<![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Dot eater isn't that tough. I've pulled it off on the Gamecube version of the game.
And clearing the game on easy mode without continues MAY be reasonable, but I do admit that it's quite a challenge.

mokona7

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Demaar: Fair enough.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> It's not rational at all. I'm not a rational person lol

Demaar

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Demaar: What's so bad about having a game in your list without all of the achievements being unlocked? I know it's stupid to instruct others on how to live their lives, but I just don't seen the rationality in it. Makes much more sense to just play games and enjoy them than to worry about a silly list of achievements.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham:
I dunno... I may have used a secondary account so they wouldn't be in my primary account's game list. But an arcade game is different, the ownership is attached to your account...

Demaar

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Demaar: Yeah, but to ignore a game because it's achievements are "ridiculous" is pretty ridiculous in and of itself. What if Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, and Gears of War all had ridiculously difficult achievements, would you skip them just for that, or would you play them anyway for the fun that they can provide?

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham:
I won't buy games for achievements. But they're a factor that determines if I'll NOT buy a game. So basically, ridiculous achievements will put me off buying a game, but stupid easy ones won't make me buy a game I wouldn't otherwise want.

Also, I've got all the achievements in Pac Man and Rez HD, I still play them. I also still play Bioshock after long having got all the achievements in that. I'm just a completist. I gotta have everything in a game unlocked or collected or whatever. Like for instance, in the PS2 version of Rez, I unlocked all the stuff without achievements being dangled in front of me.

But with the 360, the achievements are pretty arbitrary, with no real rhyme or reason. So you end up with achievements that are like "Get to #1 on the global leaderboards" or ridiculous shit like that. That wouldn't be a problem though, if achievements weren't global and linked to your profile.
Since I'm always going to have the taint of an incomplete game attached to my profile, I will avoid games that look like I won't be able to complete.

Thinking about it though, I could probably get these Ikaruga achievements with enough patience. I'll probably end up getting it.

Demaar

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Collapse The Control: I've only fully cleared Symphony of the Night.

CyberSkull

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Witzbold: Yeah, don't you have to kill the boss to go on in the game?

GOLD5

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> A "Bullet Eater" achievement isn't all that hard to accomplish. Your score is balls at the end of the stage but i've used it to study patterns in the past.

What I'd like to see is a "BEAT THIS DAMN GAME CONTROLLING BOTH SHIPS AT THE SAME TIME" achievement.

Karoshi

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @LX:
I'm for it, Einhander (I almost typed Einherjar, stupid FFXI >_>) was an awesome game.

nekura

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @GundamAC197: Proud new Wii60 Owner!:

If you're not good at shooters, try something relatively easier than Ikaruga. I wholly recommend Omega 5. It's easy enough that you don't need super reflexes, plus you can afford a few mistakes, as you don't die in one hit. I get owned by Ikaruga, but immensely enjoyed Omega 5 and have even gotten some of the no-continue achievements. For the truly skilled, O5 has the score challenge modes. It has a Replay feature so that other people can see your run.

kftgr

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Its treasure...you know...for the hardcore

burningranger01

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> The first 3 levels or so actually aren't that hard to beat without firing. I find it's actually a little easier to concentrate that way since there isn't as much stuff happening on the screen. 1ccing the game however is far beyond my ability.

t0yrobo

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Sorry Plunkett, you didn't beat the game if you can't do it on one continue.

NeoStarr

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I can do most of those.

NessD12

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I remember constantly contemplating buying this for GC. I regret not doing it. Now I just want to see if this game really IS as difficult as I've heard.

ThisCharmingMan

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Kuren:
Agreed. It wouldn't even be possible to get five of those achievements without chaining.

Squieonat

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @strobefx: @mphz: Naw, actually, that achievement will be one of the easier ones. It's rather easy to complete level 1 or 2 without shooting.

The hardest will definitely be beating the game with no continues, followed by getting the A or higher ranking on the latter levels.

darthmole12

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham: I use achievements as motivation. I don't think I'd have been as stubborn playing some of the GH/RB songs on Expert if it weren't for annoing notion that I was ONE SONG away from an achievement.

And some actually encourage me to try new things. Various characters in fighters and action games I may not have otherwise considered. Or to explore more and get used to controls or get to know the map (Crackdown for example)

TRT-X

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I guess, I am not trying to ruin others idea of fun but it just seams the main game should be a lot larger of achivement than things added on like it has been for such a long time and I know games have not changed just the achivements idea still sounds odd to me oh well..

artraider

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @artraider: You know, you can just.. not get them. Why take away features from a game that don't influence a bit if you don't want them?

