<![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs? - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs? - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> T his seems like a good place to ask question with regards to Mario Kart Wii... I purchased the game here the day it arrived in the USA. I have played the game and noticed that cheaters or seem to be cheaters anyway. I have become pretty good at the game and play almost everyday. This week I noticed that while playing players were flying by me like was standing still and nothing I would shoot at them would affect them in anyway. I played for awhile then got frustrated and stopped playing. I went back later.. the same thing! Players almost half a track ahead of me while I am running a perfect game. I don't understand this? Is anyone else having this problem?

tmturner712

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> This seems like a good place to ask question with regards to Mario Kart Wii... I purchased the game here the day it arrived in the USA. I have played the game and noticed that cheaters or seem to be cheaters anyway. I have become pretty good at the game and play almost everyday. This week I noticed that while playing players were flying by me like was standing still and nothing I would shoot at them would affect them in anyway. I played for awhile then got frustrated and stopped playing. I went back later.. the same thing! Players almost half a track ahead of me while I am running a perfect game. I don't understand this? Is anyone else having this problem?

tmturner712

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I was just racing online and won 2 races in a row. Problem is at the results screen I was shown 2nd both times. I think people have figured out some hacks/cheats.

gixxerblade

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> In addition I am quite happy to use Nintendo online the way it is....its free and i can use the money saved to buy games. Mario Kart wii has pretty good online match ups. I have experienced no lag or overly long wait times (this may change once America gets the game). In addition the game is actually fun. I know of no other game that is so fun on any console this generation. I have gone on mario kart wii to play one or 2 games online and ended up sitting playing for hours.... and i was using the superb Wii wheel.

topbanana

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Mr Dimsum... That is exactly the point I wast trying to make. We have to pay for xbox live and they do nothing about cheaters and hack exploits on their leader boards. While Nintendo do something about the issue and we are not even paying. And yes Live does offer a better service for the coin.

topbanana

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Lemming: Well, then you like bad things. Is Ultraviolet your favorite movie, too?

eastx

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @hahnchen: Most of the new tracks are indeed to large and wide when you've only got four players. Fortunately, there's a great assortment of classic tracks which work really well. Given the current climate, keeping Mario Kart offline was probably not a viable option for Nintendo, unfortunately. I still remember the uproar over Double Dash lacking an online mode.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @L_K_M:Then I take it you're annoyed at the steps they've taken in Mario Kart Wii then. Such as the focus on online multiplayer at the expense of sofa based antics. Such as the ridiculously wide and lonely tracks, and the AI battle mode (although I think this has been rectified).

No, I haven't got the game, but I kind of stopped with MK when it became a party game. Still, there's the DS.

hahnchen

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Ah, one more point: The Ubisoft wheel (which came with GT Pro Series and some crappy off-road racer) works with MK:Wii. MK:Wii needs the wheel to give the player access to the B button, and the Ubisoft wheel does that, so it's a perfectly fine alternative to the Nintendo wheel (it feels a bit more real since it's heavy and has a leather texture, but pushing B is slightly harder). By now it can probably be bought for less than the Nintendo wheel, including a game.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> mr_dimsum wrote: ".. I'd reckon that players with both systems can conclude that they would rather pay for a better online experience than to use the current system that Nintendo already has"
Owning all current-gen systems, I do not pay for Gold. Instead, I buy cross-platform online games for the PS3, or don't buy them at all if they're only on the 360. But then, I'm not really much of an online gamer, I prefer playing against people sitting in my living room on my sofa, because then I can hit them over the head with a pillow if they win. Also, that way I get less people telling me what they'll do to my mother if I frag them.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @L_K_M: Uh... I meant "20 or 30 seconds", not "minutes". 20 minutes would be awfully long :-)

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @dowingba: When playing online against non-friends, you start by selecting your character and the car and automatic or manual. Then, you get matched with other players. When I joined, I got matched with players who were already racing, so I started out watching their current race live. When the race finished, I was asked to vote on which track to race. As far as I can tell, that's all you can do when not racing friends. So no item-specific settings for non-friendcode matches :-(

You can, however, play non-friendcode split screen matches (only two players, though). Note that I haven't actually played a non-friend split-screen race, but the menu lets me select "Global," "Continental" or "Friends" when selecting the two-player mode.

