ShinMai

ShinMai

I'll look into it and come back to you. Right now I'm sick and it's 1:30 AM but I'll look into it.

I'll also ask my youth leader for his sources. He showed us them (one of them was him showing us a video of something the BBC broadcasted and picking their argument apart, like how Jesus could have never been dead and simply been healed by the herbs they gave him in the tomb, when in all honesty, if roman guards pierced his heart, blood and water came out, he was sealed in a tomb for three days, back was ripped open, most likely his entrails were hanging out of his body, and he nearly bled to death, that some aloe vera and healing herbs would not heal someone from the dead like that. They also said that it was possible that the small amount of vinegar the guards gave him to suck on could have thrown him into a coma. And that the herbs healed him. Wow.) But yes I will ask him.

Really however, my belief is arguing it is pointless. For every argument, there is a counter argument, and your evidence could be interpreted differently, as could mine. So, let's not argue that validity of the Bible, yeah? I believe there's a time to defend your faith, but an argument will go nowhere at some point.

If you give me your email or whatever I'd be glad to touch the topic with you later, however. I've added you on my "commenter follower" list or whatever it's called.

Although, a great place if you have questions on specifics of Christianity that aren't always addressed, is here:
[www.blueletterbible.org]

Great resource tool. Search the FAQs.

deviantchicken

Also, have you been playing way too much Portal, or something? The afterlife is a lie! Religion is a lie! The cake is a lie!!!!

Anyway, to sum up: get off your high horse. You're the biggest zealot in this whole thread and you're one of the most ignorant people I've had the pleasure of coming across.

dowingba

Your youth pastor may not be the most unbiased of sources on this.
So from the top and you will have to excuse me if get some of the wording wrong as it's been a while since I read the bible and my memory is no longer good enough to quote chapter and verse and the use of wiki is because i am just plain lazy.
The age and authorship of the gospels:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Historicity Of Jesus
[en.wikipedia.org]
The most famous translation error is that of the term maiden for virgin. This would of course alter the doctrine of the virgin birth.Heres a list of some translation differences.
[www.bible-researcher.com]
As to the political alterations to the bible, there are several differences in tone between the other gospels and that of John.
[www.religioustolerance.org]
You need look no further than genesis for an obvious contradiction:
Genesis 1:25/26 States that animals were made first.
Genesis 2:18/19 Adam was first and then came the beasts and birds then brought before Adam to be named.

Weirdwolf

And no, to be saved isn't just "k christian lulz" the Bible says that the vines that don't produce fruit, God will cut off and throw into the fire. Faith without works is dead faith. Those who truly believe in God and Jesus will WANT to do good things and follow the Bible. If one has no such desire, then they aren't even truly saved in their hearts in the first place.

Also, what the heck are people telling you? That in the Bible you will find why you are sick? Um. No.

And God is just, if you look at it mathematically.

God = perfect.
God =/= sin.
Sin = death.
Humans all sin.
Therefore, there was a separation between God and humans, as God cannot be in the presence of sin.
So humans + sin = death.

The rule is, a sacrifice must be made to take your place of death, if you want to live.

Jews would do animal sacrifices.

Animal + death = debt paid for sin.

A permanent debt pay off and sacrifice however, would have to be a human who never sins. The only person who could do such a thing would be God incarnate Himself. So he sent his son down.

Jesus + death = debt paid for sin eternally.

Therefore, humans are no longer separated from God.

Because Jesus died as a human sacrifice for sin, humans don't have to pay the penalty of death.

"For whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Therefore, if you accept the sacrifice of Jesus, you are saved, and desire to follow the Bible and do his good work.

If you accept the sacrifice of Jesus, you will not face the consequences of sin.

If you don't, then you will.

So that's how the justice of God works, Biblically.

deviantchicken

Except it is not true, as the New Testament was written either by first-hand accounts of people who lived with Jesus, or people who were close with those who lived first-hand accounts with Jesus.

Also, on Easter, my youth pastor showed me a wealth of people who wrote about Jesus, not including the Bible. One was a letter a roman wrote talking about his death. It would be ridiculous if people wrote so much about a person who didn't exist within that own timeframe. Among sane, educated people, the majority believe and know Jesus existed.

