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Harmonix to Nintendo: Wii Need A Hard Drive

Gavelwrench — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:54:44 MDT

I'm sure they (and other 3rd parties) could access the SD slot if they wanted, Smash Bros loads stages off the SD with very little delay. The only roadblock would be Nintendo not giving 3rd parties the code to do this -- which I guess is possible. But Harmonix needed a headline-worthy slam to overshadow the fact that they're half-assing a port of the PS2 version, and likely didn't bother even finding out if they could use the SD slot -- much like a lot of commenters here like to claim exactly what can and cannot be done with that SD slot without even owning a Wii...

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Stoli — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:40:52 MDT

@BookbagNinja: You might want to take a look at the size of those songs when you download them on the Xbox 360/PS3. I won't take many to fill up the Wii's internal memory...

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BookbagNinja — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:24:26 MDT

The lack of hard drive is definitely Nintendo's way of quality control. It forces the developers to make smaller games (without relying on a hard drive to do tons of texture swaps and the such) and it also drives down console costs and (if executed correctly) gives the consumer a fun game (maybe not graphically superb) at a reasonable price.

Isn't that why the original NES beat the Master System, TurboGraphics-16 System, and Genesis? The original Gameboy sucked in graphics next to GameGear and the Turbo-Express Portable, but Nintendo came out on top.

Maybe they are trying to recapture that same wide open demographic that they enjoyed previously, even if it means not getting DLC from a company that didn't even try to think outside of the box when porting the game for Wii. Harmonix could have made an alternate rock band universe or creating a real-time band of lower polygon Mario characters? Or making the Wii mote into a tambourine or a moroccas.

The hard drive is irrelevant to the core gameplay and if Harmonix designed DLC for the Wii specifically, then that makes it even MORE of a silly request. Current RockBand DLC isn't THAT big in size anyhow.

BookbagNinja

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BookbagNinja — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:09:59 MDT

The lack of hard drive is definitely Nintendo's way of quality control. This method forces the developers to make smaller games (without relying on a hard drive to do tons of texture swaps and the such) and it also drives down console costs and (if executed correctly) gives the consumer a fun game (maybe not graphically superb) at a reasonable price.

Maybe Nintendo is trying to recapture that same wide open demographic that they enjoyed previously, even if it means not getting DLC from a company that didn't even try to think outside of the box when porting the game for Wii. Maybe creating some alternate rock band universe or real-time band of lower polygon Mario characters? Or something that leans toward a cartoonish flavor? Which Harmonix could have resold as DLC on the PS3 and Xbo360 :)

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Rebelphoenix83 — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:07:28 MDT

Nintendo to Harmonix, fuck you, clean the fridge.

With Love,
Nintendo

Rebelphoenix83

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thanius — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:10:23 MDT

Where do I sign the petition?

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KamuZ — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:52:38 MDT

@fearing: It can support 4 gig SDs if they are not SDHC, they are kinda rare and expensive, not worth it. 2GB is the way to go. But like Torgen said, with a firmware upgrade they can (in theory) support SDHC cards (4gb+). The sad thing is that maybe if Nintendo does that it will be too late and the games will be out there without DLC code to do it. On the other hand, i'm kinda curious in how they wanted to implement this on GH3 because they said it supports DLC, guess they have something in mind. *shrugs*

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fearing — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:40:11 MDT

Okay, only problem with this (sorry if it got mentioned before here) is that the Wii will not recognize anything larger than a 2 gig SD card. Sadly I had purchased a 4 gig before getting my Wii, found out the hard way.

fearing

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dowingba — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:05:47 MDT

@TOCATL: The Rock Band DLC is already in Stereo. The game can run in dolby but the music is all stereo, all the time. What you're hearing out of the surround speakers is the audience and stuff.

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:53:57 MDT

@weatherman: SD and SDHC cards aren't electrically different. They just use FAT16 and FAT32 respectively. It's definitely the kind of thing that a firmware update should be able to fix.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:43:53 MDT

@excel_excel: Of course if the games aren't written to look at the disk then you can't give them DLC, and considering Kart comes out in Europe in like 2 days, it's a bit late.

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weatherman — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:43:05 MDT

@KirbyMorph: you're probably right. I totally forgot that. I bought the 16GB card for my Eee PC and hadn't tried it in my Wii. Lo, it does not work. That's pretty idiotic on Ninty's part.

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excel_excel — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:30:24 MDT

@Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc: They do some sort of system for taking Brawl files of the SD cards alright

Anyway look nintendo. heres the deal. If you put up a hard drive for sale with the promise of DLC for games such as Brawl and Mario Kart then that'd sell like fucking hotca...I mean it'd sell like Wii's!!