BTW, there's a new item in MK:Wii which is really fun. It's a cloud which, after about 20 or 30 minutes, hits you with a lightning bolt, making you small. If you get that item, it's activated automatically. However, you can get rid of it by touching another player, who then gets the cloud. So it's a kind of "tag you're it" item and a lot of fun because if you notice somebody who's "infected", everyone tries to get away from him, while he frantically tries to find somebody to tag.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @topbanana:

Take note Microsoft? Is this some type of compliment of Nintendo's online gaming network? You must be kidding me.. I'd reckon that players with both systems can conclude that they would rather pay for a better online experience than to use the current system that Nintendo already has.

In regards to Nintendo deleting the records? Come on, it's easy.. Mario Kart Wii isn't even released in North America yet.. Give or take a little bit longer after that, and there would be no reason for them to waste anymore resources on deleting cheaters/future exploits.

mr_dimsum

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> According to GOnintendo.com the cheaters have had their times deleted by Nintendo. In addition Nintendo have also sorted out the exploit. Go Nintendo...and we are not even paying for Nintendo's online.....Take note Microsoft etc.

[gonintendo.com]

topbanana

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @L_K_M: Very, very nice to know these things. I'm excited about the wheel and I'm getting more and more excited about the online.

Question: in non friend code matches, are there any item-specific options? And can you play splitscreen online in non-friend-code matches?

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Lemming: Even without friend codes you can easily not add strangers to your friends list. It's really simple. Friend codes only add a useless barrier.

And as I said before, I have no "IRL" friends who both own a Wii and have broadband internet. How am I supposed to access the only non-broken part of Brawl's online mode? By trolling message boards? No thanks.

So far in my life I've played 2 friend-code matches. One was Mario Kart DS with a "IRL" friend and one was Advance Wars with some stranger whose friend code I got off a random internet forum.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> By the way, some notes on MK:
- If you want to, you can steer by tilting the controller (instead of turning), as in Excite Truck
- The steering wheel is awesome (Bought the game, played it for half an hour, went back to the store to get three additional wheels - the wheels were sold out in the first few stores I tried, manager said lots of people came back to get additional wheels after buying the game)
- 50cc is very easy, 100cc is a bit harder because you're forced to use the bikes, but still not really hard. Took me about 6 hours to finish 50 and 100, won all but one on the first attempt, seems one of the easier MKs so far
- The game sucks in 50hz mode, very jerky (accidentally ran it in 50hz mode first attempt). If your TV can only display 50hz, I'd say avoid the game
- Doesn't use the Wii's friend codes, unfortunately. But you can send your MK code to your friends from within the MK channel (although only to 3 at a time, it seems)
- Graphics are definitely better than on the GC, but apart from a few really pretty levels, it's nothing to write home about
- Firmware update didn't kill freeloader for me, I can still play the bloody version of NMH, yay :-)

So far, I really love it.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Cheating is part of the fun in Mario Kart :-)

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Thanks for using my quote =P I'm honored.

MercurysPhoenix

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Sounds to me like a bug, and hopefully won't jack up things too much like snaking. I'm a former snaker (1:20 on F8 Circuit!), but I've sworn off of it. After not playing MKDS for quite a while I took another look and decided that yes, while the snaker wins the snaker screws up the game and all the fun for every other person.

And on the subject of Friend Codes, they are pretty annoying but I don't think it's a big deal as everyone makes it out to be. However, I've never used Xbox Live (don't kill me), so I don't know what the heaven of online is supposed to be like. I just think it's frustrating that when you and your friend finally register each other, the things that you can then do suck aside from easier matchmaking. Take Smash Brothers for example. Way easier matchmaking, of course. But text messages with taunts? Are you serious?

Anyways. I hope Friend Codes or glitches don't screw up Mario Kart Wii.

Santa_Lock22

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Lemming:

It isn't so much that, but more of ease of access and ease of identification. If I play a game regularly, I'd like to have a simple way of joining (or more likely avoiding) certain individuals. When I'm dealing with a group of IRL friends that moved across the country, I find it much easier to have a unified friends list to see when everyone is on. Yeah, we could pop a dozen emails back and forth with friend codes and schedules, but sometimes it's a hell of a lot easier to turn on the console and see who's on at the spur of the moment.

There are some things that can be defended. Friend Codes simply aren't one of them.

Nikolii

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Sorry, but I really like the friend code system. The fact that some of you are upset because you can't form some kind of bond with who you meet only online only shows me it's even better. I don't want to be 'bessie mates' with some 13 year old I don't even know from across the globe. I just want to play against anonymous people online minus the stalking, trash-talking and general fanboyism that is inherent to an online 'community'. Friend codes mean I can regularly play friends that I know in real life which is a hell of a lot more meaningful. At least I might meet them in the pub later and laugh about it.

