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Far Cry 2 Trailer Is Not A Friend Of The Trees

thejakeman has died of dysentry — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:08:30 MST

@Jeremy: yeah, those dangable shotgun shell sinks.

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xbulletholes — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:04:51 MST

@Strangelove: i can't see the tree regeration being in the game, at least not at that speed.

xbulletholes

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Strangelove — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:35:25 MST

@xbulletholes:

I think the video is meant to display a specific feature of the game as well as the engine.

Strangelove

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xbulletholes — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:25:36 MST

the gamecube (or maybe wii, i forget) was shown off by having hundreds of marios running around a simple platform. did anyone assume that the next mario game would have that?
why is this any different? it's just a in-context demonstration of what the engine can do.

xbulletholes

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lucky644 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:36:29 MST

@dsmx:

A RPG game?

lucky644

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Kamizzle — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:28:49 MST

I don't know what they're trying to portray with this video, but I sure as hell don't feel the need to hang around a level for two years to watch a tree grow back it's branches.

Does this mean guards will also grow beards and go bald?

Kamizzle

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ST19AG_WGreymon — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:39:39 MST

I hope it doesn't regenerate that fast in-game.

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Bauske — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:32:45 MST

You know what bothered me most about this video? The fact that "lapse" was spelled "laps."

Bauske

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Mibu1 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:16:44 MST

@Scarleth: As I remember they were gonna make Far Cry 2 more open ended and have npc and make somewhat like gta. So if I am correct about that then I see this function gets pretty valid.

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okenny :) — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:12:28 MST

That's just freak'in cool!

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Yuki — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:08:27 MST

@Nintenjoe: You ask "why", I ask "why not". One hinders progress, the other allows.

Yuki

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Nintenjoe — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:29:22 MST

seen it before.
Viva Pinata.

oh yeah and also...why???

Nintenjoe

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King Seafoam — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:19:38 MST

@brandonf: shit man- its an engine. They developed it, it works, its cool, it doesnt HAVE to affect you, and if anything - its a new ladder for further and more impressive technology in gaming. If something so simple pisses you off, just dont get the game.

King Seafoam

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biznatch — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:57:04 MST

Man, for me, Source physics are still awesome. In CSS, there was this time I was playing on cs_assault. I knew there was a Terrorist in that upstairs area with windows. I threw a grenade through of the windows, and the guy came flying out of the other window. I nearly shouted out of joy.

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jontaru — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:15:46 MST

why wont my weed plants grow back that fast?

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SOG Cerberus — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:05:09 MST

@Vecha: You have to think though, a tree growing back within a few seconds isn't realistic either. Now I could see the branches bending where shot, and almost tearing off. Am I right?

SOG Cerberus

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MrThunderfield — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:40:30 MST

Those branches flew FAR and grew FAST. As a technology demo this is nice, but hopefully this is not the real game.

Right, so who wants to play State the Obvious next?

MrThunderfield

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tshack — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:49:49 MST

@Scarleth:

Ohhhh k then let's look past exactly what they're trying to show us. And if it ends up being the actual length for a tree or whatever to grow back then gamers are never going to notice or care. We don't want to wait a year to see a goddamn branch grow back. Don't really understand the point but whatever...if it ends up great, awesome, if not, I won't be shocked.

tshack

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:23:16 MST

@unmarkedone: Its 2 different dev houses? so I dont think they would be sharing resources such as the engine and all that eh?

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unmarkedone — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:08:01 MST

I'm assuming here that they're using a modified version of the CryEngine 2 for Far Cry 2, rather than building one from the ground up. Because that's an awful lot of work to put into something that works almost exactly like Crysis.

It's funny they're even hyping this tech though, it was awesome in Crysis but we've all seen that already. I sort of assumed it would be in Far Cry 2 as well.

unmarkedone

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:58:41 MST

@snugglecakes: Its funny how many folks missed that.

Perhaps it was the spelling error that threw them all off? ;p

Witzbold

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snugglecakes — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:42:53 MST

@Cactuar:

It says within the first three seconds of the trailer that the tree regeneration is in "timelapse" mode.

snugglecakes

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Yuki — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:36:26 MST

@Witzbold: Wow, like an extra-hardcore version of ArmA. Honestly, I would have gotten into ArmA had it not felt so "floaty". It might have just been because it has pretty harsh system requirements though.