Mind showing us what things were omitted for political ends? That's a stale argument. Same with mistranslation. Nothing was mistranslated other than a few terms, like Hell, however its general meaning and teachings remain.

Of course various things were unincluded in the Bible. The gospels had requirements to be put into the New Testament by the church, including things like that it had to be a first-hand account of Jesus. Gospel of Judas, for example, did not match any of the other gospels, and I believe was written by a Roman more than 100 years after Jesus' death, who had nothing to do with anyone involved in Jesus' life. Not included in the Bible.

The Bible does not contradict itself if you look at it as a whole that tells a story that happened over thousands of years.

Show a part of the Bible that contradicts another, perhaps?

The book is put together as if it were one piece of literature. Even literary experts praise this aspect of the Bible.

deviantchicken

unmarkedone

KM91

So just because I'm a nonbeliever, I'm not conveniently pointing fingers at the religious. I'd even be inclined to side with those on defense, the Christians in this case, but that never helped anyone either. Next time the mud is thrown, a bomb is dropped, a harmless discussion becomes volatile, it's always "they attacked first last time".

So the only solution? Make the world a better place. Don't argue about religion.

futurebiblehero

I know there are plenty of decent, intelligent, well-intentioned Christians who, by virtue of their virtues, cannot imagine themselves as incomplete or misguided in their worldviews, who cannot imagine that their perspective can be illegitimate despite the good they are doing and embody. And I suppose that's okay, as I really have no interest in the existance and influence (or the lack thereof) of religion and the church. I will point out, however, that there's no requirement to 'buy into' the theological aspects of Christianity (or any other religion, generally, in first world countries anyway) to carry the values or support the causes which they do. Considering that, what is the more virtuous? To do good out of fear of, for the love of, in the name of God, or to do good of one's own free will, not expecting, desiring, or believing oneself worthy of any reward or approval, even so immaterial as the satisfaction of doing God's work?

SolFalling

Ah, and therein lies the problem. Even if I did believe I'm not sure that I would like a god that allowed me to be an utter shit for the whole of my life and repent on my deathbed.
I at least try to do good,(as anyone who knows me will attest to I'm no angel,) seems a little unfair that a person who does good their whole life but doesn't believe is excluded,(not me by the way, I've never been that good,) but someone who goes to church and yet does no "good works" gets past the pearly gates on a nod and a wink. I think I'd like my god to have a little more sense of justice and a little less ego I mean after all he would have created EVERYTHING.
Your argument is at least of a biblical nature, I have been told that as an atheist I am intrinsically evil and have no morals at all,(I do they are just a little tarnished around the edges). The insults do not only flow one way. My partner was told that she should read the bible and within it she would find the reason for her illness. This is a woman who is a much better person than I could ever hope to be.

Weirdwolf

Was it you that stated that we have written evidence of the life of Jesus at that time? I'm afraid the thread has become rather unwieldy and it is way past my bedtime. This is also false, most scholars believe that the gospel were written around 100 years after and there is no mention of Jesus at the time. A couple of things later that are very very dubiously attributed as mentions but nothing at the time.
The bible is full of contradictory things, the two creations myths is the easiest to find in the old testament as is the differing accounts of the people present at the birth of Christ in the second. It is hardly surprising when you remember that it has been written by numerous people over many years, mis-translated,buggered about with,(personally I would much rather poisoners get a good kicking than anybody deluded enough to think that they are a witch) and had things added and omitted to for political ends.
There is a lot of stuff from that time that was not included and even the standard makeup of the Christian bible wasn't set that long ago.
To dismiss other sources as worthless but to believe that the bible has not changed over the years is to dismiss the truth. And even a grumpy, tired, old atheist like me knows that the truth shall set ye free.

Weirdwolf

In my mind there is no point in hating you, because what has prompted you to believe what you believe is what makes us all human, and, in some ways, fragile, and in other ways ridiculously potent and dangerous. I share the fallability that puts you in your position, but I know that, fundamentally, skepticism serves a better purpose than certainty--because certainty is something we do not have. I would rather accidentally throw out good knowledge than cling to bad knowledge dogmatically.

