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Brawl Doesn't Work With Some Wii

Tonymontana655 — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:59:51 MDT

I have a Wii. I have waited a long time to play Brawl (went to the video store to rent it many times and it wasn't there). I finally rented a copy of brawl and I was excited (It has no scratches or anything) I put it in my Wii system, and it doesn't play.... I guess I have to send my Wii in for a repair now ><;;

Tonymontana655

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thelivingrobot — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:29:22 MDT

Awesome. I have my 360 back from repairs for about two weeks, and now it's time to send off the wii. I wonder what I'll be sending out come April.

thelivingrobot

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Lusien — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:55:18 MDT

Question.

Has anyone with a modded Wii sent theirs in to be cleaned? And if so did you get your Wii back? I recall nintendo having something that if the system was previously opened the would deny any further repairs. So I was just wondering.

Lusien

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nathans202001 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:49:53 MDT

well just to let everyone know it sound like nintendo isn't sure what is going on cause they are saying it could be the system or the game according to the letter we have at work so i don't think they know what the problem is either but they have told the stores not to accept the games back and tell the customers to contact nintendo and more or less keep all customers in the dark

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freespeech — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:26:10 MDT

so far so good with my copy AND I finally got to play a random battle online last night last night!

freespeech

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Mokona — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:56:36 MDT

@comedy: My bet is that all the people experiencing the problem are either:
a) in a house/room where smoking is involved;
b) do not put their game CDs in the box when not in the console (i.e. the disc stays on a table, or on the floor, and all kinds of filth get stuck to it, then gets into the console);
c) have a very dusty room.

I'm pretty sure c) is a minor issue here, it's really more a) and especially b) that are the problem. Then again, it probably is related in a poor choice of manufacturer for the cd drive materials too.

Mokona

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TomSkylark — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:11:06 MDT

I had to do an update which freaked me out at first. The disc pic wasn't showing up on my wii menu once I popped out Super Paper Mario and I was worried something was wrong. But! After a quick download, there was the rush of adrenaline as the screen appeared!

... But, sorry to everyone having this issue. I'm glad they supply a fix, but this still sucks. :(

TomSkylark

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Sinnbox — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:32:06 MDT

OLD NEWS Kataku posted about this on the Japanese Launc day. Smoking not only kills you it kills your Wii.

Sinnbox

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essko — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:14:52 MDT

just sent mine off today.... i got to play four about 10 minutes before it completely stopped working though ^.^!!!..... yeah, this sucks.. and does that mean that after a while i'll have to send it off again? i mean, it vould possibly get the same way in another year right?

essko

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_Ted_ — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:55:14 MDT

@A8acus: same here

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kubevubin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:18:33 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": Actually, it's the widescreen in my case. I have everything that supports progressive scan set to progressive scan. I have an upconverting DVD player that I use at a 4:3 aspect ratio for watching 4:3 programming, and it keeps all settings available. That's with 480p, obviously. If I switch to 720p, it grays out all non-widescreen options.

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kubevubin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:16:20 MDT

@DaiMacculate: It's a Philips 42" plasma television. Like I said, the only really annoying thing about the actual situation is that I need to manually switch it to widescreen on that particular input. The television saves the setting per input, so it's not a big deal, as I only use my Wii on that input (the rest of the consoles are on a switch that's plugged into the side AV ports). It's just disturbing that I seem to be the only person in existence who was having this issue. My roommate thought that I was insane, but I pay very close attention whenever I'm dealing with video-related settings and whatnot on nearly anything.

@zeropoint.0: Amusingly, this is something that people should've realized as soon as the concept of controller extensions was uttered. As soon as I learned about the Nunchuk, I knew that the Wii Remote would prove to be woefully inadequate for certain genres.

Even sadder is the fact that we were told to imagine a controller that would allow you to play all games from the past, as well as those to come. Apparently, that meant that we'd need to buy four different controllers in order to do what you can do with one on other consoles. And some of the motion controls could've been done as simply context-senstive button presses on other consoles. Playing MP3C on Wii, the most stressful part is grappling bosses. The bosses, themselves, are easy, but the freaking motion controls blow in some respects. Even NMH is guilty of this at times, although I love the game.

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Marcelo — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:03:03 MDT

Ran perfectly without a hitch on my launch-day Wii, which sits in Burbank, CA (lots of smog) in a house with two cats. No jerky movies, nothing. My only problem is that I can't seem to get online for a match, but I can understand if Nintendo's servers are a little slammed.

I need to get me a Wavebird. I love playing with my GC controller but the cable is just a SMIDGE too short.

Marcelo

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lushen124 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:02:12 MDT

Does this really happen to a lot of people? Because I had no problems playing Brawl on my Wii. Load times kind of suck, but it definitely plays fine.

lushen124

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static — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:46:15 MDT

I can see it now, everyone will be blowing in their Wii just like the NES Cartridges back in the day.

static

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jourdan10169 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:28:12 MDT

I really don't think it's a problem with a dirty lens, as i come from a house that has never been smoked in, and my mother cleans every day, and i clean all my game consoles and hand held systems daily... i think is just a broken, old or defective laser... all of my other Wii games work just fine, and all 20 people i know who have an "original" Wii it works just fine, and i know they're parents smoke a lot. This definitely makes me mad considering next week is spring break and i wanted to beat it over that period of time...

jourdan10169

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TStodden — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:14:52 MDT

Who here wasn't aware this was going to happen?

We has this problem when the game was released in Japan & there was a high probability of it occurring in the US...

At least NOA is being nice enough to try to remedy the problem on their dime.

TStodden

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kor4ever — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:52:06 MDT

Just in case anyone else is wondering, Nintendo is insuring the FedEx shipment, so don't worry if you see that the FedEx invoice has a declared value of $0. Nintendo will take care of the shipment if anything goes wrong. I checked with two customer reps.

kor4ever

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:11:31 MDT

@kubevubin: My TV's kinda like that, but it's not widescreen that makes it lock out all the other options, its progressive scan. Did you check if it was just switched back to interlaced?

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zeropoint.0 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:48:10 MDT

@dirtybacon: yea same here, i just don't know whether to old school it and pick up gamecube controllers or adapt with the new...

zeropoint.0

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PHILOSOPHER541 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:33:05 MDT

its funny i have all the next gen systems. bought them all at launch my ps3 60gb back for repairs, now my wii back for repairs even though i hardly play it, in a smoke free home with an ion breeze to have the dust at a minimum and they are trying to say that some lenses needs cleaning? right good excuse nintendo. they actually do want the game and console sent to them. it does not state that in the form but when i called them they said they want both. i am going to return the game back to best buy and see if it is the game of the system. as for my 360 damn thing still works with no problem since launch and its my most hated out of the bunch.

PHILOSOPHER541

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Sundermania — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:31:29 MDT

I have a launch day Wii that sounds like it wants to explode while its loading SSBB. I have never heard sounds like this coming from it before. No More Heroes was the only thing that came close.