Lemming

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Many online games have cheaters. I encountered cheating in Mario Kart DS and Metroid Prime Hunters, and the cheating ruined both of my gaming experiences.

The ones in Hunters are pretty obvious, hiding in the wall and being able to shoot, or infinite he lth and ammo in a competitive online setting. The snaking issue is a bit of a tricky issue because of the fact that while some people(like me)consider it as cheating, others claim that it takes skill to do and is therefore, not cheating at all.

However, cheating is the use of codes, software, hardware, glitches, and other devices to gain an unfair advantage over other players, online and offline.Yes, I know snaking has been in since Mario Kart 64, but that doesn't make it unfair. Unless I see Snaking in the manual as a strategy tip, I will believe that it gives an unfair advantage, and is therefore, shameful.

KM91

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Hehe, thanks for using my quote =P

MercurysPhoenix

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @topbanana: Agreed, me and my mate just played online for about 4 hours straight. Bloody good fun, that game is. I'm glad they allow 2 players on the one console when you play online.

Libo

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> People who cheat online ruin the game for everyone else. This is the first online game that Nintendo has done half way decently, with leaderboards and all. But now idiots are defeating the purpose of even having leaderboards by cheating.

mrplow8

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Mario Kart wii is hands down the best online game that I have ever played! (even with cheaters)

topbanana

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Nintendo should erase their times. I came across this issue when my girlfriend and I downloaded a ghost to beat and he/she did this cheat/glitch. Then about 3-4 others thought they would do it to so now the top 4-5 times for that track are utter rubbish. I hope they do not think themselves clever? They have just got themselves hated by the rest of the mk players. Somthing needs to be sorted out.

topbanana

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Fatass of Kickassness: If you have a fleshed out system ala Xbox Live, you can get away with the occassional glitch because it will get patched up. Nintendo has shown that they simply don't care about online, be it the bordering-on-broken SSBB or allowing time-trial glitches to screw with the leaderboard. And Friend Codes are by far one of the worst ideas ever, as is the basically fragmented, ununified almost ad-hoc system they have set up. The competition is in the modern age, Nintendo is in 1996 in terms of online play and implementation.

Nikolii

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Cheating, glitching: what's the difference?

I'm of the opinion that even if people do find glitches, they shouldn't use them in a race. It's just a lack of manners.

But maybe I'm just old-fashioned like that.

peAr nectAr

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Raziel: Oh and the "no regard for time trials" was more of a joke.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Raziel: No you didn't miss my complaint. I don't play friend matches so I wouldn't know how well it does or doesn't work in that case. Interestingly, the reason I don't play friend matches is because of Nintendo's horrible friend code system and the fact that I have no real world friends who have both a Wii, Smash bros, and an internet connection. I refuse to desperately try and go on forums to get friend codes.

As for random, it's a mess. Both because of incredibly bad lag (and yes, I'm aware fighting games will always have lag) and because of lack of options, etc.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Every Mario Kart has been full of bugs and exploits so I am voting for a bug. But how exactly can Nintendo balance a game with patches when their system doesn't have a hard drive?

Other than just fall back on the claim that Mario Kart isn't made to be taken seriously.

crazyscreenwriter

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Polywhirl: "Actually, the Sudoku thing isn't a cheat. I know the secret, and might even be one of those guys with the absurd time. All you have to do is play a level, and beat it.Then, you copy all the numbers down, and play it again.
Bam! You've beaten it in 20 seconds.
It's really just the fact that the levels never change that allows for such great times on it. Much different than Kart's imbalance."

Bastardmonkeyass! ;-) But... but... THAT'S CHEATING!! I had no idea people didn't realize that doing that constituted bona-fide cheating.



mariospants

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> They could do something server-side to reject times under XX:XX:XX time... ruling out those that are impossible, perhaps.

ajacy

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> First off, nintendo have taken said times down. I would guess they have banned there Wii IDs from posting times.

Second, Mario Kart Wii lets you send and receive friend codes to people via your Wii address book. No fuss.

Third, its easily the best online game Nintendo have done. Its fully featured, and pretty much lag free even when playing peeps from Japan. Probably the only thing missing would be voice chat, but honestly - its a racing game. Do you need voice chat in that? Not really

IanC

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Nintendo have taken the cheat times off the rankings.

And MK Wii rocks online.

IanC

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Anyone remember how bad Xbox live was at first? Anyone? No? Ok...

