<![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III" - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III" - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I hope SIV is ten years away honestly. You don't need a new title to have a good active game.

Jimbo4

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> dout --> doubt

GameNutt

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @Superstar90:
I dout it, EA has the rights to the Marvel license now. But we might see Capcom vs SNK 3 or SNK vs Capcom 2 now that would be nice.

GameNutt

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> How about Marvel VS Capcom 2 HD Remix?

Superstar90

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @The_Antihippy:
Seconded... About the Darkstalkers thing. I'd go nuts over that.

StevenRafael

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> More like "should have."

dhelor

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> In that pic Ryu looks constipated lol... I just hope that at some point in the near future, we see Street Fighter III 3rd Strike HD Remix.

GameNutt

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> That pic never gets old.

KM91

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> 101, I hope that they can apply some solid logic to the movies! (yes, I know that Capcom isn't completely responsible for the movies. S'thier IP.)

00000000

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I'd rather they just stopped with SF III and came up with a new IP done in this style that they're doing with SF IV. I feel it's a step backward if they don't evolve the SF lore (story) forward. pretty boring going backwards in between the SF II and SF III era.

BTW, nice screencap, Brian. LOL Ryu = @_@ at Chun Li's....

Starplate

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> most people seems to have certain priorities out of order.

Maybe I'm wrong, but seems like everyone here supporting KOF ans GuiltyGear says "prettier is better, same gameplay is irrelevant"

Is not that what most affected the ps3 in the beggining? most of the same but prettier means automatic failure?

Capcom simply didn't SF4 before, because it didn't need it. Unlike other peoples , they don't need to overuse any of his games, at least, not today, in the same fashion as before, otherwise, we would be seeing DeadRising 2' Hyper.

DLNO-001

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> They could have stopped? They could have stopped at 1, but they wanted to make some money, so they made more? I'm not sure I understand the point of his statement. Is he trying to say that SF3 is the perfection of the 2D fighter? Cuz me and Genei-Jin disagree.

UltraMagnus

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @Brian Ashcraft:

Actually, he's said in a previous article (Was posted on shoryuken.com a few months back) that there was serious internal pressure to not make the game, and that he pushed for it. So while he didn't make the call himself, I think he pushed for it heavily, and convinced the money guys at Capcom.

Also Capcom had gotten out of making fighters- I don't think they had made a fighter in the last 5 years other then Capcom Fighting Jam, which was a disaster due to being a cut and paste job. From what I've heard about that project- yeah Ono was behind it, but he gets a pass for it.

That said, it's a good thing he has- the reviews I've seen for SFIV have been overwhelming positive from people who have played it. (and that includes people who I know are knowledgeable of fighters)

arstal

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Capcom... More good incarnations of old games and new IPs too.. mmkay?
Bionic Commando>
Resident Evil (0-4, remixes and sidestories)
Megaman (1-Bass)>>
Megaman X (1-5)>>>>
Megaman Zero (1-3)>>>
Megaman ZX>
Street Fighter (all except that The Movie Game and the Mouse Game)

Megaman Battlenetwork/Starforce <<<<<<<<<<
Resident Evil Survivors...
Ugh.

More is sometimes emphasis on the sometimes. But some games should just stop and reinvent.

MAKE LEGENDS 3. So you can finish the canon Megaman storyline. Viewtiful Joe? =/ Original was great. 2nd killed my memory card. Dead Rising? Take that IP back to your hands. Okami? :( Clover.

Also... Steel Battalion 3 plz... Please on the PS3. The unpopularity of the original XBOX and the "it costs more than the system" price can be avoided since the PS3 is already high.

FP ph15h

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I don't think SF should have been stopped at 3, but I sure as hell think Mortal Kombat should have.

The-Blur

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @KeroseneClimax:

What you could add to SF3's formula?

How about circular environments (i.e. long loops instead of long rectangles) to prevent corner cheaping.

Or even better, the ability to throw someone into another "stage", like in MK3 (and DOA2, but DOA2 is 3d).

Scaling out when characters are far apart, like in Samurai Shodown.

Marvel vs Capcom-type super jumping.

Koztah

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Power Stone 3 in this SFIV 3Dish cel animation please Capcom? Oh, if we're doing that, then I would also like a new Rival Schools too!

SpishackCola

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @mackincheese: Oh Man the Movie game was amazing. It had Sawada what more could you want out of a Street Fighter game.

batdrox

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> "...in 3D before your eyes, with modern technology? This would not have been possible ten years ago."

Except Soul Edge, which came out in '96. I loved that game!

Wolfers

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Strange statement, saying that they needed to wait all this time to advance in the series, and yet they release game with almost identical mechanics with 3D graphics as the main upgrade.

ara

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @KeroseneClimax: Hmm, I always believed that Guilty Gear is very well-animate. Look at moves such as Testament's ExE beast. Really fluid animation. The reason that it has less frames is just to give it a sense speed.

To me, anyway.

I still want a new Darkstalkers.

Alot.

The_Antihippy

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> You'd think if they were going to wait 10 years between the games they would at least let the 3d characters look like they were based off of the old character models from SF2. The 3d characters look pretty bad.

HurricaneDave

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> King of Fighter XII still looks prettier!

Mlata

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Guilty Gear sprites are beautiful, but they still lacks the fluidity of Street Fighter 3 sprites. Kings of Fighters has excellent battle systems and backgrounds, but dated sprites. Developers have managed to create gorgeous visual effects, yet their characters are still not producing the same detail in animation that SFIII did in 1999.

