The Marathon XBLA port has some...issues. Its a valiant effort, but for one thing its a M+K game at heart and they just couldn't quite recreate the control feel with the 360 joysticks. For another the redone graphics, great in theory, actually hurt the atmosphere of the game IMO.

As to it versus Doom, MattB covered that pretty well. But yeah, try this link: [www.calormen.com]

Not that I'm saying you're a "dummy" mind you, but I'm not much of a PC tech and I have Aleph1 running on Win2k, XP, and Vista, so it can't be too hard once you follow the steps. Its too bad they took out the "one-click" installs but I can see how that probably complicated the maintaining of Aleph One.

Actually, Marathon 2 is probably the best of the three, but thats only because it has both a compelling single player story (like the first game but less so the third IMO), and a robust multiplayer. If you can get Aleph One running with the HD texture pack, I think you'll see why I still consider it superior to the XBLA port. Start with Marathon 1 though...and make sure you turn the lights off and the sound up, thats the best way to play that game ;)

Oni...man that game could of been even better than it was. Needed about a year and a half more cooking, if you ask me. Of course, MS is to blame for that IMO.

DaiMacculate

MattB

munkah

megaforte

The pre-Halo game that would probably appeal to me the most is Myth. I have those PC ports of Marathon but couldn't get them to work. Are the other two Marathons better than 2?

You seem to know your Bungie though. BTW Epic are awesome, but not because of their UT games, I love One Must Fall, it was a 2D mech fighter with a decent variety of robots to pilot and a tournament mode with upgradeable states.

munkah

Myth 1 and 2 I *thought* were relatively popular on Windows, but I may be misinformed on that.

@munkah: That's key, you never played them. Thats why it pissed me off so much. It would be like me talking shit about Epic's games before UT because they didn't do them on Mac at all...just totally unfair, IMO.

You should at least go give Marathon1-3 a try, trilogyrelease.bungie.org you can get it for free and it runs great in Windows.

DaiMacculate

Id be surprised if Halo fans even know what a Bungie is.

requiem

MattB

munkah

Thetick27

tehbighead

There is a Marathon project online that has extremely high textures, internet multiplayer instead of just LAN and best of all it is free. You should check it out if you want to have fun playing the old'ol games. =)

Am I the only one that thought MYTH was absolutely awesome?

Patient

MattB

Than again, like another poster suggested, putting "From the Makers of Halo" on the box would definitely help out.

kylo4

TuSoKa67

Maybe they'll take them multiplatform.

Halo PS3 confirmed!

neoraul20

I have an embarassingly large number of old and mostly functional Macs ranging from Q950s to G3s (not including this laptop and my G4, which are still primary machines) laying about, so I'll probably just mess with one of those tomorrow after I get back from the Gym ;)

Also took me forever to download from that link, anybody that wants me to just IM them the file feel free to hit me up at gbarulez999 on AIM or dylan_power on Yahoo...trust me it can't take longer than downloading it from that site; it took me almost 2 hours to download a 32MB file!

DaiMacculate

Karazzin

Kermi

KingDavid73

GOLD5

Apparently Basilisk runs OS 7 fine, which you can download from Apple.

[basilisk.cebix.net]

fuchikoma

fuchikoma

There's precious little of that in Bungie anymore, and while i'm totally prepared to eat my own statements if the next Bungie game comes out and is some utterly badass new IP that isn't an FPS with the halo control setup, i don't have high hopes.

Bungie and my ridiculously fanboyish attitude towards them in the late 90s is long, long gone.

Sunjammer

yes, I said that

I'll definitely check out what Bungie puts out next.

seafisch

S2hedgehog

BoboDaHobo

Scuba Steve

ShirtGuyDom

karmakid

Its old school Mac only- If you don't either have an old machine with a 601/603/604 PPC processor or a working SheepShaver installation, I wouldn't bother ;)

DaiMacculate

i_lie_to_fit_in

DaiMacculate

I try not to hate, but you're just so fucking wrong in this case I can't help it :P

DaiMacculate

SSJPabs

Now port Weekend Warrior to WiiWare if you still own the rights - or I'll shoot this puppy! >:D

@Druffmaul:
Yeah, dual-wielding shotguns and fists! That was great.

fuchikoma

Nexus6

LordMagnusMastah

S2hedgehog

Nothing against MS, tho.