Sundermania

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zeropoint.0 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:29:08 MDT

Before I post, I am not bashing the game in any sort of manner. I love the game, I love the series. Thank God my copy is able to work on the wii, but the load times are unbearable as some have posted here. It's leaving me to question whether I do have a problem or not. There been times i thought my wii crashed due to load times.

Btw, anyone else finding C button as a jump button severely limiting, I've reconfigured but I'm tempted to drop an extra $50 to buy new gamecube controllers, but it just seems odd to me to revert back an old controller, when the new one is supposed to be so ground breaking.

zeropoint.0

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Mr.SithNinja — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:12:21 MDT

The dirty lens thing is a complete load of BS!! I know somebody who bought his Wii literaly a week before Brawl came out and he had the problem also. Is Nintendo shipping Wiis with dirty lenses?? BS!!! You have to ship it to the Big N to clean it?? BS!! There is a much larger problem going on here. If it was something like a dirty lens, then wouldn't you have to keep shipping it back to Nintendo every few weeks or months for "cleaning"??? They have hardware issuse that they aren't admiting to. I would rather have them say it was a faulty laser that has trouble reading Dual Layer and that shipping back to them is to replace it. The "dirty lens" crap is a flat out lie!!

Mr.SithNinja

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with_a_pH — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:01:47 MDT

How about the "lens cleaning CD" that you can buy?
These are CDs that have little micro brushes.

with_a_pH

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Mr.SithNinja — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:57:24 MDT

First Bully now this.... DAMN YOU SHODDY DEVS/PUBS (whoever's fault it is) !!!!!

Mr.SithNinja

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iamnotdryad — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:50:33 MDT

@Christoph:

You're crying this hard over spilled milk? Be glad it's not as awful as the experience of getting a broken 360 fixed.

iamnotdryad

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Ganon18 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:05:05 MDT

Sadly im one of the ppl with a bugged copy or the copy that doesnt work i stayed up all night at Wal-Mart to get this game and this happens T_T i hate my life

Ganon18

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Ganon18 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:02:19 MDT

Ironically im one of the ppl with a bugged copy of Brawl or the copy that doesnt work T_T i hate my life

Ganon18

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Dorphat the Insomniac — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:53:04 MDT

So is this really a "dirty lens" problem or are there a batch of Wiis that failed miserably?

Dorphat the Insomniac

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randomlinh — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:47:39 MDT

Well, I have a launch day wii and had no problems. Friend has a near launch day, maybe a couple of months after, and it had no problems.

At first, thought it was dead because it didn't show any icon, but realized it just needed the update.

We both have had huge issues w/ Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, specifically in the shooters. Choppy as hell, and trouble loading levels.

randomlinh

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Christoph — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:29:13 MDT

ANGST. I got it at midnight here and, due to bad weather, had no internet or TV so I had to deal with their phone support (which features the Twilight Princess trailer music playing whenever some jerkoff tells me that the Wii has parental controls over and over) and now I gotta week a week or "4-10 business days" for this crap?

I believed in you, Nintendo. I sold all my other consoles in your name and to play your games. My reward is having to send my Wii to you for the second damn time? Am I going to have to return this fucking thing once a year? C'mon, guys. You can do better than that.

Christoph

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dirtybacon — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:20:36 MDT

@moviebob: All I do is press up... using Nunchuck/wand combo.

We need a poll for people to vote on best control use. I have all the controllers I need, but not sure I am happy with chuck/wand combo... I'd like to get a concensus on how everyone else does it.

dirtybacon

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dirtybacon — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:14:46 MDT

So far, no problem playing the game... alone.

Couldn't get online, the game says waiting for others... then boots me. I know my wireless works, and nothing else is using it. frustrating...

dirtybacon

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Jomo7 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:56:28 MDT

@Jamaces: Sorry, I forgot it's wrong to expect a game to go through testing and work for me. I guess I can understand paying 50 USD to have issues

/sarcasm

Personally my game works fine, but I feel for the people who bought the game and now have to wait for Nintendo to do this fix.

Jomo7

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Superdupermario — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:42:31 MDT

mario is my fan hes cool but sometimes hes gay but i still like mario and hes kinda funny he swaers some times. mario vs sonic alot of times mario wins mario vs luigi tie you pick the winner or mario vs wario mario wins realey.

Superdupermario

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DaiMacculate — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:29:07 MDT

@DaiMacculate: When I said "People" in that post I meant "corporations that manufacture the DVD component" ;)

DaiMacculate

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DaiMacculate — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:28:08 MDT

@kubevubin: Heh, that widescreen thing does sound annoying. What model/Manufacturer of TV, if you don't mind me asking? With the exception of some noticeable jagging from upscaling (my TV doesn't have a 480p native mode) in some games I haven't had any real annoyances yet, knock on wood.

Like I posted on page 1 though, mine is a Launch Day Wii, so unless its determined that they just made the launch ones spiff and then went cheap on every subsequent shipment I would guess more like early-mid 2007 is when the "cheap" and "defective" drives might have gone in, since thats when the clamor and demand was getting really bad, Nintendo supply constraint conspiracy theories were the order of the day, etc.

I just hope Nintendo corrects it going forward; if I/Torgen are right and Asterra is wrong about DVD9 (could go either way) games in the future I don't want this to become a regular fixture of Wii posts on Kotaku ;)

DaiMacculate

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kubevubin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:02:12 MDT

@DaiMacculate: Of course. And Nintendo sure isn't gonna admit that low-grade components were used in older versions of Wii (which is sad, considering how freaking overpriced it was - and still is). I own a Wii, but I really don't feel as though Nintendo is terribly honest about its "repairs" process. They seem to have made some mistakes in planning this console, and they offer simply services such as this to cover it up.

I'm probably gonna come off as crazy, but I know for a fact that my Wii was outputting a widescreen image before sending it out to Nintendo for repairs. I realize that it is and always has been anamorphic widescreen, but I know for a fact that my Wii, not my TV, was doing the actual stretching of the image. Why? Because my television grays out all non-widescreen options whenever a video source is outputting widescreen.

Needless to say, it was driving me crazy that my TV no longer automatically switched to widescreen. This eventually made sense to me, but still strikes me as very annoying. I was playing only MP3C and RE4, so the simple stretching must've been just enough to stress Wii's GPU to the point where it was an issue that needed to be dealt with. I realize that I still get the same image quality if my TV does the stretching, but man...I can't seem to uncover any information about this, and it drives me crazy.

kubevubin

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PGGB — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:48:52 MDT

first i have a basically useless copy of bully, at least until the patch, and now the copy of smash i have coming my way might not work!?! what the F!!!!!