Jesus do they know how much money they'd make if they put up Smash characters for Download? Make a deal with Capcom for Megaman and Leon as downloadable characters and charge like 1000 wii points for it. ZING. PROFIT.

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:55:17 MDT

@TStodden: Of course wouldn't your second step require that Nintendo invent their own filesystem?

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TStodden — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:45:45 MDT

Here's the quickie solution...

Nintendo makes a firmware upgrade to include support for external HD's that are connected through one of the Wii's USB ports in back.

Nintendo will probably want to make a utility program to reformat the HD so only the Wii can use it (similarly to what TiVo does), but that's fairly minor.

All you have to do is buy an extra HD of your choice (considering you can get a 120 GB external HD for around $100), format it for your Wii (if Nintendo actually forces you to do this), then just connect it & practically forget about it.

This would also give all the publishers a bonus of issuing software patches for games already released... if they choose to do so...

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Jac21 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:59:46 MDT

Release the damn thing already! Then again an SD card COULD be a temporary solution until then. Just release DLC and don't worry about it Harmonix.

Jac21

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nflchampion — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:33:01 MDT

Come on Nintendo, Wii need a hard drive.

You see what I did there? I made a funny.

nflchampion

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7ucky — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:56:32 MDT

Does anyone know how DLC works with the 360 Arcade units?

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Pezdispenser — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:55:46 MDT

C'mon Ninty, you know you want a hard drive. An HDD = Saturn/Dreamcast VC, which would cement your lead for generations to come (unless you stick with friend's codes).

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Korby — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:54:07 MDT

Nintendo's whole "it's like an iPod" defense would be fine if we only had 512MB iPods. Hell, I have 16 gigs on my phone. I have a phone with 32 times the storage that my Wii does. Come on Nintendo. You're killing yourself here.

Korby

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Ragarnok — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:52:14 MDT

For 240€ they might as well ship a HDD along

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:07:48 MDT

@The Wreckard: Lonpos and FFCC:MLAAK, and both use the Wii Points from your store account.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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The Wreckard — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:57:01 MDT

@Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc: Which games are these? How do they process payment (i.e. do they use Wii points or do they take your credit card)?

Just curious.

The Wreckard

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:56:32 MDT

@Mit: But that wouldn't punish HMX for making a sucky cash-in, would it?

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rocklee111 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:45:01 MDT

lol if the wii gets a hard drive Nintendo would never hear the the end of this ----> WE WANT BRAWL DLC!!!

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RawSteelUT — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:44:16 MDT

@Guitaratomik: Much like iTunes, however, you can de-authorize PS3s/PSPs at will. Also, authorized systems can access the material as much as they like.

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Blue_Six — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:44:13 MDT

Good call Harmonix, maybe they can release it at twice the cost of the system here in Europe and you can tell us that the DLC will make us feel totally "satisfied with spending so much money on it".

Blue_Six

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Mit — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:42:57 MDT

Or you could get the 360/PS3 version (since the PS2/Wii version are sucky cash-ins) and experience the game the proper way.

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Stoli — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:33:24 MDT

@Mr.SithNinja: I think it's the fact that loading from a Memory Card is something that past systems have done (N64, Nintendo GameCube). If they didn't want to use an industry standard like an SD Card, fine! Make your own Memory Card, charge us a 100% mark-up, but let us load from the MC and call it a day!

The fact that it WAS a feature on past Nintendo systems and that that feature has been removed...yeah, doesn't fly with the majority of people. You want to sit there all day doing transfers to make things organized and accessible? Awesome, but the majority of gamers don't want to spend all that time doing so. The fact that loading from the MC has been a feature of many past systems and most (haven't really played with the PS3) current gen systems makes all this really sad.

Stoli

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Blah8 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:28:29 MDT

All Nintendo needs to do is to make a 16GB flash drive that plugs into one of the USB ports on the back, fits flush against the Wii so it's not too bulky, and the problem is solved.

Alternately, make it so that people can plug any USB flash drive in (through a firmware update). Combine that functionality with dynamic access to the SD card (2GB ones can be had for as little as $8), and they'll have everything they need to support DLC. All that would be needed is a single firmware update.

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Gam3r — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:27:54 MDT

Well Nintendo wants mega profits off of their harware these days. If they put in a 8 gb HDD, they'd make the Wii cost $299.

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Illusion — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:22:18 MDT

Ha. Make a real version of Wii Rock Band first, not porting your half-assed PS2 version. Where's your excuse for that, Harmonix? If you're not releasing a good version, why should I give a shit about no DLC to a half-assed, money grab, excuse of a game?

