It was a nice trick to bring out the 40GB at e.400 while selling the 60 with BC plus extra controller and 2 games for e.500. The 60s disappeared from Holland in under a month.

Now the stock has been cleared, and the format war has been won, I either get a full-spec PS3 in the EU by summer, or a grey market 120GB/Japanese MGS4 bundle.

Grr.

73mike

Josh*

I can't wait to see the original lineup twice in October!!!

...and uh, hooray for Europe I guess.

Sundermania

The Whaleman

Replica23

Either way, this is probably the PS3 I will get. Sony keeps to slowly remedy all their mistakes, and if they give us Europeans BC again, it will be one of the last real headaches gone.

The Whaleman

@Codexx: the only reason to import a ps3 would be if you only want to play games. The blu-rays are region locked and so are the ps2 games.

wizardofoz85

Sony: bring out this 80Gb model with PS2 BC and a DS3 pad and I WILL BUY ONE. No problem. Letting me pick some good games (R&C and Uncharted, please) or packing them in would be great too.

This from someone who until about November was still firmly in the "ps3lol" camp.

Kazzahdrane

4Degrees

incessantt blathering

Michael McWhertor

1: PS3 is region free(or rather, the games are encoded for multiple regions)

2: the 60 GB with Hardware Emulation is clearly the best PS3, if the most expensive(and discontinued) model.

3: Europe is used to getting screwed over with release dates. If they really cared about the PS3, the odds are that they'd have imported them for the reasons above.

I know there's a good chunk out there who can't, for various reasons, import one. But still, the fact remains, it's a good idea for most. Just watch who you import them from, Sony might sue them for removing market demand.

Codexx

Michael McWhertor

Erwin

Michael McWhertor

DiscipleofJamzy

And Im not arguing wether or not you would like to install your 360 games, hell I would've liked to copy all my games right to the HDD and never touch a disc again, but thats not the point.

To play those PS3 games you need a mandatory installation, If you atleast were given a choice when you put the disc in wether or not you wanted to install and decrease the load times or just play straight from the disc, I wouldnt even have raised an eyebrow on this matter. Actually I would've liked it.
But thats not the case, and I have a feeling this issue will blow up alot bigger later this year when people are starting to run out of space.

KEELr

Personally, if I could install all my 360 games to my HDD,even for only marginal improvements, I would... (I won't dare fill it with Microsoft's overpriced DRM-laden media), but that option isn't even available - nor is the ability to upgrade my HDD to one of my own choosing.

Arttemis

Banned for Nothing

PS I'LL GET YO BABIEZ!

pandafresh

[forums.gametrailers.com]

So, It's a 6GB mandatory installation, and a 200Mb update after that..
So If u own a 20GB PS3 you have actually used over 50% of your HDD if u happen to own GT5P & DMC4..
Sure u could delete the data, but then you would need to go through another 15-20 min installation if u want to play them again..
This to me is frightning, what if MGS4, KZ2 & LBP has these 5GB installs?
You're shit outta luck if u got the 20GB SKU

So back ontopic, when I get a PS3, the 80GB will be the obvious choice

KEELr

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Michael McWhertor

Michael McWhertor

Its not the hard drive size, its stupid that here, PS3 games are always about 40-50 quid, and there all crap.

the bishman

Ryuujin1024

DelSource

I really do not care about the size of the hard drive, I just do not want to go ahead and buy a 40g when this new SKU could have better components.

I have gone this long without a ps3, I think i can wait a bit longer

Jamaces

Apparently, Europeans don't deserve any gaming love (in the eyes of the industry, at least =O!)

Arttemis

Oyn

NameYourCharacter

LittleBigPlaneteer

omigawd seriously, Killing Joke is a fucking epic band.

pandafresh

I was not aware of this, mistakenly thinking my PS3 was inferior in this regard. I feel a little better now, and if I want an 80Gig PS3, I'll just buy a new sata drive.

Cruithne

Coheed2114

If it's truly that bad, though, then you can consider that one more "X" on my Microsoft list! ;D

Arttemis

Half-a-decade-old hardware can't be that complex or expensive (seeing as how it was already done and as much has been admitted).

Arttemis

On that topic, I didn't say that the compatible Xbox titles weren't functioning. It's just that REALLY few actually are compatible. Basically, it's as if it was non existent, except for some cases. For example, I played NGB on the 360, which was probably the only game worth playing again to me. BTW, ever wondered why software emulation of the Xbox is possible on the 360 but not for PS2 on the PS3? Well, I say there is an opening. :)

Anywho, for me, BC was never a deciding factor when purchasing a system.

Candlejack

The smartass version? Because it's a PS3.

From a technical point of view, if it doesn't increase the cost dramatically, then there is no reason.

But I still don't get why people handle this PS2 BC thing so importantly. I have expressed that I would like PS2 BC on my 40GB, but heck, I doubt I'd play anything besides Tekken Tag Tournament or MGS or something. At some point it really isn't important anymore. I think that point was sort of reached 2008.

I understand that some may want to play their PS2 games upscaled, although, if you ask me, that's nowhere near worth the drama around it.

Candlejack

Personally - I've encountered only one problem with 360 BC (Ninja Gaiden: Black's videos seem to have stuttering FMVs). That said, I only have 4 Xbox games since the 360 was my first Microsoft console.

If, however, all future 360s were stripped of their ability to play Xbox games (or even just reduced its ability to do so), even though its library is nothing compared to the PS2's, I would consider this equally as retarded as the PS3's BC debacle.

Arttemis

excel_excel

Note: I don't have room to comfortably fit a 360, PS3, and PS2 in my tiny 4-person apartment. Seriously, why shouldn't the PS3 have PS2 hardware?

Arttemis

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Seriously, Sony needs to bring this back since it wasn't canceled because of cost and people are still willing to pay extra money to get one! It doesn't even make sense why the 80GB has been stripped from the shelves when it was outselling the cheaper model!!! Of course the MGS4 bundle is coming, but why would Sony pull its best selling model months before then - do they not like money?
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@Cruithne: The 60GB versions have hardware BC - which is more efficient because it has the actual PS2 hardware inside the PS3. The 80GB versions only use software emulation and, though mostly effective, still suffers from compatibility with some games and performance issues.

Arttemis

IMHO, backwards compatibility is a welcomed gift. No more. Once it gets phased out, and you even have a PS2, you should just move on [to PS3 games].

If you can't play your PS2 because of space issues, that I can fully understand (I don't like my setup full of systems either).

Candlejack

Roflcopter_Down: Wants you to follow HIM!

wizardofoz85

illojal

In all honesty, to each their own, but damn, BC sure is mandatory nowadays. Hm. Don't see every 2nd Xbox360 owner cry about weak BC. Ah well.

Candlejack

Cruithne

Blah-Blah-Blah

Oh, and I just got the killing joke today! Excited to go read it.

Polywhirl

On a side note, for the UK people who have 40GB non-BC PS3's at the moment I would check out this dude's auction ([cgi.ebay.co.uk])

Long story short: For £100 and your current PS3 you get a 60GB UK PAL PS3

!!!I'M NOT THE SELLER!!! but I did use the service and I have a lovely new BC PS3

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wizardofoz85

I'd much rather have developers NOT use the system to it's full potential. >_>

mast3r_blast3r

creamsissle

KEELr

dsmx

goldwings

NecronomiconUK

Luke Plunkett

I think they are just saving the 80GBs for the MGS4 bundle.

mast3r_blast3r

Candlejack

That means it'll come before the release of Killzone 2 and LittleBigPlanet, which I heard have been confirmed for September

Huxle