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Bungie Reimagines Sidewinder

Kermi — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:20:03 MDT

@Nexus6: You don't think the map packs going free each time it's superseded by a new map pack is a term of some sort of negotiation? The Microsoft we know and love would just knock the price down to 400 if it was up to them, and keep us waiting a year for free maps.
Bungie wants better for their community.

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digiwalsh — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:00:35 MDT

@Vots: And every bit of that sucess is down to them creating, from the ground up, an extremely sucessful videogame franchise with their own man hours and hard work. Why you think that makes it bad practice for them to continue to charge for such things is beyond the grasp of what I would consider logical thought.

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digiwalsh — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:55:28 MDT

@psycoking: Saying that a handful of maps is not worth $10 is a very subjective thing to say. It's certainly not fact, that's for sure. As a graphic designer, I understand the need for works of artistic credit to not go unpaid. People need to make a living off these things, and as small as the payment they recieve from that $10 probably is, everything helps.

As for develpoers / publishers that release free maps, good for them and their PR. Who is it not good for?

Not good for the guys who made them.

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Mujah — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:30:11 MDT

Fucking FINALLY!!! My favorite CTF map. Fuck Blood Gulch and any of its retarded sequel-clones.

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Psychotic173 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:50:03 MDT

@kojirodensetsu:
i believe that was guardian...

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ThatsMrOffDutyNinja — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:42:03 MDT

This isn't directly related to it but I went to G$ today and they have the Legendary edition with the helmet for $79+ tax, so maybe I will go and re buy it. I really want to play Sindwinder again.

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red — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:24:29 MDT

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red — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:22:27 MDT

strange. one of bungies own state, in that article, that they havent had ladders in a map since halo 1 and it needed radical thinking for this map... when there were ladders in waterworks in halo 2. right at the focal point. this fills me with confidence.

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Ahsayuni — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:32:53 MDT

I paid for the first pack and was very dissapointed, especially the "vehicle paradise" that was Rats nest. I would buy these for 400 points. $10 does not make it worth my while.

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Chiper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:27:22 MDT

@Tiberian: Halo 3 already does have Blood Gulch. It's called Valhalla.

Seriously, compare the two maps. That's what Valhalla is supposed to be.

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Ahsayuni — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:21:03 MDT

@ digiwalsh: but i would ask for more cookies if the first ones tasted like crap.

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josh924 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:49:31 MDT

@josh924: 800 point for Avalanche alone*

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josh924 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:48:51 MDT

Fuck yeah! I'd probably pay 800 points alone for Avalanche, seeing as how Sidewinder is one of the best Halo maps. A Hang'em High remake for Halo 3 would be cool, too (IMO).

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lordargent — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:32:54 MDT

I want burial mounds, colossus, headlong and waterworks.

/and put some turrets on the bases in valhalla

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Taco Bell™ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:19:42 MDT

Much love for Bungie right now.

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GlompWorthyGamer — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:00:28 MDT

I'm still waiting for the heroic map pack to be free. I'll hold off until then.

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FP mind in rewind — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:45:46 MDT

@KilgoreTrout__XL: Or one beer at one of those highfalutin' joints.

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skrame ☆ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:06:35 MDT

This map used to be the king of all races map. It was also sweet for snipers and CTF games.

I think what made it so epic was the distance you had to traverse. We played some very epic 2v2 games on this map. All the man-cannons and quickly respawning vehicles might take away from that feeling.

I'll be picking them up though; a halo-friend of mine donated 1600 points to me to but the last map pack and this one. Hooray for meeting nice people on XBL!

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AudibleDefect — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:48:25 MDT

I've been waiting for this map... For sure purchase for me...

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ZetaCrossfire — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:14:11 MDT

and WOOT

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Sir_Crocidile — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:12:55 MDT

Oh God! Sidewinders back! Dang, time to play halo 3 again. This map provided the longest capture the flag lan events ever for my friends and I and it's sure to do the same thing again.

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Mister Adequate — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:56:15 MDT

When I saw it was a snow map coming up there was a hint of hope, but I quelled it. I quelled it so that I wouldn't be hurt when it wasn't Sidewinder.

BUT IT IS SIDEWINDER HOLY GOD YES THANK YOU BUNGIE!

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Soroks — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:32:54 MDT

If only this was 3 months ago when I actually semi-cared...

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TheCleaningGuy is no longer (that) disappointed with DMC4 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:21:50 MDT

My favorite Halo 1 map!
I can't wait for some sniper/vehicle battles!