PGGB

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thedap — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:31:24 MDT

Wii's

thedap

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DaiMacculate — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:18:42 MDT

@Asterra: 1) What I actually said was that the drive Nintendo chose to utilize (and/or its manufacturer setting) is of a quality so substandard that its ability to read dual-layer discs - a standard capability of all DVD drives - was compromised to the point of what I would call effective non-usability

Except..mine works fine and so does the other 5 people I know who've bought Brawl. I think its far more likely that just 1 of the no doubt several people making dvd drives for Wiis is the culprit, has anybody torn down an affected Wii yet and compared the drive model to one that works? Until then we now little to nothing about the specific cause of the failure, as you said we're relying on Nintendo for Data at the moment and thats not exactly an unbiased source ;)

DaiMacculate

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:16:19 MDT

@Asterra: Nintendo has an improving relationship with SquareEnix, Bandai-Namco has already announced two RPGs for Wii, and Nintendo themselves bought Monoloth Soft (of Xenosaga and Baten Kaitos fame). One of those three is going to end up making a big RPG for the Wii. Maybe if it would have been a single DVD-9, two DVD-5s in a flapper case would work (although the third parties might be miffed to have to go back and write disc-swapping code). Any bigger than that and we'll see DVD-9s again.

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DaiMacculate — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:16:02 MDT

@Asterra: Get back to me in three years, and if they've released another DL Wii game by then, I owe you a coke.

Does that extend to just Torgen, or everybody on Kotaku who thinks you're completely wrong about this? Because if it ain't just Torgen, I'd be stocking up on Coke Points or Gift Certificates or whatever now, there WILL be another DL Wii game in the next 3 years, there won't be a ton but there will be at least one at some point.

As others have noted the PS2 had similar issues in its first couple hardware revs, yet many of the later PS2 games used DVD9, I can't imagine Nintendo letting 3% or less of its ever-growing userbase dictate what games it releases and how.

DaiMacculate

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Asterra — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:13:17 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": I don't think I have to spell it out for you; rather, I believe the show of obstinance is an effort to stick to your guns. So be it. I'm confident that most people will also be able to read between the lines. My "claims," as you choose to label them, were obviously stated in the spirit of a typical blog talkback, but they were, I submit, logical conclusions:

1) What I actually said was that the drive Nintendo chose to utilize (and/or its manufacturer setting) is of a quality so substandard that its ability to read dual-layer discs - a standard capability of all DVD drives - was compromised to the point of what I would call effective non-usability.

2) No more DVD9 games will be made. I did state this. SSBB is proving to be an expensive ordeal for Nintendo, despite _everything_ in Nintendo's power to minimize the issue, including a unique pressing in gold. Ultimately, what's taking up most of the disc is FMV, which could easily have been largely rendered in realtime for a lesser visual impact but obviously a complete circumvention of the issue. Now, in spite of the fair odds that Nintendo will henceforth be manufacturing Wiis that are 100% capable of dealing with DL discs, that doesn't change the fact that if they release another DL game, they WILL endure the same consequences. So, tell you what. Get back to me in three years, and if they've released another DL Wii game by then, I owe you a coke.

As for the percentage mentioned in the link I provided, a correction is required: The Nintendo rep was the one who claimed 3%. It doesn't really need mentioning that the softening of ill-tiding data is standard practice and certainly to be expected. Remember, the 360's RRoD issue was once insisted to be a rare phenomenon blown out of proportion by the vocal nature of those affected. It took a long time for some hard data to be exposed, silencing most of the remaining apologists.

Asterra

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Dirk Dorkelson — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:14:39 MDT

Well, I got home and tried it out for about 15 mins (before getting sucked back into Culdcept Saga). Seemed to work OK. (Breathes sigh of relief.)

Dirk Dorkelson

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:33:21 MDT

@nzapster: Asterra's link claims 3%.

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nzapster — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:09:34 MDT

What exactly are the numbers of Wii owners experiencing this? I am In NZ and patiently awaiting Brawl... I do not want this to happen to my console!!! How do you avoid it?

nzapster

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kobra92683 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:23:50 MDT

I got mine on Sunday and had that error. I tried updating the Wii and still didn't work. I took it back and got a new one and worked fine since than. So it just might be the game. At least for me it was.

kobra92683

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Kum0 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:17:53 MDT

Haha the Wii version of the 3 RROD!

Whats worse its only one game that any hardcore Nintendo fanboy would want while the 360 just breaks and makes all games useless :P

Kum0

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karl_hungus — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:58:39 MDT

man, went to the store and picked up some canned air...didnt do the trick. i was looking at some lens cleaners when i was at the store, but i didnt pick one up, recalling that i had an old one at home. tried that, didnt work...

kind of sucks, it wouldnt have bothered me if i hadnt read about people getting theirs to work...oh well, at least ill get a warranty out of the deal, mine was up.

karl_hungus

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:51:27 MDT

@Asterra: That doesn't establish that the Wii's drive wasn't meant to handle dual layer discs, or that no future Wii game will ever use a dual layer disc again, both of which were claimed by you.
If you have to send in your Wii for cleaning, and when you get it back you put it in the same place it got dirty before, yeah it's going to get dirty again. Or they could just clean it for you again the next time.
And it's not like they sent Wiis back unrepaired if the reason it wasn't reading the disc wasn't needing cleaning, even though the warranty is only 1 year.
Weren't retailers giving buyers a flyer explaining the 'cleaning'? So it's hard to see someone not knowing.

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Giantsonic — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:21:12 MDT

Well, my launch Wii works fine with it (but theres no smoking where I live) The only thing weird is it took about 2 mins for it to start the intro after the update finished. Hasn't done that again though.

Giantsonic

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Asterra — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:56:44 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": You seem to like references. See: [www.destructoid.com] There is a revelation, straight from a Japanese employee, that the most severe "cleaning" operations involve drive modification or replacement. Since we already know what the difference is between SSBB and the hundreds of games that don't engender readability issues, it's not too difficult to put two and two together. The author also brings up an epiphanic point: If the issue is a dirty lens - ostensibly due to cigarette smoke but in any event a matter of the user's living conditions - does Nintendo's lens-cleaning operation include the magical ability to prevent the lens from ever requiring another send-in cleaning? A careful consideration of that question should enable some easy conclusions.

Also, the target consumer of an individual game on the Wii does not come into play in this case (and in general, for that matter); if it has Mario in the title, it's going to sell, regardless of its actual meritability (see: Sonic & Mario). If it has Pikachu on the cover, bonus. If it is conspicuously packaged with a peripheral, extra bonus. If Timmy knows darn well that it's the biggest game his Wii will ever have, he will make sure Mommy knows.

Asterra

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mexicantvdinner — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:26:04 MDT

226 comments apparently equals "widespread issues," despite not everyone commenting having the problem.

