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Liveblogging Sakurai's Super Smash Bros. Brawl Design Talk

Huckleberry — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:40:34 MST

He didn't talk about Ike, and he didn't talk about Palutena (to answer the questions above).

He focused mostly on Pit, Snake, and Sonic. He did use Fox as an example for how he times each move, and also Mario and Link for his examples of defining colors and textures.

Huckleberry

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KM91 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:45:00 MST

More of this Viewtiful Joe and Megaman nonsense? Get over it already.

KM91

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Lezard — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:01:31 MST

I'm glad that Sakurai talked about the process of getting the characters to fit together and particularly how Pit was updated. Seeing the way that Pit and Palutena were updated is in my mind one of the more fanboyish delights I've gotten from Brawl.

Speaking of which, when they discussed the process of evolving Pit's look, did they talk about Palutena at all, as well? Looking at a picture of her pose during Pit's Final Smash and the image of her from the old NES Kid Icarus manual, it's interesting to see what changed and what remained relatively the same.

Seeing the way that the characters were redesigned also only makes me crave a brand new Kid Icarus game even more. I guess I can always hope that Nintendo might grant that wish. After all, it was partially because of Smash Bros. Melee that we finally got to play Fire Emblem games in English.

Lezard

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John H. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:41:27 MST

Here's a question: Whatever happened to special bonuses?

John H.

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ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:58:29 MST

yeah, I hear ya guys. I would've liked more diverse FSs too, but it's a lot better than full clones, anyway.

ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots

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Coldbrand — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:53:09 MST

Yeah, cause' Three Land Masters definitely stand out. Star Wolf is so unique.

Coldbrand

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Danjaranja — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:14:10 MST

@ZinkO: The Game (the kind you just lost):

Zink I think it may have to do with them all having similar Final Smashes. (True each landmaster excels at one thing or another but people were probably hoping for something all together different.)

Something like calling in a airstrike for wolf. Falco can do the same but to make it different Slippy will call in and say he got shot down..... Bluemarine falls from the sky and blows up. Falco starts to wonder why he's FLYING the blue marine then remembers it's slippy.

Same goes for Toon Link. I was expecting an enhanced spin attack. Or even better, some sort of Windwaker Tornado technique that would blow them off the stage.... or for nostalgia put in those tornadoes from N64 Smash Hyrule stage.

Danjaranja

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:42:38 MST

@Polygon: They do, but only in aggregate. Also, they probably don't read Kotaku comments.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:41:45 MST

I goofed, yeah, it's Plusle/Minun not Pichu :(
But anyway, Dorf isn't all CF, although I would've liked a new moveset (NOT SWORD, there's too many swordies already lolz).
also, wolf/fox/falco ARE NOT CLONES. can we settle that finally?

ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots

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Polygon — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:31:58 MST

@teh_joe (Little Man being Erased): Of course, but keep in mind.
Nintendo doesn't care about what you want.

Polygon

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Polygon — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:30:36 MST

@ZinkO: The Game (the kind you just lost): Pichu wasn't. Plusle and Minun were, however.

Please ask why the clones weren't fixed, necessarily. Ganondorf is still like Captain Falcon. Why doesn't he use a sword-based moveset like from Twilight Princess? Why doesn't Toon Link have a Wind Waker exclusive moveset to differentiate him from Link?

Polygon

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Polygon — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:29:07 MST

Please, please ask him why some of the characters are so similar, and that he didn't necessarily edit the clones. Ganondorf for example, is still like Captain Falcon. Why doesn't he have a sword moveset from Twilight Princess? Or why Toon Link doesn't use Wind Waker exclusive moves to differentiate him from Link?

Polygon

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Polygon — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:22:40 MST

"Characters were chosen based on their individuality, saying they must stand out in the game. They had to consider developments costs and the time needed to include someone in the roster."

Are you kidding me?

Individuality?

Since when is three StarFox clonies with Landmasters individuality?

Polygon

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ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:59:36 MST

@Danjaranja:
disproved in the IGN interview, good try though. maybe tell them Roy, Doc, Pichu, etc are actually on the disc, just unfinished? (this is actually true)

ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots

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ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:57:42 MST

@zdude255:
wolf plays nothing at all like Fox, they're totally different.

ZinkO: Balls of the Patriots

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Danjaranja — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:02:04 MST

Create rumor time?

Downloadable Character installments....

*hides from the rediciousness that is to follow*

Danjaranja

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zdude255 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:01:14 MST

BRAWL SPOILERS

Sigh, he talks about not allowing conflicting cartoony styles but then has "TOON LINK" right in there...

Choosing characters based on individuality kinda goes against Wolf too, he's so similar to Fox that this really looks like a "we need to put someone else in quickly" decision rather than one based on individuality.

Don't get me wrong, I am really happy with the great diverse cast as a whole, but some of the final hidden characters that everyone was waiting until launch to find out about are just disappointing.

zdude255

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Strivos — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:25:07 MST

@Machzy: Really? Ephraim would have been a kick ass substitute. Lances are awesome

Strivos

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djbrandon — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:15:11 MST

interesting read, thanks!

djbrandon

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Infil — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:53:08 MST

@kevvlosophy: Because if you've played Brawl, you'd see that each of these characters stands out from the others.