Tizlor

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Oh how sad. I don't have anything against cheating offline like in GTA but cheating to be on top is just so pointless. It doesn't make you a better man (or women) it just makes you pathetic.

Where's the fun in it? Surely it can't be fun ruining someones honest hard work can it?

Cchrist

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I remember Forza 2 having a glitch that, through no fault of the player, would auto-lap you through the course and give you a time of like .04 seconds or something.

GenMan

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Narsil: I want to get online and play with people and maybe have a little bit of interaction too.

That's fair enough. It's part of the online gaming experience.

However:

I want to be able to keep in touch with them and play them again.

That is difficult if you go throug the Wii system. I agree.

However:

I must seek out some community on the internet where they exchange codes

So you want to communicate with the people who you play with online. But you don't want to get online to communicate with people?

It's not the best system, but I find that exchanging Friend Codes has helped me to get to know the people I play better than some random Friend Request via Live.

Oh, and then schedule sometime when we're both online, so we can actually play.

How is that different than the 360 system? I know the games I play online through the Nintendo system (Brawl, Mario Kart, Pokemon to name a few) there's always an indicator when a friend is online and attempting to start a game.

It seems to be the only DOWNSIDE of the Friend Code itself is that it's impossible to memorize.

TRT-X

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Is it even possible to patch games on the Wii? The issue of storage space aside, could they if they wanted to?

I would kind of like to see a Nintendo game fail. Not just have a tiny little glitch, some big-name title with online that has some problem that breaks the game entirely. Like what happened with Hunters, but worse. Then maybe they would realize that the best part of an online console is that problems in games can be fixed without recall, and without waiting for the sequel.

@Fatass of Kickassness: Friend Codes took an already feeble online system and made it worthless. My family has no interest in playing games together. I cannot always hang out with friends to play with them. Sometimes, I want to get online and play with people and maybe have a little bit of interaction too. And if I enjoy playing with them, I want to be able to keep in touch with them and play them again. With Friend Codes, I cannot do this. I must seek out some community on the internet where they exchange codes and then spend the two minutes per person it takes to get the code(s) into my Wii and then wait for them to do the same. Oh, and then schedule sometime when we're both online, so we can actually play. The point isn't that's it's very difficult to do that, it's that I shouldn't even have to. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. And dammit, I'm an adult and fully capable of not getting raped online through Super Smash Bros.

Narsil

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Once ppl actually play it online all this will go away. I play online games for a looooooong time now and i must say MKwii is one very good online experience.
Its very well done technically and one of those "what the hell, its 5am already" kind of game.

Krumm

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I reckon they'll fix it. Like they fixed Brawl Online.

*Sniff*

dunnace

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Nikolii: Case in point. How exactly does this translate into the online portion of this game sucking?

The Fatass of Kickassness

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I like how everyone here is assuming that, since there's a bug, not only is the game glitchy, but somehow the online is terrible and Nintendo should be ashamed. From what I've played so far, the online portion of this game works without a hitch, and is more feature-filled than some other offerings I've seen on other systems. A shame that there's no voice chat, sure, but since I'm connected to 11 other players almost immediately I'm willing to overlook that.

Nintendo needs a system like this for ALL of their online games from now on.

Anywhos, yeah, this glitch is disappointing, but it's one stage, guys, and it's only applicable in Time Trial mode. Give the whining a break.

The Fatass of Kickassness

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I never understand the pissing and moaning about snaking online. Only one in every 10 or so races I play has someone snaking in it. It's far from overrun with cheating. Of course Brawl only lags for me occasionally too. Could it be that people exaggerate Nintendo's problems because it's cool to bash what's popular and/or for the lulz?

kidnicky

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Polywhirl: There is a place on Mario Kart 64 in Waluigi(?) Stadium that, if you jump just at the right place, you can jump over the wall and bypass much of the track. I've done it, but I found it really hard to do consistently.

Eltigro

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I've heard that the timer resets at 100 minutes. So when you finish the race after 100 minutes, you'll get a time of just a couple of seconds or something.

MNC

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> No way in hell that is gonna ruin my fun. I haven't even tried anything online, im so taken by the single player. :)

Shiryu

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I've had a blast on this game! My friend and I were playing together onine last night for hours, just like we were 16 again, back on the SNES. The good times are here again!!!

Doesn't matter about the bugs, as long as they don't seriously affect the gameplay, which they don't.