Even if we assumed all 226 were having the problem and divided that by the sheer number of preorders of the game (not counting those who picked it up on the fly), that still sounds like an acceptable ratio to me.

mexicantvdinner

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moviebob — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:13:38 MDT

Alright... this is going to be the dumbest thing I've EVER had to ask about being "stuck" in a game... but A.) I figured here would get the fastest/most-reliable responses possible and B.) NOW I'm worried the problem might be these issues and not just me being a dumbass.

So, here goes...

What button/button-combo is supposed to make the doors open in "Subspace Emissary" mode? I'm up to the very first part where you're Pit, and got to the very first door and I can't for the life of me make him go THROUGH the fucking thing. Pretty sure I pushed every button and/or sequence (I'm using the single remote sideways w/no nunchuck method, buttons reconfigured to roughly the setup of an NES default mode) and he just won't open the door. Am I missing something stupidly obvious or is my copy possible flawed?

ANY help would be appreciated.

moviebob

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mackincheese — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:08:20 MDT

@RevDenton: I have memories of sending in my cube...two times, for various reasons. Neither of which were abuse; I take care of my systems. Your lucky, sir.

mackincheese

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Umandsf — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:47:52 MDT

No problems here, other than me being unable to pull myself away to do schoolwork.

Umandsf

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Belias — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:37:18 MDT

I have a very weird issue, my Wii recognizes the game, it even appears on the Wii Menu and I installed the update and everything... BUT, when I select start to start the game (you got the point), the screen goes BLACK... and it stays black forever. Anybody getting this error too? There is a video on Youtube of someone else who gets the same error, which is weird because it reads any other game and I don't think that the lens is dusty -it may be though, my town is a very dusty one -

Belias

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VeeKaChu — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:31:26 MDT

@karl_hungus:
[www.memorex.com]

^^^^^ This worked for me ^^^^^^

Inserted/ejected it about 6 times, it's been fine since. This is on a launch day Wii, in a house with 4 smokers.

I haven't read any of the arguments against using one of these, but I guess some people are saying they won't work. But it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't; just because the actual DVD or CD track that leads the lens to the disc's brushes doesn't get "played" (you'll get the identical "Disc cannot be read" message as you get with SSBB failure), I think the brushes still go over the lense as it tracks on insertion, looking for something to play. I inserted/ejected it 5-6 times, and since then SSBB has worked flawlessly.

Risk of damage to the console is probably zero, the brushes are the slightest rubber nubs.

I predict we will see 3rd party Wii specific lens cleaners shortly, if not an official NOA version as more people report that this or something similar worked for them. It's actually surprising there's not one already...

VeeKaChu

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2NinjasTapedTogether — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:27:30 MDT

Well... Mine works fine. Played some SSE and a couple free for alls. Feels different. But good, definitely good.

2NinjasTapedTogether

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:21:15 MDT

@Asterra: Was it well established that the Wii's drive wasn't intended to read dual-layer discs? When, and by whom?
The non-hardcore Wii consumer isn't the target Smash consumer.

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Quismod — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:07:28 MDT

bah, my only solution is to go bring my copy of Brawl to my friends house and play it on his Wii

Quismod

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paulmcg — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:03:49 MDT

I'd expect there aren't that many Wii affected by this as a percentage.

However because there are a lot of them out there and this is the first game that will expose the problem you will suddenly see a largish (numerically, not proportionally) spike in problem reports even though the problem has really occured over a multi-year period.

paulmcg

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shortybuff — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:53:12 MDT

thats RIGHT THIS THING'S WITH THE PAPERTOWEL WORKS !!!!!!! THANKS """CapnSpank""" HALLA AT YOUR NORTH SIDER BOY FROM THE HOOD OF MPLS,MN 55411 ::CHURCH::

CapnSpank: No. My nephew's Wii + Paper Towel confirms conclusively that a sensitve / dusty laser *is* the issue. His is from just before Christmas, 2006. It was more than a month after launch

shortybuff

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Asterra — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:15:27 MDT

@Shukaku: Loading slow, or FMV that skips, are symptomatic of data that is being read only by the grace of media data redundancy and/or many-fold attempts, on the part of the drive, to successfully read the disc. It is very well-established at this stage that the Wii's drive was not calculated to ever need to make use of a dual-layer DVD. What probably happened is the game was developed without this fact really having been underscored, and, when things got too far along to go back, it was decided that they would use gold in the pressing and hope for the best.

The issue was big enough in Japan, but it's really going to become a scandal in the US, because the target Wii consumer is not the sort of person who knows how to deal with the scenario where a game simply doesn't work, nor does the replacement from the store, nor does the second replacement. A more worldly individual (a gamer) would have a better chance of either realizing what's wrong or at least knowing that there's probably a better solution than hoping a replacement game will work. That's what will cause this problem to explode in the news media.

Asterra

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Lstormy10 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:02:50 MDT

Thank god this did not happen to me.

But, one of my friends that bought the game had this happen...

Oh well, time to get back to Super Smash Bros Brawl! :)

Lstormy10

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DiscipleofJamzy — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:02:10 MDT

I really didn't have the money, or the time for Smash Brothers this week. Yet the internet horror stories scared me into buying it today, to establish whether my Wii can deal with two-layered DVD's. Everything except joining random online games is working great thus far.

Damn you internets! Spooking me into buying fun games!

DiscipleofJamzy

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crazyorloco — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:57:42 MDT

Mine works. I love this game.

crazyorloco

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Toprem — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:47:22 MDT

@iamspoo: My first generation PS2 works fine, only trouble I had with it was DVDs years down the road before I got a computer and started watching them there. The only time I ever had to open it was to get it to read the blue back internet connection disc (which I ended up never using >< go go wasting money).

Toprem

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globones — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:44:02 MDT

@ SnakeCL:

dollar-store laser pointers with the pot leaf and naked lady attachments.

globones

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Toprem — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:39:05 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": Whoa, wait, what? The Wii doesn't even have the ability to play CDs (not that I would use a console for it)? Ahahahahahah

Toprem

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Shukaku — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:27:16 MDT

My copy of Brawl "works," but is it supposed to load a little slow. I'm not bitching or anything, I was just curious if the load time was a little slow for you guys as well - feed back much appreciated.

Shukaku

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Shaoko — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:12:34 MDT

@SnakeCL: XBOX 360 was sent out flawed, and Sony will make you pay a lot to clean your PS3 of dust... it was a warranty void... At least Nintendo is doing the service for free...

My copy works just fine!

Shaoko

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polishoperative — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:02:05 MDT

I am not a smoker and my house is clean, but i have a launch Wii. Can you post a poll? I'm curious how widespread this issue is. I was so angry when this happened.

polishoperative

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WtchDktr — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:57:07 MDT

oh i hope it works, I can't send mine for repair.
nintendo would get mad at me.

WtchDktr

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Mezodon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:45:24 MDT

Mine works fine for the first two and a half hours. But why they left out the use of the Wii remote as a pointer for the menus is a mystery. Moving a cursor with an analog stick seems so archaic after coming off of a few playthroughs of Corruption.

