Worth a buy if you plan to play co-op or online, I'd say rent if you only plan to play single-player.

bruhkgb

Sunjammer

I loved coming into a game as a pvt 2nd class, systematically DESTROY the opposition, and being kicked for it. No i don't use the noob cannon. Vegas has the dubious distinction of being the most unpleasant online experience i've had on Live based on the community alone.

Sunjammer

Honestly my big problem with Vegas online is simply getting into a match. 9 out of 10 times (!) i have to retry a bunch of the quickmatch options, only to end up in some mid-game and get booted before the next round.

Brings me to the next point, what the fuck is up with Vegas and booting. I've played a metric TON of games online on the 360 and Vegas is the only one where i almost consistently get booted on joining a match. Leaves the super sexy impression that Vegas players are a bunch of elitist cockbags.

Sunjammer

al_morenas

Still Ill buy this game just for the FN-FNC inclusion but damn...D: Something tells me Im making a mistake supporting these devs though.

@Hatchetforce: Also preach on brother! I hear you on Rogue Spear + Raven Shield being the good games. God how I miss playing Rogue Spear, that was a damned fine game.

Witzbold

rob2112

im also not used to multiplayer since im coming off of COD4. I don't enjoy the fact that once the match os over eveyone gets booted. Add to the fact that when you pick "quick match" it brings you to a menu of potential matches which defeats the purpose of it being "quick"

ArmyofJuan

njhardcoreguy

Chilly Hollow

Well don't give up hope yet. I know a guy that has just finished putting thermal scopes in Ravenshield along with shotgun door breaching. He has added quite a few other things to affect the game. It is a nice looking mod and should be out soon.

Hatchetforce

dead_red_eyes

So very true. The way you could plan your attack in Raven Shield ... you could get real deep with that. It was fun.

dead_red_eyes

Madness

Huxle

Also, it would be kickass if Ubisoft had their respective studios working on their respective games (RS, GR, SC) and have like all three games revolve around the same story.

Tomahawk214

Rainbow Six Vegas is to tactics like real lemons are to Gatorade. BS the series died with Raven Shield.

Covert_Knight

MeanMF

Cathaoir

We were looking forward to vegas 2 for more coop goodness. We wanted the campaign not really for the story but for the better terrorist layout (actually chosen scenarios where a predefined number of terrorists inhabit a room; or rescue a set of hostages etc); consistency of the levels (you'd do a couple levels in the same casino etc).

Now what do we have? What reason do we have to play this at our xbox lans? T hunts were boring; there were no objectives; Not quite enough of us (4 - 6), and too inconsistent a skill-set for us to play Multi against each other (or really online).

I'm probably going to buy it when it hits 50% off again; but not before; and I can say at least 3 of my friends won't buy till the same kind of time, if at all. Pity because I really enjoyed vegas 1.

MeateaW

Destrudo

baxterpunch

You should see my post history over at Ubi.com. It's basically a steady stream of me intermittently wigging out on them, that spans 4 years:

[forums.ubi.com]

Billkwando

I let a friend of mine borrow R6: Vegas for a couple of months, and ironically I get it back right when the sequel comes out.

Looks like I'm shit out of luck on finding a multiplayer match as everyone will surely be playing the sequel.

Tyber_Zann

Oh I certainly agree. John Sonedecker is a friend of mine and he and I were just discussing the changes the series has seen. I remember being at RSE when Lockdown was being built and John Slaydon was showing me their new design and I started shaking my head. I told Slaydon then and there he was in trouble. Needless to say he and I didn't speak again. Needless to say he was out of a job after Lockdown. I was too busy in a vain attempt to correct Ghost Recon that was heading off the tracks as it crashed into the town of Arcade.

But I was only working on periphery design items and advisory matters (that were ignored) while Robbie and Christian were determined to do 3rd person and health packs. 3rd person works for some titles. SOCOM is perfect for it. Just not GRAW and R6. I am not a PC centrist. I do most of my gaming on consoles. But they screwed R6 and GR royally. For me and a good many others Rogue Spear and Raven Shield remain the series high points.

Hatchetforce

Amen.

Billkwando

Capp

Actually, Rainbow Six has been driven into the ground and shat on.

Or injected with a healthy dose of Gears, Halo, and casual appeal. Same thing. And I like Gears and Halo. But they don't belong in Rainbow Six.

