<![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3 - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3 - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> My biggest worry for this title was that it would feel anything like BioShock. I cannot stand BioShock and even the mention of it in this preview knocks the wind out of the sails for me. Oh well, one less game to buy.

Muisee

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Spoony Bard:
You need DosBox to run Fallout?

@WhiskeyJak:
Yeah, the dialogue screens were especially impressive. They really did a great job using as few words as possible, and nicely unamiguous choices.
That's good, right? Right WhiskeyJak?

@liquidnumb:
I wasn't aware character interaction was unique to Fallout. Maybe Flynn's experience with RPGs is equally limited?

@Spartan1308:
Is that the modern idea of what an RPG is? Apparently money isn't the only thing suffering from inflation.
I suppose that explains why character interaction apparently isn't considered relevant in an RPG preview.

@splines:
That's funny. I also fucking adore Fallout, and remember it most for what actually made it good not what a bunch of jerks decided made it classic.
I merely disagree with you on what made it good and who those jerks are. Fancy that.

@Sunjammer:
Necessity? When RPGs with FP view predate isometric RPGs? I'm sure that makes sense to you. Don't let the aliens probe you in the ass.

@Rohit_N:
Look fanboy, it's very simple. You can either agree that you are wrong or you are a self-important, elitist prick. Choose wisely.











Krey

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @3inst3in:
form what i read unlike oblivion the world doesint lvl when u do which imo better that way.


16WHEELA

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> In GI mag. It said that the world wount lvl as u lvl up, unlike Oblivion. Thank good.

16WHEELA

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sunjammer: Afraid to use reflexes? I guess you don't know that FPS's are my second love to RPG's. Oops. Love with a perspective? Maybe. If you want to enjoy the world and lore of Fallout from a first-person perspective, be my guest - just don't expect everyone to do so. I guess that's all I'm really try to say.

Rohit_N

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Rohit_N: You're not true. You are in love with a camera perspective and fear having to use reflexes. That is your dogma, not Fallout's, which did it out of necessity.

@PeteRR: You still have no basis for any of your arguments.

Sunjammer

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @orangedude: I'm trying to dilute the saccarhine sweet "I'm really excited!!11eleventy-one!" posts. I'll leave you to your daydreams of Fallout 3 goodness.

PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @muscrat_01:
I've played both FO1 and FO2 many times (and even FOT once), and I'm really excited about FO3.

orangedude

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @PeteRR:
If all you're gonna do is bitch, go to the cesspool that is the Bethesda forums for that. No one wants to hear your endless ranting/negativity around here.

orangedude

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Kanik:
It's coming to 360/PS3/PC.

orangedude

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @JustThisGuy: Deep Space Nine was solid and Voyager was decent too. Both post Roddenberry storys.

Only a play through will tell. Would be nice if the hardcore Fallout fans are not disappointed but, overall I'm looking forward to giving this one a go. I do hope the story holds up though.

brandonf

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Dappa:
Of course not. You do know what turnbased means, right?

Of course, Fallout 3 isn't all killing and nuclear mutations. You also have the added pleasure of being able to upgrade you character using experience based skill points to bump up your various skills.
Oh, great! Here I was afraid Fallout 3 would be just a post-apocalyptic FPS, but you can also upgrade your character, making it an awesome RPG!

It's nostalgic yet at the same time seems so fresh and new because we rarely see that style of design in modern games, especially FPSs.
Wait, so it's an FPS after all? Talk about sending mixed messages.




Krey

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @godot: epic!

rainofwalrus

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I don't know, Oblivion was a horrible RPG, it was a badly designed action adventure with a terrible combat system and topical dialog that did nothing to change the story. No multiple outcomes for any quest, except for "you either did it or you didn't".
Fallout deserves better than Bethesda, nothing about it seems right. Maybe I am to be proved wrong, but honestly I seriously doubt Fallout 3 will stay true to its roots (they've already cut out alot).

enspik

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I'm beyond skeptical, we're going from the dev's who made the greatest story/plot rpg games (in b4 FF) where in the 1st you can convince the final boss to kill himself, in the 2nd have a relatively unoticeable ennemy npc quote "Tiger and the lamb" and make trouble in the derrick, slaughter any character at any time with consequenses, do anything not limited to inverse stealing with active bombs and have long interesting/unique convos with dozens of npc's. Now this is in the hands of the guys who brought you "-Heard any rumors? -Goodbye." and a shallow as **** unoriginal story, in which freedom meant = big map. and you can pick things up.
What I mean to say in my rant is that what made the title good was actual freedom, atmosphere (not looks, feel), and story. It was the ability to do anything in a decaying world of npcs who talked, where inhuman things were more often then not misunderstood than evil, and where Mark Morgan still made music. I dont see this happening.

