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Analyst: Sony Worried Over 360 Price Cuts

Kaneda — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:15:47 MDT

@Collapse The Control: You could go on to what? That makes 3 exclusives in your almighty list.

I guess I really wasn't clear in my first post then.

Kaneda

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Kaneda — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:14:05 MDT

@Tarmac: That makes 4 exclusives.

Kaneda

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Kaneda — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:05:28 MDT

@SaintWaldo: Thanks for the help man. I didn't have time to come and check out what was being said and reply in the last days.

I guess they had not understood the exclusivity element.

Kaneda

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Kaneda — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:02:42 MDT

@GameraTheGreat: Well most games that were named are also available on PS3, and therefore I wouldn't buy a 360 for them.

Also, while I mentioned I didn't play sports games, I guess I forgot to mention I'm not a fan of shooting or teabaging either.

Now go look at the list SaintWaldo made.

Kaneda

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scotty999 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:01:19 MDT

It's funny now the tables have turned, last time Sony had the old technology released one year early and the Xbox had the best technology and was released one year later and sold worse.

This time the 360 released one year earlier with similar technology and the PS3 one year later, The downside is that launching one year later means your competition has a credible gaming library and you have nothing.

This time the tables are a bit more level.

The consoles appear to be a wash and it's apparent there is little to no difference at this stage. I bought Metal Gear Solid 2 on PS2 to see what it was like and it was ok, but I wouldn't buy a system for it.

What I did buy the PS2 for was GTA3, that was the best, now on PS3 and 360 it looks just as good and both owners of the Xbox 360 and the PS3 will be happy.

As for Gran Turismo, it will sell a lot as will Final Fantasy. As for Gears 2 it will sell heaps too.

However you look at it, with competition everyone wins.

scotty999

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lionkitten — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:26:57 MDT

@DARTH_TIGRIS: That's interesting. Hadn't thought of that.

lionkitten

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reptile168 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:02:52 MDT

only 40GBP cheaper? I'm sure Sony isn't worried.

"Nothing spurs momentum than the game that millions bought your console for in the first place!"

If millions of people bought the console for that game already, then come June, there won't be a lot more left to buy the PS3? Last I checked, MGS doesn't sell Halo or GTA numbers.

reptile168

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robinandtami — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:46:28 MDT

@obonicus:

Every 360 is a media center extender right out of the box. Each of my 360's connects to my media center pc. I have two tuner cards on the PC so two diff 360's can watch two diff live tv shows at one time. Up to 5 360's can connect and watch recorded shows at one time. I can be watching live tv on my 360, get a game invite from a friend, hit the record button on my show, jump into the game, and then go back to my tv show right where it left off. You can also get a browser for media center and rent movies from almost every internet movie download site from inside media center. Basically everything that Media Center can do on your PC, it can do on the 360.

robinandtami

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obonicus — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:16:15 MDT

@robinandtami: Er, what? How do you capture live TV or browse the internet on a 360? The only thing you mentioned there that is really special is the microsoft rental service. All the others are either bogus or also available on PS3. But if I'm wrong, please, enlighten me.

obonicus

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DARTH_TIGRIS — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:03:51 MDT

@ReyDEEEEZY:

Thank you. How quickly people forget that the PS3 had TWO price cuts in its first year of release, 2 SKU's canceled and 2 new SKU's released. Was that desperation or strategy?

The 360 went longer than any console in recent history from release to its first price cut. And how much was that first price cut? $20-50 USD. Not $100 like the PS2 and Xbox did, just a measly $20-50. So how is THIS desperate and reactionary when Sony did more price cuts/SKU tampering in far less time???

Kotaku is starting to drown so much in fanboys that its not even fun anymore. You fanboys suck the fun out of everything. Its just ridiculous.

DARTH_TIGRIS

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Phenom88 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:45:11 MDT

Software drives hardware sales and the PS3 have to most impressive lineup for 08' so will see if this even matters. I think it will be pretty minimal, especially in Europe.

Phenom88

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Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites! — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:14:49 MDT

@Collapse The Control: Your experience does not encompass all gaming, nor does mine. I guess 13 million people play WoW on their iPods?

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

Analyst: Sony Worried Over 360 Price Cuts

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites! — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:13:54 MDT

@lionkitten: I did missread your first statement, the parenthetical can go a couple ways, so in light of that, I apologize and I see how a reasonable person could interpret it the way you seem to have intended it. You were neither wrong nor lying.

I still say that the 360's definition of "exclusive" is just as parsable as where you intended your parenthetical, and that when I read the words "Playstation Exclusive", it really means, "Exclusive to the Playstation, only". Can you agree that a reasonable person might take exception to the fuzzy use of the term "exclusive" about 360 titles, as it seems to mean not, "Exclusive to the Xbox 360", but "Exclusive to the Xbox 360, except the ones you can also get for PCs, which is most of them"?

Again, please accept my apology for getting a little hot. I really did read that in a way that made it seem like you were stating something provably false.

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CartBlanche — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:01:11 MDT

Microsoft's price cuts are all part of the Fire Sale! Some times known as the RRoD sale. Get them out the door so that we can introduce more stable version soon. I think it will go the way of the HD-DVD price cuts and ultimately, will have little effect on the PS3's momentum.

CartBlanche

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ohhello — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:05 MDT

@Collapse The Control: Half of your list sucks, and only 4 of those games are exclusive. Go suck on a lemon.

ohhello

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Snukadaman_ — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:20:56 MDT

@RPGr: instant rrod...the laser wont read discs no more.