On the topic of the original post, I love the concept and I have no idea why people are complaining about the lack of "realism". Look at the increased level of interactivity with the environment and tell me there is really a reason to complain. That is one of the strong features that Far Cry 2 has been running with: interactivity. I, for one, embrace it.

As for health regen, I never really had any issue with it. I always kind of considered it to be adrenaline kicking in and getting over the initial shock of being shot. Sure, it may not be entirely realistic since you can do it over and over without being patched up, but that is how I justify it. I never played Resistance, but the aforementioned idea of a health bar broken up into segments that allows for limited regen sounds like a not-so-bad alternative, or any system of limited regen could be an interesting move. I still have this thing against the concept of a "health bar" in general though, as I am getting more and more used to HUDs with limited to no overlay.

Yuki

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brandonf — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:38:29 MST

@xbulletholes: Bells and whistles fot the sake of bells and whistles do not a good game make. There has to be an intelligent application of trees regenerating/growing in the game or its a step in the wrong direction and tech for the sake of tech. Can is one thing, SHOULD is entirely another.

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brandonf — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:29:07 MST

@King Seafoam: There is no point to showing tree's "grow". Trees do not need to GROW. If I leave an area in a game and come back in what is supposed to be 6 months in the game, then new vegetation should just be BE there. It isn't as if it will be growing in the back ground on it's own while I'm off on a differet level in another area.

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King Seafoam — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:25:33 MST

@brandonf: tree regneration isnt just for that single tree you tore up. Trees will grow randomly throughout the land making the terrain completely different then when you last visited. At least that is what I read in the FarCry official site.

King Seafoam

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:22:40 MST

@K-Squad! (Badass Edition): Actually with Far Cry 2 the devs stated they wanted to try a bit more of a realistic approach to the series, which is why theres no more mutants and other strange shit.

We can save all the judgement in that department for when they actually release gameplay footage, instead of this tech video. ;D

Witzbold

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brandonf — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:21:51 MST

OK guys, Desert Eagle or not, there isn't a chance in hell tree limbs that thick are going to flip away like tin cans on a fence in a western. lol, totally ridiculous. I thought they were trying to impress us with "realism", this is just stupid.

Also, what is the point of tree growth? Why is it there at all? Is Far Cry 2 now in a persistent world like WOW. Are we going to be able to spend weeks in the same area to witness vegetation regrow over time? Not likely.

I'd be more impressed with trees that DON'T regenerate, bullet holes that DON'T fill themselves in, blood that STAYS pooled on the ground or spattered on walls and bodies that remain on the ground instead of vanish. To put it plainly, I think tree regeneration is stupid and out of place in this series.

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King Seafoam — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:21:38 MST

desert eagle is good- mhmm....
how a bout machine gun to tear that tree up?? >=D

King Seafoam

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K-Squad! (Badass Edition) — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:19:36 MST

Guys, it's not supposed to be realistic, crytek has the crysis franchise for that silly kind of stuff. Far Cry is supposed to be like an action movie, and since when are those realistic? *Pistol blows guy out window* ! duh !

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

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ThisCharmingMan — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:07:59 MST

The regeneration is rad, but I want to know where they got a pistol that could blow off huge branches with a single shot...looks a bit silly, no?

ThisCharmingMan

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:40:42 MST

@Tiber: Once again I really think its just a part of their engine that they are pimping. Since the engine and the game are of course intertwined so why not show off what the engine can do also, since Im guessing they dont have any solid footage from the game itself to show yet.

So might as well give folks something fun to look at while they work on the game itself.

Witzbold

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Tiber — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:16 MST

@Witzbold: I agree on the overshield thing. Maybe heal me after each "battle" rather than letting me kill one guy, run away, rinse, and repeat. The magic tree thing sounds cool too.

I kinda wonder what use it is for the game. I mean, sure, regenerating trees look cool, but you can just restore them when the person leaves the area and returns, and spend development time on more important things. There has to be some reason to include this in the game. Maybe it's a gameplay mechanic, or maybe its a bullet point on the back of the box.

Tiber

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xbulletholes — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:29:47 MST

@Vecha: ah yes, let's just scoff any development at all. forget that this may infact be an exaggerated tech. demo. you notice how the tree grew back really quickly? it'd be fair to assume that it isn't like that in the game. perhaps the destruction, at least via a pistol, is toned down too.
anyway, it seems like you're anti-progress with regards to videogames. this is a step towards full enviromental interaction, which can only be a good thing.

xbulletholes

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Splintah — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:18:54 MST

yea this isn't realistic at all. If cutting off a trees branches was that easy, all pruners would just carry around desert eagles with them...

