Which message? He mentioned it in this message and the letter to Zelnick's mother.

The man has no shame, haven't you noticed? He never misses an opportunity to mention appearing on 60 Minutes. (When was the last time, by the way? It's been years, hasn't it? He's like a aging football player holding on to the one game he played in. And almost scored a touchdown. Except he was running the wrong way.)

RetroGamer42

jccalhoun

Oh, and thinking that commenters on Kotaku or anywhere else don't have the right to burn you if effigy or make threatening comments that can't possibly be carried out (you are a public figure, after all) is ludicrous. Even High School students understand the law better than you.

Granted, this whole thing seems suspicious. Why would you post on here? I write this more to vent a little, and because I was bored. I personally hope you go completely broke and become homeless, and the only person who can take care of you... Is a game designer.

Sincerely,
Bob The Duck

PS. I hope the next cover of Madden has you on it, holding a copy of Grand Theft Auto. Yes. I went there.

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WHY WON'T THIS PIC SHOW UP AS A PIC? Bah...

bobtheduck

April 17, 2008

The Honorable Charlie Crist
Governor, State of Florida
Tallahassee, Florida Via Fax

Re: Statewide Criminal Sale of Sexual Material Harmful to Minors

Dear Governor Crist:

On April 29, video game retailers will begin selling around the country, and in Florida, the video game Grand Theft Auto IV. Previous versions of this game are basically "cop-killing simulators." I have appeared on CBS' 60 Minutes because of my representation of the families of three Alabama police officers killed by a teen who literally trained to kill them on Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.

It appears that this latest version, GTA IV, contains "sexual material harmful to minors," as defined by Florida Statute 847.012, and it appears sale of it to anyone under 18 will thus be a felony criminal act. As you may know, major retailers often violate their own age-ID policies by selling "Mature-rated" games to kids under 17, roughly half the time. But even if the retailers were to adhere to this policy, a game sold to someone 17, if it contains "sexual material harmful to minors," would constitute a criminal act, given the hiatus between the "17 and over" industry rating and the more stringent "18 and over" standard pertaining to sexual material. Game makers and retailers foolishly ignore the various states' and the federal government's laws that define a minor as someone 18, and that someone under that age cannot be sold this sexual material.

Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart and other major retailers in Florida routinely ignore the video game industry's "17 and over" policy and sell "Mature" games to anyone of any age, even kids in their early teens. Repeated studies by the Federal Trade Commission have found this. Thus, you can be sure that many, many copies of GTA IV, marked "Strong Sexual Content" like earlier versions of this "cop-killing game" will be sold to kids of all ages throughout Florida starting April 29.

This particular game, GTA IV, has been edited for sale in Australia, and here is a news story suggesting some of the level of sexual content that is in the unedited American version that was taken out of the Australian version:
"In regards to what Rockstar has removed for the Australian release, as far as we're aware there was only one sexually violent cut-scene which Rockstar felt would cause the game to be Refused Classification [in Australia].
Unfortunately we're not able to go into specifics until after the game has been released but I can tell you that the scene involves a weapon being inserted into an enemies private area during a mission where Niko is taking revenge after one of his close friends was forced into sexual intercourse during his stay in prison."
In other words, it appears that the above-described scene may be in the unedited American version, along with other sexual content, of course, likely inappropriate for minors. Indeeed, here is the Entertainment Software Rating Board "descriptor" that is on the GTA IV game to be sold on April 29:

"Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content,
Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol."

Previously, Rockstar Games, the maker of the GTA games, has put incredible amounts of sexual material in their earlier versions of the game, and in fact they placed a very graphic, sexually explicit mini-game in the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas game which forced the worldwide recall of the game when the hidden content was discovered. I am a Republican, but I worked with Senator Clinton in effectuating that recall in July 2005. Rockstar lied to the public in that scandalous episode known as "Hot Coffee."

I would strongly urge you, today, to ask the Statewide Prosecutor, because of the distribution of this sexually-laced game to minors throughout the state, in every county of this state, to commence an investigation of this practice, which I believe will clearly be criminal in nature.

