let's drift back to that ol' topic how bout that kiddos

blamemyparents

First of all, surely you did not miss why I said "JS is even better than Java." I said that in the context of whether it's a standard. Java is a brand owned by sun. JavaScript (actually called ECMA Script) is not owned by anyone, it's an official standard. From the standpoint of whether they can be considered standards, JS is better than Java, because it's more of a standard. Obviously, I'm not saying that JS is the better programming language than Java, or anything like that. I'm sure you understood that, so I don't quite understand why you're trying to argue this point with me.

Seriously, I suggest you read what I wrote again. I'm a bit at a loss for words here.

Second, please look up how Java works. Your question about who owns Java would be a fair one, would it not be asked in a post full of profanities. I'm going to explain this to you anyway, though:

- Sun owns the word "Java". They can say whether something can be called "Java."
- Sun does not own the Java implementation. The Java implementation is released under the GNU General Public License. It's open source, nobody owns it; anyone can take it and fork it, or write their own version (and many do, there are other open source versions, Apple has its own version, IBM has its own version)
- Sun manages the specifications, but they don't own them; everyone is free to create their own version of Java with extensions to the Spec, as long as they don't call it Java; and if they adhere to the Spec, they may call it Java

Also, you're seriously misguided when you suggest that "You still need to license it from them to distribute apps you program with it commercially." This is just blatantly false; I find it amusing that you claim I "pretend to be a coder" while at the same time claiming so obviously false and absurd things. It just so happens that I write Java and JS code for a living, so I would probably know if I had to license anything from Sun in order to be able to do so. In reality, you do not need to license Java from Sun or from anyone at all. Java is a free, open source standard, and you can do with it whatever the hell you want.

Which is precisely what differentiates it from Flash. You've still not explained to me why in the world you think Flash is a standard. I suggest that, instead of insulting me, you try actually making your point. So far you're just repeating your inane claim over and over again without showing any kind of evidence. You're not going to convince anyone with that strategy.

L_K_M

Besides, if Sun doesn't own the rights to "Java" and thus the language, who does? Are you kidding me? They own the "brand name" but not the language? WTF?! You still need to license it from them to distribute apps you program with it commercially. HTML etc. are different in that aspect, yes.

Flash. Is. A. Standard. I'm ending it here, have fun with any further ghost responses.

Candlejack

HTML is developed by an open organizations, the same is true for CSS.

No single organization owns JavaScript, HTML or CSS. Sun owns the brand name "Java," but does not own the actual programming language.

Flash is different.

There are no third-party implementations for Flash. Flash is owned by Adobe. Some versions of Flash were published by Adobe, but not fully, and always with restrictions ("The file format specification document is offered only to developers who agree to a license agreement that permits them to use the specifications only to develop programs that can export to the Flash file format," from Wikipedia).

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN CREATE A WEB SITE WITH IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S A STANDARD. Please look up the word "standard."

L_K_M

Candlejack

L

You sure about that? Just because the plug-in doesn't cost you anything to download, it doesn't mean it's free.

Omega Xi

You can design an entire website in Flash. Thus, it is on the same level as HTML/CSS/...

I bet Java/JS is a standard for you though, right? ;)

Candlejack

@gigantor21: People don't buy iPhones for its features, they buy it for the UI. And no, there's no alternative, although the Android UI has some nice ideas, and the new Windows Mobile (the one whose design docs were leaked) looks interesting, too.

@Candlejack: Flash is not a standard. It's a proprietary Adobe format with some (outdated) published specs. It isn't anything like HTML at all.

L_K_M

Bidule

will this be for the iPod Touch, too?

i'm guessing yes, but i needs to know.

presto117

Flash does three things, only one of which is useful for the iphone.

1) banner ads. I would consider the lack of flash a feature.

2) flash games/interactive ads. Cool, but useless on an iphone since it has no mouse hover function anyway.

3)streaming video. OK, the lack of streaming flash video sucks hard, I will give you that.

labrats5

I don't know why, but that sentence tickled me sir, well played. :-)

ManiacFive

"Console" like games on a mobile, decent playing ability, all this might actualy get the West up to the same level as Japan for these.

Kenofthedead

Even the PS3's browser does Flash...albeit a slightly outdated version that doesn't work for every site (;

Candlejack

MrSatan

Evo

Candlejack

Samos42

Dauragon C. Mikado

Rockwallaby

MrSatan

So whilst I have no interest in mortgaging my house to get an iPhone, I hope these games do well, because it might force Sony and Nintendo to start planning new and better systems.

Also, Virtual Console/PSN compatability, please?

V1L3

But I tend to forget that fanboys are fueled by hatorade and idiocy, mostly hatorade... and idiocy :(

zoesch

The Great Aussie Evil

FinalFettuccinni

Hate on it all you want, but the interface is awesome. It is unbelievably intuitive and after having one for less than a month, I don't know how I lived without one. The difference between it and a "normal" cell phone is like comparing DOS Shell to Windows XP.

jslay012

...this is a strange new world we live in.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Superstar90

MrPerson

eboku

gigantor21

*goes back to playing MAME on Palm*

@catapult37: Yes, may it, on the person who summoned it without just cause.

Billkwando

Dauragon C. Mikado

Pointless. I can listen to music & take photos with my (by now dated) K800i. That must have come out like 1-2 years ago. So, yea, I'm part of the "hi iPhone, I don't want or need you, not even want to know about your existence"-crowd. And maddox joins me :)

Candlejack

Dauragon C. Mikado

xgenius

ffmusicdj

sorrry i'm ranting, back to my [INSERT REAL GAMING DEVICE HERE]

iNime

sUKi

Nintenboy01

Nintenboy01

The Acelerometer is a 3 axis one like any other, so it can be incorporated in many things. How complex the graphics can be. I still don't know, but i wouldn't think is gonna be a psp competitor.

I also don't think the iphone/touch are gonna be competing with the DS or PSP. But rather have not such sucky mobile games on it (compared to cell phones).

Falsoman

L_K_M

Man, you can really see gamer brains at work here. "Apple! iPhone! Quick, I must think of something negative to post! No time to think, though!"

L_K_M

Ajay

Milihpen

They won't see this.

Atheist Jew

MJDeviant

streetUK

@Comedy: May the hammer fall swifty and silently. Can't even be bothered to spell "ipod" correctly?

catapult37

greeble

I'd rather have an iPhone for something abstract like making phone calls. No joke. Keep the games on handhelds please. Games on mobiles have always been a huge f*cking waste of time. And they even charged for them, LOL. I sure as shit never paid for those little Java crap-apps and am happy I didn't.

/vent

Candlejack

Zegridathes

Seriosuly, you guys are complaining about real games coming to a handheld you're admittedly not interested in buying? For real? Dorks. Get back to work, what do you think we're paying you for? Sheeit.

multimoog

480x320 screen...

Astrofox

It's amazing this guy didn't choke to death with the amount of shit flying out his mouth.

Manny

L_K_M

Nintenboy01

Nintenboy01

Crosswayboy

I_Hate_This_Place

MasterOfPastures

Oops. yet appropriate.

lionkitten

I wonder what graphics related hardware is found inside the iPhone.

StopTheOncoming

How I love/hate you SMB.

WallaJoy- Snorlax?

Moonshadow101

comedy