yaoi-lover

Ah, but if you notice from the first picture on this entry, we not only get to poke them with our styluses (styli?) (because yegads think of all the phallic symbol penis envy connotations that may bring! D:), but we actually get to use our FINGERS to get into the rubbing mood. XD This game just seems to get better and better. *snerk*

Also, to jump on the yaoi-analysing bandwagon, I personally like it because I like more "equal" relationships - I've seen way too many shoujo manga where the girls are expected to be weak and helpless because it's supposedly more attractive to guys. I've even come across some mangaka's freetalk where she thought all girls should be "protected" by men because it makes them more feminine and beautiful... and this coming from a mangaka who often gives her female characters really strong-headed personalities. (Speaking of which, a one-shot manga I read once nearly made me tear my hair from my head because it was about a girl who was awesomely strong and did karate, but at the end she was totally touched when the guy she liked defended her from a bunch of boys who were teasing her for being boyish and declared something along the lines of, "Don't call her a tomboy! She's WEAK!" Bleagh. If a guy ever said that to me he would SO get beaten up.) Unfortunately, many BL manga end up making the ukes weak and simpering and overly girly, so the "equality" thing doesn't often come into play. *sigh*

The best explanation I've come across for the appeal of yaoi was from a blog where the author of the entry asked a Japanese girl why she liked yaoi, to which the girl replied bluntly "It's because it's the easiest available porn for us girls to get our hands on." Which is definitely something which makes sense when you consider how it's often the porniest yaoi manga with pathetic plots which are the popular ones.

(Btw, just thought I'd say that it's cool to see another Singaporean BL video game fangirl! I don't seem to come across very many of us. :D)

modorenai

And I THOUGHT the character designs looked like Nakajo Hisaya's artwork, which the trailer's now confirmed. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but the character designs look passable (for some reason I don't usually find the character designs in female dating sims to be particularly attractive. :x), although I would say the in-game images of the boys are a bit too scrawny for my liking.

modorenai

ohayou_kun

OtakuHat

That sounded more mature in my head.

ggodo

mjpm

Aethyr

I'm gonna go watch some Ghost in the Shell and cheer when Batou comes on now.

VioletArrows

Type-R

On a side note, I think 99% of the Kingdom Hearts fans out there are into this crap. I could never for the life of me figure out why a series with such a mundane and simple combat system, pretentious emo boys, and one of the worst stories ever told got to be so popular. Then I put 2+2 and came up with

Final Fantasy Cameos and Yaoi Fanboys/Girls.

aint nothing like seeing a Sora and that other guy (forgot his name, wears yellow) cosplayers make out with each other, followed by applause from the equally pathetic onlookers.

DontTouchMyDaughterYouFilthyGaijin

Violet

Erwin

Erwin

DontTouchMyDaughterYouFilthyGaijin

But I would also like to control the fighting. Ohhh, how dirty, I can make sure he gets beat up and needs me all. night. long.

LiC

cb_32

If this came out in America it would be a number 1 seller for MONTHS! All the crazy yaoi fangirls would buy it.

Sailorcancer

xanxus

Bam345

Ahaha this is too good. That female producer is my new hero. She has more balls Than anyone of you here

babbeg

Bam345

FOXHOUNDER

I get as much sex in spring in spring as I do in winter - Zilch. This lady can take her happy love making to people who still have hope. Leave me out of it.

EdwinJ85

And more power to the girls on this one. If the guys get a "witch touching" game, the girls are more than entitles to scrub down some half-naked boy toy.

PissedPS3Fan

fuchikoma

geekgrrl

I noticed in some of the comments that some people are saying that the guys in this game look unrealistic, body shape wise, to which I have to disagree... I've got a similarly "malnourished skeleton with skin stretched over" to quote pixelRambo... I know a few guys like that who are alternative-models, so its not that far fetched...

commenting on the actual game though, I can quite easily see there being a huge audience for the title, though I do have to raise an eyebrow about the playability of such a game... maybe it's just me, but I'd probably get pretty bored of rubbing sweat off women in between bouts of non-interactive fighting.... though as I type this I am feeling a bit hesitant... after all, that would be awesome.... but moving back to my point... the game just sounds a little shallow to hold a lot of attention for long...

perhaps its just my lack of a feminine mind.

exion

dgonchild

*cough*Snotacon*cough*

YUYU

cactaur

RanChan03

Though, even as I'm a straight guy, I like shows like Gravitation, and Ouran High School Host Club.

Then again, I've heard that I'm not 100% straight...