Secondly, I urge you now to issue a warning to all parents that this game is on the way on April 19, and I strongly urge you as well to warn all video game retailers in Florida that the State is not going to sit idly by if this "sexual material harmful to minors" is sold throughout the state in violation of FS 847.012.

I am more than happy to assist you in this regard, as the sale of this game to minors poses a significant public health and safety problem, as it truly is a murder simulator that has resulted in the deaths of law enforcement officers and other acts of criminal violence.

Regards, Jack Thompson

Copies: Media

jackthompson

We will NEVER know if the OFLC would have approved the game with this edited, because the build given to the OFLC didn't have this scene in it at all.

It was ROCKSTAR who censored this, NOT the Australian Classification Board.

FunkyJ

Banedon38

:3

ekstrapiksels

"Dammit. They promised violent gun rape and by George I want violent gun rape.

...Wait, that sounded kinda strange."

ROFL.

unmarkedone

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa... stop the press... are you saying that you condone the act of one man forcing himself sexually on another man? I'm pretty sure that's what you're saying here- that it's the GUN that makes it unacceptable. Wow.

MasterYong

thats the perfect revenge though, hey?

joelface

Cruithne

Well you weren't singling me out, but nevertheless you were setting yourself up on a pedestal and looking down on the rest of us. I'm tired of having to stay silent whilst sanctimonious religious nutjobs lecture us all on how perfect they are compared to the rest of us.

But you do know that it is true, that as America has grown older, its society has become more accepting to things like this, regardless of the media it's in.

And a good thing too.

We've gone from an age where pre-marital sex was taboo to an age where gunrape is hilarious.

What's wrong with premarital sex?
Leaving aside the simple fact that it has always happened, and all that has changed is that we're less hypocritical about aknowledging its existance, I have to say you're stretching things a bit to suggest we live in an age where gunrape is hilarious.
I don't think that beating people around the head with frying pans is hilarious in real life, but I still loves me Tom and Jerry cartoons, it's called context and perspective, you might wanna get a hold on at least one of those things.

If that's not a distortion of acceptability towards perversion, in my opinion, I don't know what is.

Dude, your opinion is your opinion, I'll never tell you its wrong, it will always be your opinion.
My issue is when you cross the line and make value judgements on the rest of us who have different opinions.

You have a right to your religious beliefs, but don't equate that with a right to judge me.

Cruithne

Charlie303

It is morally disgusting, and that is from personal experience playing it.

Mohican

M4A1 SD

And the ad I'm referring to is Reservoir Dogs game!

TheCheese33

Uh, did you watch the same movie that the rest of us did.

Aflack: Likes slushies

As someone pointed out, who said I was specifically talking about you?

But you do know that it is true, that as America has grown older, its society has become more accepting to things like this, regardless of the media it's in.

We've gone from an age where pre-marital sex was taboo to an age where gunrape is hilarious.

If that's not a distortion of acceptability towards perversion, in my opinion, I don't know what is.

gravytoast

I do respect my parents, which for your information, is honoring. I probably won't lie to them anyway...I was going to try to bring up the topic easily and try to get their approval by explaining the art of it all.

We all make mistakes, being a Christian doesn't make me "holier than thou"

Anyway, regardless of whether it effectively portrays the criminal world, I still feel it was a tad unnecessary, and hopefully in the next GTA game they won't get even more daring, say, how daring they got in Manhunt 2 with the castration scene -_-

gravytoast

Goron2000

Elroc

stupidfanboy

Mr.SithNinja

I'm pretty sure it is; even if it's a dude.

Anyway, I can see why they'd take it out, but I can't see why they'd take it out for certain areas instead of others. Honestly.

Cola82

(you can find the definition on urban dictionary).

Kid-A

el_rezzo

NoBullet

cybereality

Seriously, RPG all the way, or a Hammer.

I am one sick puppy! :D

Derigor

el_rezzo

galactus5000

knails

@Zeliard:

I can't help but think of sin city as a reference here

knails

fadecy

LMAO

For a second there, I thought my sarcasm detector was borken. Nice one.