Splintah

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:16:18 MST

@Witzbold: Regardless of developers, I think it's a safe bet that OFP2 will separate the men from the overshielders.

Hiding behind rocks. I mean *really*! :P

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:11:11 MST

@pylon_trooper: Since its not done by the same team Im not sure how good it will be.

Still will be looking foward to it since its taking place in a much more modern setting.

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:08:46 MST

@Witzbold: But hardcore did it make you feel, stalking through the forested ridges...creeping up to the tree line to spy Russian patrols moving up a distant road...

...to then start picking them off with a sniper rifle. Man, that was a classic game. I wonder how Operation Flashpoint 2 will turn out...

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freakishlight — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:02 MST

@Witzbold: Did you see this video?

[kotaku.com]

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:57:32 MST

@pylon_trooper: Ya I used to hate it when there were big open expanses with no cover what so ever. Its you either try to run all the way across and pray nothing hits you or drop flat and try to put up a pathetic attempt to fight back from where you are.

I tend to be either prone or crouching most of the time. Only sprinted in very short tiny bursts after making sure it was totally clear.

But boy could one get lost in that game, if you didnt pay careful attention to where you were going /used the map.

Witzbold

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kylenalepa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:53:02 MST

Very cool. Although, I have to wonder: am I the only one who's bothered by the misspelling of "lapse" on the opening screen? I don't want to buy the game only to have the continent I'm on be referred to in-game as "Affrikka."

kylenalepa

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:50:16 MST

@Witzbold: I remember getting nailed a good few times while making a desperate run across open terrain in Operation Flashpoint, proceeded by nothing but the huffing and puffing of my own soldier's straining lungs and the crazy waggle of my clutched rifle bobbing around.

Two shots; one puts you down, the other...well, the other's history.

I hope you're right about Farcry 2 increasing the tension.

pylon_trooper

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:33:25 MST

@dead_red_eyes: Man not you too. D: Did you not see the disclaimer before the video started? D:

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dead_red_eyes — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:31:22 MST

I hope that the trees don't grow back that quickly. Not very realistic now is it?

dead_red_eyes

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:18:49 MST

@Accordion: Yeah thats what I hear, they will be injuries and stuff. Plus weapons will jam and so forth.

Granted that was just said in a real early interview so no idea how much of it will actually make it to the game.

If they do put it in though Ill applaud the team if they can pull it off correctly.

Even if they dont, Ill still tip my hat at them for trying to do something different and will hope for another dev to "pick up the torch" and try to make it better.

Witzbold

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Mokka — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:09:26 MST

wow...what does that mean for realism?
if you play that game for a year or so you can actually see what that engine is capable of.

Mokka

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Accordion — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:04:34 MST

@Witzbold:

The regenerating health is a big issue for me as well.

I thought Resistance was on the right track, with four regenerating sectors. Uncharted is also hard enough to not let you become dependent on returning to cover, the amount of head shots i suffered in the latter half was painful.

Wont Far Cry 2 require the removal of bullets and other injuries that need fixing before continuing? A little like MGS3?

Accordion

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:57:37 MST

@Seiryuu: It costs 1.5k USD. When I save up a bit more gonna ask them about purchasing a copy of it via the dev website.

Granted its not really a "game" Im just personally interested in the technology and want to see what can be done with it first hand. Since I became even more interested in it after watching that demo movie.

I used to be a big fan of Operation Flashpoint and Armed Assault also for the same reasons.

Witzbold

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:52:40 MST

@pylon_trooper: Personally Im a bit sick of all FPSes using the overshield / "bad vision" life system. :x

I miss my lifebar and the real fear of death while wandering around with a sliver of health left instead of being able to duck behind a corner then suddenly my wounds all close up.

Then again thats just an personal irritation Ive been having reciently with FPSes in general. Granted the life displayed in terms of numbers and healing items to fix yourself up isnt any better, but it does help add a bit more tension, granted it can cause stress too on a different level with game design / mechanics.

Im just saying that in general its kinda sad to see how many devs are following that though.

So Im kinda interested to see what Farcry 2 will do, since I did hear they wanted to try to make the game a bit more realistic from their early interview.

