<![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> it's a great game, no problems with online for me! learn to setup your network might help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freespeech

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I cant believe it. I bought the game after good reviews with no hint of bugs and i play story for 19 mins and.
On a door someone jigs up and down, the hosptages heads and turned around, someones arm got stuck, and the enemy AI is so shit that it crossed a room to shoot at me.
I wanna patch NOW!

Masamuru123

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Just think if it had hit @ $40... or launched back in November. Either way that number would be very different, and this discussion wouldn't exist. I bought it, and I enjoy it. I find it to be no buggier than any other 360 game I own, online or off, and feel like it was worth my money @ $60. So sue me.

These days there aren't too many original games I buy @ $60 that make me feel like I got my money's worth. If R6, relatively unchanged, pulls it off twice, props to them I say. Anyone hold it against Devil May Cry that it's basically a reskinned version of the same game that's been released three times now? Hell, you get to the end of DMC only to realize they're gonna make you backtrack your way through the entire game before the credits will roll. They're recycling content before you even finish the game! Guess that's OK though, huh? It's Capcom, not Ubisoft so... it's different I guess. While we're at it, what's changed about the Burnout formula over the last five years? What about Halo, MGS, FF, or any other game series acronym you can think of? What about every Nintendo franchise release since the dawn of 3D gaming?

Yeah, Maro Kart Wii is going to change everything you know about Mario... and Karts. And your Wii. Just like Smash Brothers, Zelda, Metroid, and Mario did, right?

Do you think anyone here gonna be shitting all over Gears 2 when it's revealed to be almost exactly the same as the original with slightly improved graphics, maybe 4 player co-op, and a couple of new online features? Gonna scream bloody murder when Epic sells 6 million copies of essentially "more of the same"? What about when 2K releases Bioshock 2? The qeustion starts to become: How much "change" do gamers really want from established IP?

The real issue here is release timing, marketing, and it's impact on consumer perception of value. If Ubisoft released R6V:2 around holiday 2008, as is, with a 4th quarter marketing budget, this discussion would not exist. Might have taken them longer to hit 2 million sales, but they would have gotten there eventually. It's Rainbow Six, and it's a good game! Blashpemy I know...

My guess here is that most of the haters haven't even played Vegas 2, and therefore don't know what they're talking about. It's really too bad that ignorance has never prevented anyone from having an opinion they not only have to share, but insist is infallible.

stranger

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @tralfaz23:
He was being sarcastic.
@Soldrak:
Yeah, everyone knows that only Americans buy shooters...

stranger

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Captain Impulse:

I thought the same thing...Vegas....again??? Really???

But it doesn't feel like you're rehashing your footsteps. There are actually very few casino levels like in the first game.

GorbyGipper

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @TheEngineer: Rocking the Goggles:

I thought that GR2 retained great online play. It was much more polished but lacked some of the cooler and more tactical feeling aspects of GR1.

GRAW....I thought that game was just an abomination (as a Ghost Recon title) in single, co-op, and vs play.

The closest thing to a great tactical console game I've played in a while is Sniper Elite. It has some cardinal sins (trigger points, enemies that are accurate with an AR at distances at which you can barely snipe them), but co-op (offline only :( ) was a blast.

GorbyGipper

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> The game is great I don't care what anyone says, but I do admit there are some bugs but it's not that big of a deal though.

Fstrike

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I got it for $40 at Fry's... only complaint is not enough MP maps. I downloaded 'Streets' and 'Comcast' maps which are good. Still not enough MP maps. Only play Co-op so don't really care about SP.

I have a new rule though: don't pay full price for this stuff. Rent or find a bargain.

dumptruck

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> i love this game but when enemies pop up behind me in the dead-end 10x10 room while i do terrorist hunt i want to take the game out and crack it in half

then i respawn. thank god they put respawn into t-hunt

diablofreak

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Kyle81:

The "pop-in" spawning was there in the last game, it just wasn't as blatantly obvious. People exploited the crap out of this behavior in LVU, which was where is was most obvious. There are several triggers on each map that, when crossed, spawn in enemies nearby. This makes sniping in Terrorist Hunt pretty worthless, which is a shame. The only reasoning I can think of for this is that there has to be some sort of memory limitation. Who knows.

