Don't get me wrong, this demo of the demo of the next GT game looks amazing, it's just that that's all it has going for it.

XeO3

Also, many people have pointed this out already but I'll tell you again. You CANNOT get a real world car to get crumpled in a game without the car manufacturer suing your ass. Licensing is a bitch.

Waterwings

Would you pay 3 dollars to watch extended movie trailers?

6 tracks are a bit more then a normal demo, then again; for a game with gazillion tracks/mirrors, 6 tracks might be just right for a GT franchise demo

Fyren

Grive

karnag3

Thank you. So many people constantly bag on Forza's damage system because of the minor exterior damage done to the car. It's not about that, people it's what's under the hood that counts and that's where Forza's damage modeling excels.

Sure, it may not look entirely realistic but the impact a crash has on your car's handling/performance is indeed very realistic and personally, I'd be impressed to see Polyphony one-up Forza in that respect.

The_Game21x

Badben

Ravenous

artofwar420

Thats sony for you.

Altima NEO

Tepoz

To me this kind of game is like a teadrinking simulator. That's fine, i enjoy a warm cup of tea myself, but a game in which i do so and am supposed to do it impeccably according to some very strict standard (liquid leaves cup, enters oral cavity and subsequently stomach with no spillage) over and over and over again, only to be rewarded with increasingly larger cups.. Oh dear sweet jesus, let me get back to ninjas, pirates, dinosaurs and space aliens.

I do enjoy PGR though, but mostly because they manage to tread the line between driving properly and driving like a lunatic, and often call for the latter explicitly through their kudos system. I found myself wishing desperately for more to do in Forza2, and that's exactly what i've felt the few times i've played earlier GT games. I have the utmost respect for the people that can put up with it though. The car tribe exists, and for them this rests on quantities intangible to the rest of us.

Then again, these are "Simulations", no? It's not like Falcon 4.0 was for the Myst fan, or SSN-21 Seawolf really appealed to the Battletoads fan. I myself have a bizarre hangup on helicopter sims where difference in handling really makes a profound impact on my choice of helo. Longbow 2 for the win.

Sunjammer

I wouldnt get the game, because Id rather wait for the whole GT experience.. but its not a ripoff by any sensible measure.

gaspode

ca$h

UFO

lucky_7s

adswright

??how is that sony you fool??? they been doin prologues forever bro. Its for people who love actual driving sims. Not for dumb people who wanna play juiced or need for speed. This is for the serious fans who love cars.

CQC_NastyN8

Muckley

vtsupra

GershamClymenus

it does the things well that its always done well, but seems not to improve on anything its been bad at in the past.

the limited track selection and shoddy online play have convinced me that i will CERTAINLY not buy it. (and i was considering it too!)

joelface

The 'bumper cars' is a design issue. I never seen people get excited about barely touching a wall and falling out of the race. If you keep bitching for something like that get ready to bitch when you learn how poorly you 'really drive'. Do you even disable assists?

Mongoosekun

DrunkRaba

Played a lot of PS2 and PSN games though. ;p

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

"PROLOGUE"

It's in the title for everyone to see. You are not being cheated, it is what it is. It's a small game, it's cheap, the online's not perfect....but it's still fun and entertaining, and all of us folks bitching about it is going to make the full game better for it.

So if you like cars, and have a PS3, just buy the game. I loved it, you'll love it, it looks pretty, sounds pretty, and you can drive a pretty looking Ferrari or two (I personally don't own a Ferrari or two so find this point quite appealing)

The real problem is the FUCKERS in 90% of online races who think ramming other cars off the track is the way to get ahead in a race..... where's the god damn skill and etiquitte gone.

Anybody else shout at the TV screen and throw the old sixaxis across the room when they get arse-ended off the track on the final lap?

Eura_Spaztic

+ Watch video

After seeing some GT5P online gameplay videos on youtube, it seems that some have problems, and some doesn't. I'm one of those who have problems :/

Gjerven

71 cars. Six tracks... many of which has more than one version. For example, Daytona and Suzuka. Both have short version and a long version. Some tracks can be driven the other way around... almost becomes a whole new track.