Snukadaman_

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kftgr — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:09:14 MDT

All Sony needs to do in Playstation land is to cut the price of the PS2. Yes, 2. The price cut on the 360 is aiming for the more price concious consumers, so making an affordable option even more affordable cuts into Microsoft's move and bolsters the PS brand even more.

kftgr

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FatherTed — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:02:41 MDT

Now the next time that Microsoft change the chips for smaller ones, they can pass the savings onto the consumer by dropping the Arcade and making the Premium replace the Arcade so now everyone gets a harddrive and maybe a choice of a decent game for £160, and the Elite with its extra 100GB and HDMI cable will cost £200. Maybe.

FatherTed

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Barf#1 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:56:22 MDT

@kiigan: Your Proably going to be right

Barf#1

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DaiMacculate — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:24:32 MDT

@Collapse The Control: Aw you really missed out man. Of course I usually play with people in person, so I honestly never even thought to check if I could play online with it. Giant Ants...its just so hard to go wrong with Giant Ants.

DaiMacculate

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lionkitten — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:13:14 MDT

@SaintWaldo: You're still acting like I have a personal stake in this, and I really don't. I was just posting yesterday about how bad the 360 hardware is, except for Live (not really hardware) and the superior controller (except for the D-pad).

I'm just pointing out that people who rip the games lineup are the fanboys blind to reality. Just as a 360 fanboy doesn't give Sony or Wii props where due, anybody who says there's nothing to play on 360 is a blind fanboy for whatever console they are squawking about.

Yes, Halo 3 is my favorite franchise, and I like to represent, but if you scroll through my back posts you'll see I'm pretty sane and fair.

I can see why a raving Sony fan would not like the numbers I presented, but they are just the facts. Like I keep saying, I HAVE a PS3 and WANT reasons to play it. I'm trying to up the Sony attach rate and they won't let me.

lionkitten

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-Sigil- — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:07:22 MDT

@SaintWaldo: So your saying we should feel bad about paying 3 or 4X less to play a game a year earlier than you? I love it when PC fans get late released games and then act like it's the best choice. You get it later, you have to pay 3 or 4X more for the hardware, you have to keep upgrading your PC where the 360 is just as it is and when you compare games like Gears of war where the sales on the PC suck compared to the 360 (so you get a more diverse community on live) it's not really such a perk to be a PC player. Sure you can say hell I can play that on a PC but who cares? Do I run to buy a PC title just cos it's on the PC? Do I hell.

-Sigil-

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ReyDEEEEZY — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:55:47 MDT

Sony was desperate when they cut the prices of the PS3 when it was out for less than a year. MGS4 will sell but nowhere near the terms of Smash Bros, Halo 3, or GTA4.

ReyDEEEEZY

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frederic249 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:49:56 MDT

sony should worry over the 360 final.

frederic249

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Collapse The Control — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:38:50 MDT

@SaintWaldo: I am one of the many gamers who only use consoles for their gaming needs, the statement is still impressive to me. In fact, out of the 40 people I know personally who game, not one of them uses a PC for gaming.

Collapse The Control

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Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites! — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:30:56 MDT

@lionkitten: "If you actually readthe post, you'd see I was talking about only the 90+ games as exclusive."

I don't see anything over 90 on the 360 list that I can't buy for a PC with the sole exception of Halo 3. Not so impressive a statement now, hmmm?

Some of us buy consoles to play the games we can't play on our PCs.

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meltyman — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:30:15 MDT

@DaiMacculate:
Listen to this man, he speaks truth.

I refuse to pay for Live so its strictly local co-op for me, my roommates and friends who drop in ...

meltyman

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Collapse The Control — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:16:51 MDT

@DaiMacculate: I would of got that game if it had co-op over live, instead it only had split screen, so I passed on it.

Collapse The Control

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DaiMacculate — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:13:02 MDT

@Tarmac, Collapse The Control: Tsk, Tsk, you both neglected to mention the most AWESOME game on the 360.

Earth Defense Force 2019.

'Nuff Said.

DaiMacculate

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RPGr — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:06:29 MDT

@Snukadaman_: Err, I'm not familiar with that technique, what's it supposed to do?

RPGr

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jmsalal — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:02:09 MDT

@RPGr: Truly. Poor architecture, albeit mostly good hardware, doesn't garner a lot of 360 faith from me. I LOVE my 360 b/c of its larger game library, but I hold my breath every time I turn on the console (have only had it 5 months). Sony seems like they're trying to bury the PS3> It's still the most expensive console on the market; they've stripped out backward compatibility hardware (and software, depending on your model); they've skimped 2 of the USB ports in the 40-gig; memory stick reader is AWOL in the 40-gig; and their game library SUCKS for the most part. However, the failure rate for the PS3 appears to be MUCH lower than that of the 360. I've played the dog out of my 60-gig (with upscaled PS1/PS2 game resolutions), and I haven't had a single issue in the year I've owned it. IMHO, this generation of console gaming should have been postponed by 2 years, as developers were really learning how to program well for the last-gen systems. That would have allowed individual console components to drop in cost enough to hopefully result in lower launch prices. I'm still waiting for a current-gen game that reminds me of the core reason I still play video games: FUN, FUN, FUN!

jmsalal

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biofreak — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:49:30 MDT

FUCK THAT !

biofreak

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biofreak — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:43:19 MDT

People might be waiting for june 12th, i am waiting for june 3rd to get 360 and ninja gaiden 2. GL with MGS4

biofreak

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k4polo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:37:50 MDT

I think that halo got most of 360 crowd to get the 360s as the 360 sold is at least half the Userbase of 360.

Speaking of that I need to get one later this year.

k4polo

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k4polo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:35:12 MDT

I think the 360 price cut isn't going to really affect the ps3 by much. It will affect a little amount of people but not by much. i think most people who want a 360 have one by now.