The triggers usually spawn in baddies within 20' to 50' of you, and the next "noise" you make beads them on you (gunshot, grenade, line of sight). God forbid if you are standing in the wrong spot and your buddy nearby triggers the wrong one. Pop. You're surrounded by eight instantly aware badasses with hair triggers.

Neur0tic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> The worst bug was the PS3 graphics and boring game bug. Thank gawd I only rented.

wisconsinista

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Soldrak:

Europe doesn't exist. Barely a continent right?

NutManIV

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I picked up the first R6Vegas just last week so see what was so awesome about it.

It's a pretty fun game the first time through, even if it gets frustrating at points, but I wouldn't spend fullprice on it or on a sequel if its just more of the same...

belo

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @wallapuctus: Not even remotely same. Those games are actual new games, often done from scratch.

R6V2 is merely R6V1, with some changes. Majority of the game is the content from the first game just touched up for a sequel release. It's really just an expansion being sold as a full blown sequel at full price.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Bugs aside, you can make all the same complaints about your beloved Wii games. I'm sorry but Zelda and Metroid Prime 3 are exactly the same as their predecessors, but people heap praise upon them because of the fond 8-bit memories.

wallapuctus

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Confession time. I was so against buying it because of the reasons Luke gives but I gave into peer pressure and part nostalgia. Plus the MP improved graphics, better ranking system, sprinting won me over. So far I have seen some small bigs, stutters and heard of a achievement bug that was in the first won and well documented so at least UBI hasn't changed. They keep those 'features' in across all versions. I am surprised I haven't got a DDE yet. Still overall I'm happy w/ the game as long as I don't concentrate on the week story and just look at them as individual battles to win.

inajeep

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Captain Impulse: The story is pretty bad and it's a huge stretch on an already pretty over the top story. The resolution of the whole thing is sooooo bad too. The story is totally disjointed as it bounces around the events of the first and it's so stupidly simple that I didn't get it at first, cause I couldn't have imagined such a stupid storyline. Majority of it is just reusing the assets from the first game too. And game changes are freaking pathetic. Enemies now magically spawn instead of actually existing on the levels in R6V2. You literally in various parts of the game will see a terrorist just magically spawn in front of your eyes. Online terrorist hunt has been ruined by this..... I had a terrorist once spawn behind me, while I was on a perfectly secured roof with someone watching the only way up. *poof* your dead....

The final battle is you alone versus an attack chopper.... the dumbest moment in Rainbow Six history no doubt.

New guns and gear! Oh boy! I expected lot of new stuff, but really they only added a handful of new weapons. The game still pales in comparison to the greatness that was R6:3 on the PC with it's treasure trove of weaponry (that was fairly accurately portrayed too).

The ACES system while neat in concept, just make it easier for people to get the best weapons as they just concentrate on the areas they want weapons.

And wow, the maps online SUCK. So many bad maps, so cluttered and messy. They tried to recreate some classic maps and failed. Seriously why couldn't they just let us have all the maps from R6V1? They could have easily gave us all those maps plus the new ones.

There is a few improvements in the game, but really this should not have cost me $60.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Kyle81: I haven't played either so I'm no expert on the matter at all, but when I saw an announcement for a sequel, I found myself asking: "Really? Is there really enough depth to the idea of a 'tactical counter-terrorist unit' in Las Vegas to fill up two entire games?" Seemed like a bit of a stretch.

Captain Impulse

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> God I hate myself for buying this piece of shit, I loved the original, I was weak and had to buy this one, what a huge turd of bugs and rehash.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Soldrak: Not sure if you were aware, but there are a lot more markets than just the US and Japan.