When I made the crack about science, what I mean is, ideas in science survive a constant disbelief by all scientists. When they emerge successfully from the soup of experimentation and hypothesis, it is because they have been attacked constantly and repeatedly by the best minds available--such that, years later, when popular culture comes to attack a scientific view, it is often laughable, in comparison to the legitimate criticisms the view has already had to endure. Religion, in reverse, is very careful to look for confirmation of existing views. The implicit foundation of all faith is that, while you may not 'understand' it, the article of faith is absolute. I don't have to be right to know you're wrong. I don't have to supply a replacement viewpoint to know, in absolute terms, that what you're doing is a mistake. I am not interested in a conversation about god or jesus, or listening to a tirade by the chicken guy about what a tard I am. Religion is the problem. What is going on at the top of this page is a token of religion. Faith may be used in the service of mankind, and a christian may be a good person, but both those things can be true without any bible or anything else.

That sign is an advertisement for lies. It's using misdirection to get people's attention, and it intends to 'save' them by pretending they will be rewarded. It is a scam, and nothing good can come of it. It is also the foundation upon which any organized religion operates.

God may exist and there need not be a religion to declare its exact nature. Jesus may have existed, and there need not be a religion to claim he was holy. The content of ideas is enough, on its own.

Plus...I could live a 1000 years and never see headway against the logical fallacies used here, and routinely, elsewhere in this kind of argument. You cannot prove a universal negative. You can't disprove the existence of something impercievable, you can't say that if all X are not Y, and you are not Y, then you are X (intolerant), and you can't claim that something is real just because someone had the forsight to write it down. I've written down alot of things, and I'm reasonably certain *I'm* not real.

deathbunny

Those are great things you do. I applaud them.

But the Bible of course, says that salvation is by faith, not deeds alone.

If there was such a place as Heaven or Hell, and you could get in or out of them based on good works, what would be the defining line? Donating $15,000 to charity over your lifetime? Saving 100 grannies from oncoming traffic? Since being good is a term that changes based on different people's perspectives, it would be hard to distinguish a defining line.

The Bible however distinguishes it as, everyone's a sinner. God sent a sacrifice to pay for your punishment as a sinner, and you either accept the gift, or you don't, and that's the defining line in salvation.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud your good deeds, but as a Christian I'm just saying, the reason why being a good person is such a commonly stale excuse is because according to the Bible at least, salvation is not fulfilled by man, it's fulfilled by God's gift. Good deeds won't redeem yourself to Heaven, as the doctrine says.

Just saying, =P

deviantchicken

Um, that wasn't deathbunny, that was me.

And I apologize, I don't mean we have exact original documents, but we do have early Greek and Hebrew texts of the New Testament, and they didn't lose meaning in translations over the years. There are a few mistranslations such as Hell (which isn't a place, it's a general term used to describe Gehanna, Sheol, Tartarus, and Hades, the various stages of God's punishment) etc. and so forth. But the general meaning and commandments are not lost.

The Bible is interpreted differently by people, but to most it all fits together if you look at it as a whole.

deviantchicken

As an athiest I do find it really rather galling when I am told that I do not lead a "good life".
I do not drink,steal,smoke,(apart from the occasional bit of weed on medical grounds,) I care for my family and friends trying to help them and be a good role model for my daughter and her friends. I donate every month to charity,(I wish I could give more to other charities but I am disabled and unable to work.)I used to give up my time to teach children for free,(something I miss everyday,)I try to live my life with as little impact on the environment as possible, growing plants and feeding wild animals. The food I eat I do not waste and the only stuff killed are the things I eat. I try not to get angry or judge other people.
Tell me is that not the life of a good person? The only thing that I do not do is worship a god or gods.

Weirdwolf

Oh, please, like we should listen to Swift. He wasn't intelligent at all. He even tried to convince people to eat babies!

;P

doubtful

"happen to know quite a bit about the political aspects of the forming of the Bible."
Your next statement does rather go a long way to disproving this.