A ps3 price cut on other hand will be big news for the consumers because nowadays it is the ps3 that is selling more.

k4polo

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Stormbringer — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:25:34 MDT

The PS3 won't be dropping in price in Europe anytime soon, the PS3 is selling in very large numbers.

I also think that anyone that wanted a 360, will have bought one by now.

Microsoft are showing how naieve they are, it's not just the price, that is the apealing factor of the Wii, it's the fake desirability that Nintendo created.

All Microsoft have, is a cheap price label, and a reputation of unreliable hardware.

Should SOny be worried? of course not, just look at the exclusives on PS3 this year.

Stormbringer

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Snukadaman_ — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:19:47 MDT

@RPGr: put some Vaseline on your finger and smear the lens...problem solved.

Snukadaman_

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lionkitten — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:19:18 MDT

@SaintWaldo: If you actually readthe post, you'd see I was talking about only the 90+ games as exclusive. Otherwise they'd all have way more. I couldn't be bothered to count through all 87 360 games for example to find all the exclusive XBLA titles and the like. Ya know?

lionkitten

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Witzbold — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:16:09 MDT

If they do another price cut I just might buy a US system also. So no more fucking "asian" versions for me.

Yes Im going to bitch about how much I HATE region locking again.

Witzbold

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Collapse The Control — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:15:46 MDT

@SaintWaldo: When he said "ZERO EXCLUSIVE" I believe he meant that the games rated in the 90s are all multiplatform.

Collapse The Control

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GameraTheGreat — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:11:19 MDT

@kaneda
See where pedantic comments will get ya'? Damn....I don't oft see a zero in like this...you should have gone with the ol' RROD....but, your PS3 (possibly as I don't what you have personally) argument of "who cares about 360 games" recoiled in your chops....oh, well.

GameraTheGreat

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Tarmac — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:09:46 MDT

@lionkitten:

Multi-player CoD 3 was a blast. Single player, not so good, but it's worth the greatest hit price

Tarmac

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R3load — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:08:41 MDT

MGS4 will move many PS3's. Plain and simple. It is truly the first well known and loved next gen game for the PS3. Thinking otherwise is just being delusional. The question is, however, what impact will a lower priced 360 (possibly in the US) have on PS3 sales when GTA4 hits, most likely it will sell more on the 360 even without a price cut.

R3load

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Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites! — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:07:28 MDT

@lionkitten: "PS3: 45 games of metacritic 80+, 3 of them 90+ (ZERO exclusive)"

Either you're wrong or you are purposefully lying.

5 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
6 Ninja Gaiden Sigma
7 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
9 Resistance: Fall of Man
17 MotorStorm (JPN Import Version)
19 Warhawk
21 Everyday Shooter
22 SingStar
26 Gran Turismo HD Concept
27 MotorStorm
28 Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds
32 PixelJunk Monsters

That's 12 of those 45 above 80 on Metacritic that are exclusive, which means you can't play them on anything but a PS3.

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

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ManekiNeko — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:04:45 MDT

I think the Xbox 360 is long overdue for a price cut here in the United States. If they peeled another fifty bucks off the price, they'd really make Sony sweat... and probably wouldn't make Nintendo too comfortable, either.

ManekiNeko

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sascha23 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:00:21 MDT

I don't think either company has anything to worry about. Their numbers are in healthy margins.

What we'd like to see is for one to demolish the other and I think those days are gone.

Then again, I could be eating my words when MGS4 hits. ;)

sascha23

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robinandtami — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:52:48 MDT

@Starcraft2008:

The cross bar menu on the PS3 is pretty, but it is still not nearly as functional as a 360 when it comes to media functions. I've purchased a 360 for each of my HDTV's. It's the ONLY component (other than a good sound receiver) that I have to hook up to be able to watch/pause/record live tv; access movies, pics and music that is stored on my home network, rent movies from the Marketplace, Netflix, Cinema Now and several other movie downloading sites; browse the internet; oh and play some great games too.

robinandtami

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lionkitten — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:50:25 MDT

@Tarmac: Psst.....Tarmac....COD3 is crap. That's not helping your case! LOL

lionkitten

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Collapse The Control — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:48:19 MDT

@Kaneda:
Halo 3
COD4
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Orange Box
Gears Of War
Dead Rising
Crackdown
Saints Row
Rainbow Six
Splinter Cell
Ghost Recon
Frontlines
Army of Two
Devil May Cry 4
Condemned
The Darkness
(random order)

I could go on and on...

And don't go bringing up how there are other ways to play these games, you asked for what can be played on a Xbox 360. I didn't even mention the Arcade games.

Collapse The Control

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Tarmac — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:47:19 MDT

@Kaneda:
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls
The Orange Box
Moto GP 07
Mass Effect
NHL 07
Halo 3l
Ace Combat 6
Marvell Ultimate Alliance
Assassins Creed
Bioshock

Tarmac

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lionkitten — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:10 MDT

@Kaneda: There's loads of things to rip 360 for and to support other consoles for. Having the best library atthe moment is not one of them to rip 360 on. Of course there are more games because it's been out longer, but if playing lots of good (often cheap due to age) games is what you want, 360 is the place.

360: 87 games are metacritic 80+, 11 of them are 90+ (5 of those exclusive)
PS3: 45 games of metacritic 80+, 3 of them 90+ (ZERO exclusive)
Wii: 15 games of metacritic 80+. 5 off them 90+ (all 5 exclusive)

Exclusive AAA quality - Wii and 360. Overall quality 360 and PS3. Quantity of quality - 360.

I'll be the first to say the 360 has faults, but software ain't it.

lionkitten

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ohhello — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:36:29 MDT

Sony not having must have titles? Are some of you retarded? I'll have to say yes. What are 360's must have titles? There's only one so far, and that's Mass Effect. And even that game is going to PC.