HomeBoyGourd

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I want to read this sooo badly but aside from the screenshots I've already gazed upon, I'm planning to avoid F3 spoilers at all costs. I want to see it in all it's greatness the day it launches, and have no idea what I'm in for.

unmarkedone

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> My only other question is, do they still have the whale and bowl of petunias?

(Fall Out 2 and H2G2 fans know what I'm talking about)

TheBunny

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Hell hath no fury like a Fallout fanboy scorned.

The NMA types are amongst the most elitist, self-important pricks I've ever had the misfortune of arguing a point with. They steadfastly refuse to agree that what actually endured about the series wasn't the combat or even SPECIAL, it was the plot, the characters and the themes.

Try explaining that having the IP resurrected by someone with the pull and talent of Bethesda is like opening some unholy gate into the lower floors of Dante's Inferno.

Honestly, you've never seen such slavish devotion to a game series as you will with these people, and it's pretty much pointless to try and argue a point with them.

I fucking adore Fallout, and remember it most for what actually made it good not what a bunch of jerks on a forum decided made it a classic. Kudos to Bethesda for not giving in to the fundamentalists, and making a game the rest of us can enjoy too.

splines

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @BurningShed: Have you read any of the previews? VATS is a glorified telescopic scope. It does nothing else. The game pauses while you use it. FU-3 is not a turn-based game in any way, shape, or form.

PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Maybe the V.A.T.S. system will let you play the game turn based, pure FPS, or some combination or the two, depending on how you want your fallout to play? Just because some people can play it their way, does not mean your way won't work

BurningShed

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Sunjammer: When you change the very nature of a successful franchise, the onus is on you to show that what you've done is an improvement. Making Fallout into a twitcher's paradise, eliminating turn-based combat, and eliminating isometric view are not improvements. Why did they do it? To make 14y/o retards happy.

An RPG uses combat as a means to an end, to advance the story. FPSers use the story to justify the combat.

Fallout 3 will clearly be in the latter category and will be on the same level as Fallout: Tactics without F:Ts charm.

PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @TechnoDestructo: Yes, but Roddenberry had his hand in the production/idealization of every Star Trek franchise/movie before he went senile/death. The ones without him (Enterprise--cough, hack) were, IMO, not very good at all.

I'm confident this will be a good game. I'm not confident that it will be a Fallout game. If they had one of the main four designers behind the original two games (or if development was being handled by Obsidian) I'd be much, much more confident--but, AFAIK, none of the original team (Cain, Taylor, Boyarsky, Anderson) are working on this game.

JustThisGuy

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Well, I saw the dog and now comforted. Fallout franchise holds a fond place in my memory..

Fyren

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> JustThisGuy: And Star Trek isn't Star Trek without Gene Roddenberry. Thus far it sounds like they're doing a good job. As long as everything, every detail, is logically consistent with what was established in Fallout 1 and 2 (ignoring Tactics because some things in that didn't really make sense, and Brotherhood of Steel because jesus christ), and it maintains the same grim sense of humor, I'm content to call it a "real" Fallout game. And if they offer non-first person, turn-based gameplay as well, even if it's just optional, all doubts will be erased. It's a tall order, but it isn't impossible, and there is no evidence thus far that they won't deliver.

TechnoDestructo

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Preordering tomorrow.

Rebelphoenix83

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Zaii: The author admits not being a Fallout fan, so he is probably missing some nuances. (Like the fact that the Super Mutants and Ghouls were completely unrelated, and that the most common foes were all either regular humans or mutant animals, and the MAIN foes were all humans or some kind of super mutant.) But since this is supposed to be set in the East Coast, and the Brotherhood of Steel formed on the West Coast, I could see "causing trouble" as being a potentially accurate assessment, since they could be outsiders.

TechnoDestructo

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> The argument heats up.

@Sunjammer:
"If you didn't think Oblivion was an RPG, you apparently don't know what RPGs are.
"
Oh, really?
Of *course* RPG doesn't mean turn-based. However, I tend to like them that way, since real-time almost always means that the player's 1337 twitch skillz are tested rather than his ability to statistically develop a character in order to adopt his strengths and weaknesses to the world - one of the *very* important factors of...hey!! An RPG!!

"Any true Fallout fan, and by true i mean those that fell in love with the world and the lore, will look on the screens released for Van buren and sigh with relief, because that game looked like fucking garbage from the bottom up."

Fucking whoah - how dare you.