ChiltonGaines

PHILOSOPHER541

Modus_Operandi

For some reason, I feel dirty after typing that.

天

Coffee Ninja

It'd be awesome if witz was like "You are already banned."

Dear Witz, please use this phrase.

Channing

Now I wanna see a crossover between this and Fist of the North Star. So much to rub off!

MrPerson

Ajh

And they're thin because A.) muscle-bound men are not the norm, nor are they generally idealized in Japan, and B.) the age group this is directed at generally want non-threatening boys--different from girls, but not different enough to be scary. Which is pretty universal for girls of this age, not just a Japanese thing.

erlik

Are Japanese men so pussified that they'd play Rub-A-Dude with their girlfriend on the DS, instead of rubbing, you know, their girlfriend ?! Talk about worst foreplay ever...

Isn't one of the nice things about being in a couple that you have someone (as in: a living human being) to touch...?

Antiterra

There's this place. God, I forget the name. Club ZEUS? I think it was called? It had a mix of male and female (made to look like male) butlers.
I think I found it.

+ Watch video

Channing

Personally, I don't see what's wrong with liking girls who are just pretending to be guys (maybe a little butch, but so am I for that matter XD)

Anyway, yeah, obviously these two girls either created this venture, or were hired, and this arrangement means no nasty sexual harassment lawsuits (sort of, I mean, you can be harassed by your own gender).

But clearly, if you have straight-up French/Victorian maid cafes, I expect a Boy's Love cafe to similarly, have real boys -____-;;;

They don't have to be flirtatious or anything, but just having them around in a butler suits and serving tea is already nice to have as it is. Photo-taking opportunities like that would be fantastic too!

Byakko

What? Really?
Does it mean I'm gay if I like them?

>__________________________>

But I'm sure you could see how having women being your men would be a lot easier on the customers. I mean, you don't have to worry about being come on to.

Channing

awwwww yeaaaaa, sexy senior citizens ds

pandafresh

Okay, that would be totally sexy if not for the fact that those two were girls.

Seriously, they don't have adam's apples and I think they taped their chests down.

Now that's just freaky o_0 Give me real men >_< !!!

Byakko

Whoops, I didn't even see that comment.
Sorry Bashy. Forgive my infinite ignorance.

orz

Channing

aelfin

+ Watch video

B;lily rose.

I thought I had more videos about this stuff favorited but I guess I was wrong. I thougt I had a lot more videos.

Channing

Dammit, I must really be getting old! Those guys in the trailers aren't really doing anything for me >_> Except for that short guy, and that's only because he doesn't look like a freaking hanging skeleton.

Strangely enough, they look better in the 'poking' scenes...heh...

PS: Yes, I only got around to actually viewing the trailer now. Too much time writing down here XD And I've got work to do...

Byakko

EmeraldDragon

'Butler' cafe...hm...

Well, I KNOW there's a manga with the same concept already as it is, and heck, there's plenty of 'nurse' and 'french maid' cafes. I don't see why not (and prolly, there must be some already operating in Japan).

Naturally, there'd be some 'criteria' that the butlers have to meet, and honestly I don't see it being any different from a normal cafe.

Well, unless there are 'extra services' being given behind closed doors.

...

*cough* Yes well, that would be appreciated but not something I'd be expecting, naturally ^_^

Byakko

aelfin

I don't get very many chaces to pick a girl's brain. Sorry if I just keep bombarding you with these questions.

Channing

Miksho

damienchowder

But seriously, good points all around, but y'all already knew that.

Miksho

Wow, that really does sound like something only manga/anime could produce.
So, butler cafes? Yea or Nay?

Channing

When I was an exchange student in Japan, and we visited this all boys school, it was seriously like walking into an anime.

Boys in kendo uniforms in the freezing winter cold practicing archery, guys with long hair in the classes, and then those wimpier guys who have high voices that you see are picked on in anime.

It was heaven.

That, and apparently my extensive knowledge of JRPGs and Pokemon made me a favorite to talk to (me and the group of gals there really didn't have much to talk about). I got a Shonen Jump magazine out of it ^_^

Also, 108, um, sit tight for the ban hammer laddie.

Byakko

Yin

i will fuck her so hard she will never make a videogame again

and neither will i!

i'm so not kidding over here!

108

It's the rage. Also, that's seriously how Japanese guys look. Well, maybe not seriously but I've seen quite a few come into my shop that look like that.

Channing

No prob! Trust me, it helps me to re-think the whole sub-genre again, with regards to my old love of it.