What? Halo 3 and Gears or War? GoW is already on PC, just wait for Halo 3 as well.

ohhello

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huginn — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:33:40 MDT

I think the fact that Xbox isn't even in year 3 yet and it is already dropping prices to dangerous levels of no return.

Is an x720 on the horizon sooner then anything is my worry.

huginn

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fuchikoma — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:30:02 MDT

"Analyst: Microsoft likes to watch football"

Will Sony be worried? They seemed to be over-confident if anything. Now they have an actual reason to be confident since they're picking up so much steam.

Fan: Analysts suffer from insecurity, like to make authoritative sounding statements to get noticed.

fuchikoma

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wild_world_girl — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:22:43 MDT

This just in: "analyst shocked that he is allowed to put words into the mouth of corporations they have nothing to do with!"

wild_world_girl

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CarlitosColon — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:21:04 MDT

I love how the writer STILL found a way to spin this positively for Sony, citing June 12th. Get off Sony's nuts.

CarlitosColon

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Kaneda — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:06:35 MDT

@Modus_Operandi: I would seriously like to know what are those "crap tons of great games"?

I play 360 at my friend's house once in a while, but there are not more than 4 games I would pay for if I owned one.

So let's be generous and say that 12 = crap tons

Then name 12 games that are so awesome I should go get a 360 for them.

Oh, I don't play sports games. At all.

Kaneda

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Rectangle — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:01:51 MDT

@jf04gli: First note that the statement I put in quotes was not my statement. I was correcting him.

So we are in complete agreement.

Note that I said that film has a higher resolution than HD video. I didn't say anything about pixels. ;-) "Resolution" doesn't necessarily infer that the image is made up of discrete pixels.

Rectangle

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Gray665 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:01:00 MDT

Eh, I don't think Sony is too worried about this as the EU is Sony country. They are loyal to the PS brand. Now if MS drops the price significantly in the US before the release of GTA IV then Sony might start sweating a little bit.

Gray665

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PixelRambo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:46:21 MDT

@KirbyMorph: It might sell like hotcakes if Metal Gear Online is the next big thing. In my opinion the multiplayer helped sales of Gears of War and Halo 3 more than anything else.

PixelRambo

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PixelRambo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:43:51 MDT

@SG79: I guess that the sales were thanks to movie aficionados wanting a cheap blu-ray player rather than a gaming console.

The PS2 was sold as an all-in-one family device and I think they gained a lot by doing so since DVD was huge leap for the VHS families.

PS2 sold because it catered to the audience that wanted both the movie and gaming experience in a single accessible package. The PS3 is selling more, but not to the same group and I think the groups are more separate than before. I know a bunch of people who are buying PS3 only for the blu-ray and won't buy any game(except maybe Guitar Hero) and then there are the gamers that buy it mostly for future games and maybe buy a blu-ray movie here and there(as long as the price isn't around 40-60 dollars per movie; not a cheap country).

In other words, what I think M.O. was trying to say is that the groups buying the PS3 are so mutually exclusive in many ways that Sony in the end might not benefit that much from it since in the end they get revenues from royalties of games sold and with only one group actually buying games(while the other just uses it as a cheap blu-ray player) might hurt them in other ways.

PixelRambo

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DigitalHero — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:41:41 MDT

I still love the PS3.

DigitalHero

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jf04gli — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:38:37 MDT

Blu-Ray can make a big difference in the quality of the film if it is transferred right. I think consumers don't care about HD movies right now because there has been a rash of "quick port" Blu-Ray transfers that are made from the same master as the DVD. If they do a full 4K resolution transfer right from the negative the results are amazing.

@Rectangle:
"Film is analog so there are no real "pixels." However, based on converted measures, a 35mm frame has 3 to 12 million pixels, depending on the stock, lens, and shooting conditions. An HD frame has 2 million pixels, measured using 1920 x 1080 scan lines. With this difference, 35mm appears vastly superior to HD."

From Here: [www.filmschoolonline.com]

jf04gli

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BiGBoSSMK23 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:36:21 MDT

@Modus_Operandi: I find it funny how people still talk as if the PS3 didn't have any great games...pity.

BiGBoSSMK23

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sudz — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:36:05 MDT

This observation is based off of my friends and family. But anyone who has bought a PS3 up until this point has done do because of the BR capabilities. Now that this stupid format war is over everyone i know who hasnt bought a PS3 is waiting for cheap stand alones (or a cheaper PS3). So do i think sony will make a decent price drop on the PS3? If they want any chance to stay in the game in the US, yes. But then again, its March already and 0 titles have been released that i personally, would buy.

sudz

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syrantking — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:35:08 MDT

Yes...yes...they're playing right into my trap. Soon enough, I'll be able to afford all the consoles!

syrantking

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baked ham — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:25:58 MDT

@Red_Rob: From what I understand you can play through MGS 4 like it's an FPS action title. I'm unsure as to what extent you can play through it without worrying about stealth, but I get the idea that they've made the game a lot more open to the way the player wants to play, as opposed to making it nearly impossible if you don't stay as hidden as you can. You can play through without being seen like before, or you can play through it and do a lot of killing. That's the impression I've gotten, anyway. I haven't played the game, obviously, but I think that's the basic change to the formula. Giving the player control over how they want to experience the game.

baked ham

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scottyboy218 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:20:20 MDT

@PirateThom: You could say the same thing about Sony's recent PS3 price drop, no? Odd how when Sony does it, it's offense to most people. But when MS does it, it's considered defensive.

scottyboy218

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Wolfers — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:19:58 MDT

@Waka in Japan: Europe does not equal the UK, but I know what ya meant.

Wolfers

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KEELr — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:19:05 MDT

I bought my PS2 for Grand Theft Auto 3.