Captain Impulse

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Captain Impulse: Yeah sure man, this game will no doubt sell boatloads in Japan. /rollseyes

Secondly, I never said it wasn't made in Canada.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @subterfunk: LOL

Hylian

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I don't like Ubisoft, they make stinker after stinker and I keep buyin 'em. Damn them.

enspik

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I won't boycott, but I'll never pay full price for an Ubisoft game.

Scuba Steve

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Xcite79: You are right, if it had sold 200,000 I would have enjoyed the game a lot more. You see, I base my enjoyment factor on how many units the game sold, rather than my personal interests.

Libo

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Lot krotan (wut?): The media didn't dock points off Halo 3. It got great scores everywhere. It deserved to have lower scores.
There have been 3 proper 3-D Mario games in the past 11 years, and each one is different enough and varied in its gameplay to warrant the high score.

excel_excel

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I'm sick of Ubisoft. They can shove there constant Wii shovelware, glitchy expansion packs dressed as sequels up there ass...

But er...if they make a Naruto: Rise of a Ninja 2...er...call me

excel_excel

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Soldrak: Because Americans are the only ones who will buy this game. Not to mention it was developed in Canada.

Captain Impulse

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Vegas 2 was pretty much exactly what I expected, a slight improvement over Vegas. The new reload cancel technique, new weapons, ACES system etc. sll make it better.

If you didn't like Vegas 1 you probably won't like this, but it was one of my favourite shooters so this was pretty much a no brainer.

Dioxen

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> American fascination with violent shooters never ceases to amaze!

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> How many got broaght back? Because a friend of mine played his like an hour or so?

Cchrist

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> The game isn't garbage because it is a expansion pack. Use your head. The first was considered great. More of the same is a letdown but it isn't bad. Stop overreacting people.

I guess because 2 million is a "popular" number makes it cool to downgrade. Geez...

Xcite79

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Witzbold: fuckin amen.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> If it wasn't for the problems it came along with... it could have sold bazillion copies.

Snappywave

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @bighit006: People who liked the first but didn't know the game would be so badly broken?

Captain Impulse

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> honestly who buys this trash. do people think before they buy a game?

bighit006

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @EloraHRanma: That and if they are going to use the licensed gun names they sure as hell better get the specs right.

Im sure theres quite a few "amused" folks who work at FN laughing at how ubi fucked up the fire mode selections on the P90 and FN-FNC. That and goes to show just how great their QA process is to not have caught that bug either.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @EloraHRanma: They managed to make the game somehow worse than the original. Granted the ACES system is cool and all, things just dont seem to flow as well as the first one.

My friend is flipping out over the excessive INSTAPOP enemies also which is by far a lot worse in RSV2 than the first one also. :/

Even in terrorist hunt you can see them spawn in when triggered by locations on the map. Not fun I say. :x

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @njhardcoreguy: By that definition, most sequels are expansion packs.

Captain Impulse

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Witzbold: Wow, Witz! What's on your breakfast! You sure are trigger happy with these people =)

And regarding this "bugs a'plenty but keep selling" discussion:
These is one of the most important issues that took the PC gaming industry where it is right now (and the one developers mention the least). People just got tired of buggy games and turned into consoles, because games just worked. No drivers problems, no requirements, NO FIXES, no lock ups.
I remember clearly the first time I heard of a fun-breaking bug in a console: Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 in PS2. The fix was "Walk through the riff without getting close to the birds, so they don't start flying.
In that very moment I feared we would come to this.

They are falling into the same hole PC development did and four years from now they will wonder why people stopped buying a million units of SuperGame part VL in the first week.

This plus the multi-model market and the failure rate of the 360 are gonna hurt the next generation of consoles very, very badly.
I hope it does because, otherwise, it's gonna be much worse.