I really think its the projection part that's the key thing. A romantic relationship with none of the 'mess' (i.e. pregnancy, marriage, all that). In that way, you can say teen girls are derogatory to guys XDD

Byakko

The witch-touching game was boring, and I don't have high hopes for this. It's still going on my R4(gasp!) for a try though.

Yin

As I see it now I just see some malnourished kids that probably have Brittle Bone Disease.

PixelRambo

Yes, I'm familiar with the soul of Yaoi. Yamanashi Ochinashi Iminashi. I completely understand the beginning of yaoi.
I'm just curious as to why it appeals to younger girls. (Which I assumed you were, younger as in not 40 or so.)

I guess I never understood that part about projecting yourself onto the characters. I mean, we all do it all the time. I guess being removed from the situation allows you to enjoy it in a different capacity. That being said, it's probably why a majority of male readers will never understand/enjoy yaoi.

Thanks so much for your response!

Channing

I actually replied above before seeing your latest comment. I'll try to explain the appeal of yaoi as best as I can.

In the frankest of terms, studies have shown that women apparently have a larger range of things that arouses them than men. A study was done with various sexual imagery of various...things...and it was found women practically responded to all of them.

Some biological impetus then, explains the sexual arousal from watching things like yaoi, in women like me.

Psychologically, I'm not very sure, in all honesty. A professional analyst would do better than me; but this is what I've figured from reading such discussion and my own personal reflection.

Yaoi originated from Japan, where women were oppressed by society and the roles they find themselves in. Sexually, they were also repressed of course, despite some features of Japan being equally as liberal.

It was said that in yaoi, where both partners are male, and 'equal' in every way that mattered, the woman could fantasize about romantic love. Somehow, romantic love was impossible between a man and a woman, yet it wasn't such a farflung idea that two men could truly love each other in a way their husbands didn't.

Grown, married and mature women were initially yaoi's core audience. The stories and drawings were printed in 'housewife' magazines.

In the last two decades, the demographic shifted to include young unmarried women, and teenage girls. Why, I can't really explain. There's something unreal of seeing two beautiful men together, it's so far removed from the norm that we don't think about other implications.

In a way, I think that it's a relief not to have a female in there because we automatically project ourselves into the relationship we're reading, and frankly, it scares us.

I still think yaoi is a very juvenile fixation (like yuri). I prefer to say I sometimes watch homosexual anime, and I admit that it's not really a healthy fetish. I was influenced a lot by my friends who were into anime btw, and because it was so wildly accepted amongst my female friends (I was in two female-only schools for 6 years), I never questioned why I liked it, or why it was at all.

I hope this helps you understand why women like yaoi as they do. But keep in my mind this is my own personal observation, and that I have my own reasons otherwise why I sometimes like yaoi. But it has dwindled over the years, and now that I'm 20, I really can't be bothered with it.

Byakko

I personally don't always like it. I've seen people get banned when I felt they didn't deserve it. For example, a few noobs who post "First" probably deserve a warning... But then again, maybe that warning would just fall on deaf ears.

Kuzu used the word bitch. It probably is a bit biased, because if he were to call David Jaffe any names because he's made a game that stereotyped men, people would just make fun of him and move on. But stereotypes are what they are for a reason. Him lashing out on this woman is more unacceptable than the above scenario.

StevenRafael

Wow, great response. I wish I could write responses that are very well thought out and easy to read. I mean, seriously. Wow.

And for your reason for liking the game - that's cool. I guess I just didn't understand. Girls like boys. Why wouldn't girls like to poke and scrub (hot) boys? The hat goes on the head, it seems so obvious now!

Channing

The thing is, he was purposefully derogative to the lady in his comments ironically in a chauvinistic way.

He labeled her as someone who has to improve the 'status' of women, to somehow raise the status of woman, while completely forgetting the fact he himself isn't a woman, who knows what women want or experienced what being a woman is like.

For example, he thought this game would "get young asian women all ready to enter the massage parlor business."

I'm sure we all don't see the logic in that. At all. He is completely ignorant of the 'bishounen' and male dating sim sub-genres, and to some extent the yaoi sub-genre, of which its absolute market and audience is female women and teens.

Secondly, he doesn't know what the exploitative industry in 'massage parlors' really is in Asia, which I suppose I have to commend on his moral upstanding. Basically, such massage parlors are fronts for prostitution, especially in the heartland areas (I live in Singapore, and it's a growing problem).

Here, he has the innocuous idea that the game would make girls choose that line of work just to touch men. Cute, but not particularly optimistic of the average intelligience of women, are we? At least though, the average woman is smarter than him regarding the game.