I haven't turned my Wii on for ages....now is doesn't look like I'll ever be turning it off!!!

guernica2

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Kind of funny how much Retronauts consisted of talking about the glitches and tricks in the Mario Kart series.

Zeouterlimits

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> They could always just patch the game. Oh, right.

Rectangle

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Yea, I've met my fair share of little hacker losers on Mario Kart DS, they really ruin a good time and actually make it so that I don't even want to USE the online mode. Sad really.

shorty1k

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I used to cheat a bit on PC games. Actual hacks though not just exploiting bugs. But I've since grown up and sorted myself out. Its a really pathetic thing to do and now that I'm older I feel really ashamed about it. But if I didn't admit to it then I'd be a hypocrite too.

TheSmiterer

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @photoboy: "multi-item rape syndrome". I petition Nintendo for this to become the offical term!

GMC

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> KanoBlade

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> It's not a rumour, I have the game...

SetoChaos

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I've not bothered with online yet, but I'm not liking the single player mode. I think MKWii has all the same problems that Double Dash!! had and that it's nowhere near as good as DS or Super. The single player racing is ruined by "multi-item rape syndrome" where you get hit with a blue shell, then just as you recover and start to accelerate again you're then hit with a red shell and then you get hit with a lightning bolt. By the time that's all over, you're suddenly in 5th place instead of 1st and you've got no chance of catching up. I suspect this is because they've just taken the Double Dash!! engine and given it a polish for the Wii and not fixed the broken AI (un)balancing in that game.

photoboy

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Frankly thats less of an issue to me than the fact you can no longer hop without turning, so when you try to move right to hop left it often hops right causing you to hit the wall.

Also, the version of rainbow road is mightily frustrating.

Otherwise its very good, online has been fun so far.

RobTheBuilder

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> The dodgy times in question appear to have been removed.

I just checked.

david78

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Why are people slamming Nintendo for this? Even first party Xbox 360 racers like Forza 2 still get the occasional glitch that hits the top of the leaderboards, when the game was first released it had a TON of glitches that were exploited for superfast times. Obviously they get patched eventually, and MK Wii most likely can't be patched and will at best just have glitched times deleted occasionally, bit still, it's a racing game, they all have glitches.

vantesaur

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> The 'leap over the goalie' exploits in Strikers ruined the game for me online. It would have been a really good experience if it wasn't for that one element which just meant you would never win a game against a random opponenet if you didnt do it. I wanted to play a game of manic football, not a forward-flip sim.
Hopefully this sort of stuff is just linked to the time trials - lets face it, i'm not committed enough to make it to the top table anyway!

GMC

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @dowingba: 3 things:

1. Midway owns the patent to ghost data. Unless Nintendo wanted to charge extra to give Midway a cut of the VC profits, they had to remove it. It had nothing to do with their having been "known to hold no regard for time trials", which I've never heard before you said it.

2. It seems utterly insane to me that anyone in this world could consider Smash's online to be the worst attempt ever at online. Yes, we're all disappointed to some degree, but it's by far and away Nintendo's best attempt yet. Think about it... The most chaotic game EVER has an online mode that doesn't lag at all when playing in "With Friends" mode (barring your friends or yourself don't have hideously terrible connections, lag should be non-existant... says everyone I know and my own personal experience). There are savable replays, with a screencap option... both sendable over the network. There are custom maps that are sendable as well. There are no restrictions on items online (I personally expected this not to be the case). And the biggest thing... we were all warned about the lack of voicechat and the potential lag issues (which I don't usually see personally) before the game was even released via the Dojo, so I have no idea what you (nor anyone else who makes this annoyingly common complaint) could have been expecting to be different.

P.S. If I somehow missed your actual complaint with Smash's online in my above rant, feel free to comment back with it and I'll rescind my statements and offer a genuine appology... promise.

3. I agree whole-heartedly with you on snaking. Couldn't have argued it better myself.

Raziel

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Dragonzigg

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Actually, online play in MKWii is AWESOME, you can't even compare it with Brawl. 12-player Matchups takes about ten seconds to start, never experienced any lag what-so-ever, you get a cool Mii-presentation before the race where everyones Mii is waving to you from their respective countries on a globe, there's a neat ranking score to keep track, there's tournaments etc. etc.

I played it with a friend (split-screen locally, online) online for six hours straigt last night :)

Nico8332

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Klaymen:
Exactly. I was never to good at Metroid (control was a tad to awkward for me) but I still enjoyed most of the online matches I had with it. Now with some guys cheating the system, its like a playground to anyone who has mastered using the glitches.