KEELr

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HurricaneDave — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:17:52 MDT

Seeing that the Xbox always had the price advantage compared to the PS3, I don't see how this is going to get Sony worried.

HurricaneDave

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Red_Rob — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:16:54 MDT

@Gambare: Suppose it makes sense given the PS3's multi-region capabilities. Still, I think I might be the only PS3 owner who won't be buying MGS4. Aside from Thief III the whole stealth genre leaves me cold. I want to be shotting things in the face, not hiding in lockers.

Red_Rob

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Wolfers — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:15:54 MDT

@velvet396: That's what immediately came to my mind, too.

As far as being worried, I'm thinking they'll be fine.

Wolfers

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lishi — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:11:12 MDT

those analist are awesome, they can come with such hard prevision.
We need ask them something like
"Do you you will be able to keep from going to bath for at least 72 hour straight?"

lishi

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GameraTheGreat — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:10:31 MDT

@KirbyMorph
I agree, but not many in this thread will hear your voice of reason (backed up with details about MGS's performance history) due to their wild prognostications and desperate hopes. Truthfully, they can say whatever they need to in order to assuage their egos....I just want games to continue to flood the 360 pipeline...something that I really won't have to worry about considering that larger numbers of developers are seeing the $ potential in making games for a system that has such a obscenely high attach rate and offers and easy development architecture....Blaze on!

GameraTheGreat

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Rizzo88 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:10:14 MDT

Here is why I hate the way some people write headlines. Look at the headline of the story on GamesIndustry.biz... It says that Sony is quote nervous unquote, which implies that Sony said that they were nervous. Nope, the quote is from an analyst...

Rizzo88

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Starcraft2008 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:10:00 MDT

@Setzer IIDX: 50% of the reason I bought a PS3 was for it's multimedia functions. Blu-ray, streaming video & pictures via TVersity, remote acesss with the PSP... it's quite a package. I think the PS3 is more for the mature tech crowd who have invested their money in a quality flat panel & sound system. As a media center the PS3 is an absolute bargain.

Starcraft2008

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baked ham — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:09:09 MDT

@KirbyMorph: Don't be fooled. MGS 4 will be huge. Simple.

baked ham

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Sparx — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:08:34 MDT

@WickedSack:

Glad to see your reading skills are top notch. I didn't say MGS would be bigger than Halo, just that it'll move more consoles than people assume it will

Sparx

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shab — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:08:00 MDT

@ Mr.SithNinja: Spot on with "2 consoles for Sony's 1".
I wonder how many hurried meetings there have been at MS recently along the lines of "How far could we push the xbox whatever's launch date forward?".
And cycle goes on...

shab

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littletad — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:07:09 MDT

Such comforting words Fahey, I wonder if you'd do the same for Nintendo or Microsoft. Or include a rather whimsy commment.

littletad

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zanzibarlegend — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:03:19 MDT

@Modus_Operandi: i agree with everything in your post up until the exclusives dept.
GT5
LBP
MGS4
Resistance 2
Motorstorm 2
Wipeout HD

now i didn't graduate with a master's back in college, but that list looks like more than 2 games :D

zanzibarlegend

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NoBullet — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:03:04 MDT

@kiigan: That's what I was thinking GTAIV is more popular worldwide than MGS. WIth the cheaper 360 system and GTAIV out soon, I think this will make sony worried.

NoBullet

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-Sigil- — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:01:03 MDT

Demo bundle, woot. I like the PS3 and GT5 but not GT5 prologue since it's just a demo really.

-Sigil-

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Gambare — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:52 MDT

@Red_Rob:

yes, it will be released at the same time as the rest of the world

Gambare

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WickedSack — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:50 MDT

@Sparx: Weird you think it'll have a bigger impact yet I don't think anyone here is willing to argue that MGS4 will be as big as Halo 3. So are you just pulling it out your ass?

WickedSack

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pupaboy3 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:59:08 MDT

Sony has NOTHING to worry about. Have you forgotten that Sony has BLU-RAY?

pupaboy3

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Gambare — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:10 MDT

worried? I say NO, as long sony continues to deliver awesome titles they don't need to worry, the console is the most complete of all and it worths the money.

Gambare

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Bursar — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:52:03 MDT

I picked up a PS3 at the weekend, primarily for use as a BD player. The fact it's upgradable to Profile 2 makes it worth the slight price premium over a standalone player.

I don't really see me picking up many games for it, and those that I do, I'll probably just download from PSN.

If Sony can cut the base price from £299 to £250 (or lower) by Christmas, I reckon they'll be just fine.

Bursar

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glitched — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:51:38 MDT

March 28th will be bigger for the ps3 than june 12th.
The GT bundle will sell more than the MGS bundle hands down.

glitched

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leckie — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:51:17 MDT

The PS3 retails for £299.99 and the Premium 360 now retails at £199.99 that's a bit larger than the £40.

leckie

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velvet396 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:50:40 MDT

I'm sorry, but millions did not buy the PS3 just to play MGS4.

velvet396

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rotcepsurt — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:49:38 MDT

@RPGr: Wrap it in a towel and play it for a few hours. Instant RROD and a free replacement.

rotcepsurt

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Sparx — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:54 MDT

@KirbyMorph:

That's the same argument people had about Halo. We all assumed people who wanted the game already had the system but there was still a decent spike in sales regardless. It'll have a bigger impact than people think

Sparx

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zanzibarlegend — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:32 MDT

with GT5 and MGS4 around the horizon. this is a natural move by MS. MGS4 is the game that can alter the PS3 future. it will be the game coming from the system's first cycle to attempt to exploit the power of PS3. the hype machine on this game is ago. My boy works at EBGAMES, and he told me that as of 2-28-08, he has done over 100 preorders in days after the MGS4 anaouncement, and now you have the people that want the Bundle a well... so yeah they should not be worried. im sure they were expecting MS to counter all this surge in PS3 news goin on.

zanzibarlegend

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Sugarbloodsuckers — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:46:10 MDT

They won't lower their price for MGS4. If they do lower prices, it's going to be later in the year. While I think Sony might be worried about the price cut, I think they are probably happy MS was forced to do it first. I actually think they'd be more concerned about a price cut in the US that will happen eventually. Though you gotta love how David Mercer gets paid to say the obvious.