Infil

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AnotherGamer — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:28 MST

"We've also been promised exclusive, confidential information about Super Smash Bros. Brawl" Where is this information????!?!?!?!?11

AnotherGamer

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Sandbox_Emperor — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:27 MST

where's that "exclusive, confidential information"?

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any, considering we already know pretty much everything about the game

Sandbox_Emperor

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acez2087 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:41:30 MST

Come on, come on...Just a few more weeks until I commence the "B.H.I.P" Brawl Hibernation Isolation Period.

acez2087

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Machzy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:33:58 MST

@Strivos: Yeah, sure....he said that Ike is only in there because he was in the new Fire Emblem game, but they really wanted to put Ephraim instead.

Machzy

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TWEEDLEDEEZNUTZ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:33:53 MST

@Dunnell: I don't have a problem playing as Yoshi...

TWEEDLEDEEZNUTZ

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TWEEDLEDEEZNUTZ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:33:27 MST

He didn't say anything new and exciting :(

TWEEDLEDEEZNUTZ

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Dunnell — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:29:41 MST

"In the beginning, Sakurai says that he based the move sets on what he'd like to see in Brawl. "Just thinking up moves is easy" but balance is required."

Where is that balanced he promised...I'm playing yoshi right now and I can't see it.

Dunnell

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Strivos — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:28:34 MST

Sorry about double post...damn Internet connection

Strivos

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P-Sheddy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:28:20 MST

@neednorespect: Hey hey hey.. He's in fine shape for a dying aging long time smoker. Brawl represents his prime too!

I mean come on.. he's not too fat for cardboard boxes now is he?

P-Sheddy

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Strivos — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:28:06 MST

Just for some clarification, what did he say about Ike? Like did he briefly go over him or actually give like a history, why they made him the way he is, why the chose him etc...

Strivos

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Enkur — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:27:58 MST

@Hoboman725: Can it be Kotaku Stalku time now?

Can't say that was as informational as I thought it would be, but hell, I'll take anything I can get while there's barely over two weeks left to release. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some more SSE to spoil for myself.

Enkur

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Strivos — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:25:30 MST

For some clarification, what did he say about Ike? Did he just briefly go over him or go in-depth (history, moves, why they chose him)?

Strivos

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Irenicus-the one and only — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:18:28 MST

@neednorespect: definitely a contender. I have to wait until June to play it though :(

Irenicus-the one and only

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Hoboman725 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:16:28 MST

@Random1512: oh, I must have read it wrong, I envisioned Mcwhertor chasing Sakurai through a back alley to get some more answers.

Hoboman725

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teh_joe — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:08:01 MST

pardon me while i get off Brawl topic.

I really hope Nintendo puts out another Kid Icarus game. Whats it been, like two decades since the first one? Plus i loved of Myths and Monsters on GameBoy. A Classic. With this new coat of paint on Pit it's time to bring him back and onto the Wii.

teh_joe

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dalvatron — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:02:17 MST

@frank0127: I refuse to go bonkers yet! :D

dalvatron

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frank0127 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:48:42 MST

@dalvatron: oh come now. paying for "relaxed" online features? and unused VoiP capabilites with the Wii? easiest guess in the world.

frank0127

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Random1512 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:46:58 MST

@Hoboman725: There was no Q&A, all he was offering was clarification of anything he might have skimmed by trying to keep up with the flow.

Random1512

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skrame ☆ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:43:12 MST

I must have the best refresh key ever. I hit apple + r and the commenter names get a background color. Thanks Kotaku; it looks a lot better than it did earlier today.

skrame ☆

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kevvlosophy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:40:08 MST

"Characters were chosen based on their individuality, saying they must stand out in the game."
then why are fox, falco, and wolf in the game?

kevvlosophy

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neednorespect — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:37:36 MST

@P-Sheddy: Snake is a fatty

neednorespect

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metadae — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:37:15 MST

I wish they would have let people record the presentation. I wanted to hear Sakurai sing!

metadae

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Hoboman725 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:36:05 MST

ask about characters who were conceived/possibly worked on but were cut and for info on the why behind it. please!

Hoboman725

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CHU BOI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:34:32 MST

@Machzy: True. The Home idea is cool but I'm not a fan of Second Life-like experiences. Me, and my friends, are pretty impatient and just wanna get a game going (imagine how we feel with CoD4 party up issues) then peace out when its all over. We don't spend time creating stuff and have barely even touched Forge. I know Home is directed more towards the non-gaming crowd, but I want to see if they have a feature that would convince me to spend more than 15 mins in it.

Brawl might have the only user created content that I'll spend time on. I wanna recreate maps from Smash64!

CHU BOI

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P-Sheddy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:23:16 MST

Woah woah woah.. did he just call Snake a fatty?