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KM91 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:18:56 MDT

Do it, Nintendo!!!!!

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:15:10 MDT

@Guitaratomik: Well, they're outsourcing development to the guys who made the PS2 version, so I don't think there's any evidence they personally have tried to do anything with the Wii. More likely the conversation went like this: EA: "We hear Guitar Hero is selling mad unitz on Wii. We want you to make a version of Rock Band, but we're not willing to spend a lot of money." HMX: "Hey Pi Studios, you get to porting!"
@The Wreckard: Every Wii game with DLC (and there's more than one) has an in-game store.

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slapBOXmaster — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:11:23 MDT

@MistahJGM: "They could sell a Wii compatiable USB solid hard drive that could have all the software for DRM installed"

That would only work if

1 Nintendo allows the use of external (usb) media at the hardware level
2 If not that they would even entertain the idea of enabling them to do it.
3 If so how would nintendo cash in on it. Remember they still think that Japan is the indicator of what net enabled means. And according to them Japan doesn't want (or need) an xbox live type setup.

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Gladman — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:01:45 MDT

*slaps your wrist* Bad, bad wii pun, stop it!

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Mr.SithNinja — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:59:26 MDT

The Wii definately needs a Hard Drive or AT LEAST support for USB external. There is no question about it.

The only probelm I have is all of the lazy ass bastards bitching about moving data to and from the SD cards. How big of an inconvenience can it possibly be??

@dowingba:

"Oh it might take me a full 2 min to transfer a game from my SD to the system memory!! I will never buy another VC game again EVER!!" You sound like a whining child. To abondon downloading classics becasue of that is pretty freaking weak.

Nintendo did what they did with the SD card and on board flash memory storage for one reason. TO KEEP THE COST DOWN! If you put a built in HD for the Wii at launch and you have to tack on at least $50 to the retail price. Then the Wii is right next to the 360 in price (about $100 difference). The 2 main selling points of the Wii are and always have been the Wiimote and the price point. If they went the HDD route they would enter the console war with only one weapon (and no the Crossbow, or Blaster wouldn't count XD ).

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Swordmonkey — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:58:31 MDT

If I had to venture a guess on why the SD cards aren't used for VC titles or downloaded content, it would be the pirate factor. Once it's off the internal memory, there's not much stopping people from copying that information to other people's cards.

They could create a few bytes in the VC/DL content to uniquely identify the machine it's supposed to be for, but that'll get cracked quite quickly.

The other option would be to do a check through WiiConnect to ensure the machine is authorized to use the content on the card. That's probably not a solution they'd really want to use, seeing as their network is already a little shakey, adding that onto it won't help. Plus it's not very convenient for end users.

An external hard drive would face these same limitations unless they make it a proprietary format with no native connector for a PC(eg USB)

Swordmonkey

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sanctusmortis — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:51:30 MDT

Pfft. After the Euro debacle, I don't think they're in a position to demand companies make expensive hardware...

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DaveKap — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:48:41 MDT

What? Someone wants Nintendo to fix their online? Y'don't say! *eyeroll*

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Sailorcancer — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:47:35 MDT

Or give the Wii more memory. MBs are SO last gen! This gen is pure GBs!

The 360 needs a manitory HDD, the needs more storage. What a disapointing gen.

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bugashi — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:45:33 MDT

Hmm... 4 audio tracks (5 if they include a lyric track for lack of singer) to be played all at the same time... could possibly have it load from the SD card, but will it drag longer than the usual "Now Loading" screen that gamers have grown accustomed to with CD/DVD/UMD/Blu-Ray/HHD-DVVDDBVD disc games? Then again, if the DLC is going through the Wii Shopping Channel, will a channel update allow for downloading to the SD card? It's already shown that programmers can operate using the data stored on any SD card (as long as they know how to do so), but will they be able to handle various DLC for all sorts of games to be released that would support it? While an external USB hard drive might handle some issues, it might raise others to which Nintendo may have already looked at.

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shemmy — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:38:43 MDT

GH3 wii already has DLC. unfortunately only those with chipped wii's can use it.

if you didn't know, hackers have been able to strip the songs from the various PS2 versions of GH and re-compile them into the wii version. why this couldn't have been done officially and released as budget versions i don't know.

back to rockband... with the announced prices for the xbox version no one with a wii would have any money left over for DLC anyway.

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Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman. — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:36:20 MDT

@PlayerX: I think there's three problems with them just using any ol' USB HD.