*Yes*, fans fell in love in the world and lore, but they also loved the game for being a RPG - y'know, those games focused more on character skills than player skills?

"Looked like fucking garbage?" Forgive the "rabid fans" for not being blatant graphic whores like you.

And there's a reason the game looked unfinished. BECAUSE IT FUCKING WASN'T. Would you like to play Bethesda's Fallout 3 a year before its release? I *hope* you wouldn't - you'd call it an unfinished game.

Play the game and enjoy it if you wish, but don't *ever* accuse the fans, including me, of not being "true."

@JustThisGuy:
Smart design to me. Don't count on it being implemented.

Rohit_N

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> This game sounds better and better the more I read about it.

Strangelove

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sounds interesting, but I think it's going to be a bit too RPG for me based on the combat you described. I was hoping for more of a Bioshock style game where the combat is real time shooter style combat and there were RPG elements where you get to make choices about how to develop your character's weapons and powers. This just doesn't sound nearly as good.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> And my third post in a row! Apologies to all.

On topic: I don't think this character creation system is all that great. It just kind of sounds like an glorified, extended, and overly drawn-out version of your standard "juggle numbers, assign stats" game spreadsheet.

It would have been more interesting if the creation system was more organic--like if your abilities were dictated by the toys you decided to play with as a child, and how you might have implemented them (e.g. a stubborn insistence on putting the square block through the circle would give you a "bullheaded" type trait, and perhaps decrease your intelligence).

JustThisGuy

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Sunjammer: I would like to point out that Ion Storm Austin had several members of LG on staff when they developed Thief 3. Unfortunately, Bethesda does not have any of the original Black Isle crew onboard.

I would have been a lot more confident about a new Fallout if, say, Obsidian was behind the development.

JustThisGuy

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @brandonf: Well, great. But I would contend that there isn't a "Black Isle version" of Fallout. Black Isle is Fallout. This new Bethesda game--while great-looking and certainly interesting (I'm certainly going to purchase it whenever it hits)--is emphatically NOT Fallout.

Fallout just isn't Fallout if the Black Isle folks--Taylor, Cain, Anderson, Boyarsky, et al--aren't involved. It's their universe, their creation, and their collective child; it's telling that both Fallout games had the exact same core team, more or less. At best, this Bethesda game is just studio-produced fan fiction.

Boyarsky said that he felt as if "his ex-wife sold their children which she had legal custody of", and--in a way--I feel the same. Like I said, I'm still going to purchase, play and (probably) enjoy the game; however, I also foresee myself being a bit disappointed, wondering what could been were the original authors involved and how they would have done things for the better.

JustThisGuy

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @NukaCola: Wow, "standard FPS RPG action"? I wasn't aware we had a standard

Sunjammer

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @PeteRR: Every argument you make is crap. You know absolutely nothing.

This is like the TTLG community outcry over Ion storm picking up Thief 3. There's no way they can do it right! It'll just be a dumbed down fps! Turns out Thief 3 wasn't bad at all and actually improved on the formula in some key ways.

This is, to reiterate the knowledge garnered by most people who don't have their heads too far up their own collective bunghole to realize the grim reality that surrounds them, a game by Bethesda; one of the most successful and ambitious RPG developers of our era.

If you didn't think Oblivion was an RPG, you apparently don't know what RPGs are. Fallout 3 will let us play out a character in a detailed interactive setting populated by characters that react differently to you based on your prior actions and social standing, variables you can change through interacting with them in dynamic meaningful ways. Blam, RPG.
If you think an RPG means turn based you're out of your mind.

Waaha waaaah it's a shooter! You did.. Of course.. Play Fallout 1 and 2, two of the most violence-centric pure RPGs in memory? To say guns were a part of the Fallout gameplay is a gargantuan understatement. Fallout was always a series of well written dialogue punctuated by spectacular violence, one way or the other. Wether it's realtime or not basically matters eff all.

Any true Fallout fan, and by true i mean those that fell in love with the world and the lore, will look on the screens released for Van buren and sigh with relief, because that game looked like fucking garbage from the bottom up. They were so early in development, so undermanned and so underbudgeted there is literally no way Van buren could've become heir to the timeless badassery of its predecessors. Thank god that project is dead.

Now we're getting a proper realization of the world, by dudes that are genuinely talented at worldbuilding. What the fuck are you on about VATS for.

Sunjammer

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I hope it still has the Bloody Mess trait. It was nice to customise a character with entertainment value in mind.