The game has 10 challenges/races in four classes: A, B, C and S. Thats a total of 40 races.

And now I'm not counting the manufactures races, which would make this number a lot higher.

It has online play. I have never seen a demo with online play (maybe laggy for you, but works PERFECTLY here in Norway).

You have 2-player split screen, Time Trail mode and a Drift Mode.

So please shut up with the demo talk. It's not a full game, hence the price tag, but it's not a demo.

Last time I played a racing demo, it had two tracks and three cars. One game mode. No multiplayer etc.

Not. A. Demo.

fresky

Lucidity

However, this increasingly high level of simulation can eventually narrow the audience further down, while increasing development costs, and thusly costs to the consumer. Hence, $40, not $15. For that, a gamer can purchase the new bionic commando instead.

The fact that the Gran Turismo experience continues, and continues to improve over time makes me happy- regardless of my actual interest in the content. The "videogame" industry is holding up well in this economy, when so many other things are collapsing.

Time to go back to school...

Mega-Driven

GT5 Prologue is exactly what it is the 'prologue', you don't read the prologue of a book and complain that it didn't contain the entire book. (Admittedly, the prologue is usually contained within the same volume as the rest of the book). Prologue is basically half the price of a full game and is clearly y much more than a simple demo. I don't recall all this fuss over GT4. Hell, I imported GT4 Concept from Japan and loved it.

djack

Oh, and the car info going away. That pissed me off. The little narratives that you saw in GT1, 2 and 3 when you went to buy a car. I missed that. I read the entire manual hoping there was some button I had to press to see it, but no.

GT4 left such an awful taste in my mouth I would have to be completely assured that all that shit was long gone before I'd even consider getting GT5.

I want Gran Turismo 2, except with better physics, better graphics, more tracks, and more cars.

@Fluffy22:
It's a cheap and lazy way to make a game longer. It makes the game longer at the cost of making people want to spend less time playing it.

TechnoDestructo

Your XBL tag reveals you stupidity, therefore your stupid comment.

neoraul20

Love cars.
Loved GT series.
Got a PS3 (and love it)
Got the $40 (this I don't love that much to keep for life)
Will buy GT5P.

Why is it so difficult to understand?
In the end GT5P will sell millions and GT5 even more. No one will be forced to buy something for it to happen, THEIR MONEY WILL BE SAFE. DO NOT PANIC. DO NOT WORRY.

For the reviewer: Finished with the game in a day? Lack of content? To little for 40 dlls?
Easy=boring, hard=hell? Well... THANKS! This will keep away many gamers real GT players don't want to race online.

OrangeR

And here I thought Prologue just meant Introduction. You know, the actual meaning.

When I played Prologue all I was thinking was "Prologues are supposed to give you a taste of the full thing to come, if all I'm gonna get is more of this, they can keep it." It has absolutely no redeeming virtues outside of the eye-candy (which is bountiful).

And I'm a HUGE GT fan -- I bought a PS2 JUST to play GT on. And the PS3, which has seen other titles in it, GT was 95% of the driving force (no pun intended) behind that purchase.

SigmaHyperion

ckranger11

As for the previous (most of the comments for the idiots) it's GT5: [b]Prologue[/b] hope you get the prologue part, so it's a good way for PD to test it out, it's mostly aimed a GT fans and so and if you think it's too expensive, then just don't fucking buy it, it's THAT simple.

alba

reptile168

My complaints about this game so far:
* No replays for splitscreen
* It doesn't seem like you can have different control layouts for different players
* The sense of speed isn't that good

Haven't tried online yet...
(I should note that I usually enjoy arcady racing games more)

Harteex

it doesnt matter what you say it is, its a demo they make you pay for. add that to the final game price and thats 100 dollars + what ever microtransactions that will surely come

kommanderk

pandafresh

excel_excel

UFO

its 100% bullshit that gameing fanboys came up with as an excuse.