EloraHRanma

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @njhardcoreguy: Halo3 would be and expansion to Halo 2, or what they couldnt include. Halo is an upgrade from both imo. I do not like the so called "balanced weapons" in Halo2 and Halo3. I still rather play halo 1 due to the even playing field, everyone gets a "sniper" pistol. If you cant use it too bad, gtfo or get better. I hate the halo2 halo3 weapons./end rant

sovietspartan

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> ...since it shows Ubisoft can release any old guff and get away with charging $60 for it...

See, when I bought it, I hadn't heard about the bug that made it unable to GO ONLINE. In fact, I wouldn't really call that a bug so much as a missing feature, but that's besides the point.

Even Kotaku's review didn't mention this level of broken, though I guess since you guys never touched the PS3 version that is not surprising.

Point is, if I had heard about these issues before hand, I would have not bought the damn thing. But, I didn't, so I did.

PapaBear434

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Call me spoiled by COD4, but I'm truly sorry that I bought this game. Like the first one, but to call this a new game is a bit of a joke.

UNSTOPPABLE

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Someone make Konami fix pes2008 while were bitching.

Pornosaur

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Dear Ubisoft,

FIX THE GODDAMNED P90 AND FN-FAL

The fire modes are reversed for fucks sake!

Hate you always,
Witz

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @slomo788: no the hell it didn't. Not for campaign mode. It claimed it did 4 player co-op but i didn't see shit.

It did for like the stupid little missions....if it did allow for 2-4 player co-op campaign holy shit im the worst video game player ever.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Good thing I got my copy for free. I predict though that R6V3 (which will come for sure) will crash and burn, no matter if it's another expansion or a truly great, new game. Players will remember Vegas 2.

Poison

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @NPlace: EA have a 20% stake in Ubisoft and have been trying to assimilate them for quite some time.

ErskinPig

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Covert_Knight

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @ErskinPig: ...what?

NPlace

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> On the upside, a successful Ubisoft is an Ubisoft out of EA's control.

I blame EA for forcing Ubisoft to play it safe by rushing out established franchies (much like EA themselves, how tragic). They're a wolf that is constantly at Ubisoft's door. It's so sad that their behaviour has such a widespread knock-on effect in this industry :(.

God that's depressing. On the brightside, somewhere in the world, a child was just born!

But somewhere else another one died! :'(

ErskinPig

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Polywhirl: Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, and I never said they weren't. I'm completely fine with thoughtful discussion... but there comes a point where it's just bashing.

C0MB1N3 C0MPL3X

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Meh, thought about picking it up, but I put my money towards God of War: Chains of Olympus. For some reason I was putting it off. I have no idea why, that is probably the best damn portable game I've ever played. Still trying to make it through the 'God' difficulty.

I remember several weeks ago, I started playing Halo 3 again after a huge CoD4 binge, and it felt somewhat slow. I went on another CoD4 binge and then tried to go back to Rainbow Six: Vegas, and it was like a fucking sloth on morphine!

NinjaBurg3r

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> besides a few ps3 bugs, i really like the game, its not a true sequel true, but it was worth it. oh and ubi said no more vegas games, the story is done.

npa190

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @C0MB1N3 C0MPL3X: I'll paraphrase that for people, so they don't waste their time:

"Don't bother expressing your opinion on something. I want to make sure progress never occurs through thoughtful discussion."

There ya go! Seriously though, don't insult people for saying that they thought the game scammed them.

Polywhirl

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Guess what guys? If you aren't one of those two million and don't like the game... then don't buy it. If you are one of those two million and don't like the game... take it back and don't buy the 3rd.

Personally, I think the game is a big improvement over the first, and I enjoy playing it. Gears of War was one really buggy game at times... but it was still fun. It's not like Vegas 2 is unplayable... shesh.

If you don't like it, don't play it.

C0MB1N3 C0MPL3X

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @GorbyGipper:
I don't know about GRAW, but I will agree that Rainbow Six has lost lots of it's tactical appeal. I actually sort of liked Vegas 1, but I didn't play it much. In fact, it was the only Rainbow Six that I have liked since I played the first on the N64.