The game seems alright so far... I'm kind of underwhelmed by it so far, just as I was with Melee to begin with. I need to get used to it... easy CPU opponents are proving way more challenging than they should.

Mezodon

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DaiMacculate — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:42:38 MDT

@SSOOCH: More Characters and a bunch of other stuff? Might want to go look at smashbros.com for the full list.

What's the difference between SF2 and SSF2T HD Remix? Similar question.

DaiMacculate

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DeathCrypt — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:42:22 MDT

i keep mine in a drawer type thing does that increase or decrease my chance for it o work? SOMEBODY please help me WAHHHH!

DeathCrypt

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Kuroh — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:40:05 MDT

I feel sorry for the people who are affected by this but dont let this cloud your judgement Brawl is sick im unfortunately addicted. By unfortunate i mean I won't be able to sleep.

Kuroh

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karl_hungus — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:35:39 MDT

man...i wasnt planning on getting brawl at launch, but my girlfriend surprised me and pre ordered it for me for my birthday, which is tomorrow. picked it up a couple of hours ago...

launch day wii, never sent in for repairs, nothing.

tried blowing in it, tried the paper towel, tried laying it on its side...nothing is working. i was really excited to play this, especially it being so cool of my girlfriend to preorder it for me, i wanted to teach her how to play smash bros...

this sucks, anyone else have any other suggestions/fixes besides sending it in?

karl_hungus

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BlindedFTW — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:33:25 MDT

wait, people actually smoke in their house? :|

BlindedFTW

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NeoAkira — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:30:01 MDT

@Asterra:

Ah the old "kiddie graphics=crappy games" argument.

I'm glad you didn't hide that fact that you're trolling

NeoAkira

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aaa — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:12:36 MDT

Let's see my launch Wii is working perfectly fine with Brawl, my 60gb PS3 I bought used will overheat if I don't stand it upright and my launch 360, now in full possession of my brother, has RRoD'd twice.

As long as you aren't smoking next to your Wii and you keep it two feet off the ground you should be fine.

I'm more concerned with why I can't play online :( sad panda...

aaa

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SSOOCH — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:59:14 MDT

I have a launch day console and mine didn't work at first, but after I checked for a system update, found one and applied it, it now works! But now I wish it didn't. What's the difference between this and the old Smash Bros? Anybody?

SSOOCH

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dawimp523 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:56:42 MDT

My copy works just fine, but I can't play any online games! Yet, I can watch other people playing! Come to think of it, none of my online games work that often, and the Internet channel is sooooooooooooo slow, yet our wi-fi works just fine.

dawimp523

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pinoy78 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:56:22 MDT

I've had my Wii since launch and Brawl works just fine with it. Terribly sorry for the others folks that're getting DRE's.

pinoy78

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zingbot — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:53:55 MDT

@Bennyc46: AMAZING! This totally worked for me. It was vertiacal and didn't work. Horizontal it did.

Thanks.

zingbot

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blacksamurai87 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:51:09 MDT

12 hours logged. This game's got some polish.

I'm... sorry for you smokers out there. It's really what you deserve for making us non-smokers inhale all your bullshit in restaurants, bars and clubs. And when you're walking on the street, pricks. Take that smoke and shove it up your ass!

Long history of smokers in my family = animosity

blacksamurai87

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Aprotosis — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:48:57 MDT

Wow. This is stinking like the RRoD issue. When that was first reported there were not as many kotaku posts of people claiming to suffer it for a while. So you could start figuring percent of population based on kotaku density. Seems like every other person I know is suffering from this. Why hasn't there been a mob formed to march on Nintendo HQ?

oh wait that's right, Nintendo's sh*t don't stink. Here's hoping all you guys suffering from this don't have to wait too long to get your console back and get your's in before the rush slows down their processing center.

Aprotosis

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Toprem — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:46:39 MDT

Jesus Christ in a chicken basket the Wii is such an underpowered piece of shit system.

Toprem

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PlasmaMachine — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:44:56 MDT

Funny... The almighty Wii done in by dust. I should talk though, my first one crapped out like the Graphics card was overheating or something.. So far so good with SSBB though!

What a mess:

PlasmaMachine

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Dirk Dorkelson — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:16:33 MDT

@xgenius: I think you may be right. I had some disc-read errors trying to play No More Heroes a few weeks ago. I eventually got it to work, but I'm hoping my copy of Brawl works when I pop it into the drive tonight. Ironically, my launch Xbox 360 lasted until April '07 before red-ringing on me.

Dirk Dorkelson

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kupoporo — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:14:16 MDT

Whoa, not cool. Thank God my boyfriend's Brawl is working just fine ... though it did take a while to load. I'll have to give him the heads up.

kupoporo

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Saint Anima — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:11:20 MDT

Yay. Just popped mine in and it's fine. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

Saint Anima

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Bobby McPresscott — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:09:38 MDT

The Wii is sensitive machine.

On launch my Wii's online didn't work. Someone on IGN told me to use the format system memory option to "fix" it and it "did".

I can only assume that in the process it got reverted to some weird default state. I was able to access the Wii shop, but quickly discovered my account had fused with someone else's...? I had more points than I put in, and when I checked the history I found purchases for games and I was able to download them with a few clicks. This mysterious stranger and I had access to each other's points and games, which was bitching because that's the only way I ever would have played the very awesome Wario's Woods.

Somehow Nintendo noticed this though and shut my online down and I had to get a new Wii shipped to me. I did get a free Wiimote out of the hassle, so in retrospect it worked out, but it was my first lesson in just how thin the Wii's construction is. You might use the playing card simile featured in My cousin Vinny. It looks solid for what it is but if you're fortune/unlucky enough to see the right angle you realize everything could fall apart at any minute in any random way.

This is just a more predictable variant of that. Probably has to do with the fact that the DVD drive is always open to particles unlike the 360 or PS3. Or maybe even Nintendo being inexperience with dual layer, maybe they burnt it in a way not conducive to efficient reading. Who knows, I have as much respect for Nintendo as I have laughs at their incompetence in many of the more technical areas.

Never forget that the NES was infinitely less consistent than the Wii though. Really the only difference here is that it is much harder for the Wii to get too dirty to read a game in the first place, but once it gets to that point it isn't necessarily as simple as blowing in the slot to clear the particles.

Although, if your system already won't play Smash Brothers and it is a choice between DIY and waiting on Nintendo, I'd say a little blow job on the slot couldn't hurt.

Bobby McPresscott

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idkmybffgreg — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:50:11 MDT

This really sucks for those people. Maybe they'd feel better if they knew how much incredible, unbelievable fun I'm having with it.

idkmybffgreg

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:33:15 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": better to have it work after six times then sitting at home scratching your ass trying to figure out why you had to be the lucky slob to have the gimped Wii.