@dead_red_eyes:
Thank you. I'm glad someone was aware on what ruined MP DS online. And yeah, Nintendo (as far as I know) has never patched any online DS/Wii game. The only thing I know of that gets patched (or "updated") is the Wii itself.

@VergessenHeld:
You didn't really understand what I was getting at. I only said that snaking is bad if you using it around someone who cannot do it (at that time). On the other hand, two snakers against one another can do quite a close race. Although, as you have said, a item can completely ruin a race for a person if it is set or released at the right place.

SanjiX

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> The fun in MK online isn't the time trials, so i don´t really care. Battle mode is sweet.

Krumm

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I don't really mind friend codes actually. It's better than seeing all the lametard handles on xbox live like killaluv420 or 3pickilla187 (you mean someone already took those horrible names enough to warrant a number!? cliche numbers at that...

If Live would wipe their database of still unused usernames. we wouldn't have this problem.

But with so many users on every console it's hard to have unique names for everyone.

Now different friend codes for every game!? WTF.

geves

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> They can only patch the game if it was specifically programmed to be able to be patched...and Nintendo doesn't do that.

Dreamwriter

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> wow, cheating in Mario Kart, has to be a new all time low in online gaming

koji

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Did anyone honestly expect Nintendo to get online right in any aspect?

Seriously. Friend Codes were enough for me to know that online gaming on the Wii was simply not going to be an option.

Nikolii

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @dowingba: Great points, Dow-dow. I have to wonder if the people who think you should be able to zig zag down a straightway actually like other racing games... Oh, but we're not allowed to complain about snaking. Sorry.

eastx

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I'll never understand what one gets out of being on top of a leader board by using cheats. Are their egos in that much need of stroking that they want to be number one in anything, even if it is gotten through such disingenuous means? I guess I feel more sad for the people who cheat than angry about their cheating.

rationalvoid

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> OOps meant to say: "I knew about snaking ,before I bought MKDS"

sorry.

geves

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I knew about snaking before MKDS came out and simply refused to do it. I think a speed burst is well and good for a corner. But abuse is abuse.

Easy fix for snaking set a review system for players. Set a limit (don't want to play agianst player with X rating or lower). DOA has it and it seems to work.

Mario Kart, with the "casual" experience they (nintendo) seem to lean towards. Should've thought of this crap before dating a game. Give me my $millions now.

It's obvious nintendo wasn't/isn't ready for online. They only caved due to demand and expectations.

The wii is simply turning out to be a money making machine with lackluster online gameplay (see DS). And the library is backing that up, another first party system. That fails when online play is added. (see DS)

I love nintendo, but damn. If they held their online play as high as their games. they COULD make it just off first party games. They still do make it, but holy crap! Some reviewer should take their games down a peg for total crap online. But they don't.

geves

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> maiky-nisute

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Gomerboy: For the record (and really I'm not trying to dwell on the snaking) it has affected online MKDS in an absolutely negative way. The same way any "exploit" would affect any other game.

It is something that can only realistically be done with a couple karts, and is not a well-known technique. And using it is enough of an advantage that your unwitting opponent will likely think they are a victim of hackers or horrible lag.

The vast majority of people playing online will just get completely owned by the snaker (and I'm talking, like get lapped, repeatedly) and will have no idea why unless they happen to research it on the internet. Most people, though, will not bother researching it and will simply give up on MKDS' online mode, coming to the conclusion that it is broken (and they'd be right!)

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @StratfordX: I never said snaking was not relevant, I just don't want to read fifty posts about how people who can't snake call it cheating and those who can snake don't.

If you want to talk about snaking, talk about something like how it has affected online play, either in a positive or negative way.

For example, if suddenly there was a glitch discovered in Brawl online where Fox's gun could create one hit kills and now everyone online is using Fox and demolishing everyone who is not, what would that mean in the big scheme of online? Who would end up playing online, and who wouldn't?

Gomerboy

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @StratfordX: No I agree with him. This is a debate that we've all heard a million times in the past like 2 months and there will never, ever be a conclusion to it. It's a greater paradox than religion or politics. Snaking just is. It's like a universal truth.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Gomerboy: um, how is snaking not relevant to a discussion of mario kart online exploits?

StratfordX

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I only play mario kart online to make *me* feel better.

StratfordX

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @VergessenHeld: @dowingba: Before this continues, I beg you not to turn this post into another argument about the pros and cons of snaking. We've heard it all before.

Many, many times.

Thank you!