MajorMcMuffin

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> LOL @ everybody, honestly you have NO idea how the combat system in Fallout 3 works. It's just real time with pause. You don't have to switch into VATS if you don't want to, which makes it standard FPS RPG action fare. THERE IS NO TURN-BASED IN THIS GAME.

NukaCola

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I love FO and FO2. But I couldnt care less about turn based combat. It was fine in 98 but I would fall asleep if I had to wait for 15 rats to do their turns before I can kill 2 more before my AP is gone.

For me FO has always been about the setting and it seems they getting it just right.

\o/

lariotone

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @WhiskeyJak: Read it and weep:

"Do you just play it shooter-style, guns blazing? Or do you take the time to pause and use V.A.T.S (Vault-tec Assisted Targeting System), which approximates, sort of, the turn-based combat of the original Fallout games by letting you spend action points to target specific body parts. The latter will provide more precision, and will assist those who are shooter- or twitch-challenged. And thank god for V.A.T.S., because without it, well, the game really is just a shooter. Which is another thing -- or maybe the biggest thing -- that is pissing off the angrier of the nerdcore fans. We asked if you could just play the game and win without ever going into V.A.T.S, and the answer was "yes". You can run and gun your way through this game if that's how you want to do it. And I don't know how I feel about that yet either. Maybe I'm an angry nerdcore guy too."
[www.1up.com]

Van Buren was the dream. Bethsoft is the lousy reality.


PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> It's everything that I have been waiting over a decade to play. For a game to satisfy those sorts of expectations.... WOW.

imaria

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I better still be able to tell everyone to fuck off and call them an asshole. If they dont have heavily profanity laden dialog options it would take away from the game a little bit.

J0hnny-Kickass

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Wow, what games did I play? Mostly fighting ghouls? I think the better question should be "What Fallout games did Bethesda actually play?". Seriously, they still need to give us a valid explanation for fighting super mutants on the East Coast. :/

Algebraic

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Rebochan: Heh.. It might have been a fun way to introduce a perk to a player character while it's still just an infant.

Of all that Flynn wrote, I'm mostly relieved he found that "subtle humour is evident throughout." Oblivion did many things well, but it never provided much of a laugh. I can't think of many better ways for Bethesda to win fan confidence than to capture Fallout's dark humour.

godot

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> the next bioshock?

i_lie_to_fit_in

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @MaxS:

I'm hoping these are all assumptions made by the player about the first few specific situations he encountered.

It may never have occurred to a player new to the franchise to explore character interaction.

Also absent was the distinction between ghouls and mutants. The distinction between the two has always been pretty huge in Fallout.

liquidnumb

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @godot: You know, the way this series has gone, I could actually see that happening.

Rebochan

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Derigor: And @[kotaku.com] Bam35. I'm sorry guys, I'm not being scarcastic. The whole looking at the world from 200 feet in the air at a 55 degree angle while I click to slash/shoot just insn't my bag anymore. I'd much rather have a go at what Bethesda is coming up with than the incredibly dated (even for 2003) Black Isle Studio version.

I'm not meaning to offend, everyone has their own style preferences. It's just that the Black Isle version isn't my style anymore. They looked to be living in the mid to late 90s with their design while at the same time Bethesda had already put out Morrowind.

brandonf

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Baby falls off table. How does it land?

On it's head... INT -3
On it's feet... DEX +3
On it's hands... STR +3
On it's face... CHA -3
On it's pillow... LUCK +3





godot

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Looking forward to play it in my PS3.

neoraul20

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @brandonf: That looks like NWN but Fallout. How is that a turd? that looks damn fun! Wonder if there is a total conversion for NWN to do that.... hrm....

Derigor

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @geekgrrl: During the growing up stage you basically generate your character, so the stats distribution you choose, along with any perks and skill levels will influence what you'll be able to do during the game.

Short answer - yes ;)

As for the Flynn's write-up - while being excited about what I've heard, it was like a fucking slap in the face each time he mentioned something like "main enemies are ghouls", "BoS being baddies", "regular first person mode" and praising the combat and levelling without as much as a word about character interaction. ;_;

MaxS

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @PeteRR: Come bakc when you have a real argument to elaborate on or when you have proof of what you're saying, otherwise it is just a loss of blog space.

I'm not saying what you said is not possible, I am aware that it could happen, but I'm also aware that everybody could be wrong on everything until we've seen what the game is really like.

Meanwhile, what we HAVE seen is absolutely awesome (IMO of course).

WhiskeyJak

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I'm so frustrated by the lack of public footage :( Surely they must have SOMETHING they'd like to show the fans? The Oblivion demo videos made me insanely excited for that game, and while it's not as if i'm not crazy excited about another Fallout (FALLOUT!!!) as it is, i wish they'd put my lingering doubts at ease with some of the stuff that's wowing all the press.