Xiedo

Of course the voice work was brilliant.

"What do we do?!"
"GROW SOME BALLS!"

Thaddeus_McGee

rob2112

NegativeGhostrider

MeanMF

I already have my pre-order paid off....eagerly awaiting it. And yeah, I'll probably only be playing story co-op and terrorist hunt, but that is more than enough for me.

And, about the pre-order, apparently if you pre-order from Gamestop (in US at least) you get a free map. Pre-order from Best Buy, get a free assault rifle. Pre-order from Circuit City, get some beef jerky and a can of Monster. And some fuzzy dice.

I went for the gamestop deal, but I'm getting a little tired of this pre-order exclusive bullshit.

As for the AI in Vegas 1, pretty consistently, during Terrorist Hunt in Calypso Casino, you would go into the vault and there would be one AI dude left down there. Staring at the vault walls, yelling "SHIT!" until you walked up and shot him.

baxterpunch

Pretty much every time I played the 4 player co-op campaign it was helping friends get achievements. I think there was only ONE (1) point in time where my friends and I did Campaign missions together for fun.

I'll be running through the campaign on Realistic with 1 friend to get all achievements and pretty much never play it again.

T-Hunts and MP is the true light of this game.

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MeanMF

SigmundTheSeaMonster

Stefanten

I guess developers still haven't caught on to the fact that more and more gamers want to see some 2-4 player co-op that functions exactly like single player campaign. Preferably 4 player co-op. Maybe one day the'll read some of the thousands or requests from gamers like myself and think "hmm maybe we should look into this".

Capp

In all seriousness, I'm picking this up first chance I get.

splines

Is it just 2 player co-op if you want the cutscenes and 4 players but with no cutscenes?

Erignamatic

MeanMF

theberserker22

ScottG13

Oyn

Brian Crecente

If you consider the cut scenes and friendly AI bots a vital part of the campaign, then you would have been disappointed with Vegas 1. But if you're the kind of person who skips the cutscenes after watching them once, the gameplay was all there.

Plus you were not stuck with the friendly AI which many people find to be more frustrating than helpful - unlike in most other games, if the AI dies you fail the mission. On realistic difficulty you frequently have to babysit them and make sure they don't get into trouble. It is very distracting and cuts down on the immersion factor and replay value.

MeanMF

Explanation here:

[forums.ubi.com]

Hatchetforce

Of course I'll still probably buy it, but I reserve the right to bitch later.

Billkwando

[ve3d.ign.com]

Hatchetforce

Agreed. I miss the maps and the route planning with multiple entry points. If they pulled it off on the Dreamcast (where I played it) they could do it now.

Expect this game to be full of glitches. Ubi doesn't believe in QA on anything but the Splinter Cell series. They never fixed the glitches in the LVU map or casino vault on Vegas (or any others), and they never fixed the "fall through the bottom of the world" glitch every time you climbed a ladder on Morrocan Kesba(sp?) in Black Arrow. They will make hundreds of PR-riddled excuses about how they can't do anything once the game is pressed.

Mark my words.

Expect the Fragg Dolls to flash their "assets" to try to distract you.

Billkwando

I actually just got off the phone with Ubi, I called to make sure that I hadn't misremembered it, I was right.

Brian Crecente

Gadgetron

rennyf77

MeanMF

Not just SWAT 4. Get SWAT 4 and teh STechkov Syndicate add on. Then get the SSF Mod for both.

SWAT 4:

[hot-swat-mods.com]

SWAT 4 TSS:

[hot-swat-mods.com]

Hatchetforce

I'm buying this game as soon as I complete my stupid research paper for Sociology. I know if I buy the game before that, I'll never get it done and I'll be in big trouble.

PapaBear434

Pros
-Co-Op
-Multiplayer
-ACES
-PEC

Cons
-PAINFUL AI (both your team and the enemy). On the "Realistic" setting it basically means enemies 1 shot kill you at insane distances even when that shot hits you in the foot or arm. I can't tell you how many times i got "sniped" from some clown 100 yards away with a pistol. Realistic my ass. Same goes for your team, it seems that this round you're picking your assbag teamates off the ground more often than not.

-Storyline. Or lack there of. CoD4 really shines in comparison.