"Once again, unlike you, I like to learn. We have original manuscripts of the New Testament, third-party documents, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, that are in tact, that have been found to be the same as the Bible that was formed of them.

We do NOT have the original manuscripts of the new Testament,(which most scholars date to after the life of Christ,) some of the dead sea scrolls are similar. However there is also a large diversity of variations and interpretations within them. You only have to look at the book of genesis to see how two different creation stories were commonly told at the time of writing.

Weirdwolf

deviantchicken

And you're not boring or predictable? Coming into an article loosely involving religion and posting about how ridiculous you guys think certain beliefs are? Really? That's relevant to an acronym witnessing method of a church?

Actually my whole previous post was irrelevant to the article as well, but I was simply toppling deathbunny's wall of text with my own.

deviantchicken

Religion was made to keep people in check in the olden days. It was absolutely necessary, but in the present day as people tend to develop educated opinions (hopefully) we understand more and drift away from old principles. Maybe Christianity was based off some old myth to keep people happy under some new 'viral' religion. Maybe.

shinratech_13

Not once on here has me or any other Christian tried to insult non-Christians in that manner, have we? Talk about elitism.

TalKeaton

futurebiblehero

You claim to KNOW that I'm wrong, and thus claiming to be right about me being wrong. So yes, you are claiming to be right.

Unless you're not actually trying to claim to be right about me being wrong, in which case your entire post was pointless.

I think you were after the former, which helps your argument more than the latter but in that case my above point still stands.

TalKeaton

Jesus hated religion, too.

Gomerboy

ShaggE

You are now telling us that the scientific method can prove that an invisible deity is non-existent?

deviantchicken

In my opinion, it is. That's simply a belief. And I choose to believe the book that had far more valuable original manuscripts than the Illiad or Odyssey, spoke of historical figured known to be true by people who you know, unlike you, actually know what they're talking about, and the fact that Greek Mythology is just that. Mythology.

"To tell *me* to learn what I'm talking about is laughable, when you're saying that you follow the bible, as if it has any verifiably good information in it."

Haha. Look at you.
Acting like you know what you're talking about.

How do you think the best scholars, professors, archaeologists, Christians and religious experts discuss the Bible? By studying it. If you want to fund your illogical banter about the Bible or religion any further, I'd suggest you actually learn what you're talking about. Read the thing. I dare you. Otherwise you're simply ignorant.

"An afterlife is a lie. The concept that sin exists and someone cares about what you do, beyond the people you direclty affect is a lie. It is nothing but a fantasy with the forcefulness of wishful thinking behind it hellbent on owning people for their own sake. How many people have gone to war believing that they would live on in the afterlife, that might otherwise have avoided it out of fear? How many people have been ostracized, tormented, or killed because they allegedly posed a danger demonstrated by this fantasy book?"

I find it hilarious that you want to be taken seriously when you're proclaiming such radical statements as something "does" or "doesn't" exist when you're simply human can't prove it yourself.

Fact is, religion can't be proved or disproven. There's a crapload of evidence towards the doctrine of Christianity, and evidence against it. People will believe what they wish, but it takes faith. And in my opinion, it's a much harder gamble to believe nothing exists and pay for it in the end, than live a good-moralled life of Christianity and it ending up being untrue in the end.

"*I* need to learn? I've learned all I need to know when the twin towers were destroyed (pardon my sensationalism). All religion is wrong because it claims to know things that no one can POSSIBLY know."

Just like you claim to know the answer yourself by dismissing them?
First off, you obviously don't understand that Islam =/= Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda are a group of radical Muslims that take the religion far beyond its boundaries and declare holy war by saying God is telling them to kill these people. Not all Muslims are Al Qaeda.
Second, you don't seem to understand that the average true Christian disagrees and disapproves of not only Islam, but the violent acts of Al Qaeda. So don't put the three into a same general group, eh?

Third, Christianity at least, has evidence to various historical figures who spoke about God and the afterlife. If what the manuscripts about what Jesus said and did are true, then guess what? It's not a very blind mystery is it?

"What amazes me is how you can look virtually anywhere in the world and see religion used as a vehicle and motivation for cruelty, whether it's against homosexuals, or other religions, or against whoever happens to be unpopular, and still claim there is some kind of positive effect going on."