PlayerX

NewPerfection

RPharazonius

They can do what Tom Clancy does and slap their names into every title so there's no mistaking who made it.

Bungie's Halo 3
Bungie's Marathon
Bungie's Oni

/Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. :D

lordargent

Volomon

sephycloneno15

So Bungie, why should I be a fan of you when you sell out?

SigmundTheSeaMonster

Thank you for that comment. I really dislike Halo 2 and 3. Yech. Halo 1 was a great FPS for it's time, on a console, and nothing more. It wasn't revolutionary to me either. It was really fun but the sequels were boring and lackluster. I wish I could have experienced the Marathon games because I personally think that Bungie is purely an average developer. Oni was pretty lame too. So they have only made one really good game and a bunch of mediocre ones.

Sollus

clintonskneecap

Jamisu

KirbyMorph

brianewing

FantasticalZom

Heyyou27

Marathon.

Myth.

Oni.

Halo.

Story of my life.

Ma1agate

munkah

Nexus6

Wolfers

That is all.

Koztah

peAr nectAr

web_man_dan

Anyway, yeah. I'm with Bungie on this one. =P

Druffmaul

LordMagnusMastah

It wouldn't matter if Warcraft was just another everyday average Fantasy world. I would have no problem with that. It's gameplay is even exceptional, as well. But instead, it takes almost ALL of its ideas from Warhammer lore. So let's review, shall we?

Halo = Generic Sci-Fi Shooter but NOT A DIRECT COPY of something.
Warcraft = Warhammer skin, albeit with great gameplay, but nevertheless, a DIRECT Warhammer skin with minor variations to dodge copyright laws.

LordMagnusMastah

Parsifal

Halo 3 MP is as good as it gets online. IMO Nothing touches the Halo experience on XBL.

But what developer pisses all over their premiere franchise by distancing themselves from it and talking only about their new (unknown and unproven) ip?

You don't hear Rockstar whining about how tired they are of GTA. And that they aren't interested in selling another bizallion copies when they make GTA V.

Halo still has legs. I'll start feeling the Bungie love when they start talking about Halo IV.

Would they really be dumb enough to not continue the franchise?

tdevore

Bungie is popular with hardcore Halo/360 fans but they must release their games on the 360 to retain Halo-level success.

reptile168

Warcraft and Starcraft are so BLATANTLY skins of what Warhammer and 40k are. Look, Blizzard makes fantastic games, that's obvious. It doesn't matter that it has Orcs (tons of games have orcs) and swords and medieval crap (TONS of games have that, too). I NEVER SAID THAT WARHAMMER INVENTED THE GODDAMN GENRE! Just look through Warhammer lore and Warcraft "lore." Coincidence?? It is just SO OBVIOUSLY a Warhammer ripoff that I cannot look at Blizzard in a serious light.

I'm not saying that Bungie is DEFINITELY BETTER than Blizzard, but by my personal opinion, Bungie is going about their business much better than Blizzard. /endrant

LordMagnusMastah

DARTH_TIGRIS

Well jeez, friend. I'm sure if they made a Halo 4, it would be good. Though, how long do you expect people to slave over a series. You want it to go the way of Dynasty Warriors?

While your concern is valid, they finished the planned trilogy, and now they want to move on to new endeavors. Broadening your horizons is good.

Side Note: The Halo series was an inverse equation. As the series progressed, the gameplay got better while the story got worse.

ChiltonGaines

I would like some incredible multiplayer team to make Halo a multiplayer-online-only franchise - the plot should crawl up in a ball and die.

