ninjablaze

Cerif27

InsolenceAndHeresy

Anyway, you forgot one CON, the ability not to play the user created levels online. That kinda sucks but maybe we will be able to in a future update, MAYBE!!!!

finally played a random online bout last night and it was kinda laggy but not horribly so.

GREAT GAME OVERALL!!!!!!

freespeech

I also like how you need to get your opponent to an upwards of at least 120%+ to successfully smash them off of the stage...unless you get hit by a pesky smart bomb lol.

ddrmacintosh

Subspace Emissary disappointed me immensely. The first half was alright, but then afterwards it just kept getting more and more repetitive and eventually felt like a chore getting through those levels. And the Subspace maze that pretty much is the last 20% of the game is a total nightmare of backtracking.

Sandbox_Emperor

zanzibarlegend

Feels much slower, has nothing to do with Wavedash... Is the Japanese release faster??? From what gameplay I have been watching up till the US release it appears that way...Also some jump height is not in proper proportions to the "Gravity / Heaviness" of the character.

Like most of the things incorporated in gameplay. Stage Editor will always keep things interesting. Like the new Items/Smashes/Pokemon/Assist Trophies(pokemon...)

Wish you could flip some peices in the editor vertically or horizontally... Would like to have spiked ceilings. I have only unlocked the first set of pieces getting close to 10. I hope that is one of the additions.

Would like to have the ability to use snapshots in game as backgrounds and or pictures from the SD card.

Danjaranja

Can't complain about friend codes, its better than it was in melee. Man, that online mode sucked. Oh wait, I guess it didn't exist.

Ptolemy

ikarl67

DaiMacculate

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

gusiskirby

Sinfjotle

AndrewDB

"* Friend Codes: Screw the Friend Code system. Enough said."

Amen.

Codexx

crakhed

goombakiller

johndango

Zarrock

Same goes for Ness and Lucas. They're both little boys with "PK" type attacks, and the same mode of recovery, but almost every other attack has significantly different properties and animations. It's still 10x a bigger difference b/w them, when compared to the brawl clones: mario/doc, marth/roy, pi(ka)chu, c-falc/ganon

teh_sideburns

just unlocked sonic this afternoon (by beating Classic Mode w/ 10 diff characters) and he is my fav so far. marth and pika were my mains in Melee but i think Sonic just won my heart with his crazy speed and nostalgia-inducing spinny sounds.

and his final smash is just too fun. especially when it goes away and you're left to fall helplessly to your demise.

i dabbled in the melee tournament scene and learned all the advanced techniques, and it's taken some getting used to, not wavedashing or l-canceling or crouch-canceling runs into c-smashes. but i love the new game, and i've vowed not to get "serious" about it for at least a year. i want my friends to enjoy playing me again =)

teh_sideburns

@KM91: Hell, its even easier than that, pop open WordPad, NotePad, Stickies, Textedit, Word, whatever you use for text on your computer and just make a master FC file, add Kotaku/whatever nicks next to each code.

I don't miss the random "friends" I pick up in Halo/XBL in general, half of whom stop playing the game within a month of becoming my friend or start sending me "game spam", by which I mean invites to crazy custom games sent to their whole friends list, until I delete them. I prefer the online company of real friends and those I meet through places like Kotaku.

Speaking of which, feel free to message me on here with your code, mine is listed under my Steam ID ;)

DaiMacculate

Ramza

Namely:
Start -> Unlock/Copy
Lucas -> Nes
Mario -> Luigi (this one was expected)
Fox -> Falco (Also expected)
Ike -> Marth (sorta expected)

Now the next one we unlocked was Snake and he definitely has a unique set of moves and tricks, much love for the remote-detonator mine :)

However I, sort of expected Marth, Nes and Falco being unlocks from the original to be starters and Lucas and Ike are frankly carbon copies. I'm sure each has one slightly different move or Super Smash but their similarities make them less appealing as unlocks.

In the previous eddtion Marth and Nes (and IIRC none of the unlocks) shared move sets so closely (exactly?) with already playable characters so they added more than a new look to the available characters.