TheEngineer

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I'm as guilty as any consumer in making the newest "tactical" shooter from Ubi a success. I'm going to sell it shortly (reward Ubisoft for crapping out another ho-hum shooter and reward Gamestop for their awful used games program....worst of both worlds).

I HATE that any and all tactics have been missing from Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six for years.
I HATE that Ubisoft isn't going to go back to that formula.
I HATE that I have to go back and play SWAT4 to get a reletively recent tactical experience.

Yet I still bought the poorly coded piece of crap. It's fun, but there are so many faults.
-Terrorists spwaning not only mid-round in terrorist hunt (bad enough) but mid-round in-front of my face.
-It seems that the "I have no gun" glitch from R6V has been replaced with R6V2's equally game-breaking "all my face buttons are not responding and my view keeps shifting upwards" glitch.
-As much as people hype the graphics and environments, it feels like the game hasn't changed much from R63 if you play it on realistic...which is probably for the best. Reinventing Ghost Recon as GRAW absolutely killed that franchise for me. Still, it's a $60 game that's nearly identical to the version from about a year back that plays almost entirely like a game from five years ago.

I've actually enjoyed all the Splinter Cell titles (though the campaign in Pandora Tomorrow was kinda crap for the most part), but the new direction for SC5 has me worried. Assassin's Creed with Emo Hair staring Michael Ironside, anyone?

I'd do anything for just one well-polished and actually tactical shooter for the 360. I still feel that the most tactical-feeling 360 game out there is Perfect Dark Zero's Dark-Ops mode....and that has swords, boomerangs, rockets, plasma rifles, jet packs, etc.

Give me some old school GR1 remade for today, some Rogue Spear, some SWAT....something....

GorbyGipper

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Albanian_Killa: "so I held out on buying it until I heard public opinion and I'm glad I saved me $60 on an expansion pack. No thanks UbiSoft, that money's going into the Warhawk expansion pack, cheaper, better."

Wait...

According to Wikipedia, for about $8, that Warhawk expansion adds one new vehicle and one new map.

For $60, Vegas 2 adds 10 new maps usable in both traditional adversarial modes and terrorist hunts, 11 new weapons, 2 new adversarial modes, and an all-new campaign, among other, more minor additions.

How twisted is the logic that declares the former a great deal and the latter a ripoff?

Bishmon

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I'm renting it, this is the first Rainbow six game I've ever played, and it is actually really fun.

AUAnonymous

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Oh noes, Kotaku is eating comments again. This better not be an April Fool's joke. Then again, I was half expecting everyone's accounts to be "banned" for the day.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> i picked it up. i was bored and GTA IV is still a few weeks off.

SAGA

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Sunatic: There is a difference between systems and games, though. Sony does not want to send out too many PS3s, especially when they were losing money. If Sony had shipped 10 million PS3s but not sold any, they would have lost something like 4 billion dollars when you factor in that they lost $400 per system at the beginning. Systems make their money on software, etc. Meanwhile, games are pure profit when they are shipped. Game studios don't have to worry as much as the system manufacturers if their game sits on the shelves because they have already sold the game to the retailer and made their money. Unless there are expansions later on, that game doesn't make them any more money once it is purchased by a customer and these online games actually cost them more money per game sold because they have to support the game with servers and such.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @ManjiKengo: R6V also allowed 2 player co-op offline. I read rumors of single player DLC for CoD4 (plus the online maps). They could have done it like this and sold the whole thing for $30. Maybe even $40 to push it. But this is BS, and as a fan of Vegas 1, I'm very disappointed.