I also feel that Bungie either goes back to the good old Mac, or it sticks with M$-consolewise cos without the Xbox Bungie would still be making sub-par Mac games. And Halo wouldnt have even been famous.

Communist_Gamer

You, sir, don't know what the hell you are talking about. It seems that history is a LOT longer than you allow. You can certainly assert that you think Bungie is better than Blizzard; I'm just pointing out that your reasons don't actually support your opinion.

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

LordMagnusMastah

So let's say they want to show attention to other consoles, besides 360. That's whats gonna happen with other games. (Or at least games that they can make without Microsoft breathing down their necks all the time.)

LordMagnusMastah

Remember all the "MS is going to buy Epic" rumors? They were credible because MS needs a new dev to work on Halo 4 and they don't have the people in house to deliver, Perfect Dark Zero and Shadowrun being Exhibits A and B in that discussion ;)

DaiMacculate

Halo didn't copy anything?

Anyways, I'm arguing the statement on recognition, as in brand/name awareness. "Blizzard" has more name recognition than "Bungie" IMHO. Now the brand recognition of Halo vs. World of Warcraft / StarCraft / Diablo, that's more of an argument.

Everybears

Basically, they lost all right to bitch about being confused with MS when they choked down that first check. Fuck them.

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

Though, I think their big Halo fanbase will rememeber the name simply because of bungie.net. I'll be giving them my support though, since I hear Marathon is a damned fine game, and it's good to give people a chance.

ChiltonGaines

Pathways into Darkness and the Marathon trilogy were fantastic games with importance put on story, characters, easter-eggs, and fun gameplay.

Halo is about plasma guns and bright coloured armour.

The reason people don't think Bungie, is that another company could have taken over after Halo and no-one would have noticed.

Durandal

I think their biggest problem isnt making me think about them when i think about halo. Its making me stop thinking about ham sandwiches every time i play ranked Lone Wolfs....Oh and how master chief goes to the bathroom. Is it like a space suit? does he go in the suit? thats what i want to know.

Nate00

LordMagnusMastah

Seriously, what developer in their right mind would walk away from one of the most successful franchises in game history?

Fine to talk up their new endeavors but no reason to exclude the next halo while doing so. You don't see Rockstar pissing on GTA.

I'll get excited about Bungie again when they start discussing halo 4.

tdevore

LordMagnusMastah

LordMagnusMastah

Blizzard says hi.

Everybears

I know they have a big legacy in terms of Mac gaming, but since Halo, did they really bring any originality to the table? Naaaah! A very acute case of sequelitis!

So in my book, Bungie actually lost a lot of credit during the last decade. They better surprise us with some truly great, original new IP.

HerrVorragend

Anyway I hope they're next game will be brilliant, but I think they are refering to people that arn't exactly gamers.

flukielukie

But Ninja Gaiden on DS is incredible. Mainly because of what they accomplished on limited hardware when so many other 3rd party developers are acting like lazy hacks on DS and especially Wii. Now, I'm very interested in what Tecmo does because even when I wasn't a fan, they were known for pushing the technology of whatever console or device they designed for. Treasure is another company that comes to mind as one of the greatest developers in the last 20 years. Treasure can work on a game for an old Commodore Vic 20 and make it do thing you thought were impossible.

Bungie has to be come a developer that is known for superior design and quality regardless of what they do. Just like Treasure and somewhat like Tecmo (Beach Volleyball really is trash)

I can't stress that enough

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

LordMagnusMastah

squish123

[/sarcasm]

ShadowFFVI

Witzbold

Witzbold

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

How about a new IP? ALL WE SEE these days is renewed IPs... Call of Duty -4-, Team Fortress -2-, Halo -3-; need I go on? Let's see something new, and I hope we can see a very strong multiplayer like Halo in whatever they next choose.