Sugarbloodsuckers

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Rectangle — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:45:44 MDT

@invictus2006: "The worst thing about that is that its not even filmed in HD"

You are right. But it isn't bad. 35mm film actually has a *higher* resolution than HD video does.

Rectangle

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IronsUK — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:45:43 MDT

I hope Sony are worried because that can only mean they will consider their own price drop soon(ish). I can't justify all that money for a system that does little or nothing that I can't get from my 360 and Wii, HD movies aside (which I don't care about)

@Sony bring out 5 must-have exclusives in the next year, then we'll talk. 'till then, thanks but no thanks.

IronsUK

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Sparx — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:44:10 MDT

@Modus_Operandi:

There's no question the market has grown dramatically but the growth has been seen primarily in the sales of the Wii and PS2. Even with the bigger market the 360 is still hoovering around the total sales of the original xbox so that point is kinda moot. Assuming the same is true for the PS3 then their adoption rate, considering the price point, is something to keep an eye on.

Btw, I'm still wondering where you're only getting 2 great games, not syaing you're wrong necessarily, but a little elaboration would be nice.

Sparx

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Red_Rob — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:43:00 MDT

Has MGS4 even been given a release date for Europe yet?

Red_Rob

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KirbyMorph — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:42:18 MDT

MGS4 isn't going to make much of a splash in terms of console sales. As the news post says, people bought the console for it already. If previous sales of MGS series are something to go by, MGS4 won't really do gangbuster sales either.

MGS2 sold roughly 7 million copies over the life of the PS2 and launched probably when it was around 30-50 million consoles sold world wide (guessing).

MGS3, which was superior to MGS2 in every way and selling to a user base of about 120 million, roughly 4 times as large as MGS2 did, sold less than 4 million copies or about half what MGS2 did.

The PSP version has barely cleared the 1 million mark despite the large (not DS huge, but still quite impressive) user base.

So, MGS4, selling to about 10 million users, maybe 15 million by June, will most likely be selling to the people that own a PS3 and the odd person that was holding out until the MGS4 bundle. MGS4 won't come close to matching Gears of War or Halo 3 or Mario Galaxy or Smash Bros in sales and will not move consoles like any of those games did.

KirbyMorph

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invictus2006 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:36:41 MDT

Has anyone gone into HMV lately...£30 ($60) for a new blu ray film(usual suspects), you can get a game for that much money. The worst thing about that is that its not even filmed in HD

invictus2006

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sUKi — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:34:56 MDT

I'm pretty sure I read an article stating another analyst predicting that ps3 will outsell 360 in March. Then again that was before the price cut announcement.

sUKi

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Violater — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:33:33 MDT

I am sure they can always preach Value vs Price.
Truth be told that thing is one awesome Bluray Player.
That you know
plays GT5-P and MGS4

Violater

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baked ham — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:31:30 MDT

@sitsalot: It all depends on if they've claimed money from retailers for distribution of the bundles yet. If they haven't, they can easily change the price before it comes out. If they have claimed their money, they can still change the price and issue refunds to the retailers, though that's probably very unlikely to occur if those are the circumstances.

baked ham

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sitsalot — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:30:04 MDT

if sony does a price cut it happens in very late summer or fall. seeing as they already announced the price of the metal gear 4 bundle at $500, its more than unlikely that any kind of drop is happening before or near afer the launch of mgs4.

sitsalot

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mpmaley — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:29:09 MDT

AKA, more PS3 price cuts, nice.

mpmaley

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alextz — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:26:20 MDT

@Waka in Japan: Err... that's kinda extremely wrong :P

alextz

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Mr.SithNinja — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:25:23 MDT

Sony won't do a price cut before MGS4 comes out. Maybe they do one to coinside with the launch but not before. Either way MGS4 will move a lot of systems.

Mr.SithNinja

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MightyKAC — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:25:03 MDT

This feels like a desparation\price undercutting ploy by MS. Which leads me to believe that yet again we will see 2 MS consoles for every one of Sony's. And to me they still won't be worth the silicon they're made with.

MightyKAC

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baked ham — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:24:39 MDT

Personally, I've been predicting a Playstation 3 price cut for months. I've gone so far as to say that it would hit around the time that MGS 4 comes out. That prediction may not come true after all, but I stand by my prediction that it'll have a significant price by the holiday season at the end of 2008. I think the news of a 360 price cut will propel Sony to take action with a price cut even sooner and that it's even more likely to occur. After hearing about the production cost reduction early this year, I thought a cut was imminent as soon as it seems like action needs to be taken to do better against the 360, and the increased sales that are likely to come as a result of the 360 price cuts may be enough to make the PS3 price cut come sooner rather than later. It's only a matter of time as far as I see it. Personally, I think the bet move they could make for their business would be to lower the price as soon as the MGS 4 bundle hits. The day of release should be the first day at a lower price point. Although I'm not sure what an appropriate price would be. Ideally, 399.99 for the 80 GB MGS 4 bundle, but even 449.99 would be a huge improvement.

@PirateThom: I agree that this seems like a defensive move.