Gwydeon

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strattacaster

KM91

dawimp523

mrnoproblem

Erwos

Plan303e

Friend codes wouldnt be such an issue if random matches werent so limited. At the very least there should be the option to turn items and time limit on/off.

What i do really like though is the spectator betting gimmick. It seems so pointless until you start losing big money on that idiot snake player who keeps hiding in his box. I found myself getting genuinely interested in these matches and even yelled at the tv a couple times. Also noticed myself getting caught up in that "just one more bet" mentality to try to win my coins back... very addicting.

Btw, anyone know what the bonus chance when you're betting does? Doesnt seem to payout any bigger...

Thrillhaus

lumpy108

BornToFlail

StratfordX

I'm A Gamer Type Guy!!

Communist_Gamer

reptile168

Garcia

Flowen

but then again i've never played Super smash before, so i guess i don't have any hang ups, unlike those who are just used to the game cube controller

Onizuka-GTO

PS> Ike and Meta Knight FTW!!!!!!

MasterSauce

Foxstar Sixtail

LOLisong

The fact is, most Smash players see online multiplayer as a happy perk, not something that is vital to their enjoyment of the game. Same with almost every other Nintendo franchise. Given that, why should Nintendo blow a bunch of time and money competing with MS and Sony at a game their core audience either doesn't care about or already has 360/PS3/PC to fill their need for?

DaiMacculate

adventchild08

I like playing the subspace and fighting the enemies (rather than just running through) becuase it forces you to play with some characters you wouldn't normally and gets you used to them - maybe even find a new favorite (I never liked yoshi before and now I play yoshi a lot - except it really sucks when you screw up and roll in an egg right off the side - there isn't enough time to cancel from egg mode and jump to make it back on).

Hmmm some characters still seem fast (I like Shiek personally if you wanna talk fast players). But then I haven't played Melee for years and never really got into melee so I could be totally off.

oh did I say friday? - that couldn't be right!?! LOL don't worry its 100% legit - its
called "friends and family".

Ice climbers are my favorite - its fun to beat on people with cute and cuddly ice climbers.

Has ANYONE had success with Olimar? I had a party and we played 4 player brawl for hours and I don't think even the best player of the group was able to win with Olimar. Hes a very cool character just really weak - hopefully everyone was just not playing him correctly. I think of all the characters I had at the time of the party Pit seemed to win the most.

MysteryMachine

So I'd like to kindly ask those of you who have ordered the combo to let me and us know how it works for you.

Poison

BCzeon27

CarbonatedWater

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

vibe

The developers were obviously trying to balance the game, and, unfortunately, they succeeded.

Maybe I just haven't quite gotten used to it yet. I don't know. But one thing I do know is that I won't be playing it at all for another effing week because, apparently, my Wii has contracted cancer. Stupid disc read errors!

vibe

awa64

wheezo

Mlata

Second im not sure what people are saying when they say the level creator needs to be more user friendly. You select a piece, and then place it on the board. As you build more stages more pieces become available to you. its super simple. I haven't unlocked everything yet but i am seriously hoping they include mario bricks and backgrounds. i've made about 5 so far and i am loving it.

haven't tried online yet. i'll check it out tonight

justaj

Kiden4911

As for my impressions, the adventure mode was mediocre from a gameplay perspective. All I did was run through the stages fighting only when I had to (about 30% of the time). That said the cutscenes are amazing. It's worth playing through campaign just for the cutscenes (falco's intro ftw).

Multiplayer-wise, I'm a bit disappointed. Casual to Regular gamers probably won't notice or care for that matter, but the game slowed down a LOT. All advanced techniques are gone and combos don't exist. All attacks knock back the opponent so much that its impossible to follow up with anything (please don't show me any combo vids, I've seen all of Brawl's combo vids and those aren't combos, a decent player could escape all of them with DI and dodging). O and throws are useless, they don't kill, do much damage, or lead into any attacks.

I'm not saying Brawl isn't fun, I'm just saying the "fighter" aspect of Smash was dumbed down a lot in Brawl.

Kiden4911

mferrari

mferrari

As for my impressions, SSE was mediocre, all I did was run through the stages fighting around 30% of the time. That said the movies were crazy good. Worth a play through just for the movies (and unlocking characters).