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Zeouterlimits — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:09:12 MDT

@psycoking: As Bungie have said they have no say in the pricing. If you read the article they say it at the start. It's not their decision, it was Microsoft who decided it would be 800 points.

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valuepack — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:54:00 MDT

@KilgoreTrout__XL: I'm not sure if you're paying too much for beer or maps there...
Drink while playing old maps or play new maps sober? I hope nobody pulls over my warthog.

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peAr nectAr — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:41:49 MDT

@Dual45s: Yes, you are exactly right.

The main argument against charging money seems to be that "these maps should already be in the original game." Personally, I have not downloaded the Heroic Map Pack yet, and I'm still having a blast with the original maps. Knowing that the Heroic Maps will be free in a month is just icing on the cake.

These maps are a good way for Bungie to stay afloat while they create their new game. Making the maps free at any time is basically charity for the fans.

That being said, I can't imagine spending $10 on three maps. I've heard from people that the Heroic Maps are barely used in Matchmaking because not enough people have them, and I'm sure these new maps will have the same problem (until they are free, that is).

I'm patient. I can wait. My life doesn't revolve around new maps.

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lionkitten — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:31:24 MDT

I can't wait for these. Did you see the new paint jobs they gave everything to match the snow? SWEEEEEET.

The maps are worth every penny to me upfront because I love using the forge on them and I play a lot of customs. I can definitely see how the matchmaking-only player could easily wait for the freebies.

That's why I like the way Bungie and MS have agreed to do maps over the years. If you're impatient like me and will use them you pay for them. If you won't use them and are content to wait 3 months, they are free. Seems fair. MS gets paid on a title they frankly need to get paid on and fans get new content.

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KilgoreTrout__XL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:23:37 MDT

Nice!

And remember, $10 = Two beers. That's two (2) FACKING beers, people. Accept it and move along. Thanks.

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Black_Ops_19 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:53 MDT

Halo: "Bungie, give us more maps! We are tired of playing the same maps! These maps suck!"

Halo 2: "Bungie, please make more maps!"

Halo 3: "Bungie, remake the old maps!"

Three months from now....

Halo 3: "Bungie, these maps suck. We are tired of old maps. Give us new maps and make them for free!"

Bungie officially steps away from Halo-fans.

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zonetrooper5 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:05:23 MDT

Seriously can't wait for this map pack but I'm building a new PC soon, which I really need.

Need more money tbh, it looks so sick, the atmosphere looks amazing and the general look of the map, well, lets just say I'm amazed.

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Collapse The Control — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:53:22 MDT

Oh man, SIDEWINDER!

My friends and I had plenty of crazy ass battles up in that map.

Wow.

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Gray665 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:46:14 MDT

Sweet.

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SpookyTanooki — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:32:59 MDT

While I think the last map pack was worth it, only because of Foundry, I'm not convinced about this one. I'll try to wait until these are free, hopefully GTA IV will be able to help me out with that...that does come out in April right? If not, hopefully River City Ransom will make it to the VC by then...BARF!!!

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KirbyMorph — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:32:16 MDT

You would get the exact same "man, many hours of entertainment" on the free maps that come with the game. The game doesn't magically change with these three new generic maps that cost a fifth of what you actually paid for the game. It's a rip off and you can't justify the cost for three maps being that high even ifyou are willing to pay that much.

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:20:32 MDT

@Dual45s: Agreed. I consider a $10 investment in what will amount to be many, many hours of entertainment a lot more worthy than other things I could spend that same ten bucks on. Regardless of the "evil machinations" or motivations of the compan(y/ies) that developed/released it.

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Nexus6 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:20:17 MDT

@Kermi: Bungie may not set the prices but they can damn sure negotiate with MS to make it reasonably priced. Why can't Bungie be more like Valve... [kotaku.com]

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Dakobah — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:12:59 MDT

i learned my lesson last map pack,

wait till they are free.

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Dual45s — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:47:52 MDT

To be perfectly honest, with the constant attitude of "where's the new shit" I'm usually a little happily surprised whenever a studio releases a small update that doesn't affect the overall experience too much. Let me explain with Bungie as the specific example.

Obviously, love it or hate it, the Halo franchise is huge. Perhaps bigger than huge. It's done what it set out to do, and for the most part will continue to be played for an enormous time to come. Without any additional maps. Check one off in the win column. Done. Obviously they are working on something currently that they can't announce/discuss. With the ever-growing budgets and time needed to make these games there is going to be some serious non-cashflow time. So you have to look at it realistically, with an already daunting and expensive task ahead of you, is the logical choice to pull several talented artists, programmers, etc. off of the current project? Probably not.