as for damage, i dont really give a rats ass it isnt 100% realistic in forza, the bigger point is it effects your cars handeling, which has a huge impact on raceing. its not fun to play multiplayer raceing when some one can smash you out of the way and just take over the lead.

i playd all the gt games and enjoyd them but ultimatly got bored of them fast. Forza is actually fun and plays more like a game. though I would say id take gt over forza if they fixed a few things. damage being one of them.

kommanderk

TaMs

Forza 2? You got one track and like 24 cars. Moto GP? One track and one bike. PGR4? I remember 2 tracks, and I think you could pick one of two vehicles for each. DiRT? 3 events, and you are stuck with the car they give you. NFS ProStreet? 2 events, and you can't choose what cars you drive.

Really, where are you people getting your demos?

baxterpunch

Remember GT4? That had a Prologue version released only in Japan. I bet that Japanese players didn't whine though, and most waited for the full version.

SG79

Gam3r

How could this not be a bad idea? Especially for the people who don't read these gaming sites and wander into a best buy and hand over $45 for what is really a demo?

I'm sure that a ton of GT fans are psyched to play anything at all- but they're gonna get burned by the folks who thought they were buying a racing game. I doubt the box actually says "Demo" or "not a finished game" on it, does it?

KilgoreTrout__XL

Let's hope Sony can get their act together for the final one, they DO have another year..

Y2Jason

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

Strangelove

celery

Fairly sure all the gran turismos have had some form of racing line.

p4ddym1607

/sigh fanboys.

I think what the major issue is that, you're getting essentially a multiplayer demo, yet the multiplayer is quite broken. From what I got through friends and following comments here, you cannot play with friends, no voice chat and it is very laggy. If Forza did this (selling a broken demo for $40) next game they make, you can be sure that I'll be as mad as hell. I'm sure the finished and final product will be a great game, I have no doubts about that. But the development process is taking too long, and this I think will tick off anyone who was interested.

Covert_Knight

It is? When I played it I thought it was one of the best racing packages in the history of videogames. You must be a hard man to please. To outright call a game that was hailed by critics "garbage" must mean that you taste in forms of entertainment eclipse those of the great Roger Ebert and the food critic from Ratatouille.

Leobebes

Oh, right.

Spoony Bard

Nice game...well demo really, but it's up to whoever is buying or not buying to decide whether it's a worthwhile purchase. Worthwhile or not though it is an expensive demo.

Llost

Online right now has more problems than just lag and the bumper cars approach with the wierd penalty point system for crashes.

The other online problems are

1. No voice chat at all.
2. No ability to play with friends it's 100% random rooms without voice chat. A lonely, anonymous experience.
3. When hosts drop the room crashes.
4. No lobbies, so you're in a race and then dropped out.
5. No ability to customize the online races (ie no settings).
6. Leaderboards...

All of these things can be fixed by the time GT5 releases, but for now Prologue is really either a demo or a beta depending on how you look at it.

JackB99

I played the demo of GT Prologue and enjoyed it, but I just don't feel that it offers enough for $40. Hell, I played GT HD LOTS of times, and that was just on ONE TRACK! So I'm sure that you and others will get plenty of play out of it.

Again, I just don't agree with the price personally. And I don't agree with those that buy this and support this type of release. Nor do I support those who buy the same sports game every year just for the rosters. You're just allowing them to justify gouging the customer - which is ultimately you and me both.

Spoony Bard

PurpleMonkey

And Turn 10 has low standards? Please

When all is said and done, the GT damage modeling is probably going to be purely cosmetic in nature anyway.

Snuffbox

pandafresh

This will be the first PS3 game disc inserted into my year old PS3.

Canadian Impostor

1) The grind is to be expected. The same can be said for Forza, Moto GP, or GTR2. You race for money... you win/lose...rinse and repeat.

2) 6 tracks.... Its a demo.