Once again, each religion is different in morality. Don't lump them all together.

Cruelty? The Christian doctrine teaches about loving your neighbor, loving your enemy, if a man asks that you go a mile with him, go with him two miles. Once again, ignorance of what you're talking about.

Simply because there are some crazy, radical people who do things in the name of God (Which the Bible says, people will come in God's name and deceive the nations. They are false. They are not of God.), doesn't mean that's what the religion's about. If I kill a small child in the name of Madonna, that doesn't mean I even know Madonna, or that she supports murder of small children.

As for positive effects, tell me how many orphanages, donation funds, and help groups there are in the name of Christianity? Tell me how abstinence of sex before marriage is a bad thing? It clearly solves the STD and teenage pregnancy problem? Tell me how loving your neighbor is a problem?

"Religion is the greatest evil on earth. It teaches people they are better than others if they believe things that nobody can possibly know--in fact to *IGNORE* better judgement in favor of faith that their belief is true. It does nothing to stifle the worst instincts of humanity, it feeds self interest with promises of rewards that are complete lies, and causes real learning and art to languish under principles which some fallable human being pulled out of their ass a long time ago. How much do *I* know? How much do *You* know about the political arguments which shaped the contents of the bible you revere?"

Once again, incorrect. Yes, I believe organized religion has its major faults, just look at the Crusades, they were a bunch of radical Catholics that killed people in the name of God. Does that mean that's what the Bible is about though? Of course not. The Bible doesn't say anywhere to kill those who don't believe. In fact it says pray for them and love them. The Christian doctrine itself doesn't teach that anyone is better than another. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." No one is better than another. Christians are still sinners.

If you want to blame the earth getting worse by the second on something, don't blame it on the doctrine of Christianity. The USA as a nation has fallen from its Christian roots, and so has morality. So it is falling from the top of the charts as the "best place to live".

I happen to know quite a bit about the political aspects of the forming of the Bible. Once again, unlike you, I like to learn. We have original manuscripts of the New Testament, third-party documents, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, that are in tact, that have been found to be the same as the Bible that was formed of them. It was translated by scribes, and scribes were a very valuable position in society, as they had some of the most important jobs as translating and writing various important articles for the future. It wasn't a job to be taken lightly, and we can see that they didn't. We have the original Greek and Hebrew translations and they match the first manuscripts.

The Bible doesn't teach anything about self-interest. In fact it scolds the proud. In Psalms and Proverbs it talks about God rewarding the humble and the proud getting their just consequence.

You sir, have proved that you are indeed the one that is brainwashed. Brainwashed into your own ignorance of refusing to see any sort of point of view other than your own misinformed opinion.

I suggest you pick up the Bible and read it before commenting about it. Same goes for commenting about any other belief, faith, religion.

I apologize if I've sounded a bit hasty, as I have a cold. Don't feel too well.

Good day sir, I will be praying for you.

deviantchicken

I remember running into a flash game on the web a few years back that allowed you to type in what you wanted and it would inlay it perfectly into that exact sign.

Anyone remember that too?

Guffin

Pants are science.

deathbunny

TalKeaton

"All religion is wrong because it claims to know things that no one can POSSIBLY know".
How can you be certain that religion is wrong, then? It then becomes a possibility, not an immediate wrong. In that statement you're claiming to know that Christianity is wrong, which, by your statement, is something that no one can possibly know.

You go through that entire post claiming things to be lies, like the afterlife, which by your own admission no one can possibly know.

Christianity should NEVER be used as a vehicle for cruelty. Yes, there are certain lifestyles and activities that God doesn't want for His people, but that does NOT EVER give reason for cruelty, rather, guidance. I KNOW there are people that use it incorrectly; again with my above post. They're the only ones you see, because the ones doing it correctly are the ones the news doesn't find sensational enough to report.

I know plenty about the Bible's shaping, thank you very much.

"Sanctimonious self-righteous know it alls telling me that they've humbly opened their minds to the absolute truth of the universe while I'm some barking mad savage at the gates of the city."