Why is it that in 2008, characters such as Baiken, Ramon, B.Jenet, Milia Rage, Faust and Iori - who all have side specific features - still look the same reguardless of what side they face? Street Fighter III challenged that problem with characters such as Gill, Remy, Kolin (Gill's secretary), Necro and Poison. A feat that many 2D fighters still fail to reproduce.

Street Fighter 3 sprites has allot of Pixelation in comparison to the smooth, Hi-resolution sprites of Guity Gear, but utilizes more animation frames than Guilty Gear, creating very detailed movement in character flow.

I think Ono is a bit presumptuous to believe Capcom has done everything they could with perfecting 2D fighting, but he does have some validity in his statement: What more could you add outside of visuals to make SFIII a better game, without it turning into something completely "Un-2D Street Fighter like". I still think Capcom has more to learn with creating 2D fighters, but there really is nothing more they could do with a traditional 2D Street Fighter game without it turning into Guilty Gear, KOF, Rage of the Dragons or The Rumble Fish.

I still can't say taking Street Fighter 3D after a ten year absence is the right decision, but I respect Capcom for wanting to combine the visual appeal of modern fighters, with the solid gameplay of a regular Street Fighter game to create something entirely new. Whether we like it or not, Capcom is trying to garner as much attention as possible, and leaving it 2D may not be the best choice to gain sales regardless of how solid the game is; Just take a look at SFIII.

If you want to compare and contrast, go here to look at some SF III spites, and here for some Guilty Gear ones.

KeroseneClimax

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Really? Reeeally? So I guess there was no reason to make ANY of the other 2D fighters you made in the past 10 years, because NONE of them improved upon what SF3 gave us? And NONE of the KOF and other series gave us anything new to the genre?

I'd break out M vs C 2 before SF3, but that's just me. But the argument could be made that 2D fighting has seen as many improvements (graphics aside) as 3D fighting in the past 10 years.

SFIV was NOT in 'planning' for 10 years. It was simply good timing for Capcom to release this new 'styling' to a franchise that has not been played out lately, otherwise it would have been overlooked more easily.

All this aside I'm still looking forward to SFIV. It's 8 years overdue IMHO.

TKWarrior

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I remember the first time I went to an arcade and saw Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I was so blown away by the insanity of it all.

I hope SF4 gives me a similar feeling of excitement.

battra92

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @arstal:
Really?! You really think that "Street Fighter IV" was made because this Ono guy, a Tokyo-based producer who's never been visibly involved in SF before, told everyone at Capcom that they should make a new SF? Really? Wow.

Brian Ashcraft

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Um, Capcom did make games other then SF, such as CvS2.

They just didn't make a SF game.

Real reason no SF's were made: SF3 was very expensive to make, and didn't have as much success as they wanted. If it wasn't for Ono, I don't think SF4 would have been made. That said, the reports on SF4 gameplay-wise have been positive so far, except for Guile being too weak.

arstal

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> "...but we did pretty much all we could do with 2D fighters by the time we got to III"

Hw should really take a look at Guilty Gear and the newest KOF games. "All we could do", yeah right, try again Mr. Ono.

wiggatron

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> "...So, we thought, what could we do to reproduce this art, in motion, literally moving in 3D before your eyes, with modern technology? This would not have been possible ten years ago. There is just no way."

That doesn't explain why they didn't try to make another fighting game using the 2D technology they already had. SFIII looked wonderful; hell, SF Alpha 3 looked great even. Are they saying that they've been been frustrated all this time because they couldn't make 3D games like they always wanted to? That's like Lucas or Spielberg insisting that the changes they make to their older films are some kind of long-standing urge they've had for decades.

feitclub

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I think a 10 year wait beteween SF IV and V would be good. I mean, even SF IV isn't advancing the series that much... there's only so much innovation in a limited and specialised product which, if abused too often becomes completely stale.

Case in point: MegaMan.

Duoae

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I'm certainly glad that they didn't stop with III, but I honestly wish that fighting games would simply ditch the storylines after a certain point. I mean, it's hard to keep things consistent with so many characters.

kubevubin

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> So wait, is he admitting that SFIV is just the same old thing with new graphics, then? Not that I have any problem with that - looking forward to the game and all - but it's just not the kind of thing I expected Capcom to say.

Number41

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> I sure hope Street Fighter Alpha 4 is handrawn 2D.

schizogony

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @mackincheese: Oh it totally was.

TrevWolf

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @batdrox: HAHAHAHA

Street Fighter: The Movie: The Game, the best game in the series?

mackincheese

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> they should make another mega man 3d with the ds, or another one with a rpg.

Mr.DuckSauce

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> so does this mean Megaman 9 will come out?

akilshohen

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> concern: Ryu's eye popping out because of Chun Li's kick or.....

Snake9677

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> @MetalGearMax: nope, theres so many series of Megaman games on DS

rockmanjoey

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Think there'll be 10 years between the next DS megaman games?

MetalGearMax

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> They could of stopped at SF:The Movie and i would of been fine. That game was amazing. Heres to hoping Sawada makes it into SF4.

batdrox

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> or ten years in between dead rising and dead rising 2

mossberg

]]> <![CDATA["We Could've Stopped at Street Fighter III"]]> Im glad that they didnt stop at III since IV is fucking awesome.

Witzbold

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