Nothing's more compelling than a gun up the butt!

Billkwando

Ah, but did he have a friend that was raped?

HungryWolf AKA C of theCandSshow.com

Cruithne

Cruithne

thegr33n1

If someone really does this in real life, then we'll finally know if video games do influence people.

I mean, killing, sure, that happens everywhere regardless. But sticking a gun in someone's poo-hole, specifically after the said poo-hole gun sticker inner's friend was raped? JT might finally have a case on his hands.

HungryWolf AKA C of theCandSshow.com

The problem here is how archaic the Australian Board of Classification's view of video-games is.

marmidukestank

MysteryMeat

ca$h

Cruithne

Achenar

However, I doubt the sodomising itself will actually be that plot-heavy - not in a way that replacing the actual type violence will dramatically affect - and given Rockstar's attention to detail in every other aspect of their games I'm sure whatever they do with the scene to make it more acceptable will be as well done as the original scene.

Which does bring about the question - was it necessary in the first place?

Achenar

Dude, I think you're free to hold whatever views you want, but comments like this make you sound like a sanctimonious ass. Don't dare judge me for having different values to yourself. How dare you imply that I am indecent, immoral or perverted, simply for holding to a different moral compass to your own.

Cruithne

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

I was also reading a post I put up earlier about me basically raping and killing hookers.

That may have sounded wrong. I want to stress (and I cant stress enough) that I DO NOT KILL HOOKERS I was just using myself as an example instead of saying some random user in this post....

xBETAx

Nexus6

SPEEDRAZOR

I'm not saying anything at all against this scene. I love the inclusion of this scene. I love how Rockstar has the balls to do it, I love the fact that it's mature, and I love the potential dramatic impact. And I'm very interested in seeing what leads up to it, and also what the ultimate outcome is.

I never implied it's worse to sodomize someone versus blowing their crotch off. I think both should equally be allowed to be in video games, if the story calls for it.

Zeliard

But yeah I remember the penis removal surgery now from Sin City, another that came to mind is Planet Terror, when he needed to make it a quicky. The quicky line was meant to be a joke, like rape is a joke. Nobody says anything about that. But if you have some guy getting revenge on a rapist in basically an eye for an eye sort of way in a game, it's a big thing.

maybe I'm just strange. I tend to look at things of this nature as shit that really happens in the real world. It's not something that is ok to do, or to be condoned. But I'm sure it happens.

xBETAx

Nuh uh. Hostel had sex. That was the good part!

Then it had violence. That was the terrible disgusting almost made me walk out of the theatre part. It was torture porn at one point.

But the sex and violence didn't come together.

However, such movies do exist. The movie Crash comes to mind, people getting into car accidents just to get turned on and 'do it'. I liked the movie, but I found the whole premise rather unsettling.

You can have sex and violence, just not together at once. Well, I guess you can have them both at once, S&M is kind of violence, but not really. Rape is totally sex and violence and is very, very wrong.

However, I dont see sticking a shotgun in a mans anus after he raped your friend in prison to be mixing sex and violence. I think its just because its the 'butt' in my mind. I would take issue if a shotgun was stuck into the womanly spot of a woman, but not her backdoor. Same with the guy Niko does this too. Theres a reason for doing this which isn't rape, more like 'feel how it felt before you die'.

Plus, I doubt Rockstar is really going to show anything that graphic in the uncut version anyhow. Probably just another one of their quasi comical cutscenes where you hear over the top voice acting complete with obvious villification (to make it clear to the player that this guy, without a doubt, deserved this.

Komrade_Kayce

Usually News never catch on until later after it's release. I doubt they just post news out of nothing unless they got an idea about what is going on.

And if they want to make a big case about it or not and make it a bigger deal out a lil problem about a scene.

In the end when it comes to the news and for that those who watch it, will decide whats, what. Or take it into there own hand and see whats the fuss. Some will disreguard it knowning it's just a scene nothing that is permanently put into the game which happens over and over again in every scene.