Multiplayer-wise I'm a little disappointed. Casual to regular gamers won't notice much difference but the game slowed down a LOT. All advanced techniques are gone, and combos don't exist anymore. All attacks knock back the opponent too far back to follow it up with anything, eliminating a lot of skill. It's basically who can hit first, then reset and start over. O and throws are useless, don't lead into any attacks and don't kill.

I'm not saying its not fun. I'm saying the "fighter" aspect of Smash got dumbed down in Brawl.

Kiden4911

Wyld

Rocci1212

The co-op on the subspace adventure is great: I can be playing it single and a friend can drop in at anytime without starting a new save or exiting the level (except they can't drop out).

The "bosses" in the subspace adventure mode seemed really inconsistant on the difficulty (I played on easy first, since you unlock different things at different difficulty might as well start with easy). Some were too simple, a few were pretty hard for playing on easy.

But WTF about not allowing us using wiimote drag and drop for level creator?!?!? (or is there some way to do that which I am not seeing?) That and the friend codes are the worst. Its bad enough registering your friends once on the wii but then again inside SSBB? Seriously...

MysteryMachine

ajay42

ajay42

The adventure mode, it was pretty fun in the beginning, because I loved the old school Kirby games and the Subspace feels like that. But in the end, I LOATHED the terrible fetch quest it made me go on.

kanashimaru

NPlace

Spaz569

chris_sinista

I agree, Subspace Emissary is bleh. I give it a C. I wanted to be fighting, not figuring out which moves are best to spam against repetitive enemies (ike's forward-A in air and most of DK's moves are insane against stuff in Subspace Emissary btw, and link isn't too shabby either).

Two things that made me go wtf:
1. No stock in random online matches - WTF??? Time SUCKS, it's all about kill-stealing.
2. Friend codes WTF. Seriously. Not a single person likes them. Failure Nintendo, failure.

Quine

But I kind of like the remote and nunchuk configuration. I can pull off quicker attacks for some reason.

Megan Fox Iz Hot! ^-^ - ph15h

diablodevil2

ulix

A little background into my experience at the kiosk: only control choice was the Wii remote w/ Nunchuck, and it was so unbearably awkward that I couldn't keep up with the level the game chose for me. Can't remember the name of the level, but it starts on an airship and the screen automatically scrolls so you have can't stan in one place for long or the screen makes whatever your standing on disappear and then you fall and die. So, coupled the awkward controls with a level that won't let you stay still, and I couldn't do anything properly and had absolutely zero fun doing it. And finally, the CPU character I was fighting against didn't do a damn thing except the bare minimum of jumping in order to not be caught standing on a platform that would eventually disappear off the screen. It didn't attack me at all.

Everything about it seemed awkward, so I decided not to buy it and come to the trusty internet and ask around and see if playing it with the Classic controller is as awkward, and whether or not the majority of the levels are as annoying as that one, what with the automatic scrolling and so forth.

And another thing: I was never a big fan of the earlier games in the series. I did enjoy them marginally, but only when I had 3 friends to play against, and ony then if it was the only game that all 3 of them agreed we should play, otherwise I have more fun playing other multiplayer games.

So, yeah, does this game sound like something I should go ahead and pick up or did I make the right decision by leaving my pre-order copy in the store?

baked ham

TalKeaton

Giolon

TrekVogel

As my own opinion I think the character balancing was fairly poor. The super moves are emberrasingly over powered for some, while others can end up doing nothing when they ARE successful (see Kirby's pot)

Evil_Snow_Man

shorty1k

I don't have a clue what's causing it, but it's some severe graphical lag.

Ignatius

Sunjammer

valhum

SpartanQ77

juliopalio

I'm very impressed with the game so far, and mostly because of the terrific co-op and multiplayer. My wife can play right along with me, even though she has no fighting game experience. It's the element of luck in Smash Bros. that makes it so addictive and more of a party game offering that involves a really meaty experience.

Benjo

Go get involved in politics or something that matters. Jeez.

Sunjammer

SpartanQ77

For the record, Snake is technically CLOSER to the original mandate that characters had to originate on a Nintendo platform, as the Metal Gear franchise started back on the NES.

moviebob

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWL

Any questions?