Bunn

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Sorry to have made you mad or anything, I guess they are optional.The whole achivement deal spread from what they did wrong with the 360 every title has online or something but not every title needs to be online or have achivements as I said before just have the game alone. For the original Xbox they had it right just having online for games like phantasy star online ect.. All this is just my feeling I am not trying to make anyone else feel this way and I do know all the online stuff is optional most of the time along with achivements.

artraider

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @RobTheBuilder: mmm dodonpachi i love that game

bullet eater achievments arent as hard as they seem though... in ikaruga though, just beating the game aint much of an accomplishment. beating it with style is where its at lol

kwant

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @artraider: .... I've rarely see a comment THAT pointless.

Achievements are options. just like cheat codes. You don't have to do 'em if you don't like it.

Achievements are a standard with 360 games, giving the option of those who seek an additional challenge to try to accomplish them. It's also a good barometer as to whether or not you're actually good at the game or not.

I actually buy 360 titles over their PS3 counterparts both for achievements and the online rankings/leaderboards that have also become a standard with XBLA and regular 360 titles.

interstate78

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Cant they just have no achivements, is beating it not rewarding enough to yourself? Having achivements is fine and all but not for every game.

artraider

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I think the Achievements are fantastic. Getting A ranks is doable if you practice practice practice, but you do not need Godlike skills (unlike the S ranks and so on). I have and LOVE Ikaruga on the GameCube, just played it this morning in fact, and there is a 95% chance of getting this release for HD visuals, leaderboards, and achievements to motivate me to getting back into it again.

It is a beautiful example of a game where you have to practice to get the most out of the experience, and the achievements suppliment this nicely.

Crazyreyn

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Have you all seen this:


+ Watch video

talk about achievements!

baronsmeg

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Yay Ikaruga.

You guys probably know this, but for hardcore shmup fans, one credit clears (no continues!) is the way these games should be played. So that achievement is par for the course. Not saying you shouldn't enjoy them any other way, but for the closest 'arcade' experience, yeah...1CCs are fun - and a challenge.

ry2

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @LX: Yes and yes.
But after a DonPachi DoDonPachi and DoDonPachi 2 collection please.

RobTheBuilder

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Everybody who has commented so far interestingly thinks that the point of Ikaruga is to beat the game. Rather, the point of the game is the scoring and chaining system.

Kuren

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Yeah, I checked and I have no 200/200 for any of my 35 arcade titles. I love achievements but I certainly don't go apeshit over getting all of them. I also care more about the Achievements themselves and not so much the points. I have around 1,170 achievements. I like the icons, names, descriptions, but most of all I love the Time Stamp on them. I really like having the ability to go through them and see what date I unlocked it.

Collapse The Control

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I think I've already done all of those achievements on the Dreamcast. Part of me says that's enough, while another part needs proof.

Squieonat

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Bullet Eater is actually rather easy, especially on the first level. It is somewhat easier to just dodge everything than to dodge, shoot, and dodge splashback bullets.

I was kind of hoping for one massively difficult achievement, similar to the ones in Smash TV. Besting the entire game on easy with one credit is still insane, but it doesn't strike me as quite the same as 13 ship mode in Raystorm.

seishino

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Howsabout a new einhander?

anyone?

LX

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Abdar: It worked well on GC so hopefully pad should be fine.

RobTheBuilder

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham: @RobTheBuilder: Exactly, all the love in the world to Ikaruga, but RS is just so damn ridiculously awesome its impossible to describe to those who haven't ever played it.

I think it must have some type of curse on it, hence the lack of a port so far :(

DaiMacculate

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Never played or even heard of Ikaruga until reading about it on this site. Checked out some vids on you tube, man was I confused until I read up on the game mechanics. Very much looking forward to this game.. only hope the 360 d pad doesn't take away from it.

Abdar

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Salen: Dot eater isn't terribly hard, in Ikaruga you can flip your ship from black to white and from white to black. When your ship is black, you can absorb black bullets, and when it's white you can absorb white bullets.

So basically it's a lot easier than it seems. I'm not terrific at shooters, I don't think I've ever gotten past level three in Ikaruga, but I got dot eater on level one without pulling my hair out.

Canadian Impostor

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Sadly RS has been played by fewer people than owned a 3D0 on launch day.

It's hard for people to judge. Why on earth RS isn't coming out first I have NO idea.

And Baked Ham is spot on about Crackdown. It added lots of fun to an already great game.

RobTheBuilder

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Homard: I think Ikaruga is only over-rated by those who rate it higher than Radiant Silvergun. If Ikaruga is a fantastic shooter, then Radiant Silvergun is off the fucking charts out of the world god-like. And anybody who says Ikaruga is better is a damned fool.