Cunder

psycoking

But to answer your question, no, I don't particularly think anything is out of bounds for video games. If you can see Bruce Willis ripping off some yellow-skinned freak's frank and beans off in Sin City, why is it so out-of-line for a video game? Why the double standard?

Zeliard

Also, yes, the content may be somewhat distasteful, but that kind of stuff happens in the real world.

Friends of mine that have been to prison can tell you far worse stories than a mere gun barrel being inserted into someones' bum.

The criminal underworld is a dangerous, ruthless place, and should be portrayed as such in a game about, well, the criminal underworld.

Crackman

By the way, as far as this making trouble for Rockstar, I don't really see it. This is almost certainly a cutscene. The Manhunt games got them in so much crap because of the interactivity. So I think that could be the difference. But who knows. The mainstream media has certainly never failed to disappoint.

Zeliard

But Hostel is like violent sex.
Hey that sounds familiar...

gravytoast

xBETAx

Europe has

1. Places with legalized prostitution
2. Germany has some pretty hardcore sex scenes going on
3. France is... well... uhm... you know the French. Its not called the 'American Kiss' or the 'Canadian Tickler', thats for sure.

You guys tend to let a lot more sex slip past your radars in movies and tv. We tend to let a lot more violence through.

Personally, I think you're doing the better thing. Im a lot more cool with sex and sexy situations (!) than people doing physical harm to one another.

I'd take some Euro porn over watching... say... Hostel, any day of the week, for example.

Komrade_Kayce

I wasn't fond of the lesbian scene in Mass Effect. However, did I care? It was hidden in dozens of hours of gameplay, optional, and it was rather bare and didn't show much more than a PG-13 movie did. So I disagreed with Fox thinking it was virtual orgasmic rape. I didn't really like that content either, but I don't think it was necessary to make a big commotion about as I could easily look over it.

This, is a bit of a shocker to me to be in a video game, and it's a little more difficult especially if the scene is explicit, but even though I don't like the content, as Fox News doesn't, I don't think it's necessary to "BAN THE GAME. SAVE OUR CHILDREN. OMG" and bloat the game to a position it isn't supposed to be in.

gravytoast

No, here, let me round down my current thoughts in points.

- I find the content distasteful and unnecessary, however I don't agree with anyone making Rockstar have to censor their content, as it's their right to do whatever they want.
- However, I think it was a stupid decision to include this in the game, as it could fire off the press and media, therefore possibly hurting their success.
- I hope Fox News and other media doesn't explode on this game, or I might not be able to play it.
- I disagree with the appropriateness of the content, yes, but I think I can overlook it to try to enjoy a good storyline and experience. However, my parents might not be so forgiving in that aspect. As others might not either.

So in conclusion, I don't like the content, I'm not fond of it, but I'm willing to look over it to enjoy this game. Others, like the media, might not forgive so easily, and therefore I find it to be a stupid decision to include this, because it hinders my chances at getting the game, because I find it to be too out of the ordinarily grotesque to find useful in the game, and because it could hurt Rockstar in the end, like their other press hassles did in some aspect.

I hope you understand..

gravytoast

UnkleBuck

And now you're saying that you personally find the content distasteful.

So you're basically saying that Fox News is correct. So why mock your parents for being influenced by them?

Zeliard

My stepdad might watch it, but my mom would just close her eyes at any sort of violence. Even wrestling. lol.

Though that movie sounds interesting for me, I'd more than gladly pick it up for myself.

My parents can't stand still long enough to watch me play a video game. They just don't enjoy it. They like the Wii, but then again my stepdad calls that "virtual reality, not a video game". If I want to show my mom a cool cutscene in a game she'll sit down for like 10 seconds and then be like "I'm busy can we do this later??" Haha.

I'd show them Mass Effect, but I think that might just bore them to sleep. Which might not be too bad of an idea, I could go to the gamestore while they hibernate. lol.