Forkball

goldwings

People, friend codes take 10 seconds to type in...

blacksamurai87

goldwings

dirtybacon

Ghede

I'ma try online this weekend. If it doesn't work all that well for me, oh well. Game is more fun with friends around anyway.

Saint Anima

You just made my day.

Beep, beep, bitches!

el_gordo

Only complaint? Tripping. Wtf.

onidavin

VakeroRokero

goldwings

TrekVogel

I dunno about anyone else, but i mapped the jump button to the Z instead of C, and that made a world of difference. I can't imagine just pounding a little C button when I'm about to fall off the stage.

zeropoint.0

and there are poeple commenting about a friend code swap here :/ doesnt swapping them with random people on the internet kill the purpose of friend codes protecting kids?

not saying anyone on kotaku is a pedo but you never know.

hungry_for_worms

MoogPaul

Rocci1212

You wouldn't be throwing your money away with the Wii, and that's what everyone keeps telling your ignorant self.

The Wii is a damn fine system, from everything from the controllers, to the games it offers, to the Virtual Console, pull your head out of your ass and accept it.

The only problem a lot of people have with the Wii is the Friend Code system, and for all we know, Nintendo could be working on removing that.

AndrewDB

Although I'm not wild about the polarity of "loved/hated" for reviews (what about stuff you just liked, or was just sort of annoying?), I do like the reviewer explicitly stating how much of the game he/she played. You don't see that in enough reviews.

Z-Word

Also, 30 minute brawl, in a custom "One Way Out" map, with heavy gravity, 3 level 7 CPU opponents, metal bodies and flower heads, is one MASSIVE way to blow half an hour and love it.

SilverStar95

Not that they'll be getting the game for another 10 years or so but...

FP Furious_Liver, lacks independence

This morning I got 5 matches in a row quick as shit, before heading off for work. It found people immediatly, but I'm guessing that was luck.

Ran pretty smooth, haven't tried with friends yet.

FunKrusher

Otherwise, hell, I'm having too much fun. I loved the last game's Adventure Mode, so I like this one too.

Rebochan

aaa

Gadgetron

Gadgetron

jive238

As for the Wiimote and Nunchuck - I love the controls - I don't see how they're bad. The only quarrel I have with it is block being all the way over on Z.

Shocky

tme2nsb

SpikyBry

Mommar

Most of the hate was dumb. The Wiichuk works perfect. I think the only people whining about it are people who up until yesterday played Melee non stop. Some of us don't have a million friends to constantly play games with. I tried playing Melee again a few months ago and couldn't because of the bizarre controls. You had to get used to the first two Smash games, but anyone who has never played them or simply become detached from the controls can easily get into the game with no sacrifices by using the Wiimote/Nunchuk.

I assume the lag will get fixed, but the stupidity of friend codes will carry into eternity.

Bobby McPresscott

You know what helps with that problem? Opening up the pretty little white boxes and putting the disc in the machine and actually playing the games. You might actually end up having, you know, FUN instead of trying to carve new and bigger chips for your shoulder.

ajay42

Terrible

Terrible

Terrible

Requiring FCs for each online game is bad enough especially when Nintendo said that this wouldn't be the case but it's infuriates me that they require TWO sets of FCs to fully enjoy the game with friends. Otherwise you can't send photos (which are surprising awesome) and videos to your friends. I love the game...I really do...but I shake my head at the bone-headed, dumbass mistakes that didn't have to be.
SSBB should have had leaderboards...it should have voice chat...it should have a friend's list that is tied to the friends you already have on your Wii...it should have had dedicated servers that prevented the debacle that was online play last night...

I just hope Nintendo fixes this mess quick (at least the online portion...or it's only going to get worse as more people try to play online. I still can't understand why Nintendo would provide parental controls and still gimp the online experience of Nintendo Wifi.

It's just stupid.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Kyle

trogam

Kyle81

dunnace

AndrewDB

AndrewDB

The online is currently having problems, so hopefully the lag will go away soon.

Adventure mode could be better, but it's hardly hated by me.