@Heliophage: How do you figure it's too late for defense? That comment makes no sense to me. The PS3 has been in the news a lot lately for its upcoming features & games, it's been increasing in sales each week, there are reports of it overtaking the 360 throughout Europe, and the Red Ring problem doesn't seem to be going away. The good/bad ratio for the PS3 lately has been far far better than the good/bad ratio for the 360 in the news lately, and as such I think the only way to properly play things out was for Microsoft to reduce the price, which they've done, and it strikes me as inherently defensive. If you'd care to argue that it's offensive, please do, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

baked ham

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jacksons98 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:24:30 MDT

Price isn't the issue for X360. MS needs to fix the hardware issues, stop gouging customers for accessories and stop charging for online play.

Until then I'm not interested in X360 at almost any price.

jacksons98

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TitillatedOcelot — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:19:30 MDT

PS3 will lower its price this year for sure. If they do it to coincide with the release of MGS4? Hyper Ultra Mega Win.

TitillatedOcelot

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steliosco — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:18:16 MDT

so after this move if sony does a similar price cut m$ can say goodbye and to the EU market after Japan...
Cool.

steliosco

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RPGr — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:16:50 MDT

@NutManIV: I guess I could try to RRoD it but the system just plain locks up only after an hour of playing. Then I'd have to send it in then go through all the crap to get a redownload of all my downloadable content (that is what irks me the most) and recreating a new gamer tag so I can redownload my stuff (and be able to play it offline).

In any case I'm sick of MSes horrid build quality. At this point I just want MS to release an external DVD drive for games, that alone would fix up my problem...

RPGr

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Modus_Operandi — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:15:52 MDT

@Sparx: Those numbers always bothered me. Its evident that the market for games has grown larger. Primarily because of systems like the PS2 and the DS. SO it stands to reason that a system that comes out 6-7 years after the last one should sell faster. Thats just market growth and common sense. While alot of us gaming types and tech nerds thought the format war was a big thing, Joe Consumer didnt even notice it probably. You can make an arguement that digital distrubition has been more widely accepted by the average consumer than the idea of a new DVD format, mainly because of things like iTunes. AGain I just dont think the Blu-ray angle is going to count for much right now. Unfortunetly thats what accounts for most of the price difference between the PS3 and other systems.
And 2 great exclusives is nice but for a console entering its second year it doesnt cut it. This is Sony afterall. They have the best first party dev's this side of Nintendo. Again the games are going to decide this and right now MS has the wider library, due to thei early start, while Nintendo has the typical classic titles to fall back on. Sony is laggin in the games dept. Not the tech dept.

Modus_Operandi

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SG79 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:14:45 MDT

@SG79:

* lagging in Europe that is, not the US.

SG79

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Heliophage — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:14:10 MDT

@PirateThom:

Probably. It's a little too late for defense in that region.

Heliophage

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Tenzu — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:13:07 MDT

Sony shouldn't be worried at all.
I have Wii, 360, and Ps3. Yes, 360 may be like $150 cheaper INITIALLY. But wait! What about a hard drive? Need one of those 120Gb HD runs u $180, 20 GB runs u $100, oh man I need extra controller(s) (60-70 each cause u need the rechargable battery pack... no need to waste money on batteries). Oh wait! ONLINE PLAY! $50 a year... wait Ps3 is free... Oh man... DVD 360 games are $60... and Ps3 blu rays are too????

I like my 360 and my games, but being cheaper than the ps3.. F that. They are around the same or 360 is more expensive.

Sorry for the rant, but damn... they need to factor this stuff in. 360 needs to lower its price to compete with Ps3. (360 has better games atm, ps3 has better user interface, and Wii has Smash).

Tenzu

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SG79 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:12:50 MDT

@Modus_Operandi:

BD drove some sales in Jan (US) after Warner's announcement and with HD-DVD's death, the momentum is likely to continue as small it may be. Every bit counts. Despite having a stronger library AND a lower price point, the 360 was lagging behind the PS3 already. So this may boost sales for a while, but with a strong software lineup coming in the next few months, things will likely change.

And being a DVD player pushed the PS2 in the first 6 months to a year.

SG79

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Byakko — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:10:46 MDT

I just want a 360 price-cut here in Asia =/ A 40GB PS3 is cheaper here than a 360. Well, naturally it's practically bundled with NOTHING (just one controller), while the 360's are typically bundled with the games, headest, two controllers etc.

Byakko

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PirateThom — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:10:13 MDT

Am I the only one who thinks that this is Microsoft's defense rather than offense?

PirateThom

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sitsalot — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:09:35 MDT

june 12th is the day people are OK spending $500 on a game console. please.

mgs4 will have an effect on ps3 sales, but who knows what the 360 price will be on that date in the US. also, mgs4 is a big franchise, but its not GTA/Mario/Halo big.

metal gear will certainly keep ps3 sales higher than they would be without the bundle, but the question is what will it bump ps3 sales to. if ps3 sales are sub 200k per month before mgs4, and it bumps the sales to 210-250k for an extended period of time before the winter months (lets say through september) that will be seen as a success.

sitsalot

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NutManIV — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:08:02 MDT

@RPGr:

Hmm that sucks. Its past the 1 year factory warranty? You know you could easily just RROD it. I don't see why you're complaining about how DRE isnt covered under the 3 year RROD warranty. You can just leave it on for like 12 hours straight or you can do the towel thing.

NutManIV

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Eville1 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:07:56 MDT

They're dropping the price in expectation of the ass raping their new blu ray addone is going to give you.

Eville1

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SG79 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:07:16 MDT

@jasoncourt:

Actually MGS is far more popular in the PAL regions than the US. Likewise for Tekken; unrelated but interested to note.