1) They might not all be compatible with the system, or the USB HD could have it's own issues that they'd end up getting support calls on, and instead of having answers, they'd be turning people away constantly to the HD's makers. They might also expect Nintendo to be able to replace data on one that goes bad on them, only to find out that's not the case, and instead of hating on the crappy USB HD, they might blame the Wii instead.

2) They might be looking to make the hard disks themselves. Well, have a first/second party solution to the problem, though I'm sure people's suggestions of 10-40gb disks would be far too small for mass production at this point, as it'd probably be much more expensive than, say, 80-120gb, which are much more widely mass produced in the general market. I honestly doubt it though, just from the simple issue that they still haven't caught up to Wii demand, why add production for something that'd sell in fewer numbers over making something you know you'd sell out?

3) They might just be terrified that the basement-dwelling dweebs of the world, armed with more hard drive space, and a way of accessing and using data on something that could be easily plugged into their computer will turn their system into a pirating machine. Hey, I'm all for circumventing region locks and all, since you're still legally buying software and all that, but you know there's people out there that live on pirating every game, song, and piece of software they can get their hands on. Some can't afford it, but others just don't care.

@The Wreckard: Well, we are talking EA here. And the market so far has shown that when it comes to the Wii, why try? Just make something, push it out, and hope it sells. I'm betting that they actually COULD use the SD slot if they wanted to, they just didn't want to actually program in a way to access the content easily.

No, I think the bigger issue up to this point has been that the system of purchasing things for the Wii has been strictly through Nintendo's own closed network. Up until WiiWare goes global, there's not any real way for other companies to sell things to the Wii. Now that that's slowly rolling out, companies also want Nintendo to toss them a HD to access, so that they don't have to do any real work to fix the issue/find a workaround, what have you.

Had they come out and said 'Hey, Nintendo, give us access to the SD slot for our games.', or "As much as we'd like to use the SD slot to alleviate these problems, it is currently unaccessible by software by the firmware settings.", I'd be more willing to agree that they actually looked at that solution. Since noone's come out and mentioned it (as far as I've read from other developers), I can only imagine that instead of dealing with the hassle, Rock Band (And Guitar Hero 3 before it) took the easiest possible route, and did as little work as possible from the PS2 version.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

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ScottG13 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:33:48 MDT

From what I recall, you can't run DLC code straight off an SD card on the Wii so this would not work unless Nintendo firmware updated it which they never would.

If you want to play Rock Band for reals, get a 360 or a PS3 like the rest of us. If your 7 year old nephew with a Wii only wants to play Rock Band, he probably won't care much about DLC.

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Fireblast — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:30:02 MDT

I agree with Harmonix. Seriously Nintendo needs to slap themselves because of putting out a console with hardly any space (the Wii channels like Everybody Votes, Check Mii Out, and Internet Channel take up 200 blocks a piece).

Fireblast

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The Wreckard — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:25:14 MDT

@The Wreckard: Scratch that. I'm confused, this is what I get for commenting on a system I don't own.

The Wreckard

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The Wreckard — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:23:56 MDT

@The Wreckard:
Oh, forgot to mention the more obvious roadblock: the Wii prevents marketplace purchases from being transferred to SD anyway, so Harmonix would have had to implement their own store other in-game or on the PC. That's just not feasible and renders the whole SD thing moot anyway.

The Wreckard

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LeLoi — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:22:50 MDT

Its cliched to say; but you get what you pay for and you ain't getting much with the Wii obviously, given the low price point. I hate it when Wii fanboys will brag about how cheap the Wii is but at the same time disregard the reason why its so cheap to begin with; you have no HDD, no DVD playback, a weak online component and less media capability. Thats why I like the PS3 because it can do all sorts of things like play blu-ray movies. And the best thing about it? Its going to drop below $300 eventually and it will be that much more of a bargain for what you are getting.

LeLoi

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exolstice — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:21:28 MDT

@sugardeath:

Well it can't play my VC games and that's all I care about. Also, see what "teeth7" wrote.

exolstice

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Guitaratomik — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:21:12 MDT

Again, to the people who keep calling Harmonix lazy. Do you REALLY think they'd be willing to give up potential piles of cash just because they didn't feel like it. Do you REALLY think they didn't attempt to figure out a way to work with the SD card? Are you guys REALLY that retarded?!

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txgb324 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:19:55 MDT

Wii games != Virtual Console games.

You can't run VC games from the SD slot cause of the DRM associated with them. (Too easy to just move that card to your friends Wii and download them, but DLC requires the original disc in the drive to run, so they don't have to be so restrictive.) Wii games can and have accessed data from the SD card during game play. So there are tools to do it.

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teeth7 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:08:55 MDT

@sugardeath: But you don't buy mp3s from Nintendo for Excite Teuck. And you don't buy levels from Nintendo for Smash.