And yes, Friend codes suck.

zdude255

Is nintendo saying that i can only have a max of 64 friends in my life or are they saying that because of the Wii shortage, they highly doubt I know 64 ppl with wiis....

zeropoint.0

GustoGaiden

ludwigk

AndrewG009

AndrewDB

Also, I didn't really experience lag in multiplayer but from what I've heard it's basically a matter of time before I do.

Otherwise, I agree 100%

Jomo7

LX

I kinda wanna ask, can we have a friend code exchange in the comments?

I can't imagine there'd be enough room for all of that.

PapaBear434

That's some good tips as to how to have a more pleasant online experience.

Saxboy

AndrewDB

Nintendo is planning on charging for a new online system, not for the one they have out now.

That aside....
Also the lag is TERRIBLE. I've played 12 matches with people from across the country and never once played an even decent lag free match. I have huge bandwidth for cable and average about 100 ping.

Dumari

It's like the difference between Xbox Live Silver and Gold. Everyone has Silver, only those who pay for it have Gold.

AndrewDB

1) Camera focus is always on player 1. This especially doesn't make sense since the game already has lots of action scaling built into the regular game play. This leads to lots of life-loss/accidental deaths for the tag-along member. It is also *somewhat* kludgily made up for by the 'teleport to player 1' effect that sometimes triggers, seemingly randomly.

2) Sometimes falling will kill you, sometimes you are supposed to travel downwards, sometimes its a mix of both. SSBB and its brethren are built around the paradigm of falling down = death. Mixing this with triggered event driven down-scrolling level play is very awkward and unintuitive gameplay. I would say it is surprisingly unintuitive for a game that nintendo puts its name on.

Still, having a lot of fun with it, learning to play the various coop modes w/ my GF.

ludwigk

The platforming in the adventure mode didn't get on my nerves until toward the end (well I still haven't completed it, I unfortunately had to sleep) though a few of the puzzle elements (hitting those pink buttons, you know the ones) frustrated me a little because I really just wanted to bash my way through pretty linear stages and watch cutscenes, as Super Smash really isn't set up for much beyond that.

MPSai

Stormrider

I picked up SSBB yesterday, and like every other Wii title I have picked up its sitting next to my Wii gathering dust, but at least now there is a game on the Wii I am looking forward to.

Gadgetron

DaiMacculate

I just did about eight matches online, and they were flawless and loads of fun.

We had one round where someone chose Kirby, didn't KO anyone at all, the next round they got a Smash ball (Damn do I love those things), and got us ALL in his little pot of doom, after we all respawned, we all ran after him and just nuked the **** out of him, I think he had something like 340% damage before I Up-B spiral attacked him out of the arena as Ike.

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I'm going to be tossing my Brawl FC on my profile shortly. :]

AndrewDB

Brawl is their first big online title on the system. So I would imagine they were less that preparred. Not a good thing with a blockbuster title, but not all unexpected (remember Live's big crash this past Christmas from all the new gamers getting things like Halo, Rock Band, and CoD4 (or did that come out later?)

TRT-X

Did try it using just the Wiimote (turned sideways). Wasn't too bad.

But just in case i've got friends with differeing opinions, I managed to find a used Wavebird at GameStop (they had three!), plus the spare Cube controller I didn't sell. Plus a Wiimote/Chuk and a second Wiimote (thanks Wii Play) and I'm set for four player with a trio of control options.

TRT-X

Additionally, there is a bit more versatility you get from the combo controls, not the least of which being able to transfer your player name (if you're into that) into it for when you play at a friend's house.

If you're a tournament player, stick with the Gamecube controller, since you've practiced for years using it and wilt at the thought of using anything else. If, however, you want a fresh experience, spend at least three hours with the Wiimote/nunchuk controls. I think you'll find yourself pleasantly surprised.

Neo Deus

diablodevil2

danbellinger1

LAGtastic

LAGalisious

LAGGED the hell out

Online...Brawl has been a pathetic experience. But here's where it gets even WORSE. If you want to share content from the game, not only does your friend have to have your Wii FC they have to have your Brawl FC too. I've only had two matches that were lag free out of 10 and then I got