OK, unless they're talking about the arcade versions of each game. Ikaruga is better as an arcade game than RS, but the saturn version of RS is the best shooter of all time. Ikaruga is a fantastic game, and anybody who says it's not worth more than 5 dollars is a bit strange, in my estimation. It'll cost 10 dollars, and itll be well worth every damn penny.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Exactly, nice points everyone. Crackdown was a good example of how achievements can add fun to a game rather than take it away. It definitely works both ways. Some designers definitely make the achievements better than others. Castlevania, as I mentioned above, is a great example. I'd played through the game countless times before, but the achievements gave me a reason to kill drac at the beginning without getting hit, to go and find every sqaure of the map again rather than just rush through, and to go through the game as Richter for the first time in probably 8 years.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I have the GC and import DC versions of Ikaruga. And I already think those versions cost way more than they're worth. I'll buy the XBLA version if it costs 400 points. A single point more and I'm not interested.

Setzer IIDX: you are not the only gamer who finds Ikaruga overrated. Let me assure you of that.

Ikaruga is a decent enough game, but not worthy of even half of the praise it receives. It's a scrolling shooter with a partly-interesting mechanic for defense and a DDR-like mechanic for scoring. It's really nothing all that special.

Fanboys need to stop hyping games without good backing reasons. Plenty on the GC, and even on the DC, was much better than Ikaruga at the time it was released on each respective system.

Homard

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I still have this game for the Gamecube.

So I'm the only one that finds it highly overrated? Fun, but not joygasm fun.

Setzer IIDX

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> lol this game is soo old. i can't believe you're still talking about achievements. i beat it on dreamcast and gamecube years ago.

Bruisedbaby666

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Achievements can be cool, but only if you can handle them psychologically. If not getting an achievement is going to break you one way or another then I would agree, don't get Ikaruga, because some of these will be damn near impossible for the vast majority of players.

DaiMacculate

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham: I'm with you, that's pretty crazy.

Achievements are pretty cool, I think it's a good thing. I'll go back to a game to try to get a challenging achievement- I've been going back to Tomb Raider Anniversary from time to time to try and get through the Obelisk of Khamoon without dying under the time limit. It's fucking hard as hell, and I probably wouldn't give a shit to try if not for the achievement. But I keep pulling TRA out every week or so for another try. So instead of that game collecting dust on the shelf, I'm still enjoying it.

Madeira

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham: I agree that some people's attitudes toward achievements ARE silly. But when used properly, they really do extend the enjoyment and life out of games.

Like Crackdown achievements really helped that game. I never would've thought to try and carry a car up to the top of a building, or try to keep things up in the air with grenades ow whatever. I try not to think about achievements until my second time through a game, and then it really makes you look at the game in a different light many times.

The achievements that are like "collect a bunch of meaningless flags" like in Assassin's Creed? Ummm. Not so much. Ain't doing it.

lionkitten

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @baked ham: And we can all laugh at them for their silly ways. Just like the ways that killwhores ruin team games since they dont want to raise their death count in stats that no one cares about, or anything else that's insignificant to everyone except him herself or them.

The new idolmaster game has about the easiest fucking 1000achievements possible, and ~20hrs into it I still havent completed it yet. Why? 1) I don't care, and 2) I don't care to use all the characters just for some achievements. Until MS starts selling achievement points for MSPs (let's pretend Avatar was an anomaly) we shouldn't start getting worried about this sort of thing.

muu

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Demaar: And this is precisely the reason that achievements tend to piss me off. They destroy the value of games in a lot of cases. People are starting play games for achievements and that's it. Once they get them all, they're done with the game, regardless of how much fun they would otherwise still get out of it. Sometimes people avoid amazing games entirely because of achievements (you really shouldn't!). And worse yet, sometimes people buy complete SHIT because they want the easy points.

It's fucking sad.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> By far the most enjoyable experience I had getting all the points in a 360 game (arcade or retail) would have to be Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. I'd already beaten the game a good hundred times or so, so it was a breeze except for the Richter achievement, which I'd only done once before, so it gave me a challenge and took a couple of hours to complete. I managed to beat the regular castle in about 4 hours, then the inverted in about 4 more hours, then getting the gold and filling in the blank spots on the map took about another hour. So all said, probably took about 13 hours to get all the achievements, but none of them were very challenging, yet some were just challenging enough that if I was not a long-time Castlevania aficionado I'd have likely had some difficulty. Anyway, great great game with well chosen achievements that encourage you to just go explore and do everything. Anybody who hasn't played through it yet on XBLA really should, even if you have recently played it on PSone, Saturn, PSP, PSN, what have you.

baked ham

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> As an obsessive compulsive achievement whore, I'm afraid I may have to give the XBLA version of the game a miss. If I can't get all the achievements, then I don't want a bar of it.