But you do buy songs from Harmonix for Rock Band. So while there may be a way to access game assets from the SD card, the ability to access purchased things from the SD card (like Virtual Console games) is not likely to be granted any time soon. It would be nice if I were wrong in this case, but I don't think it's happening.

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The Wreckard — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:04:52 MDT

@TOCATL: Um, have you ever played Rock Band? It can't be stereo because you have to have a separate track for every instrument. So at least 4 channels.

The game then mixes those channels in real time to mono, stereo, or surround - it's not "recorded" that way.

ANYWAY

Don't you guys think that Harmonix would have looked into this INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS solution using SD cards? Isn't it much, much, much more likely that the Wii doesn't let games write to / read from the SD slot? Or at least has no API to let them do it?

Nah, you're right, they probably just didn't even think of this totally obvious thing and are just being lazy.

The Wreckard

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:01:16 MDT

@Stoli: What about SSBB stages? Don't those save to the SD card?

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Stoli — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:47:08 MDT

@ProfWho: The only data that I've seen that can be accessed directly from the SD Card is non-game data (pictures through the Photo Channel, as well as mp3s). If you can find Virtual Console games or major save data (not replays and such, but the actual save file) that can be accessed directly from the SD Card, I'll be impressed.

Stoli

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MistahJGM — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:45:57 MDT

Well, since the SD card argument has been beaten to death (yes Harmonix should try to use it, anyhow...) They could sell a Wii compatiable USB solid hard drive that could have all the software for DRM installed, then it could be disguised as some stage perhiperal, like say the stage light gimmick device they are coming out with.

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Stoli — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:45:03 MDT

@ProfWho: Unfortuntely, Harmonix can only work with the tools that they are given. As far as content such as Virtual Console games and save data, it CANNOT be accessed directly from the SD Card. Try it; see what happens.

No, if Nintendo allowed the SD Card to be directly accessed, that would solve a lot of complaints. But this is Nintendo that we're talking about. ^_^

Stoli

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2NinjasTapedTogether — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:43:57 MDT

I'd like an HDD and I don't even plan on getting Rock Band for my Wii. I'm saving all kinds of data from Smash Bros, not to mention the Virtual Console stuff I'm downloading every couple of weeks. I love you Nintendo and you say you love me... But then you fuck me in the ass!

2NinjasTapedTogether

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Sir_Crocidile — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:43:16 MDT

Nintendo to Harmonix: Wii have an SD card slot, make use of it.

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boopadoo — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:38:50 MDT

*said like Ms. Krabappel*

HA!

boopadoo

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Konchu — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:36:56 MDT

I think that the SD card solution is viable there are many MP3 players that use this for memory now and hold tons of music. Nintendo just needs to up the SD for programs to use if they haven't already. I right now can play music and videos and install application on a mini SD card in my cell phone so why cant the wii do that for DLC.

Konchu

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Aprotosis — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:31:12 MDT

@bigman88zz:
Sony stopped producing the hard drive when they stopped producing PS2 in the "fat" configuration. A PS2 slim cannot take a hard drive attachment.

This, btw, almost killed S-Es relationship with Sony but apparently they got over it.

Aprotosis

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trelantana — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:30:59 MDT

...Homebrew reads and plays stuff off of the SD card just freakin' fine...

trelantana

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_Hayko — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:19:59 MDT

@Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc:
You can also do this in Endless Ocean.

The only problem I see with reading from an SD card is that the tracks would have to be decrypted. Now you could decrypt it on the fly whilst you are streaming the music, or decrypt the track in one go into memory. Either way you are going to end up with an overhead that you have to deal with. Saying that, there's even an overhead associated with playing mp3/wma files in contrast to plane jane wav files, so if you are a competent developer, you could get around these problems. But no "porting" the PS2 version to the Wii is much easier.

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bigman88zz — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:18:50 MDT

ok, so the wii version has no dlc because it doesnt have a hard drive. if thats the case, why doesnt the ps2 version have dlc? it used a hard drive with ffxi, yet it has no dlc. not to mention the wii's sd slot as mentioned above. there is something bigger going on here....

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Hand_O_Death — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:18:27 MDT

I really like the track packs on SD card idea. I could really see them doing that.

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trogam — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:16:43 MDT

Firmware upgrade to use External HD's or Flash Memory. I have 3 One Gig Jump Drives. Nintendo, just allow us to use these tools since you can now get 4 gig flash drives (if your lucky) for under 30. They load quickly enough, and a song that shouldn't be too large (Still Alive was 16 megs on the 360 I think?) So that SHOULD NOT take so much time to load from a jump drive!