Witzbold

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:45:40 MST

@pylon_trooper: I think they are just showing it off just as what the engine can do. Which Im sure other devs would be interested in.

Id love to have a game where you use magic and make suddenly a bunch of trees grow out of the ground and surround your enemies. Or other ideas and what not.

Witzbold

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Seiryuu — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:44:55 MST

@Witzbold: Holy shit that IS awesome.

What I wouldn't give to play that game!.

"It's not a game son, here, sign up, you will get all the realism you ever wanted".

On second thought.. maybe not.

Someone should take a page out of that, though. It does seem awesome.

Seiryuu

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:44:16 MST

@KingDavid73: You missed the vid of the guy cutting the smaller tree down with his AK.

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Morlun — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:42:32 MST

I don't need my games to be realistic, I mean, Farcry had big green mutant monsters! I don't mind when a game is not realistic, but only when there is a reason to sacrifice realism.

I can see this video showing off what the engine can do, but if that "tree regeneration" makes it in to the final game, it just seems pointless. It looks weird because it's just so unnatural, and it seems that that would detract from the point of having destructible environments in the first place.

What's the point of having everything in the game get damaged at least semi-realistically when hit by bullets, if all the damage is going to disappear in a few seconds?

Morlun

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T-roy — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:39:25 MST

Okay, I understand that the point isn't to show off the mechanics (which is what a a "physics" engine actually models), but to demonstrate the regrowth. My question is: is that actually that difficult to model? In addition to being pretty pointless, IMO, it also doesn't seem that difficult or groundbreaking.

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KingDavid73 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:34:17 MST

That's unrealistic. First, it would take years for a tree to regrow like that. Second, one pistol bullet, even from a 50 cal desert eagle wouldn't do that. I watched on myth busters they tried to shoot down a tree,tried a tommy gun, nothing, a SAW, nothing, then finally a minigun, it took a minigun like a minute to mow down a tree.

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dsmx — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:30:00 MST

I fail to see why I should be impressed by a tech demo that shows a tech that is useless in any game with implausible physics that enable 1 pistol bullet to destroy a tree then the branches fling round as if someone tied a rocket to one end.

Maybe I'm being overly harsh, but I fail to see what is useful about this tech. Can someone give a reason why a game would need this?

dsmx

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-Sigil- — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:25:49 MST

@mikecoscia: Yeah. I think.

-Sigil-

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mikecoscia — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:22:13 MST

Far Cry 2 is coming to consoles isnt?

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:17:13 MST

@Witzbold: Pretty crazy stuff, that vid. You're obviously a fellow who knows the score when it comes to NON-blip-blip-wooooooop-overshield nonsense. It's crazy the nit-picking over this Farcry 2 vid.

My main gripe, despite the idea of having a battle in the thickest of jungles and shredding all around sounding extremely fun, is that...I guess...I want to see something ELSE done with this kind of tech, instead of seeing it merely as a side-effect of playing the same old game.

pylon_trooper

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Seiryuu — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:16:46 MST

That is terrible if the trees truly regenerate in-game. Kind of takes the point out of being able to break them in the first place.

Maybe he is using depleted uranium bullets with organic regenerator nanomachines!.

I don't think people necessarily want perfect realism (I know I don't) but some things are just silly and look too stupid to add to the game. That is not some sort of stylized tree with awesome regen mechanics a la say Okami. That is just a way for the devs to not have to track which trees and enviromental pieces have been destroyed by resetting em. No different from vanishing corpses and about as annoying.

Ive always hated vanishing corpses :(. Fortunately it's gotten better of late.

Seiryuu

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Agies — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:07:28 MST

@All you bitching bitches: Jesus fucking Christ, "oh noes teh trees don hav gud pysics." It's a goddamn tree, who cares if the flying branches are accurately modeled? It's a very minor thing. Shit shot all arround the room in Oblivion and that didn't seem to take away from the game as a whole. There's a limit to what you can do. I for one don't want the game to slow down in the middle of a fire-fight because someone shot a tree and the engine has to mass the branch and perform some extra physics calculations. Why don't we calculate the bullet's deflection and compensate for gravity and the curvature of the earth too? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun, who cares if some of it is a little silly?

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:05:40 MST

@pylon_trooper: The ultimate. (except for damage modelling, everything else is excellent)

[video.google.com]

Really though, Im just stating that most folks have no idea how shitty "realism" would be in games if we had it. Not to mention just what is "realism"?