Personally, I'm having serious network issues. Everyone must be online now even though I can't find any matches now and keep getting a network error 85010. I've had two matches run lag free out of maybe 10 and I had one spectator match run lag free. So far, the SSBB online experience has been...how can I put this....fucking terrible.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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marmidukestank — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:32:57 MDT

My Wii wouldn't recognise Metroid Prime 2: Echoes for a long time, until one day it did and had no problems after that.
I still don't know what the hell happened.

marmidukestank

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:28:49 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: The way it's supposed to work is you put the cleaning disc in once and it spins it enough in a single cycle to get the job done. Having to put it in six times (with it trying and failing to read it each time) is a little ad-hoc, but apparently it does the trick. That said, don't cleaning discs usually use the whole disc? If the Wii is trying and failing to read it, it's probably just looking at the start of the disc, which means the cleaning bristles there are getting overused, while the ones further out aren't getting used at all.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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MURDERFACE — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:22:57 MDT

I got no problems here right now i have already been playing for 13 hours so far it's insane. But it allways seems like nobody is playing online. I have to wait until all my buddies get off work so we can see how good or bad the online free for all or team battles are going to be on this thing.

MURDERFACE

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RatedXXX — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:20:02 MDT

I had trouble with my copy of SSB. So i went to get a lens cleaner. It didn't really work but i kept trying and finally SSB worked. WTF? Anyways been playing for about 4hrs and I'm afraid to turn off my Wii. Damn you Nintendo!!

RatedXXX

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Gentleben-Nintendo Club Star Whore — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:19:37 MDT

Lots of bitching going on here in Nintendos Direction.

I find the whole situtation kinda funny to be honest. It's karma for Nintendo of Europe getting screwed over.

Gentleben-Nintendo Club Star Whore

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xot — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:15:28 MDT

DO NOT blast your Wii with canned air unless your mission is to break it.

xot

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Demaar — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:12:32 MDT

Wow, this is super lame. Considering I have an imported Wii, I think I'll just avoid the whole issue and not buy the game.

Demaar

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cybereality — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:10:51 MDT

Come on people, Dual-Layer DVDs are so last-gen technology. Who really needs storage space when the Wii has great gameplay?

cybereality

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2NinjasTapedTogether — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:01:06 MDT

I'm sad that I don't even know if Brawl will work on my Wii... Stupid work keeping me from playing teh stupid game I've been wanted to play for stupid years...

Well... If my Wii can't play it... I'm sure my Vii can!

[kotaku.com]

2NinjasTapedTogether

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Onizuka-GTO — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:54:42 MDT

double disc? so SSMB is actually on a 8GB -something disc?

never knew my wii was so talented! :P
well it's reassuring to know, you don't have to pay for ANYTHING.

And not worry about things getting wiped, or if they did....you can get it back again!

Love Nintendo hardware after service, oh and the fact i've never used it except to get lots of freebie wrist straps and wii-condoms. :)

Onizuka-GTO

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zanzibarlegend — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:50:58 MDT

@valhum: agreed. i dont mod shit nowadays. the last thing i ever modded was a ps1 to play dbz import games. i dont fuck wit my iphone,mac,ps3,psp,and my wii for that matter. if it aint broke, dont mod it :D

zanzibarlegend

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lumpy108 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:50:56 MDT

this didnt happen to me which is good

lumpy108

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bigkatninja — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:45:32 MDT

word

bigkatninja

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:43:57 MDT

@VeeKaChu: So a DVD/CD cleaner worked...? Then what the hell are those other guys talking about?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:37:54 MDT

@Rebelphoenix83: similar solution... I could have swore I mentioned "similar solution" in that post. Why are you people not understanding what is being asked? what part of fucking "similar solution" do you not understand? Maybe I should have said "alternative" instead? Would you understand that? Or maybe...instead of similar solution I should have said "use water, go rape yourself, sucks to be you." Flame bait retarded comments would have been understood I guess...oh well...

@freakotaku14: thanks for providing us with an alternative to the oh-so-gay method of sending the Wii to Nintendo. I don't give a rat's ass what Nintendo says, there has to be an easier solution to cleaning the lens without sending it back. It's a cheap ass Wii not a uber console like the PS3 that's pushing blu-ray. It has a gimped DVD-9 drive. Why would "special equipment" be needed to clean the lens? If this happened to me I'd make with the canned air and hit some forums for a better solution than shipping and handling.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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bigkatninja — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:35:55 MDT

i got smash today and it worked fine but my friend which wii is older it did not work all he did and all you have to do is go to system update and update your wii then after that put smash back in and there in the box where it shows the disc there will be another update click it and three seconds later your playing smash this works

bigkatninja

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Booji-Boy — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:32:50 MDT

Working fine here. The wife and I have logged many hours in online matches, classic mode and subspace missions. :)

Booji-Boy

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valhum — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:32:19 MDT

@FinalFettuccinni: Yeah, the guy i just mentioned had a problem with his modded Wii. That is why i never mess with my things :oP

valhum

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valhum — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:31:11 MDT

Some buddy told me that he cannot play Brawl because he had his Wii modded with some thingy, don't remember the name.

Mine is working perfectly fine xD

valhum

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FinalFettuccinni — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:28:58 MDT

Old news is ooooooooooooooooold.

Just update your system.

If it still doesn't work, it's probably because you're smoking or your Wii is dusty. Nintendo will probably set up a free Wii fixing-service like they did in Japan for consoles plagued with that problem. Dusty/smoky Wiis have a harder time reading dual-layered discs, and modded Wiis will especially have trouble sometimes.

FinalFettuccinni

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:27:54 MDT

@MantisDragon: okay, granted, but I'll say this...I haven't had any problems playing SSBB offline. It runs dandy on my Wii, but online is a different story. The game is lagalisious. I haven't gotten a lag free game yet and I've been booted off the network twice. What the hell man, I'm about to say to hell with it and go back to warhawk.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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VeeKaChu — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:22:15 MDT

I have a launch day Wii, and three smokers in the house. I tried canned air, washing the disc with both cold/warm/mildly soapy water, re-orienting the Wii horizontally, intercooler, and finally it worked after this- [www.memorex.com]

I inserted it six or so times (listening for spinning in each case, though of course the Wii reported "Cannot read..."), and after that the first time I inserted SSBB it was fine. Been working ever since, for about three hours now.

Sorry if this is a re-iteration of previous posts, dinna read through them all, just wanted to give a head's up on what's worked.

VeeKaChu

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NotNormal23224 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:22:00 MDT

@apu95: My launch Wii runs SSB Brawl just fine too. I must be an odd duck since I've not had any problems with it or my launch 360. I must have some good magic on my side.

NotNormal23224

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Torokun — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:11:28 MDT

Just picked up my copy and it freezes frequently while playing movies... (every one of them)

Gamestop says they can't exchange it for a new copy since they don't have any more copies in stock...