My plan was, if they media didn't explode this game on their cameras, was to just tell my parents if they saw the game in my room or something "Oh yeah, it's a car game where you get to play as a cop". A lie, I know, but...a lie that would save my butt :/

gravytoast

Thank you Achenar, I put that into mind about personal attacks. But I just kinda brought this up that. It be obvious that a game will have shown a scene like this.

Considering that Movies push the limits as to what they show. Games will follow with it as well. As long as it's a scene to watch, then something that could be intergrated into a gameplay.

But this case Manhunt had push far into the boundaries as to how violent gameplay can be.

I just find it scensless to blame a company well known to go with what they know about violence, and sexual explicted content and stick with it.

Cunder

In defense. I am not saying this game is meant for everyone, or should be shown to every age group. But do I think every 16 or 17 year old should be banned from ever seeing this game? no. I respect the ratings in America, I feel they need some tweaking. GTA is definately a mature game. But a game like Halo? no. Maturity is different from everyone.

xBETAx

You know what you do? Rent the movie Eastern Promises. Watch it with them. Its a pretty hardcore movie that ends with a knife fight in a bathouse that is just off the hook.

If they are completely put off by EP, then I guess you're out of luck. But if they find Eastern Promises to be even remotely entertaining, tell them that GTA IV lets you play as, and quote this, some 'ex commie pinko who realizes the totalitarian heathen religion hating regime of his home serbian country is no good, and he comes to America to get a taste of the freedom without persecution and opportunites that we offer'.

Then pat yourself on the back for what will no doubt be an award winning performance if you pull it off.

Plus, if you want to get them to realize what a crock of shit Fox News is, buy and show them Mass Effect. That was a virtual sex rape simulator right? Showing them fifteen minutes of that game should put that issue to bed.

Komrade_Kayce

When I hit 18? I'm sorry sir, the reason I don't find this content tasteful has nothing to do with maturity level, it has to do with the fact that being raised in a very Christian household, I find that kind of content unnecessary. I'm usually able to oversee and ignore that kind of stuff, simply to enjoy the game (example being Call of Duty 4, where the game has such a magnificent, breathtaking atmosphere and relatable story, I got sucked into it), but I just found this to be perhaps pushing the boundary.

Regardless of GTA's violent and sexual nature, it has never been quite this bad (assuming the cutscene fully shows this happening to said individual). The most GTA's ever shown was a car rocking while two 3D models sat in place in a car, or some badly-jaggied polygons stripping at a night club. Obviously with GTA IV, Rockstar's gotten a bit daring. The different prostitute options I wasn't very fond of, but I was able to overlook it because it's an optional feature and it might fly under the media's radar. However, this? Raping a man with a weapon? As a storyline cutscene? That certainly will not fly under the media's radar, at least I think, and hopefully we can skip cutscenes, otherwise that would be a real pity that I won't get to experience this seemingly fun game because of some unnecessary scene.

Forgive me for being one of the last Americans to have decency in the face of perversion and immorality, but I just don't agree with it. I'm not saying it should be taken out, as that would be violating Rockstar's rights as a developer, I just think it was a stupid decision. For the good of its game, and for people in my predicament. I don't applaud Rockstar, however, either, because I think this may harm their success in the face of frantic media and parents, and regardless of their rights, I believe that scene just pushes grotesque taste a bit too far. I may not be able to purchase this game if my parents freak out about this.

And please don't call me "child", as far as I know you could be 13 years old, especially considering your spelling and grammar.

gravytoast

This is definitely a video game first. Pulp Fiction is a movie, and it wasn't a gun that was going up any asses in that one either.

Zeliard

I'll be 17 when GTA IV comes out and I own M rated games such as Call of Duty 4 and Halo.

