshJulius

PaddyStardust

latinogamer

As to this game versus older Burnout game, for me the graphical upgrades alone are worth the trade-off of no real Crash Mode and no restarts. I got bored redoing the same race over and over when I couldn't beat it easily in the old games, this problem is completely alleviated now.

Plus, in 3/4 of all races you know whether or not you have a shot at winning in the first 30-45 seconds, so if you make a major crash/screw up you just stop and turn around. Considering the lack of load times and everything else, seems like a fair trade-off to me.

DaiMacculate

creid

I went back and played Burnout 3, and realized how much I prefer the layout of that game. The open world can work for Burnout, but I don't think they nailed it with Paradise.

Struct09

Kyle81

Woylez

flukielukie

Dauragon C. Mikado

ncdign

Oh, no, please don't say that. I actually feel bad for you. When I got the game, I felt exactly the same. I hated the idea. But then I played it and it's a brilliant idea. Once you get over the idea that there is no restart you realise that it makes the game far more fun! I mean, what's fun about doing the same race over and over again? The first race I did and inevitably screwed up I was a annoyed, but decided to do a race at the next junction. Never looked back.

Honestly, give it a go.

will

ShaggE

FadedEchos

WickedOrange

jackal888

photoboy

s0lid

icantbelieveit