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Sunatic: no, I was going to say something about that too but no one mentioned it before me so i was scared. I'm getting sick of the "shipped" numbers. it's such shit.

mgs2 had 7 million SHIPPED.
r6v2 had 2 mill SHIPPED
ps3 had 12 million SHIPPED(i dunno the real number im just pulling it from my ass)
Halo 3 had 9 million SHIPPED!

blah blah...lets talk REAL sales figures here from retailers. When retailers buy games it doesn't = a sale.
when consumers buy games it = sales.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @slomo788: well, the campaign mode allows for 2 player co-op per xbox console so the visuals take a hit from that. It takes place in vegas at the same time as r6v but it hardly takes place in the same parts. You actually start the game in paris in a flashback that sets the game up for the main villain.

The online versus only really has 1 map that's from r6v and that's killhouse but it seems slightly different. I get what you're saying, but it doesn't hold up too well for r6v2 considering it is a new game despite having the same controls and visuals.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> when sony says they shipped ps3's....
but it's okay if it's ubisoft...

Sunatic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @ManjiKengo: I hope I'm wrong, but from what I've seen, R6V2 is just the same game with slightly better graphics, in the same environment and with minimal gameplay changes. Graphic improvements + few gameplay changes= free update in any normal game (especially a shooter). New maps= $10 for 4 maps, as MS has set the standard to be. For a new player, it's a good deal, but for me who played the first one already, I think it's unfair. At least Konami could say that DLC did not exist yet for Substance and Subsistence, but Ubisoft has no excuse. And I won't even mention the lower framerate for PS3 (in this day and age!) and the online clusterfuck.

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @ServiceMaster:
BURN!!!

TheEngineer

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Don't blame me, I bought Used!

So can I apply to be an Ubisoft Game Tester? Seems like that job would be easy since they do nothing at all.

ServiceMaster

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Nothing pissed me off more then enemies appearing into existence before my eyes, locked and loaded while my teammates refused to throw a smoke grenade where I needed it.

mikeluisortega

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MrAkash: LOL... ok, I get you now :) I'm easily confused, I should have figured that's what you meant. I forget people normally don't randomly say screwed up things like I do :(

It's really unfortunate that companies like this rely on people not knowing what they're getting for the success of their game. At the same time that you don't expect a company to say things like we ship our games with bugs... its sad that they go through extra steps to have them concealed by trying to strong-arm the media to not expose the issues that would otherwise force them to please a competent game.

When this expansion is launched as a full game, it kind of says it all about what Ubisoft is becoming doesn't it? Ubi doesn't want to bought out by EA but they are becoming like EA in terms of how they strain the quality of their products to make annual sales marks. Sadly as this proves, as with Assassin's Creed, it works.

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @jetsmanfoley: All I know is as soon as I saw the ad for this game on Mega64's website, I was sold.

TheCheese33

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> It would be one thing to bitch about it being an expansion pack if the first one sucked, but it didn't. R6V was awesome and people wanted more of it. You don't fix what isn't broken. After all the games industry is a business, so why risk millions on a new IP when you already have a high quality one that can be expanded upon?

Lucidity

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> That is pathetic. I mean, RSV is not a bad game, and I was going to buy this one, but when I heard from the previews, I said "This is exactly like the old one!" so I held out on buying it until I heard public opinion and I'm glad I saved me $60 on an expansion pack. No thanks UbiSoft, that money's going into the Warhawk expansion pack, cheaper, better.

M4A1 SD

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> "@Lot krotan (wut?): "Game A is worth the money, while the sequel has more features, better graphics, and is more tweaked yet it gets a worse score."

Yeah, it really doesn't make sense. A lot of people liked the original for what it did. It would be dumb for Ubisoft to make a sequel to that game that did something different. If a sequel to a game I like is just more of the same, well, good! That means it's more of what I liked!

And Vegas 2 certainly offers up more. There's an all new campaign that took me and a buddy about seven hours to complete on normal. It's got a dozen new multiplayer maps usable both in deathmatch and co-op terrorist hunts. There's a couple new multiplayer game types. They even evolved the gameplay a little bit by adding in a sprint and bullet penetration.