I am going to call Nintendo and see what they have to say.

Torokun

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Quine — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:03:30 MDT

Mine works. and holy crap SSBB rocks.

Quine

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somarix — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:42:33 MDT

@relax_guy: @skullivan: That's a better explanation/assumption of what really happens imho.
Here, 1-2 packs of cigs are smoked (family/friends) right next to the PS2. And still plays dual-layer games perfectly. [2 yrs-old slim ps2]
But anyway they can make that site for one hour or faster.

somarix

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Anemone — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:31:29 MDT

I'm glad that mine worked, that would have been the last straw. My current Wii would be firmly affixed to a wall by way of pickaxe while I went about finding a new one to play Brawl on.

Anemone

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freakotaku14 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:25:12 MDT

Mine was giving my a read error...and so I tried Ichinisan's nephew's method figuring even if it made it worse I'd just send it in to Nintendo...and at first it just brought up the Smash logo thing on the Wii menu and when i tried to play it kicked me back to the menu with a read error. Then i stuck the paper towel in again and tried it once more...and it works fine now, lol. Although canned Air sounds like a much better alternative...

freakotaku14

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Rebelphoenix83 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:24:15 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Have you ever bothered to look at the dvd drive of the wii, that brush on the inside would crush most dvd lense cleaners.

Rebelphoenix83

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manicfoot — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:21:10 MDT

Eugh... If this is something that ends up affecting most Wii's then I'm going to be really annoyed with Ninty. Their hardware is normally so reliable. How could a company who has been in this business for over 20 years give their system a lense so crappy it struggles to read dual-layered DVD's? Disgraceful.

manicfoot

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DaiMacculate — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:20:35 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": Heh, agreed that would be the more specific account of my "problems" with Windwaker.

I've argued many times that if the game hadn't been a Zelda game it would have been better received, half the problem people had with it was just that it broke their highly trained expectations for waht a Zelda game would contain. Hence TP being the most ZELDA-y of all the recent titles, I think a time traveling NES owner from the early 90s would concur it was most recognizable to the first two games ;)

DaiMacculate

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Donutt007 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:17:18 MDT

Just picked up my copy...works fine. I got my system about 3 weeks after launch

Donutt007

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CapnSpank — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:16:48 MDT

@Ichinisan: Mine is a launch day one wii.@Sailorcancer: There is a dirty little secret about DVD9s on the PS2s. The first few systems in the series can't handle the DVD9 discs.

CapnSpank

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:13:32 MDT

@Asterra: I never once thought that a different art style would make me like Wind Waker better. (Or worse.)

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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dude49 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:09:27 MDT

Works perfectly for me!

dude49

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Shadowcast — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:08:52 MDT

Well, if you live in Europe you can't play Brawl at all.

Shadowcast

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Rebelphoenix83 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:08:41 MDT

This was a known issue. It happened in Japan as well. Move along, nothing to see here.

Rebelphoenix83

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:07:36 MDT

@DaiMacculate: I don't think the problem was even the sailing, per se. It was the sailing to dungeon ratio.

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Green-clad Gamer Dude — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:06:03 MDT

@hawk3r: Good thing you're not just another mindless troll either.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

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zanzibarlegend — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:05:39 MDT

@Asterra: good point, after kart what really is there? they better start rolling out fzero,starfox,etc
@Ichinisan: ebgames in the bronx usually fucks it up. the one in manhattan 34th street is usually on point.i hear what u say though.
@blacksamurai87: stop showin off dude! not cool

zanzibarlegend

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Asterra — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:03:11 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60":See below.

@NeoAkira:Take the spectacles off, friend. You may not say it in public, but there's no doubt in my mind that most people, myself included, would have liked Windwaker better if it had been in the style Nintendo had originally stipulated earlier on with their famous Link vs. Ganon duel footage. It was a famous letdown, and TP was widely regarded as a merciful return (of sorts) to what most people wanted. Try not to have such a kneejerk reaction to anything perceptibly anti-Nintendo.

Asterra

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Zyzex_Remix — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:00:46 MDT

It's normally to hear my Wii working loudly to play the game though right?

Zyzex_Remix

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DaiMacculate — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:58:47 MDT

@HAGE: I find it funny too because while I put Windwaker at the bottom of my list of 3D Zelda games it has absolutely nothing to do with the art style/design, which was in fact excellent. I wouldn't mind if they went back to it for the next one, as long as I don't have to sail anywhere extensively I'll be fine ;)

Anybody wonder if this Smash problem is at all a factor of the incredible demand for the Wii worldwide? I say that not to excuse the issue, because as a 360 owner I'm about at my breaking point with any hardware quality issues, but that could be an explanation. It might be one manufacturer among the no doubt several that bid to put drives in the Wii, etc etc.

This is yet another reason Nintendo needs to "open" the USB ports, imagine if the temporary fix was just to plug in an external DVD and run the game from there. I'm sure it would take some work to get working that easily, but yeah. That and I shouldn't have to erase 2 N64 VC games just to make room for a Brawl save file, give me some type of USB memory expansion, even if its just an overpriced dongle.

Unlike some fellow 360 owners who just shrug and make the (in)appropriate animal sacrifice to the dark lords of XBL every time somebody has a RRoD or other 360 hardware problem that doesn't yet affect them, I extend my deepest sympathies and condolences to those affected by this problem. Hope it gets fixed quickly and remains fixed, rather than becoming a huge ongoing debacle involving future Wii games as well.

DaiMacculate

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MantisDragon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:57:54 MDT

@azzybish: If the drives could only read single layer DVDs then none of us would be playing it. I for one am happily playing Brawl on my launch day console.

MantisDragon

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HAGE — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:53:06 MDT

Seriously, the Wind Waker hate has amused me for a long time. Wind Waker remains one of the most graphically impressive titles I've ever seen from an art direction standpoint, I love the natural recoil against it, because if every game had that much care and work put into the final visual product, I'd be a happy camper.

HAGE

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NeoAkira — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:50:44 MDT

@Asterra:

I had no idea that Disney used cell-shading in their animations. What an astute observation on your part. Care to divulge anymore of your omnipotent knowledge on why and how Nintendo's franchises are unlikable?

NeoAkira

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BrotherNick — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:50:34 MDT

Hehe, I just opened my wii and blew into the cd lens area...make sure not to get any saliva down there and you're fine lol. Do realize it takes away your warranty. :P

BrotherNick

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MasterBalls — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:45:04 MDT

If I have to wait two years to get Brawl and find it doesn't work, somebody's going to die.
Myself and my brother will don Roy + Marth costumes, catch the next flight to Japan and FIND SAKURAI.

MasterBalls

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:40:29 MDT

@Asterra: I don't know why another Zelda in the Wind Waker style has you worried, or why it would be patently unlikable.

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azzybish — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:38:04 MDT

They had to have traded off some quality for the ridiculous price of the Wii - even if it is only marginally better than the GC, there was new hardware which hadn't been done before.