LordMagnusMastah

Mr.SithNinja

Derigor

mikecoscia

i remember playing marathon on my power mac 6100 when i was younger and the betrayal of microsofts buyout still has a residual taste in my mouth. I for one cheered on bungie breaking away from the mothership.

hopefully we can see bungie doing what they do best and creating dense universes and amazing games instead of just being the halo factory.

atomicknuckles

Erwin

Nytemare457

*shivers remembering oni*

bobtheduck

JustJake

MisterSleep

meh, don't sound right

Shubachi

JustJake

Captain Impulse

LordMagnusMastah

Gray665

word.

steliosco

Slap Bet

Yeah, I love those guys

;)

-Old and Crotchety PC Gamer

RogerWilco

I am surprised to see all the Oni love...its not that I hated that game, but its such a pale shell of what it could have and would have been had the MS deal never occurred. Knowing bungie that means it might have taken until the last 2 years to release, but OMFG what an amazing title that would have been. I like Halo but I'd trade every thrill I've gotten from that series for a worthy Oni game.

I try not to hold grudges for too long, bad for the heart, but I'm still bitter about that deal...heck I'm still bitter about Square doing FF7 on the PSX, not because it was such a bad game (or worse than it would have been on the n64, even the most hardcore Nintendo fan knows they made the right call going to CDs for those games) but because of the directions it has taken (if not forced) not just the FF franchise but all subsequent J-RPGs games to follow. FMV cutscenes being the very least of those issues for me ;)

Anyway yeah, I hope their next game is awesome, not an FPS (unless its got Durandal in it, then I'm good), and does expand their fanbase, because in general they do deserve it.

DaiMacculate

xXSlayer77Xx

.digiwalsh

KindaGamey

qbix

etchasketchist

MisterSleep

I was going somewhere with that but I had infant-related computer interference ;)

I was going to say I'd venture most of those people either find Halo to be just OK or like me play it mostly because we still feel like we should give Bungie money for past greatness and have a bunch of RL friends who play ;)

DaiMacculate

For me, I think Myth when I hear bungie and blackthorne when I hear blizzard. Man both companies used to be so cool.

Mr.Waffleton

黒天使

But yeah, I'm a FAN of Bungie, but in my opinion, the Halo series wasn't really that great.

trelantana

PissedPS3Fan

alb1221

In fact I think they need to start to distance themselves from Halo slightly. I'm not saying ignore the fan base they have built up or piss them off, but the hardcore Halo players were FPS players and prolly never heard of Bungie before Halo.

If they can develop a new IP and make it compelling to the mass audience then I don't think they will have post-microsoft problems.

Daemonstalker

Darth Navster

Snake726

Nexus-6

Darthearl

dalejrfanfreak

Bernard McGraw

Bernard McGraw

They should be okay, unless they take the Showgirls route to separate themselves from the Bungie from the Halo franchise.

ekkobi

MisterSleep

I don't think Bungie can legally do that since Microsoft owns the rights to Halo, and I doubt MS would want to see that phrase slapped on a PS3 box.

flashtut

I'm a fan of Halo, but I'd find it very difficult to name 2 other games Bungie has made.

karasu is my homeboy

That made an impression on me, I love that company.

Foggynotion

Dauragon C. Mikado

JoDark117

They're gonna need a new, compelling IP to help win them more new fans though, I think the vast majority of people who've played Halo aren't going to be swayed much one way or another at this point; their minds are made up.

DaiMacculate

Playstation

@Caduceus: And when I read "Blizzard" I think of Lost Vikings..

I'm getting old.. -_-

CockroachMan

Halo will be an underground game soon enough, but Bungie FTW.

Black_Ops_19

Rybanis

www.blizzard.com

Caduceus

Personally, I think Bungie is talented enough to pull it off. I am not a fan of the Halo series, but the design choices they made in it definitely makes them stand tall. Chances are if they created a new adventure IP or something to that effect, it would be a day one purchase for me.

DerrickDS

Most people, before Halo, never even heard of Bungie.

I will be buying whatever else they come out with.

ManjiKengo

jack-tha-reaper

FP ph15h

Heyyou27

PhantomVI

Derigor

Cchrist

StopTheOncoming