From the first moment of harassing Bethesda stand employees over and over and over every day of E306 for a FO3 poster (didnt work) until now, this game has me foaming at the mouth.

I can't wait. Literally. It hurts.

Sunjammer

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sooo, it's like a hybrid cross between Oblivion, Bioshock on land, and "I Am Legend?" Sounds awesome!

JoRo1986

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @brandonf: This is my 3rd post in a row but, you ARE being sarcastic right? right?

Bam345

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Derigor: :O That's it, the game is retartedly full of freedom, you basically play a different game if you get unlucky or super lucky. Fallout 2 was the most broken game of all time (and not just in the ways mentioned, there was a bug in almost EVERYTHING in the game), yet that's part of what made it amazing.

Bam345

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @brandonf: Yeh, but doesn't 'the environment is a fictionalized Washington DC that has been ravaged by nuclear war' imply that the area is small and there kind of (for want of a better word) linear compared to other Fallouts where travelling from one place to another could take months. Also I think you meant Elder Scrolls, because in Oblivion it wasn't the same at all, since people level with you. In fallout 2 I've died well over 300 times just because of the sheer randomness, whereas in Oblivion I've died twice from jumping off places. Also, I used the weapons guy from New Reno as an example because he was surprisingly easy, I fought him just for the lulz, I knew I would die, but when I killed him in a few shots with my shitty shotgun and got 4 times the amount I could carry the game really opened up. God I suck at putting my point into words >_>, just try to make sense of what I wrote.

Bam345

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Bam345: Ahh I remember in fallout 2 I came across a random encounter that had a cave. so after the villagers fought the dogs, I went into the cave... what's in there? Slavers fighting deathclaws or something ridiculous. Dead slavers = free gear if I could survive... yea one had a gauss rifle. I think I was around lvl 3 or 4. The game was retarded after that, I loved it.

Derigor

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Witzbold: Sup Witz, have you seen the turd Black Isle Studios was comging up with before Bethesda wrestled it away from Interplay? (Thank you Bethesda)

[en.wikipedia.org]


+ Watch video



brandonf

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Bam345:Have you not played Oblivion??

brandonf

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @kelptocratic: You forgot Child-murderer and Slaver.
Some how I dont think any of that cool stuff would fly by the ESRB these days, that or they have no idea what fall out is, would hear the music and love it and give it just an M Rating. Cause if they saw all the things I did to people in fallout 2 they would have a heart attack.

I hope you can get party members. And I hope you can get super mutants like in fall out tactics. Super Mutants + power hammer = WIN

Derigor

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> darvos

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I love Bioshock. From the sounds of it, there is no way I won't love Fallout 3 even more, possibly making Bioshock obsolete.

Don't let me down, Bethesda.

Xiatter

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I don't know, I'm still EXTREMEMLY skeptical, there's been barely any word on what made fallout, the freedom. Like, are we going to be able to find New Reno by mistake at level 4, somehow manage to kill the weapons dealer, and get some of the best weapons in the game so that we can be more broken than my index finger on my left hand is right now? We had damn better be able, or else it just won't be Fallout.

Bam345

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> im glad this is turning out well. Fallout was one of the first games I remember to use the art deco vintage art style and combine it with a post apocalyptic setting. Everything i've read about it so far makes it sound so much cooler than Fable2, even tho molyneux has been tooting his own horn for so long, i dont know one amazing thing about that game besides the fact that theres a dog companion.

asTer0id

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @colemanm:
It's like when XPlay called Beatmania a Guitar Hero ripoff. I just chalk it up to noobs pretending to know their stuff.


fuchikoma

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Let me go dive into a Fallout shelter as the hordes descend with their firey trolling.

Rebochan

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @WhiskeyJak:

Why hasn't Bethesda talked about those aspects? Because Fallout 3 is going to be a FPS with just a speck of RP elements.

PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> GTA IV, Fallout 3, and Spore.
These are the games the future is made of.

KindaGamey

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Azriel77: Huh, dude, I may have missed it, but up to now I haven't seen any previews reporting on characters, specific dialogues, the themes (other than the post-nuclear thing) and the RPG aspects, so how can you say they're not there?

The lack of report on those elements is very different than the non-existence of the elements themselves.

Wait and see I say.