This game was primarily marketed in the same way (though less pedophiliac) as Doki Doki Shipan, except for women.

For example, I, as a woman, am totally on-board with buying this game for the simple reason that I like pretty boys, and I want to poke them with my stylus. If I get see guy-on-guy action in psuedo-yaoi context, that's a plus point for me and sells the game to me.

This is my opinion as a woman, as a fan of the bishounen art and presentation style, and of yaoi.

Byakko

I DEMAND EQUAL TOUCHING RIGHTS!
Well, actually, I don't really care.

Lemme ask, though. What do you find so appealing about this game? I mean, I've asked guys the same question about majoshinpan but I guess it's kinda obvious what they're there for.
Perhaps it's unfair for me to ignore the libido of girls/women? Hmmm, I'll have to think about this.

Channing

Brian Ashcraft

the-red-terror

I assumed he was a woman at first =P

Way to be a little TOO in touch with the oestrogen...

I honestly look forward to this game and I just hope there's enough 'game' to it XD

Byakko

Alright, I guess I can see where you're coming from. But when disrespectful things are said about other people I don't see the hammer of justice flying out of peoples' hands. Then again, perhaps I'm not around when it happens but I never see a note about it.
This time I was able to see Witz make mention of what was going to happen.

I think the only thing I'm kinda iffy about is that if you say something disrespectful about a guy nothing happens. At least, from what I've seen. I believe that women are our peers and should also be able to be critisized. Perhaps Kuzu's comment was a bit rough around the edges but I'm not sure that what he said should be a banable offense. I'm sure he could've made his comment more PC and a bit more constructive, though.
Why didn't I see hammers on they fly when we were talking about Jade? Unless there were hammers. Invisi-hammers. If that's the case, I just didn't see them.

Channing

Witzbold

Brian Ashcraft

You honestly speak lousily for women. Way to make us ALL look like we're all full of feminist bullcrap.

Remember that scene in Sex and the City where the girls were all laughing, watching a gay porno together?

Yeah, this is about the same thing. Bishounen (and any latent possibility of yaoi) is a type and sub-genre that has a lot of female fans, myself included and you're really fooling yourself kuzu if you don't admit THAT.

Honestly, I get to see guys on guys, AND get to poke them indecently with a towel. What the heck is NOT to love!

Byakko

@Witzbold:
I respect you Witz, I really do, but do you think it's necessary to go all "Hammer Time" on him?

Channing

Kotaku should have a mosaic feature on usernames when someone is banned

KaliKOtt

dhelor

When it comes down to it, how do you think she got her job? Do you think she wanted to create games which empowered women? Or do you think she wanted to make games that would get her money and let her keep her job?

Haha, after re-reading that first question, it might sound a bit naughty. I didn't intend it so.

Channing

Miksho

Captain Impulse

Witzbold

Zuiyo

Black-Dog-Howls

I'm a guy and I'm pissed off at this game on behalf of women. Might as well make a Malibu Stacey game (pre-Lisa makeover)

kuzuboshii

BenignMuffin

When you get deeper into underground pornography that's the mosaic you'll be seeing. No joke. Sometimes they'll just settle for the black band over the eyes, though. Trust me, if you dig deep enough you won't be seeing a mosaic of the ladiest of parts.

Maa, anyway, I think there should be at least on short, fat, hairy male in that game. You know, so then women might think, "Hey, I like that guy Channing!" after they're done with the game. Well,... a Channing like person anyway, I'm spoken for.
I wonder what girls think of this game. I mean, I personally wouldn't want to rub sweat off of a girl. Wait,... no, ok. I guess I would. But girl sweat is make of flowers and guy sweat is made of icky.

Channing

SenorKaffee

HamThePharoah

That said, there is not a chance in hell that I will buy this game but I do sincerely hope it does well.

Neer'mo

quen

(Well... :)

quen

Do these women just hate men men with, you know, man-ness to them? I'm of the hetero variety and I swear I have better tastes then some of these girls.

Black-Dog-Howls

What? Is a girl supposed to compete with her boyfriend to see who's better at scrubbing boys?

StevenRafael

SmilingPolitely

zztopp

Mokai

Rurik

Horsefly

.. Ill just show myself out now..

Mupp

Saimon86

I'm sure my lady office mates with DSes will like this >_<

Shijirou

joelface

Keanu

Stefanten

Saimon86

LittleBigPlaneteer

ohhello

JudgeNutmeg

Flawless101