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DigiMish — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:13:20 MDT

@Guitaratomik: yea, that's what I said, you must have misunderstood me. The download data can be shared infinitely between 5 sign-ins (yours being one of them). Once your fourth friend activates your sign in on his PS3 machine, you can't share with any more people unless one of your friends deactivates your account on their PS3 machine.

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TOCATL — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:10:27 MDT

I forgot, that there are already USB flash drives of 8gb for $50 or less, and the wii has 2 USB 2.0, so please nintendo make that d@mn update and enable the USBs on the wii...

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rkalajian — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:09:47 MDT

It would go a long way if Nintendo just let us use any 'ol USB hard drive.

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TOCATL — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:06:07 MDT

Simple HARMONIX make the DLC STEREO only and it will be able to fit in the SD, anyway stereo sounds its just fine...

TOCATL

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globones — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:03:44 MDT

@ holy_cow:

you forgot to mention the the wii verson $10 more.

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DaiMacculate — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:03:28 MDT

@Tiberian: As others have noted, plenty of games, most notably Excite Truck and SSBB, are able to read data from the SD card in-game.

This is the ONE issue with the Wii that I think most/all of us can agree on, Wii afficianados and haters alike. It needs more storage, and it needs it post haste. How that is accomplished is not even that important, but yeah, it needs to happen.

Probably won't happen, unfortunately, Nintendo doesn't think its that important apparently ;)

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:00:49 MDT

@sugardeath: QFT.
But, if you have a copy of ExciteTruck and an SD card, can you make a single 100M mp3 (like a whole album as a single track at 320kbps) and confirm that ExciteTruck will play the whole thing? I lack the former for this experiment.

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Otacon91 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:59:47 MDT

@Seruza: Smart jackass, declare how your screwing over Sony by telling everyone about how you exploit a flaw in there system, then when they fix it in a patch you'll probably be one of the people crying about how you actually have to BUY all the songs you want from now on.

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MikeKelley — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:58:55 MDT

Dear nintendo:

i would also like an easy way to back up my VC games onto my SD card, instead of looking at the contents of internal and SD memory and trying to figure out what I have backed up and what I haven't.

If anyone has done this backup, they'll note that backing up anything of a substantial size to the SD card takes *forever*. Wouldn't it be fun to wait 30 seconds while you wait for your DLC to load into RAM. Let's get ready to............ ................ ............... .............. .............ROCK!

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CockroachMan — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:57:04 MDT

The Wii version is a PS2 port anyway, so the songs shouldn't take as much space as the 360/PS3 ones.. a 1gb SD card should be more than enough for that!

Game developers today are too lazy.. The NES had 64K of memory and the developers did wonderful stuff with it!

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Walker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:52:29 MDT

The SD card slot argument is a bit redundant considering you have to transfer all the content on it back to the onboard memory before you can use it. I know people above have probably already stated this but its silly and i'm going to love to know how Wiiware is going to cope. Yeah, SD cards would be the most logical storage option for Wii but whats the point of buying a big capacity SD card when you need to constantly swap the content stored on it back and fourth between your Wii? Honestly the Wii was very poorly thought of. I'm sure a firmware/update could solve this problem but does anyone actually expect Nintendo to ever do it? I don't.

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mikecoscia — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:50:51 MDT

After the Wii I am unsure if I will ever buy a nintendo console. They just keep screwing themselves and their users over.

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sugardeath — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:49:06 MDT

@exolstice:
You're making stuff up, stop it. SSBB can play custom stages stored on the SD card without copying them over. Excite Truck can play MP3s stored on the SD card without copying them over.

I hate when people are misinformed.

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Angryrider — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:48:08 MDT

Also about USB. Why doesn't Harmonix just make more PS3 and Xbox instruments instead of making a new one for the Wii? The Wii has USB, all it needs is that adaptor and we're set. What? Too much USB is bad for the Wii?

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Klaymen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:47:41 MDT

Yeah good luck with that Harmonix. Be careful what you wish for. Nintendo fans wished for access to the back catalogue and online play, and instead we got the VC and that mess they're trying to convince me is "online."

just...be careful what you wish for...

Klaymen

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dowingba — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:46:21 MDT

@guspaz: Think of it this way: when and if Harmonix finally release albums. Not even an entire album would fit in the Wii's internal memory even if it's completely empty before you download it. (Which is of course, impossible because you'd have to at least have the Rock Band save data on there. And who doesn't have SSBB? That game along takes up like a third of the Wii's storage, just for it's save file.)

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Garo — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:46:07 MDT

EU to Harmonix: We need a pricecut!