Witzbold

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BenignMuffin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:03:24 MST

Do hacked off limbs act similarly?

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:02:51 MST

@Han Daimond: The demo wasnt made to display proper physics.

Sides Im pretty sure the reason why they are flying that way is basically that small example I gave in my other comment.

Though Id really like to hear from a programmer once again the "truth" behind why they would fly like that, since Im not a coder, but its just going off of knowledge gained from when I used to speak to coders during work and what not.

Id assume too that the branches dont exactly have their own "mass" set to them either. But it is odd how some branches just broke and fell while others flipped off.

Witzbold

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:00:58 MST

@Witzbold: Well, the Operation Flashpoint / ArmA games aren't for everyone. Closer to the real thing, I guess.

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Han Daimond — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:57:06 MST

@Witzbold: Yeah, I know. This is the part when I must say something like "Whooo! What kind of advanced technology do they have to make a tree to regenerate?! ZOMG! Do want!" but hey, if it were just a mere demo, why in the hell the branches have so unrealistic physics? Just look at the spinning branches, lol!
Yeah, cool regeneration effect, but the physics are so...

Is like showing a new milk product... while jerking off.

Han Daimond

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Bando — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:54:57 MST

@Witzbold:

"I still dont see why so many devs are so hard up on that gun. :x"

Cause it's an auto pistol that can chamber a .50 cal "magnum" load :p plus it's kinda shiny, gotta acknowledge the shiny. Not really a fan of it myself, surprised we haven't seen something like Smith & Wesson's 500 making the rounds in any shooters, it's not like it was just born yesterday, it's big, shiny, .50 cal, hella more powerful then then then DE even with it's lighter factory loads, game devs hate revolvers :/

I wonder if we beg enough, they'd include an old colt peacemaker in Vegas 2, single action FOR THE YEE HAW! DLC maybe :D

Bando

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:53:58 MST

Trust me folks you wouldnt like games (well ones involving guns anyways) if they were "realistic".

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NateN — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:52:06 MST

On Realism: Video games aren't realistic. Normally when people get shot they can't just keep running around after the fact like nothing happened. Hiding behind a rock and counting to 10 doesn't magically heal you, nor will touching a medkit fix your broken leg. When people get shot they don't go flying through the air like they were hit by a car either, and if they DID Newton would like to have a word with the shooter. Since most video games follow the "Action Movie" school of realism I guess I just don't see the problem with the branches flying off like that.

On the demo: The trees regrowing is cool, but I guess I just don't quite get why you'd want that right now, even at a slow speed. I can see it being useful if you want to keep a look for a certain place (i.e. keep a forest thickly forested), but I guess I'd have to see what they are actually going to do with the tech before I make a decision on it.

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rkr215 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:49:06 MST

I guess the whole tree regen gimmick is neat if it were procedurally generated. Also, why couple this regen feature with perhaps the worst physics ever? Please license Lucasarts' DMM.

rkr215

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:45:42 MST

All you folks complaining totally missed the point of the video. Seriously.

Its real sad that you people cant appreciate advances in technology in relation to gaming.

Witzbold

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Ozeki — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:43:59 MST

I don't know what they're trying to achieve here. That just seems to be such an useless feature. How is this affecting gameplay?

Ozeki

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:42:32 MST

@0xdeadc0de: Haha, and thats why Crysis PLAYS as if it were FarCry two.

After playing Crysis and seeing how much it feels like I'm playing Farcry ... I strongly suspect that Crytek was working on Far Cry 2 but had to change the title/story halfway through development.

Seriously though, Crysis is soo much like a sequel to Farcry ...
Superhuman 'feral' powers became superhuman 'robot suit' powers.
Mercinaries became Koreans.
And
Trigens became Aliens.

Its as if sombody said ...
"Hell I already made the whole damn island where else do they have tropical islands?"
... and they ended up in South Asia.

brent_w

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Grind_Axis — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:42:16 MST

It doesn't look realistic at all. How can you shoot off a branch with a simple gun, and with a clear cut! Just give me the good old indestructible trees and focus on gameplay.

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:39:43 MST

@Han Daimond: They didnt state it was suposed to be realistic, so I dont see where you and the others are going off about how "Its not realistic".

Its your own fault that its not meeting standards you percieved it should display in the video.

Witzbold

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LexLuthor — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:39:02 MST

Seems pretty dumb. A branch wouldnt spin off like that if t got shot be a pistol. Plus what were they thinking with the regrowth (its like, we made something kind of cool.. now how can we ruin it by making it more unrealistic than it already is.)