But I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind about the game. If someone already finds the game's existence unnecessary, there's nothing I can say to change that.

Bishmon

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @slomo788: I'm going to hold you to that comment.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MisterSleep: Although, to be technical, the word *is* being used as an adjective in the article...

MrBionic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @JesseLacey: I've had tons of framerate issues and random fuckers killing me without them even popping their heads out from cover; all I've seen were their gun barrels pokin through the walls. Perhaps that's just lag though.

Usually I play on the dedicated servers though.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Lot krotan (wut?): Don't worry, I've caught flack from people before for a similar comment. I had made a criticism about how game reviewers pick and choose when they want to say that a game that is just a bit better than its predecessor means that it gets a better score and when it gets a worse score. Just look at SSBB compared to R&C. For SSBB, all the reviews went to the measure of "95% scoring Melee with small improvements: 100%" meanwhile for R&C, the ratings went more like "95% scoring R&C Size Matters with a few improvements= more of the same, so 90%." Reviewers can't seem to stick to a uniform dock the score points for being similar to previous iterations or rating the game as though it had no predecessors.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MisterSleep: How am I supposed to be a decent grammar nazi when they keep going wishy-washy on me? lol

MrBionic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @I Think We're Property:
"Was it so hard to make eyeballs not clip through characters eyelids?"

I guess so, especially with the UE3. Has anybody else noticed this? Mass Effect, Gears, and now Vegas 2. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. I fucking hate the UE3. A lot of it's games seem to have the same shitty graphical glitches. It can make good looking games like Bioshock, but it seems like there are more crappy looking ones. The original Vegas still looked a whole shitload better than this one.

TheEngineer

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> what were these problems so to speak ive played many hours and never ran into any?

Charlie Kelly

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> thru dat...! I didn't even want this game, untill my buddies were all gettin it so I caved in. I am sooooo upset with myself in falling prey to hype. I returned the game after 2 days of crappy online for PS3 and the giant 3GB install. I will be forced to install a 250GB HDD and be done with the whole storage issue for a long time.

JorgieX

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> OOops. "myriad problems" Between reading it, and posting, my mind wandered.

MrBionic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MrBionic: both are acceptable: [en.wikipedia.org]

MisterSleep

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> man...i not really interested in the series but i almost want to pirate the game out of spite >.>;;;;;

demonknightinuyasha

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @okenny :):

Nah, I was relieved that I heard the game was essentially broken and therefore the temptation was gone.

Next test? End War, or EndWar, whatever.

MrAkash

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @slomo788:

It's not really an expansion pack though...

granted 60 bucks for the vidya is pushing it no matter what.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Vegas 2 was...okay, story wise.

It takes place at the same time logans team is running through vegas. My fav level online is the theater.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> The day I pay $60 for an expansion pack I will swallow a razor wire, pull it out of my ass and floss myself to death.

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MrAkash: I know about the controversy. What confuses me is that you seemed as though you were trying to boycott a noble effort but it caused you so much pain that you were relieved when you fell off the wagon... at least the the gist i got from what you said :\

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Proud to not have bought this game, but kudos to everyone who's enjoying it.

Xiedo

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Grammar Nazi Dick Alert:

It's "myriad stuff". No "of". That is all.

To hell with Rainbow Six Vegas 2. Anything Tom Clancy isn't worth my time.

MrBionic

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I wouldn't mind so much if the game wasn't actually in many ways *worse* than the original. The control interface, for instance, is crap compared to the original Vegas- I rarely had any trouble with the original, but I can't count the number of times the new one has gotten me killed. And how is it that NPC models actually looked better in the original? Was it so hard to make eyeballs not clip through characters eyelids?

Of course, I also wouldn't be so pissed if every review I'd seen before picking it up hadn't given the damn thing a 9.0 rating or better and a glowing description. Nice journalistic integrity, boys.

I Think We're Property

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Waka in Japan: Yea, but not too many copies are just sitting on shelves.