Garo

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futurebiblehero — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:43:50 MDT

I find Nintendo infinitely frustrating in many of the ways they handle business, but this? Come on. A huge SD card costs about as much as we payed for standard memory cards last gen. That's a really stupid excuse.

Hell, SD cards are even far more ubiquitous than proprietary memory cards could have ever been. I'm sure you could probably find one at Publix.

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guspaz — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:40:47 MDT

512MB of onboard storage and up to 4GB of offboard swapable storage...

Is it ideal? No. Does it in any way prevent them from doing DLC? No. 512MB is enough space to store several DLC downloads, and the 4GB you can get in an SD card is enough for many.

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Guitaratomik — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:38:45 MDT

@DigiMish:

No, it's limited. I think the limit is for the number of PS3s you can download it to though (which I believe is 5), not the number of times you can download it. So unless you have more than 5 friends with PS3s that are all using that same content, you shouldn't be having any trouble.

As for the matter at hand, from what I understand you can't execute game data from an SD card. You can access music for custom soundtracks ie Excite Truck but the Rock Band sogns are not MP3s, they're game data. So yeah, they need a hard drive especially with Wiiware on the way.

With over 6 million songs bought on the X360 and PS3, do you really think Harmonix or EA really want to neglect the gi-normous Wii userbase just to be lazy? I don't fucking think so.

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awesomerobot — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:34:10 MDT

Imagine if the Wii didn't have some of the major flaws it does (lack of HD, online suckage)

it could of actually been more successful!

awesomerobot

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dowingba — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:32:10 MDT

@emag: If this is true, serious negative respect for Harmonix on this one.

They expect us to believe the Wii can't handle rendering 4 people walking around on screen with some flashing lights and stuff once in a while? Bull. Shit.

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holy_cow — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:26:06 MDT

The Wii version of Rock Band is essentially the PS2 version of Rock Band.

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t0yrobo — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:26:03 MDT

I wonder if you can't download stuff directly to the sd slot. I don't know why you wouldn't be able too, but Nintendo does have a knack for making arbitrary restrictions.

t0yrobo

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SpishackCola — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:25:46 MDT

Wii HDD? Do want please :( I'm sure Activistion could've used the HDD to fix the GH3 issues, maybe, but when looking to the future, the Wii is definitely going to need a HDD (unless affordable 20-100GB SD cards become available at some point).

SpishackCola

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emag — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:24:43 MDT

The lack of HDD is a side note, at best. RB Wii is a port of the PS2 RB, which does not offer real-time rendered avatars, instead storing FMV versions of all the songs, unlike the 360 and PS3 versions. As this is the case, even with a huge hard drive, RB Wii wouldn't have 360/PS3-style DLC.

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munchausen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:22:39 MDT

@DigiMish:
ouch for harmonix. that has to hurt their bottom line. i'm surprised they didn't try to be more restrictive.

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ProfWho — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:22:25 MDT

@KirbyMorph: No you don't. There a a few games that read information off of the SD cards just fine.

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yomachaser — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:22:18 MDT

@exolstice:

So why can excite truck load songs directly from the SD card?

If you don't know about what Wii can do don't guess.

yomachaser

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KirbyMorph — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:21:40 MDT

@weatherman: I was under the impression the Wii can only access 2gb cards, but I'm probably mistaken. Doesn't matter how much it can though because you have to transfer it to the internal card for it to be able to be read by games.

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ProfWho — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:21:31 MDT

Harmonix, why don't you actually focus on not giving gimped PS2 version for the Wii and find a way to read the data off of the SD cards.

Yes, the Wii needs a HDD. That is still no excuse for the piece of shit that you are porting to the Wii. You could have put the effort into finding out how to use the SD cards. You chose not to. You could have put online on there. You also could ahve included all of the modes. You didn't. Why? Because you are just making a cheap cash in.

So, don't act like you are trying to do any Wii owners a favor. You are attempting to rip them off.

ProfWho

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dry-roasted-peanuts — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:19:06 MDT

Given the Wii has two USB ports, an external HD couldn't be that hard to incorporate.

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DigiMish — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:18:17 MDT

@munchausen: no, no limit, you or any of your 4 friends who know your sign-in info can redownload the songs as much as you guys want to.

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Ryanraven — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:16:28 MDT

@weatherman: Thing is the wii can only run Regular SD cards, in the 2 gig max flavor. SDHC is not supported.

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Candlejack — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:15:33 MDT

Yea, let's throw a 73GB Solid State Disk in there. That fits.