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Zenshai — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:38:15 MST

Unless its really going to grow back this fast, its completely unnecessary. What was wrong with the way games did it before: You leave the area and unload the destroyed tree's textures, should you come back they reload with the tree in its original state. I mean what good is a very slowly regenerating tree unless you stand there and watch it (which is retarded).

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Han Daimond — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:34:14 MST

Not realistic at all.

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0xdeadc0de — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:28:50 MST

@Benjo: Can't you inform yourself that Far Cry 2 isn't from Crytek before posting? :) Ubisoft had the Far Cry copyrights, that's why Crysis isn't named Far Cry 2

0xdeadc0de

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P-Sheddy — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:25:47 MST

I guess I was a few posts too late, sorry brent_w, lol.

P-Sheddy

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:23:48 MST

@brent_w: no no I mean you catching the mispelling in the video itself.

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Benjo — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:22:11 MST

Can't Crytek do something better with their time like, I don't know, create a better game?

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P-Sheddy — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:21:36 MST

Is this a video straight from the game makers? Because time-lapse is SO spelled wrong, lol.

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:21:27 MST

@brent_w: It must see that shit daily and got used to it lol.

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With the branches flying and such I assume they flip like that due to the programmed force of the bullets impact point being applied to breaking point of the branch itself.

Its just a guess, and would appreciate it if a real programmer with actual knowledge with game physics could come out and help qualm the many "angry" voices over this. ;D

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:20:52 MST

@Witzbold: you mean the spalling thing?

*sigh* thats Irony for ya ...

brent_w

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:17:23 MST

@tei: Captian Planet would like to have a word with you.

@brent_w: Btw good call on the spelling thing lol.

Yeah cept did the devs actually announce that they are going to use this tech? Asides from this video of theirs?
I should go check the website and see if theres any info on it.

Witzbold

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Flawless101 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:16:42 MST

Rubber trees? :G

Flawless101

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:14:02 MST

@Witzbold: I love how the chicken just casualy strolls in front of the firing gun.

brent_w

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Superuser — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:13:39 MST

@jayntampa:
That was one funny misunderstanding XD

Superuser

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Zim — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:13:36 MST

It is depressing how many people have complained that the branches grow back too quickly -_-

Was that tiny piece of text at the beginning too much to read?

I think it looks cool, although slightly silly how easy the branches break. However I prefer OTT destruction to games of old where everything is indestructable. I love destructable environments. I seriously seriously hope gears 2 has them. Would be great to boomshot away a pillar someone was behind.

Zim

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:11:57 MST

@Witzbold: Knowing Farcry's storyline ... some mad scientist probably put somthing in the water.

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unicronband — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:11:14 MST

Meh. This is kind of cool, but I was far more impressed with the Star Wars Force Unleashed tech demo. Now there's some destructible environments I can sink my teeth into. Hopefully that technology becomes as widely adopted as Havok's physics engine has.

unicronband

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Tei — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:11:05 MST

Finnnaly!, a game to express my hate for nature!

Tei

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:10:34 MST

@Zaxxon Q Blaque: I guess we are going to have to wait and see if they really are going to use this technology within the game itself.

Witzbold

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:10:23 MST

Oh, and whoever made the video apparently can't spall "time-lapse"

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brent_w — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:45 MST

@excel_excel: Crysis is farcry.

brent_w

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jayntampa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:25 MST

@Superuser: lol no, I meant, he literally wields the ban hammer ... so, he's used to weapons :D I didn't mean you deserved it.

jayntampa

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kyosuke9999 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:08:01 MST

@Vecha: Whatever dude. One day I was landscaping and my shrub cutter thing wasn't working, so I was like "fuck that shit" and pulled out my glock. I sculpted a statue of david out of my shrubs and trimmed all the branches hanging over my house using only 465 bullets.

kyosuke9999

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:07:21 MST

Now lets see farcry 2 technology taken into real life!

Minus the tree regrowth.

Witzbold

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ShaggE — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:04:59 MST

@Vecha: Yeah, and damn that Shigeru guy for pitting plumbers against lizard-men. I mean, that's not realistic at all! Lizards LOVE plumbers!

And my god, did you hear that Mass Effect has ALIENS in it? Uncool, man. It really chaps my ass that BioWare takes realism as a joke.