@droopy: You poor soul. Then again, I was shocked when I had realized that I had 12 PS3 games and 30 BR movies. I don't even know how I accumulated so much, except for the BOGO offers for BR movies on Amazon.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @BlindedFTW:

I'm talking media, not average joe reviews. It's great that you think that all Halo games suck, that wasn't the argument at hand.

Lot Krotan

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Wow..2 million units..

Guess garbage does sell. Then again, consumers love giving money to fiddy and the likes.

Fyren

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> They say shipped, that doesn't mean...
well, you know the drill.

Waka in Japan

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Polywhirl: I can say with only a little bit of shame that my ps3 game collection consists solely of "game title 4" games

droopy

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @okenny :):

That shit about Ubisoft blackballing Ziff because of their Assassin's Creed review. That's why there wasn't any preview coverage of R6V2 in Ziff publications.

I mean, I don't always love Ziff...but any publisher that pulls this needs to be blackballed by the gamer.

MrAkash

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Lot krotan (wut?): Simple. Because they already played the same game for twenty hours.
If you're getting the same game again, why bother spending a dime on it? Go play the old one.

Polywhirl

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Isn't this the same thing EA got crap for 2 years ago, and everyone said "Ya, Ubisoft is great because they don't do that" . . well, here ya go. Ubisoft just figured out what makes money.

Fuzz

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @Lot krotan (wut?): Halo has always been shit :>

BlindedFTW

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MrAkash: I also boycott Ubisoft

subterfunk

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @MrAkash: huh?!

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I'm not big on FPS's, and Call of Duty 4 is still keeping my attention, surprisingly. Maybe this will be my next FPS purchase when I'm done with CoD4, it doesn't look too bad, and I enjoy tactical based games more than run and gun games.

Figroti

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> @subterfunk: perfect at being tedious and boring perhaps

tralfaz23

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I'm still boycotting Ubi for that Ziff bullshit. This was the game that would've come closest to me breaking my oath. Thankfully, it's broken.

MrAkash

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> So far my biggest let down of 2008, This game really did come off as nothing more then a glorified expansion pack to me.

mikeluisortega

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Rainbow 6 Vegas 3 confirmed :(

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> kinda glad I didn't get it, there's other games coming out soon that I should definately save up for. This game is a maybe when I get more money.

GM08

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I am ashamed to be a part of that 2 million, I thought the game would be so much more than it is. Boy, was I mistaken.

Libo

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I hate the "it's basically the same with some new textures and features" attitude. Who cares? The media loved the first one, and gave it all kinds of good scores. If another game comes along that does everything just a little bit better, it's "not worth the money." How does that make since? Game A is worth the money, while the sequel has more features, better graphics, and is more tweaked yet it gets a worse score. Example is Halo 3. Why dock some points for it being "halo 2 HD" when in reality it had Forge, Saved Films, more weapons, more vehicles, 4 player online co op, etc and isn't worth the price you paid for the second one?

Oh wait, there is an exception. Mario, Zelda, and Dragon Quest. Rabid fanbases do wonders to media "opinions."

Lot Krotan

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Maybe I should possibly think about maybe considering borrowing this game.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> At least Assassin's Creed was perfect.

subterfunk

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> They've also been advertising the hell out of it. I'm sure that helped.

jetsmanfoley

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> I bought this because I never played the original, so it's all new to me (and I love it). I can understand why people refer to it as an expansion pack though. From what I hear the graphics and gameplay are slightly upgraded.

Then again... wouldn't that make Halo 2 an expansion to the original?

njhardcoreguy

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> Sequels sell. That simple. I know a guy who buys games simply because they're sequel.
He bought R6V2, and I asked him why.
His response:
"I don't know? Because it was good enough to have a second one?"
The funny part is that he hated the original one.

Polywhirl

]]> <![CDATA[Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Bugs And All, Ships 2 Million]]> online for the ps3 is fixed but bugs still remain

ChoZ3nWon

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