I could rephrase that as such:

"Sanctimonious self-righteous know it alls telling me that they've humbly opened their minds that there is no truth in the universe while I'm some barking mad savage at the gates of the city."

And it immediately becomes the situation you're putting Christianity in.

Your argument works against itself, as the very things you're decrying about your opponent you are doing yourself.

TalKeaton

Do politicians pretending to care count?

Señor Vorpal Kickass'o

An afterlife is a lie. The concept that sin exists and someone cares about what you do, beyond the people you direclty affect is a lie. It is nothing but a fantasy with the forcefulness of wishful thinking behind it hellbent on owning people for their own sake. How many people have gone to war believing that they would live on in the afterlife, that might otherwise have avoided it out of fear? How many people have been ostracized, tormented, or killed because they allegedly posed a danger demonstrated by this fantasy book?

*I* need to learn? I've learned all I need to know when the twin towers were destroyed (pardon my sensationalism). All religion is wrong because it claims to know things that no one can POSSIBLY know.

What amazes me is how you can look virtually anywhere in the world and see religion used as a vehicle and motivation for cruelty, whether it's against homosexuals, or other religions, or against whoever happens to be unpopular, and still claim there is some kind of positive effect going on.

Religion is the greatest evil on earth. It teaches people they are better than others if they believe things that nobody can possibly know--in fact to *IGNORE* better judgement in favor of faith that their belief is true. It does nothing to stifle the worst instincts of humanity, it feeds self interest with promises of rewards that are complete lies, and causes real learning and art to languish under principles which some fallable human being pulled out of their ass a long time ago. How much do *I* know? How much do *You* know about the political arguments which shaped the contents of the bible you revere?

Sanctimonious self-righteous know it alls telling me that they've humbly opened their minds to the absolute truth of the universe while I'm some barking mad savage at the gates of the city.

Religion is getting bashed? Cry me a river.

deathbunny

Weirdwolf

Oh right! Yeah... "Church"

Cchrist

Señor Vorpal Kickass'o

deviantchicken

I don't give any money to the church, as I don't have any.

deviantchicken

deviantchicken

TalKeaton

If you have no clue what happens when you die, then you're the last person to talk about whether any religion and its talk of the afterlife is true or not.

The fact is, there are old documentations and writings of various things that happened in the Bible, especially Jesus. Jesus said some radical things. Therefore, if what he said is true, then there is quite significance in what happens after you die. Duh.

deviantchicken

Bring money.

Whoops did i say Me istead of Wii again? How embarrassing.

Cchrist

deathbunny

I'm a Christian, but I follow the Bible, not religion.

Learn what on earth you're talking about, or no one is going to take you seriously.

deviantchicken

In the past the Church was used as a vehicle for power; as it gained control, many that rose through the ranks weren't doing it looking for a legitimate relationship with a loving God but for power, which they found and abused.

See, people seem to have this sort of assumption that Christians are 'perfect', and as a result those that claim Christianity but do atrocious things are the ones that make the news and the ones that we see too often. What you don't see are the hundreds travelling weekly helping rebuild New Orleans or flying to Africa to help with the AIDS epidemic.

One mark of a good follower of Christ is humility; the trouble with humility is that to the world you become invisible.

And humility and selflessness are tough attributes for most, if not all Americans. It's the character trait of putting ALL OTHER PEOPLE above yourself, Christ said that if you can't do it, or even be willing to try, you can't follow Him. It's about submitting to a higher authority and realizing that you (surprise) don't always know what's best for yourself.

Most people can't seem to pull themselves out of their own egos enough to allow the idea for anything bigger than themselves in. When you do, though, it changes the way you look at and view the world.

And that's how Christianity should be, and is to many around the world. You just see the negative examples. It's not bad, it just has broken people just like the rest of the world.

TalKeaton

ShaggE

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eugaet

Don't defend religion. Religion is terrifying. In its most pure and useful form, it is an attempt to explain things which people do not understand and don't have the urge or ability to investigate. Any institution that claims to know that my efforts on earth are ultimately secondary to some other existence I experience after death when no one has any clue about what happens after you die, is one that is displaying arrogance and cruelty on a level beyond comprehension.