Gomerboy

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @VergessenHeld: I think the argument is that, in a racing game, turning on a straight-a-way shouldn't be the fastest way to run a race. It was obviously not the intended use of the drift-boost feature.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @SanjiX: Saying that snaking is in some way unfair is like saying that using a rocket launcher in a FPS is unfair. Yes, it isn't fair when you can't use it but you can LEARN to use it. Snaking takes actual skill to do, much like using items or weapons effectively. I've lost races pretty bad to players who know how to use items while I was snaking. Sometimes a well-placed shell or banana peel is enough to fuck someone up.

VergessenHeld

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Does Not Equal: Funny thing is, I really wouldn't mind if the games didn't have online at all. I haven't come to expect Smash Bros games or Mario Kart games to be online. If they never made these games online, I wouldn't even notice.

I just hate to see people half-ass things. Especially Nintendo. For all their stubborness throughout history, Nintendo have never half-assed their games. They always put their games' quality above all else. It even almost killed them in the past (sticking with cartridges on the N64 because they didn't want load times).

But this online stuff either needs to shape up or ship out. I think Brawl is perfect in every way except for one glaring flaw: it's absolutely horrendous online mode. The worst online mode I've ever seen in any game. And I've been playing online games since the 56k days. Hell, I've been playing since the null modem days. Never, ever, have I seen such a half-assed attempt at online.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I think that Nintendo is still being dragged into the online-gaming age.

Remember that they place more importance on playing with family and friends than strangers. They would rather you get together with friends and family and play on the same TV, or have multiple people in close proximity play the same DS game. In that venue, anybody caught cheating would have to endure whatever his peers would inflict upon him.

Online, that can't happen. Maybe that's why they don't care so much about glitches.

Does Not Equal

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I wish they would make these things a little more cheat/cheap proof.

LedRush

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @EVERYBODY:

Most of you guys suck at Mario Kart so it wasn't like you were going to get on the leaderboards anyways.

RonCey

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @dead_red_eyes: Nintendo have been known to hold no regard for time trials (which are one of the best aspects of Mario Kart games). Just look at Mario Kart 64 on the VC. They could have easily added some sort of memory pak emulation but nope ghost data isn't important.

Also, every online Nintendo game I've played has been overrun by hackers and/or cheaters. Take a look at Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. My god it's ridiculous.

Long story short: Nintendo have absolutely no clue how to keep out hackers/cheaters and they probably don't care too much.

Alot of people say "hopefully they get it right next gen" but I honestly doubt even that will be plausible. They just so far out of the loop it's ridiculous to ever imagine a good Nintendo online service.

And by "good" I mean "not ridiculous horrible" like every one of their online attempts have been.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Something tells me that nintendo hired a bunch of real gems for testing the game eh? Back when they had put out the add that is.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @dead_red_eyes: For Japan, the damage is done. Unless they can rig up a title update, there'll be copies of the game with that glitch/bug/exploit. For the rest of the world, though, they could fix it -- but that would probably necessitate a delay.

I have no idea what Nintendo would actually require to fix this, but whatever it is, I hope to god they do. I'm not at all interested in playing this game, but I hate seeing this stuff in any game.

Does Not Equal

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Does Not Equal:

Honestly tho, I don't see Nintendo doing anything about this. If there's only a glitch for the Time Trials, and that's it ... I bet that they'll just blow it off.

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> The record data is stored on Nintendo's servers so it shouldn't be hard for them to just filter these out in the future without patching the game.

xivmini

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Oh? this game came out? Huh... I have apparently come completely apathetic towards the Wii sitting on my TV stand.

BornToFlail

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Does Not Equal: - "Will they try to do a title update (read: patch the game that should have been finished before going to retail) or will they delay the pending releases to fix the problem at the factory (thereby angering legions of Nintendo faithful)?"

My guess is that they *might* fix the game, delay the next couple of shipments and print out a brand new disc. But that also means that they'd have to replace all of the other discs that people are using as well. And let's face it, the 512MB of internal storage isn't that big at all ... so there probably will be no patch. In fact, have Nintendo patched any games online? I've never read anything about that. When I've read about problems with some Wii games, Nintendo usually just fixes it and presses another disc of the game and that's that.

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @SanjiX: - "This reminds me of how Metroid Prime: Hunters on the DS was ruined by its glitches (hiding inside walls and such) and other crazy antics like that."

Yeah ... that really ruined the online mode for me. I thought I was trippin' when shots were coming out of the wall ... but then I did some research and sure enough there's not only glithces ... but honest to god hacks. See the following video below for the infinite health hack (during an online match).