P-Sheddy

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dalvatron — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:20:08 MST

@frank0127: I wasn't being serious about the voice chat service. Much like how someone mentioned Megaman's inclusion being talked about too much, I thought people complaining about lack of voice chat was excessive.
Until specifics about Pay & Play are revealed, no sense going bonkers about that, either.
Anyway! Live blog is awesome! I love reading how Sakurai came up with demonstrating the individual character's moves/poses. :)

dalvatron

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xpnet — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:19:58 MST

I would like some one to bring up Dark Deity link and why that wasn't a Toon Link transformation! Haha.. No really!

xpnet

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Machzy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:16:42 MST

@CHU BOI: I like how they're keepin' sucha low profile on Home. I just want them to work on it and not talk about how they are working on it.

Machzy

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Bernard McGraw — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:12:01 MST

@CHU BOI: Your fault.

Bernard McGraw

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CHU BOI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:10:16 MST

@PapaBear434: Idk, I dont think they're having a big one since it ends today. That's kinda sketchy really cuz I was expecting to hear more about Home and LittleBigPlanet at GDC.

CHU BOI

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frank0127 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:09:42 MST

@dalvatron: Wii Pay & Play. read that article.

frank0127

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chacho — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:08:42 MST

@PapaBear434:
sony doesnt have a conference this year

chacho

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PapaBear434 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:07:45 MST

I love these live-bloggings. When is the Sony conference, or did that already happen?

PapaBear434

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Boolean — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:07:15 MST

"Sakuari says they gave Pit furry boots for a bit of a leg-warmer look. 'We think they look pretty cute.' "

I don't think I need to say anything. I mean, honestly.

Boolean

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CHU BOI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:05:53 MST

@Cchrist: you thought that was good?

Kill Bill's still my fav movie of all time.

CHU BOI

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Machzy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:03:18 MST

@magic_envelope: Yeah man.

Machzy

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magic_envelope — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:01:43 MST

@Kotaku Chat ( Irc.synirc.com #kotaku):

so, to clarify, he was just giving insomniac

'a fiery iron spiked boot kick to the balls'?

magic_envelope

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Cchrist — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:01:12 MST

@CHU BOI:

*plays video over and over and over again* :D

Cchrist

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Boolean — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:32 MST

@CHU BOI: Viewtiful Joe in Brawl would have been epic. I mean, the moves are already there.

Boolean

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dalvatron — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:00 MST

"What's the deal about no online voice chatting waa waa waa!?"

Oh, and Megaman. ;)

dalvatron

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Kotaku Chat ( Irc.synirc.com #kotaku) — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:57:37 MST

@magic_envelope: A slap is a little to weak to what Miyamoto said. It's like a kick to the balls with an iron spike boot... on fire!

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Machzy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:57:15 MST

I know F5 refreshes, but is there a way to make this page refresh using a timed interval? Like every 2 minutes?

Machzy

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Kotaku Chat ( Irc.synirc.com #kotaku) — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:46 MST

@Machzy: f5!!!
@neednorespect:
no... but maybe

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magic_envelope — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:44 MST

@yowoe: i think he was just giving insomniac a bitch-slap...

why isn't master chief in the game? chief vs samus would have been uber cool....

magic_envelope

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huginn — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:55:32 MST

@CHU BOI: Viewtiful would fit right along side perfectly into the style of this game.

But yes, please do not start one of those threads.. I've cried about the megaman ones enough

huginn

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Machzy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:54:46 MST

I have firefox....how do you auto-refresh?

Machzy

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yowoe — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:54:26 MST

I don't think these guys play western games in general. Miyamoto especially, as he didn't even know what R&C was.

yowoe

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neednorespect — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:53:00 MST

GOTY!!????

neednorespect

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RJdog — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:51:55 MST

Ask why the portal companion cube isn't included? xD

RJdog

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CHU BOI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:51:51 MST

*Looks over left shoulder and gives Cchrist an evil look*

Lol. Now Viewtiful Joe in Brawl...no I promised myself not to make this one of those threads. Man, Brawl Leak Day was epic, huh?

CHU BOI

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DaiMacculate — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:51:39 MST

Apple-R to refresh for us crazy Mac users :-)

DaiMacculate

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stryker1800 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:51:34 MST

@NaryaMithrandir: firefox has an add on for it dont know about any other browser.

stryker1800

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NaryaMithrandir — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:49:50 MST

How does one auto refresh?

NaryaMithrandir

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Casemarqui — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:49:43 MST

cant wait

Casemarqui

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aaa — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:47:52 MST

POSTMORTEM? SSBB is dead and I didn't even get to play it!

aaa

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haracas — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:47:01 MST

spamming F5 atm...

haracas

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amost — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:46:55 MST

this should be good

amost

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Cchrist — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:46:48 MST

@CHU BOI: Megaman!

Cchrist

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CHU BOI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:45:44 MST

I dare someone to mention Megaman in this thread....

Please don't. Come on. It's getting annoying now.

CHU BOI

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stryker1800 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:45:23 MST

@EightBit: gotta love the auto refresh

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EightBit — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:44:16 MST

Sweet

*prepares auto-refresh

EightBit