My parents would say "A game like that? Not in my house. Period". I'm a Christian and so are they, so I personally don't find the sexual or gruesome content very tasteful, but I only played GTA for the storyline and causing havoc in the city anyway, I never once bothered with the sexual content on the side or anything like that. However, my parents, are more conservative than I am, they watch Fox regularly, and they don't like video games very much. It's very possible they will get the wrong idea and the wrong conclusions about the game with a Fox headline like "RAPE SIMULATING VIOLENT GAME RELEASES THIS TUESDAY. ANALYSTS PREDICT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF COPIES SOLD. CONCERNED PARENTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEIR FAMILIES." could easily ruin the chances of me being able to slip a really fun chaos game by my parents :/

gravytoast

and sorry if it seems like I am spamming, I'm just reading all these comments and replying as I see ones I feel needs to have "the other side" to have their word. The other side being MY opinion, I am not insinuating it's everyones.

xBETAx

Hopefully what they didn't do, though, is scrap that entire mission or a chunk of it. Hopefully that censored end result (if that is in fact the end result; no pun intended here either) was simply modified a bit. I wonder if the authorities in AU/NZ would still object to, say, a gun in the mouth. Still vaguely sexual, but probably passable.

Zeliard

You needed a *clapclapclap* for your words, btw.

Komrade_Kayce

Dude, I didn't even catch that pun. Theres no way that was unintentional, hahaha.

Komrade_Kayce

I totally agree - it wouldn't be quite the same - but honestly I assume Rockstar will do a credible enough job of smoothing things out (you have no idea how much effort I put into not making that another beautiful pun) that unless you're /looking/ for the change you're not going to be bothered by it.

@Cunder: Welcome to commenter-dom - quick note, though, you might want to be careful about making personal attacks based on assumptions. Being proved wrong will make you look a little silly, after all. :3

Achenar

toejam316

Thats a load of shit. Thats like blaming big news violence (IE Columbine) on games. Nothing makes a sick fuck go out and forcefully have sex with any man, woman OR child, but said sick fucks own mind. I've played every GTA and I tell you what, I dont want to ever put rockets on my car (let me finish) to blow other people up with, nor do I have the urge to go and pickup a hooker. Nor do I have the urge to go pickup a hooker, let her leave my car then shoot her with an RPG to get my 2 bucks back.

And if I did. No excuse could be made by my actions. I could scream GTA made me do it. But I hate to break it to you, in the REAL world I did it my self.

xBETAx

vln

Something about my parents telling me what to do again... *shivers*. Brings back memories of when I was younger and had to be told what to do by parents. Such a lack of freedom we face as kids, eh?

Zeliard

And while you can try and put it into some context and link it to whatever you saw happen in your version of the game, it just wouldn't have nearly the same impact as viewing it in-game as a direct part of the main storyline (or side-plot).

By the way, this:

I'd like to think a scene that graphic wouldn't be too integral to the plot of the game - but if it is I'm sure Rockstar will fill the hole pretty nicely.

Greatest pun ever, intentional or not.

Zeliard

Whoops you right Zeliard it was actually made for gravy I fully haven't got use to this site seeing as I'm usually a reader then just a poster. Sorry about that buddy.

Cunder

Damn, this is kinda messed up.

Now, picking up hookers, screwing them and then beating them to death with a bat? Totally okay!

Dunny0, Team T/A

xBETAx

@Zeliard: I'd like to think a scene that graphic (assuming it /is/ graphic, so obviously if it's not my point is null and void!) wouldn't be too integral to the plot of the game - but if it is I'm sure Rockstar will fill the hole pretty nicely. It's not as though they're sub-par developers. And while context /is/ everything, presumably anyone looking it up will have the context anyway because they'll be playing the game and aware of the change. :)

Achenar

StartRunning

commanderdeek

Zeliard

So your mad cause your not old enough to have a parent know there is such a scene like this in a game.

When you hit 18 your prospective is gonna change big time so in the mean time. While you complain about a scene your obviously not old enough to see. Think to yourself whose at fault here a kid to young (yourself). Or a game that is naturally violent and sexual. Hmmm

As for the change with AU version. I feel sorry for you all. Though I'm sure there will be alot of importing going around in AU mailing services.Who would even like the idea of a original scene being re edited.

Cunder

hirostroud

I'm American, so I get the uncut version anyway, but come on man. People don't want that scene for the thrill of seeing it. They want it in because it's a part of the game and a part of the storyline. Seeing a clip of it of youtube wouldn't help. Context is everything.