+ Watch video

And other hack with infinite health, infinite ammo, and can fly with b.


+ Watch video

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @SanjiX: Agreed. I wish this didn't happen in games at all. I like going online and playing with a bunch of people who are simply there to have fun. People who abuse the exploits they find in games are one of the main reasons I've all but stopped playing online.

Storage problems, horrible internet play structure, (and, imo, VC problems). I remember when the Wii looked like a golden gem on the horizon. Why Nintendo?! WHY!?

Klaymen

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Personally it's not a huge deal for me. Yeah, it's nice to get tops on an online leaderboard, but it is basically just the same as gamerscore. It's an e-peen contest and nothing more.

It's not going to affect my purchase.

baberg

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Mario Kart is infamous for its "time tricks" about 1/3 of the MK64 tracks were able to be short cutted in a matter of seconds... so its possible someone just found one.

Scazza

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> The Bug Theory seems more plausible... Cheating at Mario Kart is just plain evil...

FP ph15h

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Almost as cool as the infamous "Wario Stadium" shortcut.

I've never been appealed to Time score leaderboards; just because I am embarrassingly terrible at holding any kind of game records.

Fyren

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> This reminds me of how Metroid Prime: Hunters on the DS was ruined by its glitches (hiding inside walls and such) and other crazy antics like that. Then MKDS with its snaking method, which isn't actually cheating, but still gave racers who didn't know how to do it a disadvantage. As for this, its only going to get worse from here. Once specific directions of a certain bug is released, its going to spread like wildfire. And from what I know, Nintendo cannot patch the game. I really don't know why, likely because of no Hard drive, but then we got the good ol' 512 MB of flash memory and SD Cards, but who knows. =(

Maybe Nintendo will get online right next generation.

SanjiX

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Polywhirl: Sounds like Wario Stadium in Mario Kart 64. Only it really wasn't that hard to do.

If you're playing with friends you can do the honor system, but for online scores? Anonymity means nobody cares.

MarquisMark

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @mariospants: Actually, the Sudoku thing isn't a cheat. I know the secret, and might even be one of those guys with the absurd time. All you have to do is play a level, and beat it.Then, you copy all the numbers down, and play it again.
Bam! You've beaten it in 20 seconds.
It's really just the fact that the levels never change that allows for such great times on it. Much different than Kart's imbalance.

Polywhirl

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Ther's this bug that somehow makes the NGC controller better than the Wiimote, they really ought to fix that shit.

Cruithne

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> I use to care about online leader boards.

Then I played Rock Band.

Cuban__B

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> @Polywhirl: And those bugs were always things we could overlook in the past. But once something like that starts affecting online leaderboards, it'll pretty much make the leaderboards for any of those buggy tracks pointless.

Sure, right now there's only probably a couple people up there because of the bug. And you can easily watch the replay and discount their standings based on the bug; but eventually everyone on the first few pages of the board will have the exact same time because of the bug, and the board will become completely useless.

I'm guessing this is one reason they didn't put leaderboards into Brawl. They were worried about things like imbalance in characters being found and bugginess affecting the standings.

dowingba

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> This is why I hate these online leaderboards. When you see scores of Stardust HD in the BILLIONS and Super Hard Go!Soduku times in the 20-second range, you know that no matter how much effort you put into improving your score, it's always going to be beaten by someone who knows a cheat.

mariospants

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Will they try to do a title update (read: patch the game that should have been finished before going to retail) or will they delay the pending releases to fix the problem at the factory (thereby angering legions of Nintendo faithful)?

No-win situation.

Does Not Equal

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> ... ... ... well shit.

I guess I don't care too much for Time Trials, but still. If it's a bug that'll auto-lap you 3 times... well, needless to say, we don't need no friggin' auto-teleportation-win during online races. :(

I'm a sad panda.

TheJinManCan

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Zero_Beat

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Yeah, I'm going with glitch. I remember hearing about glitches in Mario Karts, all the way back to the original.
Like, one guy said somewhere that he discovered if you hit a wall at just the right pixel in one of them, you cut through like half the level. It's probably just some bug Nitendo didn't catch.

Polywhirl

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> How can people be cheating ALREADY!? thats unpossible!

boardstar

]]> <![CDATA[Mario Kart Wii Brings Out The Cheaters? The Bugs?]]> Well, with Nintendo's agressive online "no cheating" policy, this will obviously be very short lived...

Oh, wait...

Gomerboy

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