Don't even get me started on that Street Fighter thing... "shoryuken" indeed.

ShaggE

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Zaxxon Q Blaque — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:04:58 MST

I'd rather have the limbs stay off. Imagine being able to track your way through a dense jungle by marking trees.

Zaxxon Q Blaque

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:04:29 MST

I do hope structures and such will be destructable too. Oh man if so Farcry 2 will be the best game ever. Granted if ones PC can run it. ;D

Its nice to know that the devs are stepping away from all that mutant bioweapon shit too in the 2nd one lol.

I demand more hang glider action though!

Witzbold

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Agies — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:00:34 MST

@Shin-Kaiser: It's an open world game, you'll pass through the same areas over and over again so it'd be nice for the flora you mowed down in the first minute to regenerate.

Agies

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:59:15 MST

One thing I worry about is with all the pieces of stuff breaking and flying about what kind of PCs we will need to play the game. Then imagine the meltdown that will occur when you launch multiple explosives into the forest. :x

Witzbold

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Superuser — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:58:39 MST

@jayntampa:
My comment doesn't includes any criticism, so no need for the banhammer... i'm just curious!

Superuser

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ShaggE — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:58:02 MST

@gamadaya: Except for the fact that this is the Dunia engine, you'd be correct.

Also, I sincerely hope regeneration of tree limbs takes much, MUCH longer in real time. There's no satisfaction in destructable terrain if it just pops right back up again.

ShaggE

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:57:46 MST

@Tiber: Indeed. Nothing made me smile more than kicking a perp and watching him fly like a football through a field goal. :D

Back to the DE its most likely the .50 AE version since nobody knows about the smaller .440 Cor-bon rounds in the dev community lol.

I still dont see why so many devs are so hard up on that gun. :x

I want to see what happens to the tree when a grenade launcher hits it! :D Kind curious if you can totally knock the tree down at the base of the trunk thats why.

Witzbold

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Agies — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:56:14 MST

@Superuser: Or a gun otaku...

Agies

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Shin-Kaiser — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:55:51 MST

@Vecha: I agree, what was the point of putting this aspect in the game?

Shin-Kaiser

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:55:34 MST

I just watched the vid again and still its really cool though how the tree does grow back. I wonder what else they can use this technology for.

Like someone else said it would be real cool for a god game lol.

Witzbold

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pylon_trooper — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:53:41 MST

Ah, watching amazing technology at play. And in the most simplistic of interactions.

We don't climb that tree. No, no, no. We shoot it.

I'm no hippie, but damn...there must be some in-built fascination with empowerment through gunplay. When is this concept going to go beyond pointing-and-shooting?!

...*sigh*

Looks good.

pylon_trooper

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Tiber — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:53:33 MST

It's just an exaggeration for demo purposes, but it would be cool do have a game where people you shoot go flying like that. Crackdown 2 maybe?

Tiber

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vhailior — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:52:53 MST

If its not obvious by now, its a proof of concept demo as opposed to "this is what the games is about, you stand and shoot trees" trailer.

Thanks for playing.

vhailior

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CockroachMan — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:52:13 MST

And like Crysis, you need a 10,000 dollars computer to run it at 30fps.. using low settings of course..

CockroachMan

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jayntampa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:49:24 MST

@Superuser: He's used to heavy weaponry. He wields the Ban Hammer.

jayntampa

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Superuser — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:47:13 MST

@Witzbold:
"Well that pistol of his is either the .440 Cor-bon or the .50 AE version of the Desert Eagle.

I kinda would have expected the hand to jump a bit more firing that gun."

Um, what is your job? This sounds like something one hitman would say to another...

Superuser

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Malmer — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:46:23 MST

I wonder if throwing a rock at tree will cut it clean in half too.

Maybe the branches are made of polystyrene, seeing how they fall to the ground.

No real trees were harmed during these shootouts.

Malmer

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:45:49 MST

@Yanko: At the start of the video it states that the regeneration is sped up.

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Jackablade — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:45:40 MST

One of the developers mentions in another demonstration video that the tree-regrowth deally isn't going to be used in the game, its just a nifty function of the Speed Tree implementation in their engine.
Unless they have some sort of time travelling effect, I can't imagine how it'd really be of any great use.