I suspect that it is that the drive can only read Single Layer DVD's and this is an excuse to avoid lawsuits etc. The demand at launch and after could have required some spare's to be brought in.

I guess the only way is to permanent marker your wii when you send it in, and see if any of it magically disappears.

azzybish

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darthmole12 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:34:39 MDT

You know, this is sort of just a design flaw with having a slot drive instead of a standard one that gets covered up. I can see dust and garbage such getting in there, especially if you smoke.

@guntherpark: Smash is (I believe) the only game right now that uses a dual layer DVD, so that's why you aren't having any issues with other games.

darthmole12

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RavingRabbid — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:34:38 MDT

My console played Brawl (and did a WFC connection) without a hitch!

RavingRabbid

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Asterra — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:33:42 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": The two Zeldas for Gamecube is one thing that has me worried. Thanks to Miyamoto's vision, Zelda now comes in two flavors: Traditional, and Disney. Although it could be argued that TP was an amalgam of both. Still, if they release another Zelda for Wii, you can bet it will be in the patently unlikable Disney format. My guess, though, is that we won't see another Zelda on Wii, as they already reproduced the Disney style on the DS game.

Metroid was a special case because it's a property Nintendo doesn't care about (not popular in Japan). They let Westerners make the games, and were much looser with the credo of reinvention. That's why MP 1 & 2 (and indeed 3) are essentially identical, while you could never say that about the progression in Mario or Zelda.

I used the term "esoteric" in blanket fashion, covering games which are not largely regarded as Nintendo mainstays, and which certainly never saw the biggest sales. I don't think it could be argued that F-Zero GC was a triple-A title.

Asterra

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Ichinisan — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:31:31 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: You probably haven't seen the PS3 teardown videos. The actual component for the PS3's slot-loading drive is several times bigger than the Wii's. Also, it plays CD's and DVD's, so the lense cleaners designed for those will operate. Not so on the Wii. The drive is much too small, and there is no CD / DVD support.

Ichinisan

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Sicrowell — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:26:31 MDT

I have a launch Wii and brawl runs fine... perhaps too fine.

Sicrowell

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:25:39 MDT

@Asterra: Oh, and there hasn't been a Star Fox for Wii either.

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Ichinisan — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:25:38 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: As I said, because the Wii doesn't play audio discs, you won't be able to tell the actuator to move to the part of the disc with the brushes. Also, the ultra-small slot-loading drive was one of the first of its kind to accept either size disc. It was engineered with strict size constraints. I wouldn't be surprised if a brush would get snagged, or the bristles broken, resulting in further problems.

Ichinisan

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:21:37 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": There were two Zeldas for N64, for that matter.

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:16:16 MDT

@Asterra: There were two Zeldas for Cube, not even counting Four Swords. Also, two Metroids for Cube and GBA. I'm not sure I'd call F-Zero esoteric. Plus, we know Disaster is still in the pipeline.

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Ichinisan — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:15:47 MDT

@chinesedentist: It is the mod chip's fault. It doesn't recognize a legit DL disc, so it doesn't deactivate itself. A simple update to the chip would fix it, but some chip manufacturers are lazy, and others were never updateable.

Ichinisan

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blacksamurai87 — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:10:43 MDT

Launch console and 10 hours logged on SSBB, bitches!

blacksamurai87

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MantisDragon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:10:32 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: You're missing the point. There is no way to actually use the lens cleaner once in the drive. The Wii does not play CDs or DVD movies... without that capability a store bought lens cleaner is pretty useless.

MantisDragon

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Ichinisan — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:09:02 MDT

@zanzibarlegend: Wow. That's crazy. I saw a lot of people get turned away from ebgames last night, leaving empty-handed. I'm surprised that people don't know how ebgames / Gamestop engineers shortages. I went over to WalMart (open 24/7) and picked up my nephew's copy with no hassles at all. Sheesh.

Ichinisan

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Asterra — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:08:48 MDT

@zanzibarlegend: I'll tell you one thing it does mean: There will be NO MORE (first party) DVD9 games for Wii. If that means the games will remain content-sparse, tough.

On the other hand.. after Mario Kart, what is left? Nintendo would have to break tradition and release TWO games covering the same property, if they plan to have any more big titles before the Wii is dead. And I don't count Pikmin, F-Zero, or other esoterics.

Asterra

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:05:16 MDT

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Maybe people put their Wii on the floor in the stand, but put their PS3 on a shelf? Plus when you stand the PS3 on the floor its slot is further from the ground than the Wii's.

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MantisDragon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:02:36 MDT

@MantisDragon: *my Wii not why Wii... this is why you don't try to surf 3 sites and post comments on all of them at once!

MantisDragon

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zanzibarlegend — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:01:30 MDT

damn.... first off

to those with non-working SSBB, i feel your pain. nintendo fucked up what should have been a flawless launch of such a great game. mine works luckily so i will count my blessings.

second,
i hope this is not the beginning of a trend in video game launches :(

zanzibarlegend

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:59:41 MDT

@Torgen thinks AAA means "Costs $60": what the fuck man then just get a damn DVD cleaner. What are we talking about here? Nintendo is full of shit if they're telling us that Wii can't handle a simple $5 DVD lens cleaner because of the need for some uber equipment for the swanky lens in the Wii. Sounds suspect when the Wii isn't some gear that sporting the latest in techology. My PS3 has never had this retardo problem and it's slot loading so what's Nintendo's excuse? Could someone please tell us why a DVD lens cleaner wouldn't work or some similar solution?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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MantisDragon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:57:07 MDT

@RevDenton: You should have called up Nintendo the first time you saw it. I never noticed just how bad the GPU in why Wii had gotten until Metroid Prime 3 came out. My Wii had been sitting in an entertainment center next to a 40" LCD that was basiclly a TV/space heater combo. Called up Nintendo, next day I had a UPS sticker to throw on a box, and a week later it was back this time not in the entertainment center.

MantisDragon

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Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live. — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:55:16 MDT

@SpartanQ77: RRoD results in a busted console. This is just a game that isn't working from a dirty lens. Who's the mindless fanboy? People that keep buying or sending in 360 after 360 or the people that actually like Brawl and want it to work?

Give me a break. Brawl is actually the best version of the three in the series. Better animation, better character models, better backgrounds, refined move list, more characters instead of palette swaps (as far as I can tell only a couple hours into it) If you don't like it then just pass and let us that do enjoy it.

Where's the FC brigade?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

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Knoxximus (360/PSN) — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:55:08 MDT

If wanna 'blow out' ur Wii, at least use a can of compressed air to do it. When you blow with you mouth, you inadvertently spray saliva into the slot and onto those sensitive electornics also.

Blowing a bit of compressed air in there won't hurt your system, and just might let you get your Brawl on TODAY.

Knoxximus (360/PSN)