The most current figures I could find were from yesterday. At that point 760,000 unique players were on Live. Obviously not everyone who would buy the map pack played yesterday, but then again not everyone that played yesterday would buy it. Probably more heavily skewed to the latter. So I feel that this is a pretty decent number of people who would spend 10 bucks. Hell, make it an even million. So the new map pack generates $10 mil. Being that Halo was released under Microsoft how much to you think Bungie sees? My guess would be not a whole hell of a lot, half maybe. It's just speculation but I'm guessing that Bungie's operating costs are astronomical.

So yes, while the packs will bring in MAYBE $5 mil a pop do you think they are really just rolling around in the extra cash? I doubt it. It's more like a band-aid on the gunshot wound that is 4-5 years of game development, marketing, etc. All for a game that could ultimately fail. Making the add-ons free after a few months just adds to the fanservice that this ultimately is.

I'm probably just too old to understand the rage people feel about this. Players constantly bitch about the hours of playability in today's games. If you're going to be fine when a $60 game was 8 hours long, but complain when you'll play a $10 map pack for dozens of hours over Live, you need to sort your fucking life out.

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mahi — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:40:15 MDT

Loo@collusioned: It is on a halo 2 engine after all. All jokes aside it does look bland

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:29:25 MDT

@Len Bias Cocaine Surplus: You'll get it in Call of Duty 5: Polar Warfare. ;)

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Len Bias Cocaine Surplus — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:18:11 MDT

It would be better on CoD4

/ducks

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MC2829 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:05:04 MDT

Moonlight Sonata, the next map in the pack, will be revealed next week.

Hint: It's a Lockout remake.

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Kermi — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:01:29 MDT

@Nexus6: Read the article next time to learn that Bungie don't set the prices or have any say over the pricing.
Or use even a fraction of the deductive reason you need to successfully pull your pants on in the morning and determine this to be the case because it applies to every other developer of XBox 360 games with DLC.

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:29:31 MDT

@psycoking: Wait 3-4 months, and they become free. If you don't want to pay the premium, don't. Problem solved.

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Islandkiwi — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:22:36 MDT

Sidewinder was my favorite map. My brother and I used to play capture the flag, one-on-one, best of three on this map all the time. It was so great!

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psycoking — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:21:31 MDT

@Cell9song: Don't be stupid. Don't make stupid assumptions.

@digiwalsh: Actually, some people do just that. And when they are done they give away their new maps for free. Also, every once in a while a developer will release a map pack for a game and offer it free on the net. A handful of maps is not worth $10, and considering that Microsoft and Bungie have most likely more than broken even on the game's cost, they should offer the pack for free as a servuce to the fans.

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chup88 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:19:12 MDT

ahhh good old sidewinder... good times on that map. Now all we need is a hang em high remake and a chiron remake and we're set!

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olion597 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:11:03 MDT

Even Halo 2's maps cost money (though they usually had a free pack, and then a "buy me" pack). And for any of you frugal people out there (including me), just wait until the next one comes out. About a week before this pack is released, the older ones will be made free. They've done this since Halo 2, so it's nothing new.

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:08:26 MDT

@valuepack: I'd love to see user-created content, but with consoles, that age is only just beginning.

More maps? Yeah, probably. But no matter how many maps are included, someone's going to be dissatisfied. "They gave us 500 maps, but 495 of them sucked! And now they're charging me for more?!?!" You get the picture.

Mmm...cookies.

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Salen — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:07:20 MDT

Ooooooh. Sign me up for go ol' Sidewinder remake. Time to go get some more MS Points before it comes out!

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Hylian — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:06:31 MDT

I recognised it right away.

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valuepack — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:01:15 MDT

I think what it boils down to is whether there should have been more maps in the first place. Also, they've completely ruled out user-created content. From your cookie analogy there, you could say "buy our cookies because you sure as hell can't make your own at home." Then again, if you don't want to pay for it, I guess you don't have to! You can always buy someone else's cookies...

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Vots — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:59:26 MDT

@digiwalsh: Unpaid? Are you serious? The team that worked on these maps get paid no matter what regardless, and have already got paid for their work, and will continue to. Halo 3 has brought in a good billion dollars for the Bungie and Microsoft, they wouldn't care not getting an extra $2 million for maps.