3) Collision Model... I'm not sure what setup you have or even what settings you tested but on "simulation mode" the handling and collision kicks up a notch even on my old GT3 wheel. But for the full effect I was glad to have played it on the Logitech G25 at the NYC 2008 Car Show. The G25 had excellent feedback but if your playing with the dualshock 3 or less don't expect the feel of a car through a controller.

dadeisvenm

I can't believe so many people don't realize the fools they're being taken for. But then again there's that old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted".

skink

sickboy1138

@Smadubaku: I agree, its a total rip off to charge us almost full price for what amounts to a alpha test of the game. If i decide to buy it and I dont fall in love then I wont end up buying GT5 no matter what they add. Instead I will wait for Forza 3 because I already know the AI and Physics in Forza 2 were top notch and thats what is important.

parad0x360

I haven't bothered much with the online but they've said they're going to add private servers/invites. Considering you can earn money in online races and how easy it would be to win millions in a few minutes if you have a friend sit on the start straight, it's obvious why it's not in there already.

lordofsword

My guess the game ain't finished, and this is a way to boost a little capital AND get some paying testers in the process.

Hey, didn't Ms. Greene post an article about this a couple days ago? Okay, it was about localization, but this is the concept in action.

boopadoo

Now THAT was a real racing sim: for better or worse.

jp182

i was think of getting this honestly but then i noticed that it only had 6 tracks...and i quickly lost interest.

Jmontilla2786

This game is going to be good, but in terms of the best racing sim I doubt it will beat GTR by SimBin.

Bon5ai

Because it's not completed yet? Honestly if you're a die hard fan of the series and you're just dying for a taste of the game, what would you prefer: Having the Prologue available just like previous iterations of the game OR waiting a year before you get to play it? Considering nearly 1.5 million games have been sold so far in Europe, I imagine people don't mind having it right now to satiate them while they wait.

LittleBigPlaneteer

baxterpunch

DigitalHero

Personally, as a big racing game (1st GT game though) fanatic, it's well worth $40. Some people disagree. They probably won't buy it.

The mere fact that it has Kimi Raikkonen's 2007 World Championship Ferrari F1 car alone would probably make me go get this game, but I know that's just me.

Pixelantes Anonymous

Let me know when you have a finished game, Polyphony.

BitterOldMan

It's all subjective anyway. Some people will pay $40 for a taste of GT5 and some people won't. Hell, there are people who are buying a PS3 *just* so they can play GT5:P.

rawg

Modus_Operandi

Gladman

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

Have you read the previous 100 comments?

baxterpunch

It's got 60+ cars and six tracks. That's more than some full retail racing games have.

Broken online functionality...I don't know about that. The review sounded more like extreme lag. Whether it's the game or the net connection or something else is anybody's guess. It is a little alarming, but without further information I'm not going to start making any wild assumptions like some people.

Pixelantes Anonymous

And how is Sony getting away with it when everyone is bitching about it?

Or do you expect some kind of morality police to pull them over and give them a rip off ticket?

Kyle81

trav23

Apologies.

baxterpunch

thegunshow

Modus_Operandi

Smadubaku

Wouldn't you also say the online multi-player is "buggy as hell?"

Looks like playing this game is hell. Hell, I think I'll go play something else.

:)

jrleek

Kyle81

GamingNinja

Smadubaku

I don't think even EA is greedy enough to charge people for demos. Charging full price for roster updates, sure. But not demos. Polyphony Digital has major cajones for that, I'll admit.

seafisch

I love the GT series. I thought Forza has done a great job of holding me over to GT5, but to me there's only one GT. I think Prologue is shameful exploitation of the fanbase. They will sell millions of copies of Prologue to the unsuspecting, who don't sit on video game message boards, follow development, etc. I hope the people who buy it DO enjoy it and feel they get their $40 worth. If a few cars, fewer tracks, unpolished graphics, and broken online are your thing - have at it.