N+ is about the limits of my patience.

Demaar

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> So...honest question. I'm pretty much NO good at shooters, but only because I rarely play them. I really want to try this out, but I'm wondering...is this going to be worth my money to buy, or is it going to be so head-bangingly frustrating that I give up on it? Better way of putting it--I know this is a good schmup, but is this a good schmup for me to get started on?

GundamAC197

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I can clear the first level and get to the boss of the second level without firing a shot.
But there's no way I can make it through the game without using a continue!

MR. FAP☆FAP!

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Collapse The Control:
It differs alot from game to game. Among the easier are Pacman (1-2 hours should be enough) and Wik and the Fable of Souls (maybe 4 hours) for the full 200/200. ;)

Can't wait for ikaruga though. :D

ippi

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Not shooting a single bullet? o.O Yeah, I think I'd give that achievement a pass as well. And there's no way in heck I'd earn that no continues one either.

Salen

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> When I get my lcd with rotating display it going to be pure joy.

RobTheBuilder

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @kojirodensetsu: Interesting. Ive never done that in the arcades before. It was either got killed or killed the boss.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I have the game for the GC, but I'll still buy it again for XBLA. I love it.

evilmregg

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Maybe a game I FINNALY will be able to get 200/200 ^^ will see about the continue once :) done it once but wasn't exactly easy. Most of the time I always get blown up by the last boss with my last continue....

MugiMugi

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Luke Plunkett: To a shooter fan, no, its not hard. It's probably easy.

I consider myself a Shmup fan and it's not easy by any stretch. Maybe I'm just a casual shooter fan who pours quarters into Raiden Fighters at the arcade.

If/when the whole RROD ever stops for the 360 and the machine becomes somewhat reliable, I would jump all over it for the Raiden collection and Ikaruga.

battra92

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @kojirodensetsu: Correct.

FranUnFine

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Witzbold: Iirc if you don't kill a boss in a certain amount of time the level ends.

kojirodensetsu

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I wasn't expect less from Ikaruga's achievements.

alecpyron

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I dont get how you can beat a stage without shooting unless it considers the "bomb" move not a shot.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Am I the only one that doesn't like "pacifism" achievements where you don't fire at all in a level?

I'm actually surprised though. I was expecting something like "beat hard mode without using a continue" achievement. I'm actually kinda glad they didn't make an achievement like that. At least with Unstoppable you can do it on easy mode.

kojirodensetsu

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @Dioxen: Knew somebody would say it.

To a shooter fan, no, its not hard. It's probably easy. Thing is, most people aren't shooter fans, and have the devil's time trying to play one. So yes, a lot of people really do have that much trouble with it.

Luke Plunkett

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Do people really have that much trouble with Ikaruga? It's fairly easy by most shooter standards. It's a bullethell game but you can reduce bullets significantly by not actually shooting (as said, most fire is countering your own), and a large amount of that can be absorbed.

I guess most people try to play it as a "must kill everything!!!" game, which is pretty counter-productive.

Dioxen

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> @strobefx: Understatement of the century.

mphz

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> It's called bullet eater D:

It's rather easy the first stage of course, but then it gets slightly ridiculous D:

But really, not firing anything makes some parts much easier, since 50% of all bullet fire in the game is a counter to your fire. D:

Clearing the game without a single continue, while this is clearly out of my range of skill, there are definitely people who can do it, and people whom I've seen do it. D:

ShikiMSHTS

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Ever check the achievements for Exelica? There's a "no continue on hard difficulty" and "no miss at all" on normal or higher. Both are impossible w/o at the very least memorizing the stages, and then getting some insane fucking human reflexes to avoid enemy fire.

Considering that you can do the no-continue on easy mode (since it says any) I think Ikaruga's is far more approachable.

muu

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Arcade game Achievements are usually pretty tough. I have around 35 arcade titles and I don't think I have the full 200 on any of them.

Collapse The Control

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> I guess clearing a chapter without using a bullet would be a little harder than the pacifist acheivement in Geometry Wars?

strobefx

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Ikaruga? Achievements? Don't even contemplate it. Just top yourself now.

NameYourCharacter

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Still....I can't wait for this to come out to XBLA....

When is it coming out btw?

Phlycheez

]]> <![CDATA[Ikaruga Achievements *Mostly* Doable]]> Bashes head against the wall. Replace a few 360 controllers; respectively.

Fyren

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