WhiskeyJak

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Pimliconite

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sorry, While the FPS sounds interesting there is just one thing. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN RPG! I have been keeping up with what little info is out there about fallout 3 and fear that they are taking out the very things in fallout 1 and 2 that made them popular. I am not talking about going from 3rd to first person. that is fine, I am talking about the environment, the adult themes(drugs/prostitution/sex/slaves..etc) in the game, the dark humor, and the R-P-G aspects. All the indications is that they are disneying F3. They are taking out the elements that MADE the fallout series and replacing it with lots of gore. That is not fallout, thats some other game with fallout in the title. Oblivion with guns.

Azriel77

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Does anyone else find it kind of annoying that people always say "Fallout 3's art style looks like BioShock"? I mean, it _does_ look like BioShock, but it's more appropriate to say "BioShock looks like them there old Fallout games." The 2 original Fallouts did the "art-deco in world gone to hell" environment art long before BioShock...

colemanm

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @TheLandmark: you realize that Wasteland and Fallout are from the same company. I'm pretty sure you can't call that a rip-off.

WhiskeyJak

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> fapfapfap...

scrappy

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I WANT THIS NOW.

KiySeph

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Most promising report yet; my shattered fanboy dreams aside, this is finally starting to look like more than the cliche "Oblivion with guns" build we've seen so far.

That said ,I'm still going to throw my lot in and say this ghouls-as-zombies thing is stupid. I liked them much better as a bunch of permanently decaying but otherwise amiable retirees.

cynopt

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> saweeet! stoked for this game, kinda dabbled in the first 2 fallout games, have the feeling this will steal a good few months of my life.

ungivenglory

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @phrequency: Good call. It definitely looks like the movie poster.

I really like what they're doing with character creation. Really innovative and I've never seen anything like it before. The game even rarely and barely remotely close to a start like this was Fable, when you see the character grow up.

This game promises to be all kinds of awesome. Give me this, Gears II, GTA IV and Fable 2 and I'm set for the rest of the year.

DaPress

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> This is going to be one of the top titles I must own this year, right next to the likes of MGS4, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and Little Big Planet.

sascha23

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Ill just trust bethesda to NOT oblivionize this game. I mean come on its not like they dont know theres a huge name to live up to when they picked up Fallout.

Zenian

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> After that preview, I'm REALLY excited to play this game. Never played Fallout 1 or 2, but it sounds like that probably isn't an issue.

billygoat117

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I just pray that Fallout 3 carries on the insane amount of situational possibilities which made the first two so much fun to play (and play them I still do).

Where else can you become a Champion Boxer-Pornstar-Mine Owning-Drug Addict-Cult Following-Cyborg?

Nowhere, that's where.

kelptocratic

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Did you just imply that it's an FPS?

Is it mostly action based? Maybe even more half-action like Crisis Core? Don't tell me AP is like bullet time now...

fuchikoma

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> OMG! Fallout 3 sounds like it may be the best game this year! I can't wait to get my hands on it.

HaydenTenno

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> that pic sort of reminds me of "i am legend"

phrequency

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> OMFG there better be power hammers... Looks like I'm buying and Xbox 360 just for this game

Argyle

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sounds great and it will be a day 1 purchase for me but I doubt they will get it out this year. For some reason I see this being delayed although the screens and impressions make it look like its pretty far along.

Gray665

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @TheLandmark: uh, you realize that fallout is a remake of wasteland...

StratfordX

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @nonpareil:
From the looks of it it seems to be Oblivion with guns.

So I bet it'll get boring after about an hour, but I loved Fallout 1 and 2 and even Tactics so i'll remain cautiously optimistic.


Tizlor

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Oh man, poor Peter. I'm sure he'll be devastated to hear Fable 2 isn't the first RPG with a DOG being an intelligent companion...

Demaar

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @nonpareil:

Can someone please tell me if this is an RPG with FPS elements or the converse? Is it like Oblivion-style gameplay? I've never played any of these games, and this one looks interesting.

nonpareil

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @coalhalo: Holy crap. Excitement level increased tenfold.

Unknown-User

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @ManiO, @Pantsman: Not even humans, really. I remember thinking I was singlehandedly responsible for the steep decline in the Mutant Pig Rat population, much less the wasteland's largest purveyor in Fine Radscorpion Tails. Ghouls were way off the scale. :(

Jazhuis

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I hope the dog is a cybernetic dog like from fall out 2. Cause that dog tore some $#!^ up.

also, moar shotgun lesbian weddings. and please let the slavers be in the game too. I love me some slaver action. Lets sell my wife for a rifle! OK!