Jackablade

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gamadaya — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:44:40 MST

That Cryengine 2 is a fucking monster.

gamadaya

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wicko — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:43:55 MST

@Cactuar: It was accelerated to demonstrate the feature. Just like the night/day cycle video was, and the video that showed their storm feature.

wicko

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Scarleth — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:42:55 MST

Lets just ignore the fact that a small handgun can't do this damage to a tree and a tree wont grow that fast, look past that and at the concept itself.

Scarleth

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egyptomix — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:42:19 MST

That was the most random demo I've ever seen.

Seriously, out of the blue.

egyptomix

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Vecha — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:40:58 MST

@Yanko:

Yes. Yes it is.

I guess it's about as amazing as rag doll physics.

Vecha

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excel_excel — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:39:56 MST

@Jakuub: BAM! take that forge!

excel_excel

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Yanko — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:39:50 MST

Impressive indeed !

But the small bullet blade-cutting big branches, popping up in the air like Kriss-Kross, and the monstruously fast-regenerating tree... isn't it all a bit ridiculous ?

Yanko

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Jakuub — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:39:11 MST

Newest Far Cry 2 multiplayer play mode - landscaping competitions.

Jakuub

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:37:42 MST

Well that pistol of his is either the .440 Cor-bon or the .50 AE version of the Desert Eagle.

I kinda would have expected the hand to jump a bit more firing that gun.

Witzbold

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Sean2-D2 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:37:04 MST

I think it would be amusing to see some environmental activist going after this game like Jack Trenton does GTA.

"It's devaluing our children! What if some kids don't KNOW trees can't regenerate that quickly. Maybe he'll one day be the CEO of a company that wipes out an entire rain forest because he thinks if they really wanted it back it would 'just regenerate!'"

Sean2-D2

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Scarleth — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:36:07 MST

I really just wonder the use for this, it could be usefull for some God games, where simulated months take the matter of minutes, but have you ever been in a FPS where you spend more than a few months in front of the same tree not moving at all ?

Could be neat for multiplayer, allowing collateral damage to the environment that dosen't have to last as long as the map does.

Scarleth

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Jeremy — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:35:45 MST

It would be cooler on monsters.

The regenerator monster in RE4 was by far the highlight of the game for me. One of the highlights of gaming in general imho.

Jeremy

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dreamer3kx — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:34:19 MST

@Vecha:

I think that was a desert Eagle,if so it can definitely blow off branches like that.

dreamer3kx

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Witzbold — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:34:03 MST

That was totally awesome.

I think the purpose of this video was to show the damage + regeneration and not exactly the uber realistic physics.

Sides we are gonna be shooting at people a lot more than trees so its not like we will really care how the tree branches go breaking off when we are cutting through them to get at our targets. ;D

Witzbold

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Asbestos_Underwear — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:33:19 MST

No matter how difficult it was to program, the looks are just ridiculous. Behold, the handgun of doom.

Asbestos_Underwear

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-Sigil- — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:30:57 MST

@Vecha: I agree, I hate it when everyone loves these crappy physics that aren't realistic. It's nice to see things being made more destructible but it's not being done very well.

-Sigil-

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rubberfishy — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:30:53 MST

take that you tree!

rubberfishy

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LX — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:30:45 MST

I definitely prefer the crysis route where it takes more than one shot and the branches don't go flying into the air...or grow back

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Hermith — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:30:24 MST

Hm.. It's funny how that gun obviously shoot .50 explosive rounds.

Hermith

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thaKingRocka — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:29:57 MST

why didn't they make the branches splinter, then kind of fall? i don't see how a pistol would make a branch do acrobatic flips in two shots. not that i've ever fired a pistol at a tree's limbs before, but this just seems an odd result to me.

thaKingRocka

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Cactuar — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:29:13 MST

wonder how much time passed between the player reloading the fun and the regeneration starting.
but kinda silly how fast it grew back. since it appeared to not be fast forwarded.

Cactuar

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Waka in Japan — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:26:36 MST

i like how games are getting more and more realistic........

Waka in Japan

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Vecha — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:26:32 MST

The point?

A gun doesn't shoot off branches like that....

So is this just "neat"? Because it sure as hell isn't realistic.

Vecha

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Atrocity — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:26:18 MST

That is some crazy impressive technology. I wonder if you burn everything if it grows back....

Atrocity

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Krackatoa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:24:38 MST

So THAT'S where I left all my toxic waste...

Krackatoa

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excel_excel — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:24:20 MST

Amazing! Crysis has a competitor!

excel_excel