-Graphics. U3 Engine looks mediocre at best, albeit better than the original.

-Various. From funky texture and graphics glitches to missing audio (there are times where the audio simply cuts out for a few seconds) there are plenty to go around.

Bottom line, it's a fun game (especially the co-op) and the PEC and ACES that run throughout all aspects of the game (not just multiplayer) are a huge plus. If you liked the first you'll like this one. If you're new to the R6V world, pick this one up, as neither have storylines worth mentioning.

UncleScrotar

Obviously I'd prefer Halo3 style, but CoD4 works fine too!

But finding a game with 3-4 slots open, with like <2 min left, then quickly joining and inviting a friend, praying we got on same team...it's kind of a pain

scottyboy218

Especially visible during the dam stage in the first game where water looked like it was from 2001.

Anyway, will wait for the PC version.

ImmortalZ

LittlestLamshi

Brian Crecente

kuraitenshikun

Co-op campaign is an addition.

Brian Crecente

SC could be operating with RS or GR... actually they could all operate together as well. On many different fronts.

LittlestLamshi

I was a little addicted to the first one.
The cover mechanic is the thing that did it.
And the animations are so smooth and nice.

Tomorrow I will get it and be happy.

Sullyville

Mayu-mayu

Stefanten

kw4k

kw4k

Ra is on Arrested Development!

Modus_Operandi

mexfreak86

Man I wish someone would make a CQB game like the old school Tom Clancy. Where you had to plain and make sure your squads had the right gear, plus no spawning enemies, everyone was generally accounted for when you went in.

HurricaneDave

liquid_kore

Did anybody notice that you can copy and paste normally on the comments now??? No more being forced to copy and paste either 1 word or the whole paragraph! AWESOME!

Sorry for the OT....*reads article*

Billkwando

SAKY

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The Wreckard

I also liked the simple singleplayer that had fun gameplay but an average story. It was a so-so thing. But good enough to keep playing.

Oh I mean Vegas 1 by the way. Don't have this one yet but will :P

Candlejack

With that in mind I'll be happy playing COD4 with all the new custom maps that are available.

UBI fooled me once, but won't get me again.

JammyBastard

I'm not spending 60 dollars for an expansion pack.

FrigidAir44

Stupid move from my viewpoint, Ubisoft...you just lost four sales.

I personally can't stand it when a franchise REMOVES a feature...particularly one that seemed popular.

I was going to ask someone to verify that it truly was only coop with 2, but with the number of responses I guess they really did kill this one for me.

phloog

B1ooDshOt

1981suede

MeanMF

"Either deal with a dark room where you can't see anybody, or deal with a blinding light in your thermal goggles because you're in a goddamn factory boiler room!

Either way, enjoy dying."

Not my kind of game. :/ I love splinter cell though, they did everything right with that (which is why I was kind of disappointed to find this so frustrating).

Norellicus

Or maybe, maybe he just wants to be my friend, but he's shy, that's why he isn't saying anything, and instead of making conversation, I choose to shoot him in the eyeball.

Kamizzle

kuraitenshikun

I really hope in the next game they move away from Vegas (Rainbow 6 Washington) or whatever. I felt that having this second game again in Vegas was a bit weak.

Zootalor

Rozelle’s Bagman

OGHowie

...until Resistance 2 comes out.

njhardcoreguy

Looks like I'm waiting for a solid third installment :(

Astrofox

houkah

The first Vegas was aptly named and Vegas2 is no different. Just like it's name the title comes off as flashy, but hollow and devoid of real substance. You will wake up the day after the experience and wonder where your money went and why you wasted time there.

Hatchetforce

7ucky

iToke

I played the hell out of Part 1, so much that I neglected Gears of War (on the multiplayer side). So this game is a must buy and i'll be doing plenty of T-Hunts & MP matches along with working towards all achievements.

I am also looking forward to the leveling up ala COD4. I like how it is across the board and no matter what I do i'll be seeing my rank go up & up. What happens when it is maxed out? I dunno, but I certainly am not going to do any "prestige" style option.

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LittlestLamshi

Wolf_Dog

Vau

I have also experienced horrid framerate drops, but only in a single mission so far. Other than that the game is a joy to play.

EwilTwin

Guizzy

dead_red_eyes

Kum0

LittlestLamshi

LittlestLamshi

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