Derigor

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @muscrat_01:

I played the crap out of them and I'm super duper excited about Fallout 3. There's really nothing that Bethesda did or showed or said that worries me. I don't mind the change or perspective, it makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm pretty sure they will nail the rp elements, if only because I'm pretty sure the guys at Bethesda are talented and intelligent and they are aware that the rp elements are at the core of Fallout

And I'm not worried about the "Oblivion with Guns", because, in some ways, yes it's going to be "Oblivion with Gun", but in a good way.

WhiskeyJak

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> It's looking great!

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I just hope to god the leveling system wont be like oblivion.

Hylian

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> It's going to be good, I'm sure. And I'm genuinely looking forward to it.

But there was pang in my insides when I read that write-up. There was a small part of me that longed dreadfully for the classic turn-based combat in Fallout. Ah, well c'est la vie. Out with the old and in with the new.

I'm just hoping the social parts of the game are going to live up to the previous Fallouts. It was cool having an obvious effect on the people of the world based on my actions and yes, it's there in Oblivion, but if felt superficial. Not so in Fallout.

Fishballs

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Fallout 3 is a release date buy for me, even if that date mutates into sometime in 2009. Bethesda is a local developer and I'm big on supporting local business if possible.

@Unknown-User:

It has been announced for the pc,360, and PS3

coalhalo

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Said it a thousand times (or three?) before and I'll say it again Fallout 3 is GOTY.

Played the first two a couple of times and I love them (high up there in favorite games with Planescape Torment and Oblivion and Bioshock and Riddick and COD4).

I'm really glad that Bethesda are the one who picked the IP up. I'm really confident that they can pull off the Fallout flavor, plus we know that they can do awesome RPG's on consoles.

My 360'd better not crap out on me while I'm playing this one!!!

WhiskeyJak

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Ohmygodohmygodohmygod...

I just....... ohmygod.

Joy. I can play the shit out of GTA4 and finish up just in time for this.

Thanks for the writeup Flynn.

kelptocratic

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Man, I wasn't that interested in this title but if the game is as immersive as it sounds from that preview then I'm going to start paying more attention.

rawg

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Dogmeat is in this one? I had read they were going to leave him out.

Rurik

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> How many people super duper exited about Fallout 3 have played Fallout 1 and 2?

Im looking foward to it, but im still cynical. I dont want Bethseda to make it into an action heavy adventure game, like Obvlion that is lite - or non existant on the Role Playing elements...... Because thats what Fallout has always been known for... being an RPG.

muscrat_01

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Can't wait for this one. May have to freeze myself like Eric Cartman did while waiting for the Wii to come out. But then again, he woke up 500 years later in a world of talking sea otters, so maybe not.

DugDawg

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Can't wait for this one, may consider freezing myself in ice like Eric Cartman did when waiting for the Wii to come out. But then again, he woke up in a world of talking sea otters, so maybe not.

DugDawg

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @ManiO:

Yep. In the older fallout games, there were probably more friendly ghouls than enemy ones. Looks like Bethesda's still trying to turn the series into the ususal black-and-white, knights-in-shining-armour-vs.-scary-ugly-things theme of most RPGs. Should've seen this coming when they made the BoS into heroes, I guess.

Pantsman

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> T_T

I'm so happy.

Krackatoa

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I never played any Fallout games and I was in the same boat as Flynn. After reading this though, I'm pretty much on-board for this release.

KuribosShoe

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @huginn: mmmm, Wasteland. few things in gaming compare to the first time you use an automatic rifle in Wasteland. I remember coming off of Bard's Tale II and thinking, "wait WTF? the encounter is over? I only fired the machine-gun once!"

LOL. good times.

rainofwalrus

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I really want to see this on the PC...any chance of it happening?

Unknown-User

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Best news ever!

First pic confirms that "Dog" from Fallout 1 returns as a loyal companion! :D

Project Thanatos

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> fallout 2 was a masterpiece. you can buy it on Ebay for 6 bux.

rainofwalrus

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @huginn: Yeah, I have had these two games for years but haven't played them yet. Embarassing, really.

I'll have to try it in DosBox or something.

Spoony Bard

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> This looks like a whole bucket of fancy... I love buckets of fancy!

will

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Is this an RPG with FPS elements, or an FPS with RPG elements?

nonpareil

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Spoony Bard: Fallout 2 was something of magic compared to fallout 1 (which REALLY shows it's age)

If you really want to throw back, go look up Wasteland. [en.wikipedia.org]), it holds up better then Fallout1.

Fallout Tactics is one of my all time favorites. Great story, great mechanics, an untouchable chracter creation mode (Kotaku, feel free to tell me I'm wrong) and one of the smartest mutliplayer I've ever seen.