Yeah, there are some people taking cheap shots without backup in this thread. At an institution that has always been about declaring how and what people should do in every aspect of their lives without any backup.

You don't need to investigate religion to know its bad. In fact, arguably, that's just another 'in' to get people to read the pamphlet.

Even apart from the larger issue, what we're seeing on that billboard is a bait and switch. It's dishonest. On par with the Vii from china. Only this is the Vii for Jesus!

In my honest opinion, interceding in this situation on the side of asshattery makes you an asshat by association.

deathbunny

deviantchicken

The Bible doesn't call anyone an asshat. And he was simply saying know what you're talking about before you talk about it. There was nothing wrong with what he said, in my eyes.

deviantchicken

If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk about it.

deviantchicken

TalKeaton

And are you saying that kids should be having sex? What kind of sick deviant sect do you belong to?
And not eating meat on fridays during lent is a common doctrine of Christianity. I don't understand the animosity towards his statement.

Though I can't stand that sign. It's disgusting. It's disrespectful towards religion. Like I stated earlier, it's offensive to sell religion to people with material objects. Why not just go all the way? Offer them sex and drugs to join your church.

Polywhirl

Another example of what I'm talking about: Baseless assumption. My above post made it pretty clear that I'm Christian (though if you note I didn't mention it explicitly). However, not all Christians are Catholic nor do they follow the rules the Vatican has laid down.

TalKeaton

However, on more pure and ecumenical subjects...

Nuzzling the feminine flower and feasting on its nectar like a humming bird with a blunted beak *counts* as fish on fridays, for the purposes of a rich full afterlife.

deathbunny

fyre

HfAsianInvasion

Seriously. It's like if I walked to where ever you are now and immediately started telling everyone around you that you were a child molester. Is it true? Probably not, could be, but since I haven't taken the time to actually investigate you or what you really stand for, how can I really know? I can't. I may have heard some things from other people about you, but can they really be taken as true unless they're coming from the source itself (i.e. you?)

Are you catching my drift here? Either leave it alone entirely or at least spend some time looking at the Bible and trying to understand it. Ask if you don't understand something. Just don't be ignorant.

TalKeaton

I was never brainwashed into the Christian religion, so I know nothing about your Bible. I'd like to keep it that way too.

dead_red_eyes

ShaggE

Michiganite is also acceptable!

z357x

Great way to display your sheer ignorance of Christianity, or perhaps just your willingness to denigrate and mock it. Simply put.

I am a Christian, and I am never offended by anyone mocking my religion, but if you're going to mock something it helps if you sound like you actually know what it's about.

Mohican

Señor Vorpal Kickass'o

Do tell?
Sure you can't prove the existence of an invisible deity, but neither can you disprove it.

As for Jesus, the majority of sane scholars agree he existed, along with other writings in that era that spoke of him.

deviantchicken

SAKY

DorkimusPrime

And your meaningless argument is relevant to the article...how?

deviantchicken

Mind telling us what exactly is wrong with this? Mind showing us where in the Bible you can't use clever acronyms?

deviantchicken

deviantchicken

What could this acronym mean though? Worship In Innocence?

deviantchicken

fullmetal7

BryanGuitarDude

TOCATL

TalKeaton

Please stop with the religion-bashing, especially when you don't understand what you're talking about.

@vicmasterinc: Religion isn't an island- secular society and religious society are and always have been integrated, however there are protective laws in this country and others that prevent one from overpowering the other from a political standpoint.

TalKeaton

Harmonica waits for the morons who removed my star

ultraViolence

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

mgy

CaptLtrl

/cough

ceredonia

futurebiblehero

tnx3

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

Señor Vorpal Kickass'o

jayntampa

I'm going to that church. I hear Ron Jeremy is the new pastor.

doubtful

deathsyth8888

BoffrO

vicmasterinc

dead_red_eyes

"The Wii. Now approved by Jesus!"

deathsyth8888

Krytha

uh...

Wii

Cchrist

@JustJake: Actually, my spanish might be off, but I think it says "it is translated inside of spanish."
And no, that's not a computer translation.

Polywhirl

JustJake