I will not pay $40 for a demo and %10 of the original. I don't think it's okay to support this kind of behavior from a developer. This is a gateway to the kind of gouging that not a single person on this site wants to have to deal with in the future.

I suspect when GT5 does come around, that same ignorant fanbase might feel a little burned and wary.

Smadubaku

Say wha? There was another game with that? Crackdown, you say? And it was a ton of fun that had gamers spending upwards of 20 hours doing wild stuff in single or co-op play?

Oh ...

DARTH_TIGRIS

HaydenTenno

wild_world_girl

BoffrO

joebobfunguy

creid

But I'll attempt to respond: on the box, it says "The Real Driving Simulator" so people expect it to be realistic. (And it is!)

dowingba

joebobfunguy

Still, it is tempting considering that there is NOTHING else in sight for the PS3 for months. Of course I'd like to play GTAIV in the quiet comfort of that shiny black box, but, everyone who I'd multiplayer with is on the 360. If only I could share my save file, I'd buy GTAIV twice.

d3p0

Cause I'll tell you that my wrx and my buick grand national handle pretty damn closely as their in game counter parts once you turn off all their assists. As do several of the other cars in the game that I have driven but dont own.

Derigor

Personally, I'm getting this. I'm a huge GT fan, and I like to have all the versions of a series when I like it. So there's a collector reason to have it. I have a steering wheel and I've played all hell out of GTHD, so I'd like some different PS3 native GT content. If $40 is the asking price for that in April, well, that's what I will have to pay to get what I already know I want. It's up to me to do the math now, and my personal calculations tell me that $40 is a little steep but not outrageous. For me. That's the fan-with-cash-to-burn-reason. I just read that they are adding collision damage as a download later on. That's a first appearance mechanic in the series, another collector chit.

I do like this review format. Having digested it, I agree with the author's assessment: if you're a fan, you're getting it no matter what the review says short of a declaration that it destroys systems and 10 years after you download it, BAM! Herpes. He didn't say that, right?

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

thegunshow

Just for the record, it's Polyphony Digital's deal to sell these demos, not Sony's--they've been doing it with GT for a while now.

And just for the record, I don't give a flip about GT--I won't buy this OR the full version. I'm waiting for WipEout HD, kthx.

~

Hiroken

Oh yeah, blah blah it is a demo and I feel fine paying $40 for it.

dantheman1000

For those of you that think that Forza's damage system doesn't work. Go play the damn game guys !!! and when you do let me know what happens when you car hits something at over 20 MPH. Is your car aligment still functioning perfectly or is your car maybe pulling you to one side? how about shifting gears.. have you noticed a reduction in the car's power? why don't you try shifting to 4rd gear from 5th gear let me know if you don't burn
clutch. Do it enough and you might just guarantee a loss in the race.

Instead of putting Forza down why don't some of you at least complement it on getting the driver assistance (the one that is being put in GT5) on their game since Forza 1 !!!!

What I'm trying to say is this: Forza isn't perfect there are limitations and there are flaws. But those of you that clearly have not played it should seriously shut the "F" up.

ysleiro

Gadgetron

Serious fans of the series will no doubt already know what they're getting themselves into with this whole "Prologue" business, then, and won't give a monkey's brass balls what I say from here on in.

Appreciate the honesty my man, but I'm definately one of those people. Online never really had the appeal to me with this title as it does with others. The core of the gameplay experience has always been the challenge against yourself. I've yet to play against one of my friends that is actually as good as the AI cars.

I can only hope that the final version features ranked lobbies.

BoffrO

On damage modeling: They need realistic modelling and physics for collisions. I want my car to look like a crushed coke can if I slam into another car or wall at high speed. That and minor accidents need to let you pull into the pit and strip off body parts so that you can get your car back out there to finish. None of this hanging fenders garbage. That stuff aint real. Damage shouldnt matter that much because if you wreck you pretty much lose a race anyways.