SG79

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El-Suave — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:58 MDT

They'd be stupid to cut the price with GT 5 Prologue and Metal Gear 4 coming out so soon.
360 can do some damage if it's the cheapest GTA IV player in April/May, but after that I don't see them wowing crowds in Europe.

El-Suave

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Waka in Japan — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:34 MDT

Europe, that place where people use Pounds

Waka in Japan

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Modus_Operandi — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:20 MDT

@Setzer IIDX: Yes it can play DVD's, so can the 360. Like you said the main selling point is that it can play Blu-ray. But I dont think the general public is big on upgrading to HD movies. Most are just happy with DVD's. What drove sales with the PS2 was that the genral non gaming public so it as a low cost DVD player. It had great value in that sense. Without a large majority of general consumers looking for a value priced Blu-ray player the PS3 main selling as one falls flat. Instead it has to try to sell the system as what it is. A gaming system. And based on solely being a gaming system the 360 has a better catalog of games with a lower price point. If Sony wants to make a big push it needs to crank out more high quality titles. The Blu-ray angle isnt going to push sales.

Modus_Operandi

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Sparx — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:04:39 MDT

@Modus_Operandi:

Why wouldn't they? Its sold better than the PS2 so that has to account for something doesn't it? The death of HD-DVD only helps strengthen that idea along with the PS3 being the best BR player on the market. And from my count there are more than 2 great games this year and most of them exclusive.

Sparx

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RPGr — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:04:36 MDT

Sorry to have to bash MS again here but /rantalert

IT'S NOT A PRICE CUT IF I HAVE TO BUY 2 OR MORE XBOX 360s IN A 4 YEAR PERIOD.

/rantalert

Yeah, still bitter about the fact that my 360 is dying w/o RRoD and with DREs instead (means its not covered under warranty)

RPGr

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DarkMan08 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:02:42 MDT

@Dorphat the Insomniac: yes it was, and even then the PS3 was able to outsell the 360 in most of Europe.

DarkMan08

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Setzer IIDX — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:01:39 MDT

@Modus_Operandi: I don't follow your logic. PS3 can play DVDs, so noone has to throw out their collections.

Plus, a lot of people ARE buying it for just that reason. Perhaps even more than those getting it for gaming, I'm not sure.
Blu Ray IS the huge selling point right now. There are as of yet no PS3 Must Haves that are released for games.

Setzer IIDX

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ImmortalJoe — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:00:32 MDT

MS ill always have the edge when it comes to these price cuts, they can always afford them.

ImmortalJoe

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NutManIV — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:00:17 MDT

@jasoncourt:

So you're saying its not possible that Sony is worried over these new xbox 360 price cuts? I disagree. I also believe that MICROSOFT was worried when Sony cut the price of the PS3.

NutManIV

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kiigan — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:59:11 MDT

I think for many people in April, the 360 represents the cheapest route to playing GTA IV. That's the bottom line really.

I love the MGS series but they aren't really system-selling titles beyond the hardcore enthusiasts.

kiigan

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Dorphat the Insomniac — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:58:46 MDT

@jasoncourt: Yup! Nintendo is printing money, and I'm *sure* they're happy.

Wasn't the 360 already cheaper than the PS3 before this?

Dorphat the Insomniac

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DaiMacculate — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:58:43 MDT

@Setzer IIDX: They may also have scored points with Kojima and Konami, which would be the real benefit to them.

DaiMacculate

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Sparx — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:58:39 MDT

I'll believe it when I see it, until then analysts can just go back into hiding

Sparx

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ImmortalJoe — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:58:24 MDT

See that's why you should never count MS out; they're always going to screw with you when it comes to money :p
In any case, I'm the biggest MGS fan you'll meet but even I cannot deny the fact that it WON't exactly rain on MS's parade; it was never the type of game to bring HUGE sales numbers.

ImmortalJoe

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Modus_Operandi — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:58:12 MDT

Sony still seems to holdto this idea that consumers are thinking about the PS3 the same way they did about the PS2. "Its not expensive when you think about it as a game system and a Blu-ray player". Thats what helped drive the PS2. It was a game system and a DVD player. Problem is this time around people arent clamoring to switch to the Blu-ray format. True that come next year all TV signals will be digital and HD sets are becoming the norm but too many people feel that they arent ready to fling their DVD collections out the window just yet. Sony has to concentrate more on providing alot of great games. Not just 1 or 2 a year. They arent Nintendo. They dont have that ability. Think about it like this. You can either spend extra and get a Blu-ray player with your game system or you can get an 360 sans Blu-ray but a crap ton of great games.

Modus_Operandi

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DaiMacculate — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:57:53 MDT

Is GT5 coming out for the 360? If not, I don't think Sony has any worries in the EU ;)

DaiMacculate

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Setzer IIDX — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:57:36 MDT

I wonder how much Nintendo helped inspire MGS awareness with SSBB?

My little bro saw Snake for the first time, being an avid CoD fan, he instantly loved the guy. Grenades, RPGs, and a UAV for a recovery hooked him.

I'm sure there are others that want to relive and now play MGS. I think Nintendo may have helped Sony's hype.

Setzer IIDX

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jasoncourt — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:56:32 MDT

So analysts predict company emotions now...cool. I would think it would be difficult enough to predict economic trends and company actions. By the way, DO companies have emotions?

jasoncourt

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Chadders — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:54:45 MDT

I don't think many people in Europe bought a Playstation 1 or 2 for the MGS series... my opinion.

Chadders

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boopadoo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:53:56 MDT

I wouldn't say they're worried. They're hopeful.

boopadoo

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Garo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:53:34 MDT

Worried? Rather Nervous!

Garo

Analyst: Sony Worried Over 360 Price Cuts

Blinded220 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:52:07 MDT

Ugh, June cannot come soon enough. Can't wait!

Blinded220