Zeliard

If they didn't care, they wouldn't have removed it from their game.

gravytoast

And pay close to $100 for a video game, that I can't play on my American 360? No thanks.

@Achenar:

Well I can legally buy the game, although I live in their house. I figured it'd be easy to slip a game by, but they're Fox News addicts, and if this dilemma got out of hand, I probably wouldn't be able to purchase the game.

Also, for those who want the scene in the game, surely the scene will show up on the internet somehow, so how's it a big deal if you can watch it anyway? :P

gravytoast

It's just not to my taste - assuming that it's graphic enough to /require/ the cutting, and isn't just offscreen, it just seems to me to be needlessly violent and tasteless.
As others have pointed out - movies and such are already doing it. On the other hand, I don't watch those sort of movies.

It certainly sucks that fellow Aussies who /do/ want to see it won't be able to without importing, and I hope that we get a more appropriate rating system soon... but forgive me if I don't shed a tear because I can't see something repulsive. ;)

Achenar

The Housers probably watched the entire series of The Sopranos, as well as films like Goodfellas and Eastern Promises, from beginning to end several times while writing the script for GTA4. You'll probably find countless references sprinkled all throughout.

There's supposedly an extended Heat-style shootout in one of the missions, which I must say has me rather excited, as that's arguably the greatest shootout in movie history.

Zeliard

IcerDragoon

Elrinth

MattB

Zeliard

MrPerson

That's assuming it's a bat/blade/gun up the arse. There are other ways to interpret the description, but Rockstar wouldn't be dumb enough to try them.

Oh well. It's not a dealbreaker of an edit.

frostcircus

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

I bring the case of Vito to the table, Season 6 of the Sopranos.

At least in Niko's case, his brand of justice seems a little more 'justified'. Vito got a pool cue up the ass and killed just for being a gay mobster.

Komrade_Kayce

Laser_iCE

That sound right?

Luke Plunkett

Luv2Hate

MattB

Dude I wouldn't watch a movie if it had that in it.

Forgive me for not being as desensitized to perversion as the average joe, but I have my opinion.

I was going to get GTA IV but I doubt I'll be allowed to if my parents find out it has THIS in it.

And I never watched Man on Fire. Thanks for letting me know about that, now I won't.

As far as sexual content goes I just thought it had about the same as GTA3-San Andreas had. The masturbation/fellatio/intercourse option with the prostitutes...I thought I might be able to manage, but gunrape? Wtf. That's all I have to say. Wtf. If Fox News gets their grimy hands all over this story, I may never be able to purchase GTA IV.

gravytoast

munkah

Or Sexy Violence!

Cathaoir

Something like this is no different than what you see in movies, so in its own strange way, it actually means that video games are maturing if they can start depicting these sort of things.

In Man on Fire, which I referenced earlier, Denzel's character shoves a C4 charge up someone's ass (in a hunt for revenge, just like this). After he got the answers he wanted from the guy, he still walked away without defusing the charge, letting it blow the guy apart from the inside while he cried out to him.

Needless to say, this is child's play by comparison.

Zeliard

Jest

....Excuse me but, wtf?

gravytoast

fourzerofour

JRONJR

CJ doesn't sound like he's having a good time in that cabin.

dowingba

Cchrist

should be quite the interesting scene!

Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.

That just sickens me.

And way to go Rockstar, we'll see how far Fox News takes this one.

gravytoast

Luke Plunkett

munkah

monkeybars

Xiedo

TheExiledLeader

"...the scene involves a weapon being inserted into an enemies private area during a mission where Niko is taking revenge after one of his close friends was forced into sexual intercourse during his stay in prison."

Ah man that made my night.

dowingba

Zeliard

JoRo1986

Tip: Move the left thumbstick up and down to...

*ugh*

Komrade_Kayce

...Wait, that sounded kinda strange.

T6Spades

NocturnOwl357

Luke Plunkett

iamcool388

allabouttrust