I'm sure Bungie would give them away for free to, if Microsoft didn't have blindless control of the Marketplace.

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Cell9song — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:44:23 MDT

Why do people assume that the work of others should go unpaid,

maybe because they've been brought in in a whitebread upper-middle-class suburban environment where mom and dad bled for them and now they expect the world to continue in the same manner.

The sense of entitlement is mind-blowing at times.

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digiwalsh — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:37:37 MDT

Why do people assume that the work of others should go unpaid, Sit down with your mates and try and spend as much time as the bungie guys will of done putting these maps together. Or, imagine going to the supermarket and buying some cookies, taking them home and assuming you deserve more cookies for free simply because you bought some cookies first time.

Also, people thinking this looks crap?

ARE YOU BLIND? It's crisp clean and beautiful.

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invictus2006 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:36:37 MDT

wait, they are free aint they? well after a while any ways

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:22:01 MDT

Man hours spent = deserves to get paid. That's just how it works. I'd be more surprised if they DIDN'T charge anything for them.

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psycoking — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:04:29 MDT

@Nexus6: Its really Microsoft's call. They have final verdict on the price of all DLC, and its not like they are going to have a change of heart and say "Hey, lets not make money on a map pack that should be free and will be downloaded by millions. Let be generous for a change."

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:29:51 MDT

@Grocerspride: When these maps are released.

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Nexus6 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:20:21 MDT

I'm seriously dissapointed in Bungie only because they should have made all DLC maps free. Halo 3 didn't come with that many maps from the get go and some of those maps sucked. No wonder COD4 has taken over my multiplayer sessions. Halo 3 now belongs in my xbox games collection right next to Halo:CE .

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Grocerspride — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:18:03 MDT

...so when are those old maps going to be free?

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Rotek — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:10:25 MDT

I KNEW IT! As soon as they said they were going to include a big map which was a remake of an old one, it just had to be Sidewinder. Although the original Blood Gulch would have been better.

This'll be much better now than it was then, what with the glory of Xbox Live an' all.

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ThatsMrOffDutyNinja — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:10:22 MDT

looks nice... almost makes me want to get halo 3 again.

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Walker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:07:18 MDT

Needs moar Coagulation. You can't have a Halo game without Blood Gultch.

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batdrox — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:50:17 MDT

@kojirodensetsu: A lock out remake would be amazing and would be enough to pull me back into the game. Guardian sucked.

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Xiedo — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:48:06 MDT

Hell yes, great memories of CTF Sidewinder.

Now I just need Damnation and Boarding Action. Shit, Boarding Action would be a great Forge map.

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batdrox — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:48:03 MDT

About time this was remade. Too bad i no longer care about halo.

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shouryuuken — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:45:16 MDT

chiron
damnation
derelict
chill out
prisoner.

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TheExiledLeader — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:36:01 MDT

*head explodes in fan-dom*

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coolpengwn — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:34:41 MDT

@illmatic291:

$10 bucks.

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kojirodensetsu — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:34:18 MDT

@illmatic291: $10 abouts.

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illmatic291 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:29:40 MDT

how much US $ is 800 "MS Points"

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AntiZERØ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:22:10 MDT

W00t, wait I don't play Halo, or own a 360? hmm... still good news right?

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RonMaverick — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:21:57 MDT

Wow! I'll use the money Bush is sending for this instead!! :D

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Sloopydrew — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:18:18 MDT

@collusioned:

I was thinking the same thing. I thought the last map they showed from this pack looked great. This one? Not so much. I suppose it works for nostalgia purposes, but that's not going to get me to shell out the "points."

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Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:17:34 MDT

@collusioned: you just gotta love the optimists gathered on this site eh?

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collusioned — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:13:44 MDT

I hope it looks better in-game than it does in the screens.

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Captain Impulse — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:12:53 MDT

Fuck. Yes.

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duderdude2 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:10:35 MDT

W00! I've been waiting so long for this! I love sidewinder!!

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duderdude2 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:10:08 MDT

YES! Finally!!!! I've been waiting so long for this! Love Sidewinder!

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kojirodensetsu — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:09:58 MDT

Yessssss. <3 Sidewinder. I wasn't gonna get the map pack because the heroic wasn't worth it to me since the maps almost never came up in matchmaking. But I just can't wait for the Sidewinderish map! If Moonlight Sonata is a Lockout remake there's no way I wouldn't buy the map pack.

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