Personally, This game has me excited. A bit upset it might be the shorten brother of the series, but it sounds like it will continue being the 'smart' series it has always been.

huginn

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> "As any of you who are familiar with Fallout will know, your enemies are mostly radiated mutants or "ghouls" as they are called in the game."

Do you mean Fallout as in the Fallout series or Fallout as in Fallout 3? Because in Fallout and Fallout 2 you engaged in combat with a shitload more humans than ghouls.

ManiO

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I'm really looking forward to this.

Wait a minute did you just say you get a dog that helps you out?

Sounds familiar somehow...

Cchrist

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Dappa: Yes, it turn based just like all the other Fallout's in the series.

I really can't wait for this, it will feel right at home on my PS3.

cduran02

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> To be honest, I'd still rather have a Wasteland remake, since Wasteland is what Fallout ripped off in the first place.

TheLandmark

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> This looks like a great game, I can't wait till it comes out.

Cheezeitz

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> DO WANT!

FLYBOY611

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Im really looking forward to seeing some in game footage for this one

Kraykan

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> my wondrance is.. does the 'growing up' phase (which sounds fantastic, btw.. how long does it take?) impact later fighting/problem solving? or do you end up being yet another grunt with a hefty arsenal, no matter what?

geekgrrl

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> want this game....

ZetaCrossfire

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> NOW I have a reason to upgrade my computer.

tinkyXIII

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Wow. Just wow. Want.

Nymeria

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I like to see someone take an old and tired mechanic such as character creation and make it new and interesting. I hope the rest of the game follows suit.

zenpoet

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> So am looking foward to this game, really want to see Bethesda`s take on the series. Though still hold the slight bit of skepticism Ive had since this project was first announced.

Then again if Flynn is enjoying it I think its going to be A ok.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> "I viewed it with the same sort of interest that I do most games I know nothing about: Curious, but not what I would call overly excited."

Doesn't exactly narrow down the level of excitement at all. In fact, it establishes a fairly wide rage of possible levels of said excitement.

But it was all worth it once I read "delicious mutant killing action."

nutmilk

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> BoS causing trouble? Weren't they originally self appointed guardians? While not completely policing the wastelands, they'd at least take down raiders etc etc.

I really hope it doesn't go down the horror shooter game path, I want to fight desperate raiders, help the downtrodden etc. Don't want to mow down generic zombie looking ghouls and ogre looking Super Mutants.

I'm looking forward to it, as Fallout 2 is in my top 3 favourite games, I just hope it isn't another crappy game like oblivion with mutants, ghouls and guns chucked in.

Zaii

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Spoony Bard: you realllllly should install them and give them a chance....i thought Fallout 2 was better than 1, but 1 is still fun as hell.

if you're interested in this game at all, you should give them a once over!

drlard

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Sounds awesome, I really can't wait!

Flynn, one question -- did they tell you whether the world would level with you a la Oblivion, or whether enemies would have set levels?

jayntampa

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I hope Fallout 3 has some of the similar characters and events from Fallout 2. Some of that stuff was really good, but now it would be considered worst than hot-coffee. Good thing Jack is busy elsewhere.

tnx3

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Do Want.

not_tom_brokaw

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @macr0planet: I have the old Fallout games but...never played them.

This seems a whole lot different than those, though...

Spoony Bard

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> It sounds like they are sticking to the original in a lot of areas. I'm really excited to see if they can pull it off. Anyone that played the originals knows that they are a hard act to follow!

PertinaxVir

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Well written article Mr Flynn. This definitely sounds like it's more than worth picking up.

holytramp

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> i'm so jealous of you flynn....the fallout series has always been on top of my favorites list, and it's going to take one hellava game to knock it out...

i really am not hoping for much from this game, simply because i don't want to get my hopes up too much (ala The Brotherhood of Steel - wasn't horrible...but not what i should have been) so i'll wait "patiently" until it comes out and give it a whirl.

drlard

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> @Ulquiorra: YEAHH!!

So is the combat essentially turned based or what? Doe's the game pause when you are choosing the different body parts to target etc?

Dappa

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> it just gets better and better.

kendrix

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> It's like Bioshock on steroids...and then it licks a toad and then someone microwaves the toad.

This game was the only reason why I bought a 360.

Kanik

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> This game is certainly going to recapture the old Fallout games. I know it'll be great.

macr0planet

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Bethesda Rules!

Ulquiorra Schiffer

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> Wow. I now want to play this game for the character creation/ tutorial levels only. I hope the rest of the game will be as ingenious.

siempre

]]> <![CDATA[Growing Up With Fallout 3]]> I can't wait.

3inst3in

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