Derigor

Mantra_

Acute Gamer

ManjiKengo

I'd frankly rather have seen another free version based around one track and showcasing some of the features they've added since then, as opposed to paying $40 for not much more in the way of new content (esp. as the tracks aren't anything special).

Heck, just give me the long-promised Top Gear track and let me try and beat The Stig's time in the reasonably-priced car, then go finish the game.

Step5555

Forza 1 came out around the same time as GT4. I think if people want to complain about the GT games not having damage, they've got a valid argument.

maxx77

But don't get me wrong, I love the GT series. There's other things to like about it. But to insult GT because it's not a "Real Simulator" like advertised, just means you know nothing about the real cars or the game itself.

-Niric

Niric

The online is the one thing that i think it's incredibly disappointing to hear. I haven't played online on my ps3 yet (GHIII hates me apparently), but i've heard a lot of people talking wonders about resistance and warhawk online, so it's bugging my mind how can they screw online on a racing game since those are usually very lag forgiving.

Meh... what do I care, sony doesn't want my online money because i live in mexico and i can't pay for anything unless i get a USA card, so i'll keep using the free stuff only.

Falsoman

But to complain they've never done car damage is silly it hasn't been their fault they are a car simulator because they use real cars and real car companies refused to let you smash their real cars.

I'm sad to hear that online play has been an issue though, that doesn't sound like what I've come to expect from the GT team.

All in all i wish it was cheaper, but i wish every game that has came out was cheaper none of these current generation games have warranted the 60 dollar price tag over the last gen 50 dollar price tag. I understand it just costs more to make. But i will be getting this game if for nothing else as a great game i can have a few friends over with and play until the real version comes out a year or two later.

Spoony

If you are playing it any other way, then you have deeper issues with what realism is.

Burnout still exists, go buy that.

baxterpunch

FP ph15h

If you honestly belive that PD will get the perfect damage system you are just fooling yourself.
A perfect damage system will have cars rolling and starting to burn ... this will never ever happen on a BMW, Ferrari, VW, Toyota etc

KEELr

Only Sony could accomplish putting a $40, halfway in production game on the market and get so much acceptance

This!

Leobebes

Well we're discussing the Prologue version. It is in many ways a test drive of the game. A beta if you will, for die hards of the series who want a taste of the game before it's released. There's no such thing as a perfect game, especially one that has online aspects to it. I imagine the full game will improve on just about all the faults found in Prologue, but that's obvious. It's also obvious that the full game will have unseen faults of its own. Perhaps "Perfectionist" isn't the right term for them, since people are taking it so literally. Polyphony just sets their standards pretty damn high.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@LittleBigPlaneteer: great points. i would not mind if there is no car damage in the full release as there are a HUGE amount of cars and tracks to overlook this. it has way more than Forza, which is a decent game in itself, but compared to GT? no contest. but an update with this (as previously mentioned in an earlier article) wouldn't hurt either

kw4k

I don't think you will EVER see actual full damage modeling on consumer cars in a video game. The potential damage to a car's reputation is too great for that.

baxterpunch

How can you really take somebody seriously when they say that "Why pay $40 bucks for GT P when you can buy Mario Kart Wii for $50." I will never buy Mario Kart even if it cost $5 because it's not my cup of tea. But I'm not going to post that opinion in a Mario Kart section because it does not concern me. People just don't understand that everybody has their own preference and some can't accept the fact that it's not the same as theirs. To me GT:P is worth more than most of the "full games" that are out now.

thegunshow

IT'S A DEMO

Gambare

no one is forcing you to buy it, isn't too complex right?

Gambare

but oh well :)

I loved it

Fluffy22

Then why is their multiplayer component such ass??

Leobebes

Yet the media and fans have no problem with it...

jynxce

TheTime

Plus, the frankly horrible collision physics (which are a huge part of pretty much all non F1-style racing) are quite far from perfect themselves. As Luke mentioned, a half-assed, forzaish damage system is not necessarily what's needed, just *good* collision physics.

Not saying it's bad, just sayin