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Ryanraven — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:15:26 MDT

A 3 song pack is like 75 MiB. One could fit so many songs on a one GiB SD card and sell it for alot of money. Harmonix would only need to bind the content to wii friend code or something.

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vincevl — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:15:15 MDT

@weatherman: Just an update away!

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Kegwen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:13:28 MDT

@chords of steel:
Probably the inability to patch games after release

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munchausen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:12:55 MDT

@Seruza: aha, but then with the PS3 there are still some limits, right? like you can only download it three times or something like that? if it could be lifted off an SD card, then you could easily distribute it on the internet, which kills the whole DLC distribution model. also, if Sony wanted to, they could enforce controls on that and kill the PSN account-- it is clearly against the PSN agreement; but, of course, as far as I have heard they have not enforced the download work-around or the regional downloading; both of which could void your account and potentially forever make your PS3 non-network enabled.

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weatherman — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:12:24 MDT

I just got a 16 GB card (nearly as much storage as the first PS3 had) for $75. 8GB will run you around $30. Don't really see an argument against SD unless somehow the system isn't able to access it the way that Harmonix needs it to.

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ghnvt — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:11:53 MDT

This is what we were waiting for, glad it was Harmonix who finally said it.

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dowingba — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:11:37 MDT

@Yin: They're about 30mb each, gives or take. Although if there were somehow DLC on the Wii version of Rock Band I'd guess they'd make them much lower quality so that maybe you could fit more than 4 songs on the console.

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PlayerX — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:11:29 MDT

The Wii could use any commercially-available USB external HDD, couldn't it?

PlayerX

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Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:11:18 MDT

What's their excuse for not having online?

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Ryumeka — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:10:27 MDT

Is the max size for an SD card still 2gig? And can we run files off of it (not pictures and the like, i'm talking VC games and saved files)

Ryumeka

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Yin — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:09:05 MDT

A 4gb SD card is like... Dirt cheap. And should be able to hold a few tracks, I don't know how big they are.

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LittlestLamshi — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:09:05 MDT

too bad. maybe they should just use a portable cartige-drive.

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Thanatos — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:08:26 MDT

If they wont give us a Hard Drive Nintendo needs to use the SD slot more. I want to be able to run VC games from it and white saves to it considering 512Mb internal gets pretty crowded fast.

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qbix — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:08:11 MDT

Yeah, good luck with that Harmonix.

qbix

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Blah-Blah-Blah — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:06:52 MDT

Good luck on that one Harmonix. Even if it does get made by Nintendo the attach rate will be miserably low with out a doubt. Not that it is not a good idea, it is just not practical.

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Seruza — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:06:49 MDT

@munchausen: You can do that NOW with the ps3. You just log into another PSN account and download the songs they've already payed for. My friends and I buy different song packs and just combine our collections.

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tnx3 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:06:47 MDT

Please oh please, Nintendo just buy a cheap 10 gb hard drive and slap a official Nintendo logo on it and sell for 3 times the usually price. It's not that different from the SD cards right now.

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enewtabie — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:06:47 MDT

I agree with your last comments and it's something I have been saying.Packaged SD cards with music on them already could be a viable alternative.

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dowingba — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:06:38 MDT

If I hear this SD card argument one more time...

Just because of Nintendo, I am going to refuse to ever buy an SD card for the rest of my life. Just because they think it's a viable solution to not putting decent space on their system.

I love buying VC games but I can't anymore because I've run out of space. No, the SD card or re-downloading arguments don't hold up. I'm not going to do that. The solution is to not buy more VC games and therefore Nintendo just screwed themselves out of free money.

Whose brilliant idea was it to release a system whose internal memory is the same size as their competitor's onboard RAM?

dowingba

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Seruza — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:56 MDT

they won't listen. nintendo always does their own thing, it comes back to bite them in the ass about as much as it works for them.

see: Gamecube.

Seruza

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munchausen — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:53 MDT

i bet the reason they want the hard drive isn't so much storage space as it is drm protection. they don't want people to easily transfer over DLC, which might be easy to do with the SD card.

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LionheartAce — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:43 MDT

At least a 10 gig? Not too much for it? =P

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Enycma — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:41 MDT

Can't we all just get along? You! Make the HDD and YOU! Make DLC and not a gimped version! Thank you... =0D

Enycma

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exolstice — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:38 MDT

You wouldn't be able to use the songs on the SD card until you transferred them over. It would be a pain.

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mywhitenoise — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:05:33 MDT

Too late, what Wii game offers updates by patch? Harmonix would have to remake/re-release the game on Wii in order for it to be online enabled. Seeing as how Rock Band Wii is coming out in a few weeks, I highly doubt Wii will ever get DLC for this title.

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